Okay, nobody smack me...

Date: Tue, Mar 12, 2002 12:13 AM

From: "Alliekatt" <alleykatzen@hotmail.com>

...for being somewhat of a comics luddite up until now. I mean, I've read
Sandman and all, and love it, but since I have the flu this week I curled up
in bed and read the Watchmen series for the first time.

Holy shit, is that a good book. No wonder Terry Gilliam wanted to make a
movie out of it. I just might read it again.

Rorshach RULES.

alliekatt
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI)

Gilliam wanted to do Watchmen? You can't be serious.
That would have been fucking awesome.
But I must say that the world is not ready for it.
Not by a long shot.

I hear he's doing Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett now.

-APLY
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From: xenu <noway@not.com>

SMACK!!

someone had to do it.

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He's an obese Jewish master criminal who hides his scarred face behind a mask.
She's a provocative tomboy Hell's Angel from a secret island of warrior women.
They fight crime!
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
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I've been looking for a savior
In these dirty streets.
Looking for a savior beneath these dirty sheets.
I've been raising up my hands,
Drive another nail in!
Got enough guilt to start my own religion.

--Tori Amos, "Crucify," from Little Earthquakes
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

> Holy shit, is that a good book. No wonder Terry Gilliam wanted to make a
> movie out of it. I just might read it again.

Be glad he didn't, at least not the script that was being considered,
by Sam Hamm. I read it. It was Pinked up to the max and the ending was
completely changed to be happy.

The fact that they thought they needed a script beyond the graphic
novel was the worst sign. Hell, the damn movie's already storyboarded
perfectly. (One would have to drop the pirate comics subplot.) Should
be a miniseries anyway.

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From: "Alliekatt" <alleykatzen@hotmail.com>

"Anti Pope Lupus of SI" <lyonderboy666@hotmail.com> wrote...

> Gilliam wanted to do Watchmen? You can't be serious.
> That would have been fucking awesome.
> But I must say that the world is not ready for it.
> Not by a long shot.

I agree, also the events in the story surrounding NYC and Afghanistan will
hit too close to home. But the prophetic tie-ins now are quite, shall we
say, disturbing, for something written in 1985.

I bought a book two days ago on Terry Gilliam, and funny enough, there was a
section on movies that he got scripts for and wanted to do, and couldn't for
one reason or another. The first was Gormenghast, (Sting had bought the
script to that with the intention of playing Steerpike), and the other was
Watchmen.

> I hear he's doing Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett now.

SHIT YEAH! Aw man, I can't wait to see how he treats Famine. I hope he can
do good things with the story, but knowing Gaiman's and Gilliam's similarity
in humor that shouldn't be a problem.

alliekatt
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From: "Paul E. Jamison" <pauljmsn@infi.net>

> > I hear he's doing Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett now.
>
> SHIT YEAH! Aw man, I can't wait to see how he treats Famine. I hope he can
> do good things with the story, but knowing Gaiman's and Gilliam's similarity
> in humor that shouldn't be a problem.

As a Pratchett fan, I would *love* to see Gilliam pull this one off. If he
can do a decent Death without relying on either Christopher Lee or
James Earl Jones for the voice, I'll be deeply impressed.

Pratchett needs a good movie adaptation. When I read what the
Hollywood producer glorp said about the proposed "Mort" script, I
didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Paul E. Jamison

"There's more pressure on a vet to get it right.
People say 'It was God's will' when Granny dies,
but they get *angry* when they lose a cow."
- Terry Pratchett
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From: fossil_1984@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)

> I hear he's doing Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett now.

Gaiman. Pratchett. Gilliam.

PERFECT.

Though I s'pose it's too much to hope that he use Oxfordshire's actual
USAF base as the location for "Upper Tadfield". Even if it *is* closed
my now.

...and tell him the Air Force hasn't used jeeps since 'Nam....

--C.
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From: HellPopeHuey <hellpopehuey@subspamgeenyus.com>

>>Rorshach RULES.

Naw, he was a sad psycho, but DAMN, what a deep, broad tale. Very moving and
quotable. The "book chapters" in between are stellar. That's the kind of stuff
that keeps me dabbling in comics: the quality goods come along at odd intervals.
Gotta take a break from Newsweek and the New Republic or you'll kill "Bob."

Here are 4 others you should peruse that are of a similar quality.

Alan Moore's "V For Vendetta", a poignant, post-apocalyptic, fascist nightmare;

Kurt Busiek's "Astro City: Confessions", a great retro superhero fest with some
real class in the vicinity of Eisner's Spirit works;

Mark Waid's "Kingdom Come", BEAUTIFULLY painted by Alex Ross. A TOWERING tale
of old & new "heroes" and how personal clashes & responsibility denied,
politics, young punks and time twist things like mad;

and Warren Ellis's' TRANSMETROPOLITAN, all of which is in trade paperback. Its
essentially Hunter Thompson way off in the future, but with the same old VILE
Hyoo-mon behaviors in bloom. Cynical, hopeful, thought-provokin', angering and
FUNNY AS HELL.

Just FYI because these are real high points. BTW, in Ultimate X-Men, Wolverine
fucks Jean Grey early on. I knew you'd want to be aware of this vital
life-pivot.

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
Red, white & half-screwed,
but ah laks this here shiny bit

Mexicans had an election. Nothing happened.
God Bless them.
Mexicans know the world doesn't need more politics;
it needs more lunch.
- P. J. O' Rourke

"I'm not gonna love it 'til its loveable
and I'm not gonna leave it
'til I straighten it out."
- Dick Gregory, on the phrase
"America: Love it Or Leave It"

"This society is a bunch of idiots."
- "
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI)

> Be glad he didn't, at least not the script that was being considered,
> by Sam Hamm. I read it. It was Pinked up to the max and the ending was
> completely changed to be happy.

Nothing could be worse than the script for the Sandman comic. You
know, the one where they mash the first two graphic novels together
and make the Corinthian the strikingly one-dimensional bad guy of the
whole thing. It was intensely awful. I'm glad the Watchmen never got
made; the comic was perfect and when it ain't broke, don't fix it, eh?

> The fact that they thought they needed a script beyond the graphic
> novel was the worst sign. Hell, the damn movie's already storyboarded
> perfectly. (One would have to drop the pirate comics subplot.) Should
> be a miniseries anyway.

We can't have another one of these conversations. Not so soon after
the Fellowship of the Ring. Comments like this could start a
landslide of geekiness.

:) -APLY

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