From: HellPope Huey
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Wed, Jan 9, 2002
I'm either going to catch hell for posting this or catch nothing, but at least
I can say I was sitting upright when the world ended, heh heh....
Are you tired of the same gobbling news about war & "ragheads"? Lost a job
recently, especially in the manufacturing sector or a high-tech company that
subsequently handed several million dollars to the executive staff while you
got
a swift kick into the street? Are you afraid some Arab terrorist nut is going
bomb your plane or poison your office building? Are you an honest Muslim who
wonders if some jingoistic maniac is going to harm your family based on bizarre,
misplaced beliefs that put your appearance over your faith and good citizenship?
Sick of people "spittin' on Old Glory?" Or tired of people waving her in your
face based on a slick marketing ploy that sidesteps common sense in favor of
God
only knows what agenda? What am I, some rabble-rousing COMMIE?
Well, read what this site has to say, since we still have a relatively free
society that has yet to suffer a complete fascistic clamp-down. Like many
people, I get sick of the evening news, sophistry-drenched shouting matches
between "Conservatives" and "Liberals," seriously wondering just how cruelly
out
of touch our leaders really are and how much money might be funneled into "black
ops" ventures.
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
Excerpt:
"It is interesting to note that the contractor whose people were the first on
the WTC collapse scene — to cart away the rubble that remains — is the same
contractor who
demolished and hauled away the shell of the bombed Oklahoma City Murrah
building. The name of the contractor is Controlled Demolition."
In all honesty, I do give a damn about my country. Despite its obvious greed,
waste, shallowness and social flaws, its also still the world's best hope for
a
better GLOBAL life, IF IT WOULD ACT LIKE A real "MAN" (so to speak) with some
heart & clarity instead of some bullying schoolyard bitch-slap fight on wheels.
I appreciate what its done for me, uneven and clumsy though its been at times.
We have an unrealisticalIy good AND bad rep world-wide, but we also put our
money where our national mouth is and fund many things of high merit, both
philosophically and tangibly.
I also harbor no illusions about crushing ignorance, appalling living
conditions for many and monstrous despots who require some damned serious
Navy-Seal-type attention pursuing activites whose level of horror is almost
too
big to wrap your mind around. Information and even more importantly,
DISinformation, are slugging it out every day, on many fronts. Nothing is simple
except death.
It is also true that in many cases, those who reach a certain level of personal
and/or financial security get bored, arrogant, philosophically driven for odd
reasons and begin to play larger game of sometimes cruel and sinister
proportions. This is historical fact. People in positions of power have misused
them for gain before; they will again.
If a man will defraud the state of Arkansas to pocket a mere $30,000 for an
order of American flags (!) which never arrived, you can bet your comfy
white
behind that another would see killing a few thousand people to precipitate
control of an oil field worth billions as SOP in business-as-usual.
However, there are some things that hold a great deal more water than mere
"belief" or opinion. One of them is physics, which is the same for Americans,
Muslims, snippy French waiters and Jivaro headhunters. I question almost
everything I read and this site is no different. My decision to pass this one
along is based on the simple fact that steel & jet fuel know no political
stance. Unlike humans, they behave in a consistent manner, which is what makes
the contentions herein so disquieting.
Does it almost come across like some acid-dream cross between "The A-Team,"
"Mission: Impossible" and a James Bond nightmare? Sure. But then, so did the
Third Reich, until American soldiers brought back pictures of prisoners who
looked like anatomy skeletons.
I simply suggest that you add this to the things you have seen and heard, WILL
see and hear and consider what you do or do not do next with as full a mental
hard disk of information as possible. Don't just listen to me, since I am not
an
authority as such and have a huge pile of dirty laundry to do tonight anyway.
DO
drink it in, sift and weigh, call, write, question, vote... and cross your
fingers. The End of the World could take a lot longer and be a lot worse than
you thought. Let's at least consider grabbing the tonsils of the Bad Guys and
swinging around painfully for a few moments like Quasimodo before we slide down
the gullet of EEEE-vil. They're doing the Armageddon Boogie on OUR spines. Let's
not help them by being too complacent.
OOOHHHH boy.....
HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
I am damned dissatisfied to be killed in this manner
Authorities say the phony Pope can be recognized
by his high cotton tennis shoes
and incredibly foul mouth.
- "The
Simpsons"
"Fascism in America will attempt to advance
under the banner of Americanism and anti-Fascism."
- Georgi Dimitrov
"I love the feel of the wind on my ass."
- Drew Carey
"God's name is Allah!"
"No its not, its Yahweh!!"
"You're BOTH wrong,
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From: Legume
What the fuck are YOU gonna do Huey? You gonna shoot up a cop shop? No,
you're gonna post your paranoid rantings to a Usenet group full of other
people who ain't gonna do Jack Shit but sit at home and wait for The End of
Whatever.
Let me tell YOU something, Hellpope. I get gas at $1.02 a gallon, Burger
King has Triple Hickory Smoked Cheddar Bacon Burgers With Creamy Barbecue
Sauce for $1.99, and no jackbooted thugs have kicked in my door and shot me
in the head this week.
We all got off pretty fucking easy if you ask me. You only have so many
weeks in your life until you die. If you'd rather waste time on the
internet railing about the terrible future instead of eating cheeseburgers
(and eating the HELL out of them), then truly you are a DUMBASS.
Don't worry about the terrible future. The Terrible future will outlive
you.
And once you're dead, fuck the world.
--
Dr.Legume
"The idea of you dead and horribly mutilated turns me on."
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From: "Alliekatt"
"Legume"
news:Xns91921A20D3901CortezLegume18465086@24.12.106.199...
> We all got off pretty fucking easy if you ask me. You only have so many
> weeks in your life until you die. If you'd rather waste time on the
> internet railing about the terrible future instead of eating cheeseburgers
> (and eating the HELL out of them), then truly you are a DUMBASS.
>
> Don't worry about the terrible future. The Terrible future will outlive
> you.
>
> And once you're dead, fuck the world.
I dunno, I was a dumbass there for about four days a while back. September
11-15. Then I bought a big ass cheeseburger from Burger King and I burped
nasty fake hickory flavor for the next 10 hours. After that I stuck to
Rally's for getting my big kick ass cheeseburgers with seasoned fries. Then
Rally's here closed a month ago. The future truly is terrible. It
fucking
SUCKS. But whether or not the humans kill each other is not my concern
as
long as I still have DSL and I can maintain the pleasure of sending gory and
disturbing terroristic death threats to spammers.
Humans destroying my world is like my cats trying to fight on top of me
claws and all when I'm sleeping. It pisses me off and if they didn't stop
then I'd have to kill them before they scratch my eyes out. But they're
smart enough to stop semi-permanently when they fly and hit the wall with a
satisfying slap! p-thunk. Humans, however, are not as smart as cats, and
usually a lot of them have to die when it's their turn to fly, just to get
the rest of them to question stupidity.
alliekatt
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From: "Blackout"
"HellPope Huey" wrote
>
> OOOHHHH boy.....
ok people: you DON'T HAVE TO -MELT- STEEL at 2800 DEGREES TO GET IT TO
BEND/FAIL.
get it up to about 8-900 degrees in ONE AREA and that area will bend
like a sumnabich with ANY force on it at all. if you take a 6 foot piece
of 1" steel and heat it up to 900 in one small area even YOU could pull
it around 180 degrees. get it up to around 1200 and it will start to
droop under it's own weight.
all the fire would have had to do is get ONE support beam hot enough to
bend and when it failed the loads on all the others would have increased
dramatically so if they were being heated as well (duh) when they got up
to temperature they would have failed even faster. get enough of them to
fail and the whole thing crumbles when the weight of the floor above it
effectively doubles the load it was designed to support, and that's if
there is only one floor above it instead of 20.
not to take anything away from the implosion theory, mind you. but they
oughta at least try and get blacksmithing 101 down before they make
themselves out to be total simpletons.
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From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee"
HellPope Huey wrote:
> OOOHHHH boy.....
>
Wow. So, like, is there some good reason you're *not* posting this
stuff to some indymedia site..? I'd just love to cut n' paste this and
put it up on our local site under the moniker of your choice... =)
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From: HellPope Huey
In article
>
>What the fuck are YOU gonna do Huey? You gonna shoot up a cop shop? No,
>you're gonna post your paranoid rantings to a Usenet group full of other
>people who ain't gonna do Jack Shit but sit at home and wait for The End of
>Whatever.
Well shit YEAH! My only damned goal is to maybe get a few people to get a bit
more suspicious and maybe see that fuckin' pampered oil fuck Bush as he mostly
IS and next time, MAYBE vote in a guy who'll reverse the Nazi shit he's been
doin' almost since he got in. Every new Prez does some of that. Its a rigged
game, but there's a LITTLE leeway, sometimes.
Sure, the next guy will ALSO be a rich creep who's in somebody ELSE'S pocket,
but maybe he won't be so damned keen on peeping yer PC for no good reason and
letting somebody kick down yer door for Good Christian grins on a hunch.
>Let me tell YOU something, Hellpope. I get gas at $1.02 a gallon, Burger
>King has Triple Hickory Smoked Cheddar Bacon Burgers With Creamy Barbecue
>Sauce for $1.99,
Hey, I DID point out that we DO it while the rest of the world sucks hind tit,
bitches about us and then asks for handouts. I'm just MORE tired than ever of
seeing this fingerfuck going on, such as the Enron rape. SOME Pinks need
stranglin' RIGHT NOW.
and no jackbooted thugs have kicked in my door and shot me
>in the head this week.
Not THIS week, maybe. They get addresses wrong a lot too,
eieieie...ummm...besides, whaddaya think they'll make of your bloody cloning
lab
in the basement?
Bush sr. signed away a LOT of stuff that kept that in check a bit and Sonnyboy
is sweeping up further. But I expect CIA types to be part of Cthulu Inc. Yeah,
we need some bad guys to keep THEIR bad guys at bay, but the chickenshit is
what
it is. Its out of balance.
>We all got off pretty fucking easy if you ask me.
Do you think that'll be the last time, tight new regs and all? They're missing
the slot anyway, because NO one CAN hit it all the time. That's how that gork
got on a jet with C-4 in his stoopid shoe. FOCUS is what rocks, not knee-jerk
clampdowns.
> You only have so many
>weeks in your life until you die.
Geez, I hope, I'm sure tired.
> If you'd rather waste time on the
>internet railing about the terrible future instead of eating cheeseburgers
>(and eating the HELL out of them), then truly you are a DUMBASS.
Nope, I had two AMERICAN pizzas fer dinner. Its just one post and only slightly
more important than the one about the Buddy Christ dashboard figure. You can't
fight city hall, but you CAN piss off & expose the worst offenders some. Its
yer
right and even yer OBLIGATION.
>>Don't worry about the terrible future. The Terrible future will outlive
>you.
Hey, its outliving me RIGHT NOW! I'm just ignoring it most of the time.
Besides, its the Terrible Future of someone from 1944, not mine per se.
>>And once you're dead, fuck the world.
Naw, I'm fucking part of it right now while my dick still works. Corpse dick
is
bad dick unless you were Alice Cooper in 1981.
>"The idea of you dead and horribly mutilated turns me on."
So OR KILL ME and get to fuckin'. I've heard it said that cold dead hole is
REAL TIGHT! Poor Rocknar gotta get SOME somewhere.
HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
The Pastries Suck At The Cafe Depresso
"But Skyler was left with a knowledge
not everybody gets,
of what he would do if the real thing came along...
and then Skyler realized
the real thing HAD come long....
it was ALL the real thing."
- "The Education of
Max Bickford"
"One wormhole would have spat you out
into a dimension of pure ITCHING...
another would have sent you to
a dimension of pure DOOKY."
- "Invader Zim"
"Drawing on my fine command of language,
I said nothing."
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From: HellPope Huey
In article <3C3DE842.2B6424AB@uiuc.edu>, "Chas. says...
> Wow. So, like, is there some good reason you're *not* posting
this
>stuff to some indymedia site..? I'd just love to cut n' paste this and
>put it up on our local site under the moniker of your choice... =)
You can chop it up and do as thou wilt; its OUT here, so I couldn't stop you
if
I cared. Maybe some of the balance I hope to express will give a few people
some
useful pause. But more to the point:
Because as I mentioned, part of almost EVERY such site has a touch of troll
to
it;
because Usenet is good enough;
because I'm too lazy to go full-bore bozo and fling it further than I do;
because it makes SOME people think a LITTLE harder about more verifiable stuff,
such as the growing appearance of a Bush connection to those raping Enron
executive fuckers who boned several thousand out of their retirement funds;
because executive monsters are forcing people to invest in the same company
stocks that go "bankrupt" so execs can waltz off with millions;
because if Al-Qiada has insane bastards who would kill for sinister cause, so
do we and it needs such small resistance as our current level of pampered life
can muster;
because oil IS blood in several ways;
because SOMEone is holding back on fuel cells that would stanch the flow of
gasoline somewhat;
because I want smarter folks than me to point out the flaws I miss;
and because I watch too much CNN and not enough replays of "Invader Zim," one
of the few anodynes to modern madness that enable you to persist instead of
trying to bite your own face in public MORE often.
Because I am a HellPope, with all the rights, privileges and ILLNESS thereof.
Because "Bob" tells me too.
And just because.
HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
The Pastries Suck At The Cafe Depresso
"But Skyler was left with a knowledge
not everybody gets,
of what he would do if the real thing came along...
and then Skyler realized
the real thing HAD come long....
it was ALL the real thing."
- "The Education of
Max Bickford"
"One wormhole would have spat you out
into a dimension of pure ITCHING...
another would have sent you to
a dimension of pure DOOKY."
- "Invader Zim"
"Drawing on my fine command of language,
I said nothing."
- Ma
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From: kconvery@ioma.com (The Bishop)
HellPope Huey
> I'm either going to catch hell for posting this or catch nothing, but at least
> I can say I was sitting upright when the world ended, heh heh....
>
Manky Scots git, you got us all worked up!
Man, Hellpope, I thought you were on to something until I read the
article. It's not even GOOD paranoia. Everything they talk about is
qualified as "certainly possible." It's certainly possible that robots
are stealing my luggage, by that logic.
The part about the impossibility of the planes causing the collapse
is a total laugh-riot. What it DOESN'T take into account could fill a
book, like the weight of each collapsing floor, laden with burning
people, computers, and file cabinets, crushing the ones beneath it
until the momentum was too much for the steel spine to take. And oh,
say the fact that the second tower hit collapsed first because it was
hit about 35 stories lower (at no point in the article is this
mentioned). They use evidence to prove the OPPOSITE of what the
evidence says, as when they suggest that 30 minutes between impact and
collapse means there had to be explosives too. Actually, 30 minutes
proves that the building was strong enough to take the impact of a
plane, but not the impact of the collapsing upper stories. They also
use a plainly doctored photo. I live in NYC and watched the collapse
of both buildings live. There was no sheared-off top section of Tower
One. It never happened. That's why there's no damage from it. And talk
about reaching, check out the section on the horrifying final messages
that came in by cell phone, going on and on about how they are "too
cheesy" to have been said by real people. Maybe too cheesy for
I'm-so-inside conspiracy theorists, who like to bandy about military
and intelligence jargon and talk like extremely sarcastic B-movie
actors for whom EVERYTHING is an in-joke, but real people talk like
that all the time. this article is such a red herring.
Actually, I should thank you. I had small inklings that there really
might have been something to these Bush-did-it musings. But not
anymore. If there had been the slightest bit of real evidence, these
jokers would have included it.
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
In article
> I'm either going to catch hell for posting this or catch nothing, but
at
> least
> I can say I was sitting upright when the world ended, heh heh....
>
>
> http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
>
Well, I went and looked at it and read it closely, because it is a more
comprehensibly written version of other stuff I had been reading. The
basic scenario actually seems to make every bit as much sense to me as
the official version of it all, on all TV and radio.
The only thing new to me was the business about the remote
controllability of passenger aircraft. (("DUH!!" (Stang slaps head,
"DUH"!!)))
That building collapse DID seem just too graceful and poetic to be
real. Even as it was happening I was wondering how the hell it could
all go down so smoothly that way. Maybe it WAS jet fuel running down
the girders. That still sounds so hinky. A vast conspiracy of rich
fucks that can do DAMN near anything they want makes roughly equal
sense.
I mean, OF COURSE there's an evil conspiracy of rich fucks. There has
always been one, or several, and there will always be at least one.
That's the problem. It might end up being only one. It's bearable when
there's several evil conspiracies of rich fucks. ONE, that's SCEEEERY.
If you've never had a job working at country clubs and deb parties, or
have otherwise never had to be among the nobility, even the lowest hem
of Dame Conspiracy's gown, then you have no idea HOW scary.
But it's scary only in a distant way, like the war thing is distant.
Like, "Oh, sure, someday in the far future we'll devolve into
work-slugs for the Eloi Overlords, but I'm not gonna let that stop me
from enjoying my new supercomputer and ice cream NOW."
The trick is to not sound crazy when you talk about it. The people who
talk about it all the time almost always sound crazy, and that doesn't
help. (They're doing just what They WANT them to do!) Your first duty
as a good citizen of what was once The World is thus to NOT GO CRAZY.
Or at least to learn to not ACT crazy. That way, when, between joshing
about the game and babes over beer with Bub, you mention this routine
of how smooth that building went down, and how some of the stuff you
read on the web doesn't seem THAT crazy, well, Bub is just a little
less likely to turn you over to the Thought Police immediately.
Later, when he himself suddenly runs up and grabs you in the parking
lot as you leave work, collars you and screams in your face, "DID YOU
KNOW THAT AMERI-CO IS BUILDING CONCENTRATION CAMPS BEHIND THE MALL??!?
I have a SHOTGUN, we must go FREE OUR FELLOW UNEMPLOYED POT SMOKING
BEER DRINKING WORKING CLASS AMERICANS OR DIE TRYING!!," he'll take you
more SERIOUSLY when you say, "Don't get excited, dude, They won 200
years ago, you can't fight people who doodle crop circles for PRACTICE
and can melt whole buildings with weapons in the sky beyond NORMAL HOME
HOBBYIST KEN -- you're REAL lucky you still have a job on the OUTSIDE,
so QUIET DOWN, eject the shells from that shotgun and STOP RUSHING
HEADLONG INTO THEIR MOUSETRAP LIKE AN IDIOT!!"
And I probably shouldn't even be saying THAT. We're on the Internet,
any of us could be the SubGenius Talk Show revolutionary and blab, blab
blab all manner of facts and figures, but you're just preaching to a
choir wearing TARGET-painted choir robes. These nameless missions are
instead best done ONE OR TWO PEOPLE AT A TIME, privately. Like
you-know-what! Don't ACT like a NUT around the WRONG NUTS, is all I'm
saying.
And that's about the most effective thing most of us can do, from our
cubicles, here in the Future. Personally, I want all the exploited
mothersfuckers through human history on whose backs my wealth was
built, if they begrudge me any of it, to know that I am ENJOYING and
APPRECIATING THE HELL out of EVERY MINUTE of it. Compared to the vast
seething anthill of billions of humans since 1 Million BC, in my plain
little middle class neighborhood I am relatively as rich as ANY
RENNAISSANCE KING. So the full hideous irony of the situation is not
lost on me. I'm just not going to let it get me DOWN. I just GOT here a
few decades ago, I am completely inncocent of, well, MOST of it.
The Conspiracy is REAL, but it's not the rich guys that run everything.
The BIGGEST Conspiracy is the one that's inside every single one of
God's monkeys, just as much inside you as it is in George W. Bush's
boss. It's how us Third Order Chimpanzees, as the Xists might call us,
got where we are. The biggest AND MEANEST chimpanzee wins. Only when
we, as a race, can, like Dr. Moreau, root out that Devil Gene, and
rationally remake ourselves into OverMen, bereft of that cruel chimp
nature, and through scientific means force-evolve ourselves towards
that ideal we call the Morlocks, or else on X-Day, only then, when the
last vestige of the HUMAN has been replaced with the RECREATED YETI,
THEN shall we find true Slack and freedom for all.
Heh, just kiddin', I'm not crazy or anything. All that stuff about me
being paranoid is a bunch of baloney. That Chimpanzee Conspiracy thing?
That was just a joke, part of the satire... you know, like the
overdoses! You can't fight city hall. Death, taxes, and "Bob." No
escaping it.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
A subsidiary of:
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 140306, Dallas, TX 75214
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
PRABOB
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From: slaac@yahoo.com (Rev. Lemuel Atom)
HellPope Huey
>
> http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
>
A load of implausible, paranoid, conspiratorial bullshit. (Also, from
an engineering standpoint, a lot of the facts are primarily uninformed
speculation. Just because something didn't "seem right" to the
untrained eye does not necessarily mean it was caused by high-tech,
pulseless men in black with harmonic oscillation ray guns, or
whatever.)
For a load of PLAUSIBLE paranoid conspiratorial bullshit, see
http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews43updates2.html
> I simply suggest that you add this to the things you have seen and heard,
WILL
> see and hear and consider what you do or do not do next with as full a mental
> hard disk of information as possible. Don't just listen to me, since I am
not an
> authority as such and have a huge pile of dirty laundry to do tonight anyway.
DO
> drink it in, sift and weigh, call, write, question, vote... and cross your
> fingers. The End of the World could take a lot longer and be a lot worse than
> you thought. Let's at least consider grabbing the tonsils of the Bad Guys
and
> swinging around painfully for a few moments like Quasimodo before we slide
down
> the gullet of EEEE-vil. They're doing the Armageddon Boogie on OUR spines.
Let's
> not help them by being too complacent.
HEAR, HEAR! I'm glad to see other folks coming around to this way of
thinking. I know a lot of folks around this-here list look upon the
idea of activism as a lot of hopeless bullshit. But then again,
what's the difference between a pink ignoramus who does nothing
because he thinks that there's nothing wrong, and one cognizant of the
horror of the situation who chooses to do nothing regardless? And
who's the bigger fool?
Yeah, sure it's easy enough to eat your cheeseburgers and burn your
cheap gas and continue to tell yourself that there's no point in
trying to get involved because there's no contribution that you can
make. That's just what THEY want you to think. Those who hold the
reins of power have gone out of their way in the last several decades
to make the political process as dull and unappealing as possible in
order to facilitate the concentration of power and wealth in the hands
of themselves and their cronies. Consequently, the only ways to
combat this situation are:
1) Armed Insurrection - Not a good option because violence is
inherently wrong and counterproductive. Plus that's the sort of
agitation that the System is geared for and can counter with massive
retalitory force. You could give every pissed-off "patriot" in the
U.S. an M-16 and a bag of crank, and the Security Forces of the System
would still crush it like a grape under a steamroller without breaking
a sweat.
2) Get Involved - Roll up your pants legs and wade into the fetid
sewer of the U.S. political system and attempt to use the controls
that the Founding Fathers devised before the AG buries what's left of
them behind the Blair House. Just like Goebbels said of the Nazis,
the current group of goons are eager to demolish the ways and means by
which they seized power to prevent anyone else from doing the same.
Besides, I'm not talking about devoting your entire life to some
crackpot political cause or running for office, but just to be a
little more aware of how political and ecomic power are being bandied
about by the elite of this country. Are you registered to vote? Did
you manage to overcome the incredible inconvenience of casting a vote
in the last election? If not, then please SHUT THE FUCK UP. Go back
to your cheeseburgers and gas guzzlers with the rest of the sheeple.
Even a little research will reveal any number of grassroots
organizations that may be of interest to whatever trips your trigger
or pisses you off or whatever. In fact, it seems to me that a most of
these different little organizations are more or less working towards
a common goal. Sad thing is, although everybody's in the same forest,
everyone's so obsessed with their particular tree that they miss out
on the big picture. Just another example of the Con's divide and
conquer strategy.
[Cue soundtrack: "We Shall Overcome," by the Osmond Family]
Nevertheless, I still firmly believe that there is still hope, so
let's smoke some dope. This country was founded by agitators and
malcontents who were tired of the way the Powers That Be were running
things and decided to seize control for themselves. The time has come
to Do It Again. If all the weirdos and lunatics and fringe elements
and firebrands and activists and everyone else aware enough to have
deduced that something's horribly wrong would ARISE and act like
Goddamn FREE men and women instead of bleating, fearful zombies,
then...
...things would get interesting.
RLA
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From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee"
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
> Well, I went and looked at it and read it closely, because it is a more
> comprehensibly written version of other stuff I had been reading. The
> basic scenario actually seems to make every bit as much sense to me as
> the official version of it all, on all TV and radio.
>
> The only thing new to me was the business about the remote
> controllability of passenger aircraft. (("DUH!!" (Stang slaps head,
> "DUH"!!)))
Nasa did this a couple of years ago, yes. Retrofit it to previuosly
in-service craft? My guess is no.
>
> That building collapse DID seem just too graceful and poetic to be
> real. Even as it was happening I was wondering how the hell it could
> all go down so smoothly that way. Maybe it WAS jet fuel running down
> the girders. That still sounds so hinky. A vast conspiracy of rich
> fucks that can do DAMN near anything they want makes roughly equal
> sense.
My theory is that, as previously mentioned, one set of girders gave
way at around 800 degrees, and then all others would fail
simultaneously. The floor would essentially remain horizontal.
Then the central reinforced elevator core made a wonderful rail for
each floor to slide down into the next one.
>
> Heh, just kiddin', I'm not crazy or anything. All that stuff about me
> being paranoid is a bunch of baloney. That Chimpanzee Conspiracy thing?
> That was just a joke, part of the satire... you know, like the
> overdoses! You can't fight city hall. Death, taxes, and "Bob." No
> escaping it.
Can I quote you? =)
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From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee"
HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> Because I am a HellPope, with all the rights, privileges and ILLNESS
thereof.
>
> Because "Bob" tells me too.
>
> And just because.
Yeah, but you could be FAMOUS! er, um, MORE FAMOUS!
Can you tell I hang out at a recording studio? =)
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From: HellPope Huey
Hey, I received a simple lesson in engineering and physics, so I WIN A VALUABLE
PRIZE: always temper yer skepticism with one more layer of research and
consideration. Steel behaves thusly when treated like THIS HERE. Simple. And
now
I know better.
On the other hand, considering how cluelessly cruel and manipulative our
pampered, self-righteous and all too clueless "leaders" are about the middle
class who pays the bulk of the money they wipe with so casually, its also all
too easy to EXPECT them capable of murder. After all, how much more moral is
shooting someone in the head vs. destroying their livelihoods and retirement
monies via greed, sleaze and incompetent business practices? Can you say Enron?
Life alone ain't it; QUALITY of life matters immensely, which is where Pinkdom
always falls face down in the dooky, at OUR expense. Thus, they deserve our
ongoing contempt, suspicion and vigilance, even if we skid into an erroneous
thought in the process. If THEY weren't such arrogant, maxim-spouting clowns,
I
wouldn't be worrying about their rubber noses as much.
Say, exactly WHY does SpongeBob's pet snail MEOW? Its keepin' me up nights,
ah
tells ya.
HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
Just say no to tarantula souffle
"Life is not so bad if you have plenty of luck,
a good physique and
not too much imagination."
- Christopher Isherwood
The moral of "SHREK:"
You can be accepted for being yourself if
you are ugly, but not if you are short.
"Mentally, I'm already playing
the nickle slots in Atlantic City."
- "N
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
In article <49b3655d.0201110858.240e2c9a@posting.google.com>, Rev.
Lemuel Atom
>
> A load of implausible, paranoid, conspiratorial bullshit. (Also, from
> an engineering standpoint, a lot of the facts are primarily uninformed
> speculation. Just because something didn't "seem right" to the
> untrained eye does not necessarily mean it was caused by high-tech,
> pulseless men in black with harmonic oscillation ray guns, or
> whatever.)
DARN!
Maybe I've been reading too much lurid conspiracy theory stuff. See, to
me, it's a RESTRAINED, SOBER EFFORT if the writer manages to keep
mentions of extraterrestrials, and links to Sherman Skolnick, down to
ONCE EACH, as this article did.
My research in long hard things has not been nearly as extensive as my
research into soft round things.
> HEAR, HEAR! I'm glad to see other folks coming around to this way of
> thinking. I know a lot of folks around this-here list look upon the
> idea of activism as a lot of hopeless bullshit. But then again,
> what's the difference between a pink ignoramus who does nothing
> because he thinks that there's nothing wrong, and one cognizant of the
> horror of the situation who chooses to do nothing regardless? And
> who's the bigger fool?
Remember, these are SUBGENII you're addressing -- that's a loaded
question.
>
> Yeah, sure it's easy enough to eat your cheeseburgers and burn your
> cheap gas and continue to tell yourself that there's no point in
> trying to get involved because there's no contribution that you can
> make. That's just what THEY want you to think. Those who hold the
> reins of power have gone out of their way in the last several decades
> to make the political process as dull and unappealing as possible in
> order to facilitate the concentration of power and wealth in the hands
> of themselves and their cronies. Consequently, the only ways to
> combat this situation are:
>
> 1) Armed Insurrection - Not a good option because violence is
> inherently wrong and counterproductive. Plus that's the sort of
> agitation that the System is geared for and can counter with massive
> retalitory force. You could give every pissed-off "patriot" in the
> U.S. an M-16 and a bag of crank, and the Security Forces of the System
> would still crush it like a grape under a steamroller without breaking
> a sweat.
They'd Tienamen-Square our damn asses.
>
> 2) Get Involved - Roll up your pants legs and wade into the fetid
> sewer of the U.S. political system and attempt to use the controls
> that the Founding Fathers devised before the AG buries what's left of
> them behind the Blair House. Just like Goebbels said of the Nazis,
> the current group of goons are eager to demolish the ways and means by
> which they seized power to prevent anyone else from doing the same.
>
> Besides, I'm not talking about devoting your entire life to some
> crackpot political cause or running for office, but just to be a
> little more aware of how political and ecomic power are being bandied
> about by the elite of this country. Are you registered to vote? Did
> you manage to overcome the incredible inconvenience of casting a vote
> in the last election? If not, then please SHUT THE FUCK UP. Go
back
> to your cheeseburgers and gas guzzlers with the rest of the sheeple.
I wasted my vote on a LOSER!!
>
> Even a little research will reveal any number of grassroots
> organizations that may be of interest to whatever trips your trigger
> or pisses you off or whatever. In fact, it seems to me that a most of
> these different little organizations are more or less working towards
> a common goal. Sad thing is, although everybody's in the same forest,
> everyone's so obsessed with their particular tree that they miss out
> on the big picture. Just another example of the Con's divide and
> conquer strategy.
Well, you are right. I don't mean to discourage folks from getting
involved, whatever that means to them. Do what you do best. I guess my
problem is that I have seen a number of idealists in my life go crazy
because they expected what turned out to be too much too soon. The shit
in politics all seems to float to the top.
>
> [Cue soundtrack: "We Shall Overcome," by the Osmond Family]
>
> Nevertheless, I still firmly believe that there is still hope, so
> let's smoke some dope. This country was founded by agitators and
> malcontents who were tired of the way the Powers That Be were running
> things and decided to seize control for themselves. The time has come
> to Do It Again. If all the weirdos and lunatics and fringe elements
> and firebrands and activists and everyone else aware enough to have
> deduced that something's horribly wrong would ARISE and act like
> Goddamn FREE men and women instead of bleating, fearful zombies,
> then...
>
> ...things would get interesting.
>
That's a good rant and all well and good, but none of the weirdos can
ever agree on ANYTHING. As we see here in this stupic microcosm,
alt.slack, EVERY FUCKING DAY! Does that just automatically go with the
freedom thing? Is there a History Loop, by which Freedom leads to Slack
from which chaos Totalitarians arise to fill the fascism void, and form
regimes from which only Struggle leads again to Freedom?
((Stang raises eyes supplicatingly to the sky as if in hopeful search
of a magical answer.))
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
A subsidiary of:
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 140306, Dallas, TX 75214
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PRABOB
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From: Geoff Bronner
In article <3C3F6B91.EDC69122@uiuc.edu>, Chas. 'Mark' Bee
>
> My theory is that, as previously mentioned, one set of girders
gave
> way at around 800 degrees, and then all others would fail
> simultaneously. The floor would essentially remain horizontal.
>
> Then the central reinforced elevator core made a wonderful rail
for
> each floor to slide down into the next one.
A lot of engineers seemed convinced that we know why the towers
collapsed. I haven't heard any plausible alternative theories yet.
But not long after 9/11 an engineer working with the government to
examine the cause of the tower collapse and other damage at the site
was interviewed by NPR and he said something interesting. Basically he
said what he wanted to look into very closely was the collapse of 7
World Trade Center. At that point it appeared that the building burned
out and collapsed from structural failure but no one could explain why
the fire in the building was hot enough to do that. Since 7 WTC was not
hit by a plane and didn't have burning jet fuel in it they didn't have
an obvious cause.
And per usual I never head any mention of it again in the media.
-G
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