Re: Arise! DVD?

From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Jun 13, 2002 9:54 AM

In article <c2d2252f.0206121958.4d47351f@posting.google.com>,
Christopher K. Philippo <cphilipp@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Some years ago Reverend Modemac wished for an Arise! laserdisc, which
> was not to be.
>
> Seems like the DVD and/or DVD-ROM format would lend itself well to
> Arise!, helping it to become more dense with further levels of
> barrage. Subtitles; original and Polygram versions; identifying
> events and badfilm clips; commentaries...?
>
> XXXXX-Day could provide an opportunity to go through Arise to create
> commentaries, watch it real slow to identify sources of clips, art,
> etc.?

That WOULD be a novel way to experience X-Day... I never would have
thought of spending a crazed naked outdoor End of the World festival
deep in video post production.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
A subsidiary of:
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 204206, Austin, TX 78720-4206
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
For SubGenius Biz & Orders: call toll free to 1-888-669-2323
or email: jesus@subgenius.com
PRABOB

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <vfpgguctjs4tossbkabamc9v8uk2g3bute@4ax.com>, Modemac
<modemac@modemac.com> wrote:

> On 12 Jun 2002 20:58:38 -0700, cphilipp@nycap.rr.com (Christopher K.
> Philippo) wrote:
> >Seems like the DVD and/or DVD-ROM format would lend itself well to
> >Arise!, helping it to become more dense with further levels of
> >barrage. Subtitles; original and Polygram versions; identifying
> >events and badfilm clips; commentaries...?
>
> Since the interest by the Big Video Companies of producing a DVD of
> Arise! is little to none, then it falls to us (or Stang and Company)
> to go through with it. All we need is several hundred dollars for a
> Mac-compatible DVD burner, and a couple of months of free time.

Oh, any DVD burner would be fine, it doesn't have to be Mac-compatible
any more. It's the couple of months of free time that's the much bigger
hang-up. I'm already scheduled to catch up on the five overdue Stark
Fists during that time, plus the SubSITE revision, and the weekly Hour
of Slack productions, dubbing and mailing. And those two book covers,
the posters, the NEW books of OLD reprints, the Chick essay. And
getting the swag made and mailing out any orders that straggle in.
But, maybe it would be worth it. Judging from the sales of the new
DOBBSFILM SHORTIES video, we'd sell at least 18 or 19 DVD copies of
ARISE.

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From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:02:22 GMT, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
>But, maybe it would be worth it. Judging from the sales of the new
>DOBBSFILM SHORTIES video, we'd sell at least 18 or 19 DVD copies of
>ARISE.

At $20 each, that would mean $380! So when the cost of a DVD burner
drops to that price, it would be worth it. Of course, I've heard that
some unscrupulous people are making bootleg and pirated DVDs, though
the money from a venture like that probably wouldn't be *too* much
greater than being completely legit.

--
First Online Church of "Bob"
http://www.modemac.com/

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From: iDRMRSR <alex.i.thymia@depression.org>

Hnuh! I've been carrying a laptop with a WINDOZE MEDIA version of ARISE
that I burned with my own two wicked hands. I oughta post it to ABS.
Plays pretty good. Wuz playing it in the parking lot of the Indyvival
to those few willing to get that close to me in a back alley ta see it.

Now that I got it in WMV format, won't be long before I can cut a VCD
out of it that'll play on a DVD player. I have the technology.

But, eh, not the copyright or anything. Don't wanna whiz on Stang's
parade or anything. Ripping off a chirch is like, really bad karma,
don't you know.

That CD-R is the second most favorite shiny metal thing I own besides my
Blackout Dobbshead. I hope that don't mean, that if this Church ever
gets SO popular, it schisms, and I end up some kind of subCatholic owing
to my taking a shine to shiny metal things...

[*]
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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

In article <sjbiguob4b3i59ibru8nd7mdcg4vgdhfcb@4ax.com>, Modemac
<modemac@modemac.com> wrote:

> At $20 each, that would mean $380! So when the cost of a DVD burner
> drops to that price, it would be worth it.

I'd say that when the cost of a DVD burner drops down to $100, it MIGHT
be worth it. $380 is nothing to sneeze at, of course, but only if it
doesn't involve expensive equipment, media, and TIME. In fact, recently
a saintly SubGenius donated ANOTHER $250 to the Loudness Fund, and when
I told him we had reached our goal weeks ago, he said it was fine to
donate that money to the Church in general. And even THAT wasn't
impressive enough to Stang, given that he's working on the Stark Fist,
a very costly venture no matter how you try to slice it.

So, if you amateur entrepreneurs can come up with a way for the Church
to make a good few thousand in solid, justifiable PROFIT--not NET--then
maybe Stang will listen. And I'll be taking notes too, no doubt!!!

Her Ladyship Lilith

--
\m/ -=8=- http://lilith.foolspress.com/ -=8=- \m/

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3D0899FA.7FEB@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v4.0
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:

> Modemac wrote:
> >
> > On 12 Jun 2002 20:58:38 -0700, cphilipp@nycap.rr.com (Christopher K.
> > Philippo) wrote:
> > >Seems like the DVD and/or DVD-ROM format would lend itself well to
> > >Arise!, helping it to become more dense with further levels of
> > >barrage. Subtitles; original and Polygram versions; identifying
> > >events and badfilm clips; commentaries...?
> >
> > Since the interest by the Big Video Companies of producing a DVD of
> > Arise! is little to none, then it falls to us (or Stang and Company)
> > to go through with it. All we need is several hundred dollars for a
> > Mac-compatible DVD burner, and a couple of months of free time.
> >
>
>
> Or, you could make an almost DVD-quality 2 disk CD set
> in VCD right now, and on the cheap. It would cost just
> the price of the blank CDs and labels, and lots of us
> have CD burners.

Everyone's many CD burners have not had any measurable impact on the
sales of the existing SubGenius multimedia CDs that I can see, which
move at the rate of about one per month, but maybe you guys are doing a
lot more bootlegging between each other than I know about. That would
certainly explain our sales figures.

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From: "nu-monet v4.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> Everyone's many CD burners have not had any measurable
> impact on the sales of the existing SubGenius multimedia
> CDs that I can see...

How about the numero-uno cheapest way to use some loss-
leader material as freely distributed adverts?

Could you produce some "ha-ha fun ball" segments @ about
ten minutes each, with a little interesting content *and*
a pitch for the Church? Chop up a few HOSs and add a plug
for $30 at the end, for example.

Then package them up as .mp3s with titles like:

"Britne Sucking Emine Oriental Slut Dick.mp3" and
"Underage Anal Metallic Fuck.mp3"

post 50 of them to a.b.s., and let us slam them out to
all the gnutella clones. Soon, all those little pirates
will be going "Who the FUCK is the Church of the SubGenius,
and WHY are they DECEIVING me into thinking that I can
HEAR BRITNEY SPEARS GOING DOWN ON EMINEM OR THE SOUNDS OF
METALLICA DOING UNDERAGE ANAL FUCKS INSTEAD OF LISTENING
TO SOME OLD kook RANTING ABOUT ALIENS AND UFOs AND SHIT?"

In other words, your target audience.

Just picture the money rolling in.

Or, what the hell. When was the last time you were just
annoying for the sake of being annoying? Might be fun.

--
"This hedgehog will live with us!"

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From: Legume <none@yerbiz.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:

> Everyone's many CD burners have not had any measurable impact on the
> sales of the existing SubGenius multimedia CDs that I can see, which
> move at the rate of about one per month, but maybe you guys are doing a
> lot more bootlegging between each other than I know about. That would
> certainly explain our sales figures.

I can think of another explanation...

--
Legume
----------
Me TOOL USER! FIVE-FINGER-MAN! Make weapons! Sharp arrow heads! Strong
bow! Trade to beady-eyed hunter types! Chase wives while hunter-types
gone! Make pictures on cave wall, say magic words while wearing scary
bear skull, keep whole tribe guessing!

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From: cphilipp@nycap.rr.com (Christopher K. Philippo)

Modemac wrote:
> Since the interest by the Big Video Companies of producing a DVD of
> Arise! is little to none, then it falls to us (or Stang and Company)
> to go through with it. All we need is several hundred dollars for a
> Mac-compatible DVD burner, and a couple of months of free time.

I wouldn't want the Big Video Companies to do it!

I've got a Mac-compatible DVD burner and free time - I can't be the
only one...? I hope not.

Rev. Stang wrote:
> That WOULD be a novel way to experience X-Day... I never would have
> thought of spending a crazed naked outdoor End of the World festival
> deep in video post production.

Your point is well taken. I have read Bill McKibben's Age of Missing
Information, and was a counselor at an Adirondack summer camp in the
early '90s where I was somewhat dumbfounded by the presence of
GameBoys (why?!).

Still, I thought both recording equipment and watching BadFilms was
part of past X-Days, and big-time video post production wouldn't be
necessary: one could merely show Arise! and have something to record
comments made during the viewing. Just an idea, anyway.

Toff

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article
<9F2B97FB5B60A780.1C7BFAFA9B705DA6.4C1642DAA115ED69@lp.airnews.net>,
iDRMRSR <alex.i.thymia@depression.org> wrote:

>
> Now that I got it in WMV format, won't be long before I can cut a VCD
> out of it that'll play on a DVD player. I have the technology.
>
> But, eh, not the copyright or anything. Don't wanna whiz on Stang's
> parade or anything. Ripping off a chirch is like, really bad karma,
> don't you know.
>
> That CD-R is the second most favorite shiny metal thing I own besides my
> Blackout Dobbshead. I hope that don't mean, that if this Church ever
> gets SO popular, it schisms, and I end up some kind of subCatholic owing
> to my taking a shine to shiny metal things...
>
>
Doesn't it figure, i TOTALLY FORGOT that you had already done this and
that I even have a copy of it! (AND the ever-present SAFETY COPY
lurking outside the Dome!) I suppose I could just... ADD THAT TO THE
CATALOG, couldn't I.

Hmmm... your version is 140 mb total (in 4 parts), WMV format. HMMM. I
could either just use THAT, and throw on some low res versions of other
product to fill it out, since it's a sin to waste CD-R space... OR we
could just SIN...

OR I could finish purging this giant hard drive over to the other hard
drive so that it's once again optimized and defragged and ready to
record on, and I could transfer it myself in full res DV and then
scrunch it down to some format.... um... that's the question.
Personally I know we could get a near VHS quality off a DivX compressed
AVI with MP3 soundtrack. But the average SubGenius "can't" play those
because to do so would require downloading a plug-in and a lot of these
people are, pardon the expression, "girls," and can't do things like
download plug-ins.

So Windows Media cinepaked would probably be the SAFEST format bet,
right? Actually an MPEG would be safest -- ANYBODY can play THOSE --
but the picture and sound quality would suffer.

This came up a few months ago and I ended up burning each short video
clip in 4 different formats. No one could agree on any TWO FAVES. Thus
we find the awful indecisive plethora of formats on the downloadable
SubGenius videos at http://subgenius.com/bigfist/eyes/video7.html

Speaking of which, Mister Sister, we split for our vacation before I
had a chance to give you my cast-off unconverted AVIs of movies. My
most recent acquisition is the god-awful new version of THE TIME
MACHINE, which is even worse the second time. If I had a time machinego
back in time and fix it so that H.G. Wells' grandson couldn't have H.G.
Wells' great-grandson, Simon Wells, the FUCKING PINK, who directed that
film in the way most sure to spite his great SubGenius ancestor.

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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

In article <140620021144479869%stang@subgenius.com>, Rev. Ivan Stang
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

> But the average SubGenius "can't" play those
> because to do so would require downloading a plug-in and a lot of these
> people are, pardon the expression, "girls," and can't do things like
> download plug-ins.

True--it takes a real woman of a SubGenius to handle "plug" "ins".

Her Ladyship Lilith

--
\m/ -=8=- http://lilith.foolspress.com/ -=8=- \m/

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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

This is what I get for making off-the-cuff responses before reading the
whole damn article I'm responding to.

In article <140620021144479869%stang@subgenius.com>, Rev. Ivan Stang
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

> So Windows Media cinepaked would probably be the SAFEST format bet,
> right? Actually an MPEG would be safest -- ANYBODY can play THOSE --
> but the picture and sound quality would suffer.

Hmm, MAYBE, but lately, I've been seeing some great 320x240, 30 fps,
high quality stereo MPEGs that look good when blown up to 2X. If I had
Arise! in similar quality, it'd be worth buying the MPEG encoded
version.

BTW, which version is Mister Sister's Arise! bootleg? My favorite
remains the pre-Polygram video, with the illicit Charleston Heston and
Elvis snippets, although the newer version is kewl with its pics of
Saddam Hussein in robes during prayer.

Her Ladyship Lilith

--
\m/ -=8=- http://lilith.foolspress.com/ -=8=- \m/

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From: iDRMRSR <alex.i.thymia@depression.org>

Stang:
>>new version of THE TIME
MACHINE, which is even worse the second time. If I had a time machinego
back in time and fix it so that H.G. Wells' grandson couldn't have H.G.
Wells' great-grandson, Simon Wells, the FUCKING PINK, who directed that
film in the way most sure to spite his great SubGenius ancestor<<

Dang! Now that's one movie I'd like to see on the small screen anyhow.
You n' me gotta gather some time before XDV. Big screen waiting and so
are Mulholland Drive and The Man who Wasn't There. See, I been
collecting movies for my forthcoming retirement, kind of stacking them
up and not watching them. Two flix that came out lately that are
totally beezarr!

But doggone, I woke up over here on the West Side this weekend and will
prolly stay till Sunday night. I dunno.

Hey, I made some videos for werke, really really dull stuff (hell, you
prolly got paid to EDIT stuff like that, CON-Pr0n, you know the stuff).
They don't play at werke cuz of the decrepit equipment. They were gonna
load them up on the CON web site, but same problem, too many
incompatible formats for girly man type Web surfers. It's a jungle.

Feel free to use the Arise however you see fit there, hope it makes the
Chirch some dough somehow someday.

[*]
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3D08BE47.46CB@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v4.0
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:

> "Britne Sucking Emine Oriental Slut Dick.mp3" and
> "Underage Anal Metallic Fuck.mp3"
>
> post 50 of them to a.b.s., and let us slam them out to
> all the gnutella clones.

Well, 3 days ago I posted a whole 80 minute CD's worth of X-Day songs,
GOOD ones, and they all have ads in the tags, but not only are they not
all over Gnutella, I haven't seen the slightest indication that anyone
on either newsgroup downloaded or even saw a single one of them. The
vacation pictures, those got comment. The entire kick-ass SubGenius
album? -- that went over with the sound of one hand thudding in a deaf
forest!

> Soon, all those little pirates
> will be going "Who the FUCK is the Church of the SubGenius,
> and WHY are they DECEIVING me into thinking that I can
> HEAR BRITNEY SPEARS GOING DOWN ON EMINEM OR THE SOUNDS OF
> METALLICA DOING UNDERAGE ANAL FUCKS INSTEAD OF LISTENING
> TO SOME OLD kook RANTING ABOUT ALIENS AND UFOs AND SHIT?"

Well, get to retitling. I am almost done with the cover art.

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From: "nu-monet v4.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> Well, 3 days ago I posted a whole 80 minute CD's
> worth of X-Day songs, GOOD ones, and they all have
> ads in the tags...

Tags, yes! But what wormy worm reads the damn tags?
I'm talking about little front and back end bumpers
like you use on HOS. Maybe real fast ones, like the
disclaimers they use in car adverts. Blipvert style.

If you can whip out a couple-a small ones, I'll gladly
paste them on the CD tracks, retitle them, and get the
ball rolling with file swap. I betcha I can even get
a word-popularity list so's I get about a zillion
uploads.

--
"Hell is full of Dinosaurs!"
-- nu-monet

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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

In article <3D0A17DB.37DB@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v4.0
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:

> I'm talking about little front and back end bumpers
> like you use on HOS. Maybe real fast ones, like the
> disclaimers they use in car adverts. Blipvert style.

That's actually such a cool idea, I might make time this weekend to see
if I can record something like this.

"ThefollowingclipisbroughttoyoubytheChurchOfTheSubGeniusPOBox204206Austi
nTexas78720orvisitourwebsiteatwww.subgenius.comPRABOB"

I'll have to take MORE DEM KIND PILS first, though.

Her Ladyship Lilith

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From: "nu-monet v4.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

nu-monet v4.0 wrote:

20 Most popular search expressions, according
to Lycos. Using combinations of these should
get HUGE hits on P2P xfers. Whether they will
download the files remains to be seen.

I'm serious about front and rear "bumpers". If
you don't mind, I can even pull them from an old
HOS espisode, but how hard can a few seconds long
.wav file be?

1 World Cup
2 Dragonball
3 R. Kelly
4 Tattoos
5 Britney Spears
6 KaZaA
7 Eminem
8 Star Wars
9 Spider-Man
10 Baseball
11 Daniel Pearl
12 Pamela Anderson
13 Harry Potter
14 Las Vegas
15 Final Fantasy
16 NBA
17 Morpheus
18 Mike Tyson
19 Grand Theft Auto
20 Boston Phoenix

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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

In article <140620021151475165%stang@subgenius.com>, Rev. Ivan Stang
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

> Well, 3 days ago I posted a whole 80 minute CD's worth of X-Day songs,
> GOOD ones, and they all have ads in the tags, but not only are they not
> all over Gnutella, I haven't seen the slightest indication that anyone
> on either newsgroup downloaded or even saw a single one of them.

FYI, I downloaded the whole set and will listen during the next wave of
multitasking. This round, however, is reading the alt.slack posts OTHER
THAN the RLan baiting threads (RESIST, Lil, resist!!!) while
simultaneously looking for employment and reading up on a company who
is granting me an interview this Tuesday. It'll be with a company that
DOESN'T do Internet or wireless technologies, meaning it should be
relatively stable work, and maybe I won't get laid off so quickly AND
will somehow avoid getting disgusted so quickly. More importantly, a
clenchmate already works there, so I have an "in" and, when stupidity
levels there rise beyond my usual tolerance levels, an "out" as well.

WISH ME LUCK getting the slack of anti-slack folding back upon itself!
Maybe once I'm working again, I can FROP AGAIN TOO. AHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Her Ladyship Lilith

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <Xns922C8B4CA884BCortezLegume18465086@128.242.171.114>,
Legume <none@yerbiz.com> wrote:

> I can think of another explanation...

Yeah, me too, but I refuse to seriously consider that one because by
definition there's absolutely nothing I can do about it.

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From: Legume <none@yerbiz.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:

> Yeah, me too, but I refuse to seriously consider that one because by
> definition there's absolutely nothing I can do about it.

There IS flogging.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article
<AAA97810034FD35F.ED63DB6A14D7A7A9.4A8A0CB2E3AA94B5@lp.airnews.net>,
iDRMRSR <alex.i.thymia@depression.org> wrote:

> But doggone, I woke up over here on the West Side this weekend and will
> prolly stay till Sunday night. I dunno.

Just as well, I am STILL behind on Hour of Slack and have to be AHEAD.
And Princess Wei is way behind on unpacking from out move. We moved one
year ago and the house still looks EXACTLY like it did at our
housewarming party that everybody came to. Of course she would like us
to do all manner of social things. Parties and the like.

I gotta admit I'm tempted to drop this geeky SubGenius weirdness and go
to that Cleveland Gay and Lesbian Day Parade or whatever the hell it
is. That's today I think. My daughter and I used to go to those in
Dallas and they were a GAS, as in, really funny. Those Gay and Lesbian
people seem to be a CREATIVE bunch, for Normals.

>
> Hey, I made some videos for werke, really really dull stuff (hell, you
> prolly got paid to EDIT stuff like that, CON-Pr0n, you know the stuff).

Oh man... you have no idea. SERIOUS Con-pron. (GREAT new jargon for
business films!) Not just edit, but I had to haul and lay the dolly
tracks in the factories too. Ah, the Reda Pump Factory in Bartlesville,
Oklahoma... the Caterpillar plant in Illinois... actually the most
interesting business films I worked on were fund raisers for N.A.R.C.,
the National Association for Retarded Citizens.

> They don't play at werke cuz of the decrepit equipment. They were gonna
> load them up on the CON web site, but same problem, too many
> incompatible formats for girly man type Web surfers. It's a jungle.

Well, remember when I was posting all those movie clips on a.b.s., in 4
different formats, and nobody agreed on what TWO they could play? Some
went BALLISTIC at the thought of RealMedia and others got all steamed
up over Quicktime.

As I have learned from the video pirates, the Black Market has by far
the most efficient codecs and players. But the PinCustomers don't know
what codecs are, and only know of ONE player, called Microsoft Internet
Explorer. In fact, to many of them, that's what "COMPUTER" they use.
You ask 'em what kind of email program they use and they say "Windows".
Back when I only used Mac stuff I EXPECTED this sort of ignorance...
Macs were made for us dumbasses, back then. But now EVERYTHING is made
for dumbasses, and I'm no longer one of the dumbasses! Not about
computers anyway. Pisses me off.

Champion Jack Codini does business film type of work, or rather the
CD-R and DVD version of that kind of thing, he probably knows the maze
of formats worse than any of us.

>
> Feel free to use the Arise however you see fit there, hope it makes the
> Chirch some dough somehow someday.

ARISE actually DOES make dough for the Church, because we're the sole
distributors and we manufacture the copies ourselves, thus keeping the
per copy cost relatively low. (WE DON'T SKIMP on the TAPE though --
that's top grade Maxell "library quality" tape, bought in bulk.)

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <140620021147082855%lilith@ZubJenius.com>, Her Ladyship
Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com> wrote:

> That's actually such a cool idea, I might make time this weekend to see
> if I can record something like this.
>
> "ThefollowingclipisbroughttoyoubytheChurchOfTheSubGeniusPOBox204206Austi
> nTexas78720orvisitourwebsiteatwww.subgenius.comPRABOB"
>
> I'll have to take MORE DEM KIND PILS first, though.

Don't even bother with the PO Box! Nobody uses that any more.
"SUBGENIUS.COM" is the main thing they need to know. Thanks to the
Geddyns, even with the very common mispelling "subgenious" they'll
still get to the right place.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3D0A56AF.1E9@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v4.0
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:

> --
> "Hell is full of Dinosaurs!"
> -- nu-monet

"My god! Hell IS full of Dinosaurs!!"

-- Stang

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From: Geoff Bronner <geoff.bronner@dartmouth.edu>

In article <150620021054351540%stang@subgenius.com>, Rev. Ivan Stang
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
>
> But now EVERYTHING is made
> for dumbasses, and I'm no longer one of the dumbasses! Not about
> computers anyway. Pisses me off.

That's the basic problem... they keep idiot-proofing the world and then
get upset when all that happens is that it breeds a better idiot.

-G

--
--

<http://www.dartmouth.edu/~geoffb/>

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