"SubGenius Logo" Origins

From: onan@subgenius.com (Uncle Onan Canobite)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jul 22, 2002 10:39 PM

If you take the 'SubGenius Logo' and remove the pipe, you have a
psychick cross. The psychick cross is the symbol of the Temple of
Psychick Youth, and is either owned by Genesis P. Orridge or owned by
nobody, depending on who you believe. GPO is not a member of TOPY
right now; he was either asked to leave or left on his own, depending
on who you believe.

But more clearly defined than any of the above is this: GPO or some
early member of TOPY invented the psychick cross, and Jesus Christ of
the Church of the SubGenius re-invented it during the first Amsterdam
Field Trip. But... where did the GPO/TOPY inspiration come from?

The answer is seen here...

http://www.topy.net/images/zyclon_2.jpg

... the three-armed cross used as a symbol for 'poison' on canisters
of Zyclon-B gas, the gas used to murder Jews, homosexuals,
intellectuals and other SubGeniuses during World War II.

TEMPLE OF PSYCHICK YOUTH
http://www.topy.net/

TOPY FAQ (including psychick cross information)
http://www.topy.net/faq.html

GENESIS P. ORRIDGE
http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/

CHURCH OF THE SUBGENIUS
http://www.subgenius.com/

Once you have examined the original evidence (rather than accepting
second-hand information without question) you are in a position to
make an informed statement of fact and/or opinion. You are not
required to respond.

- Uncle Onan

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From: "Blackout" <blackout@404subgenius.com>

I tried telling these dopes that when the icon thing first showed up but
OH NO they were having NONE of it, thank you very much. Nenslo almost
swallowed his tongue telling me to get fucked about it so you had best
just watch yer step mr.

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From: Phloighd <phloighd@hotmail.com>

Blackout wrote:

>
> I tried telling these dopes that when the icon thing first showed up but
> OH NO they were having NONE of it, thank you very much. Nenslo almost
> swallowed his tongue telling me to get fucked about it so you had best
> just watch yer step mr.

Then there're those of us who think GPO is a dingleberry and not worth
the mindshare. The ORIGINAL icon that I saw did not have equal
distances between the crossing horizontal lines, that was added later by
revisionist TOPY fans who, in point of fact, can suck my dick.

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From: Legume <none@yerbiz.com>

Uncle Onan Canobite wrote:

> If you take the 'SubGenius Logo' and remove the pipe, you have a
> psychick cross. The psychick cross is the symbol of the Temple of
> Psychick Youth, and is either owned by Genesis P. Orridge or owned by
> nobody, depending on who you believe. GPO is not a member of TOPY
> right now; he was either asked to leave or left on his own, depending
> on who you believe.
>
> But more clearly defined than any of the above is this: GPO or some
> early member of TOPY invented the psychick cross, and Jesus Christ of
> the Church of the SubGenius re-invented it during the first Amsterdam
> Field Trip. But... where did the GPO/TOPY inspiration come from?

Ah, if I may, I'd like to explain the cross further.

A few years back, at XDay, Jesus approached me with the first of the silver
Dobbs cross medallions and tried to sell me one for fifteen dollars.

I asked him the origin of the icon, to which he replied, "You designed it,
Legume". I didn't remember designing it, but the Lord filled in the blank
spots. It turns out I was doodling a Dobbshead to prove I could draw one
from memory. I'd doodled it in the Lords Slack Crusades diary. At the
time, my memory was a bit fuzzy on it because I was probably all fropped to
hell when I did it.

I'd first drawn an oval for the head. I bisected it vertically to line up
the center of the face. Then, I bisected it horizontally to line up the
eyes. Halfway from the eyes to the chin, I drew another horizontal line,
then another halfway down from that. I then drew a line for the pipe from
that bottom line.

Check out
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/church/50/drawfaces/page4.html and
you'll see what I'm talking about.

The bottom line: the icon was not at all derived from any trendy
underground band, etc. It was derived from the simple face drawing
technique I learned from reading John Buscema's "How to Draw Comics the
Marvel Way" when I was a kid.

And finally, I said unto the Lord, "You got a lotta damn gall to take a
symbol I created and then sell it without offering me a cut. And even more
gall to try and sell it to ME."

So overcome by my words of truth was the Lord, that he gave unto me a free
icon pendant with a suggested retail value of 15 dollars. Then he went unto
the masses profiteering from my creation ever since.

And thus was the Dobbs Cross icon born unto the Earth to be burned and peed
upon and of course emblazoned upon the fine quality products that fill
those t-shirt-shaped holes in your lives.

Amen.
--
"Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from
the last church falls on the last priest" - - - Emile Zola

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From: "Blackout" <blackout@404subgenius.com>

my original point was that it was like taking the swastika and changing
the proportions around and then having to defend the "new design"
because of the uncanny resemblence to something that a bunch of flaming
dipshits had been carving into each other's arms for long enough to
make the design their own.

I suppose when some TOPY dork comes up and grabs your balls and starts
whispering "hou do I lov thee?" into your ear you because they saw your
icon necklace and figured you were a vacuum waiting to be "filled" you
could always whip out a set of calipers and point out the DISTINCT
SPACING DIFFERENCES to them and hope for the best.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3D3D4C1A.4040802@hotmail.com>, Phloighd
<phloighd@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Then there're those of us who think GPO is a dingleberry and not worth
> the mindshare. The ORIGINAL icon that I saw did not have equal
> distances between the crossing horizontal lines, that was added later by
> revisionist TOPY fans who, in point of fact, can suck my dick.
>

Thee funny thing about thiis is thaat (according to Chas last
Thursday), "LEGUME invented the Dobbs Ikon Cross, NOT Jesus"; although
I recall Jesus showing me thee barest essentials ov the idea on a
napkin some time in 2000.

I can assure you thaat Jesus (or Legume, or God) came up with thaat
design without having ever encountered thee rather obscure TOPY stuff.
(*I* encounted TOPY back in the '80s but it didn't "grab" me, indeed
what I saw, especially theEeEe spelling, seemed extremely
self-conscious and pretentious. I probably mentioned them in High
Weirdness, but *I don't remember.* )

Thoose fucking crosses (sans Pipe ov course) have been all over
Byzantine Christian artwork for a thousand years. Church decoration in
Constantinople as well as Russian Orthodox churches feature three
dicked crosses out thee kazoo.

The crosses thaat TOPY used az inspiration, and give az examples, have
no relation tuu the Christian cross. The Dobbs Ikon iz a direct and
very deliberate play onn tthee Christian cross. In m(y) Orthodox
version, it iz also an exact match for theE proportions ov "Bob's"
face.

Maybe w(e) should stop using the Dobbshead because some straight
looking guy smoked a Pipe in theE years before w(e) found that picture.

gENESIS p. oRRIDGE was initially going to be at this year's Starwood,
but the idea was dropped. May have just been a scheduling thing. I was
looking forward to meeting him and discussing this Ikon "controversy."
Somehow I suspect that by now, he might take it all about as seriously
as I do.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
A subsidiary of:
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 204206, Austin, TX 78720-4206
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
For SubGenius Biz & Orders: call toll free to 1-888-669-2323
or email: jesus@subgenius.com
PRABOB

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From: Onan Canobite <onan@subgenuis.com

If I have been unclear, let me state once more that I do not believe any
SubGenius who discovered the 'SubGenius Logo' saw it previously in the
TOPY context.

I bring up the issue because Genesis P. Orridge has felt the psychick
cross was his symbol to the point of legal action - which he won. I
bring up the similarities because I wish to aid the SubGenius Foundation
in avoiding lawsuits. It doesn't matter to me or Johnny Law whether
there is a justified case, only that a lawyer has been hired and money
begins to hemorage. I suggest sooner or later GPO will notice the
'SubGenius Logo' and may consider it competition from another mail order
mind control cult. Even after leaving / eviction from TOPY, he won his
previous lawsuit against his own mail order mind control cult.

I do not advocate uniform abandonment or uniform endorsement of the
'SubGenius Logo' by the Church of the SubGenius. The only rule I
advocate as uniformly appropriate is "Send One Dollar."

Send One Dollar,

- Uncle Onan

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From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>

"Onan Canobite" <onan@subgenuis.com> wrote in message
news:slrnak38su.5q8.onan@exocet-industries.cx...

> I do not advocate uniform abandonment or uniform endorsement of the
> 'SubGenius Logo' by the Church of the SubGenius. The only rule I
> advocate as uniformly appropriate is "Send One Dollar."
>
> Send One Dollar,
>
> - Uncle Onan

I think that the fear of the Church of the SubGenius being sued by Porridge
is a lot like that fear that you get when you're on an airplane 1500 miles
from home and you suddenly wonder, "Did I leave the oven on?" It's a
completely pointless fear because there's nothing you can do about it in the
first place, and in the second place, of course you didn't leave the oven
on! Why would you leave the oven on? You weren't even cooking anything!

The SubGenius Ikon is so vastly different from the TOPY cross that if Mr
Porridge were foolish enough to sue over it, he would lose without a doubt.
I'm sure the Church's lawyer would be glad to get his hands on such a case,
in the hopes of making a lucrative countersuit for harassment. Not only are
the proportions of the lines different, but there are two extra lines,
making the symbol AT LEAST 1/3 different from the TOPY cross (without even
COUNTING the modemacian CIRCLE), not to mention the fact that its
independent creation is well documented by original sketches.

As for TOPY eventually "finding out" about our symbol, I doubt that the
twenty or so members of TOPY will ever run across it, or notice the slight
similarities if they did, as long as nobody writes any inflammatory
articles, to be permanently archived on Google, stating that they think
Jesus ripped off Porridge and stole his symbol.

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From: prostata@bronze.coil.com (The Stinking Bishop Prostata Cantata MP)

In article <eir09.209457$q53.5354609@twister.austin.rr.com>,
Rev. Magdalen <magdalen@subgenius.com> wrote:

>I think that the fear of the Church of the SubGenius being sued by Porridge
>is a lot like that fear that you get when you're on an airplane 1500 miles
>from home and you suddenly wonder, "Did I leave the oven on?" It's a
>completely pointless fear because there's nothing you can do about it in the
>first place, and in the second place, of course you didn't leave the oven
>on! Why would you leave the oven on? You weren't even cooking anything!

That wins the award for "alt.slack paragraph of the week"

I loved it.

>As for TOPY eventually "finding out" about our symbol, I doubt that the
>twenty or so members of TOPY will ever run across it, or notice the slight
>similarities if they did, as long as nobody writes any inflammatory
>articles, to be permanently archived on Google, stating that they think
>Jesus ripped off Porridge and stole his symbol.

heehee

--
-------
I have burped, farted, and sneezed at the same time, and I am still
alive. --Dan Povenmire, Los Angeles

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

Onan, Canobite wrote:
>
> If I have been unclear, let me state once more that I do not believe any
> SubGenius who discovered the 'SubGenius Logo' saw it previously in the
> TOPY context.

Not unclear, just a bit pompous and pedantic.

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From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:31:46 -0000, Onan Canobite <onan@subgenuis.com
wrote:
>I suggest sooner or later GPO will notice the
>'SubGenius Logo' and may consider it competition from another mail order
>mind control cult. Even after leaving / eviction from TOPY, he won his
>previous lawsuit against his own mail order mind control cult.

As has been pointed out, the Dobbs Ikon is hardly the only other
symbol out there that includes a three-tier cross in it. Has GPO sued
anyone else for copyright violation on it, or only TOPY? We don't
call it a "psychick cross," we call it the Dobbs Ikon. And we don't
call ourselves TOPY, we call ourselves the Church of the SubGenius.

I'd say it depends more on whether GPO is the type of person who'll
sue you on the drop of a hat.

--
First Online Church of "Bob"
http://www.modemac.com/

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From: pope_phil@subgenius.tvv (pope phil monty)

In future, perhaps we should avoid any image containing intersecting
straight lines... just to be safe...

Phireworks Phil Monty
Pope of the North of England
speaking for UK SubGenius Heresy.
incorporating the Church of Scatology and science of DIURETICS
_________________________________
"remember: If you`re not offending somebody, then you're not doing it right"

powered by /\/\\/\/<>\/\//\/\ @cix

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From: IPRC Info <info@iprc.org>

in article memo.20020728231031.177B@mwowm.compulink.co.uk, pope phil monty
at pope_phil@subgenius.tvv wrote on 7/28/02 3:00 PM:

> In future, perhaps we should avoid any image containing intersecting
> straight lines... just to be safe...

Now when we play "Hangman" we'll just have to use real body parts.

iggy topo

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From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>

"Uncle Onan Canobite" <onan@subgenius.com> wrote in message
news:4a45dd6.0207221839.3418a207@posting.google.com...
> If you take the 'SubGenius Logo' and remove the pipe, you have a
> psychick cross. The psychick cross is the symbol of the Temple of
> Psychick Youth, and is either owned by Genesis P. Orridge or owned by
> nobody, depending on who you believe. GPO is not a member of TOPY
> right now; he was either asked to leave or left on his own, depending
> on who you believe.

This is not true. I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, Uncle Onan, but I
was THERE when Jesus invented the Ikon, and I swear with complete sincerity
that he had absolutely no knowledge of the obscure "TOPY cross". He had
never heard of the Temple of Psychick Youth at all, in fact, until you told
him about it when you first saw the Ikon. Here is an approximation of the
conversation that led to the forming of the Ikon:

Jesus: "We need a symbol, something other than the Dobbshead, the kind of
thing that kids could easily spraypaint on a bridge without our permission."

Magdalen: "Well... maybe you could simplify the Dobbhead somehow..."

Jesus: "Hmmm, yes, like the spherical heads that comic book artists draw
before putting on facial features" (Jesus takes out his "How to Draw Marvel
Comic Book Figures" book) "Hmm... it says here you put a line down the
center to indicate the rounded plane of the face, then you add a line where
the mouth and eyes go... but let's not make the lines go all the way! Let's
measure the Dobbshead and have the lines be exactly as wide as the actual
eyes and mouth of Dobbs! And let's do the nose the same way! And of
course, add the pipe! There!! That's IT!! The new DOBBS IKON is born!!"

Also, this did not take place at the Amsterdam Devival, it took place either
before or afterward, because we were in the SubGenius Office when it
happened, where we had a number of Sacred Dobbsheads available for tracing.

Anyone can verify this story by superimposing the Ikon over the face of
Dobbs. It is then easy to see that the lines do, in fact, match perfectly
with the proportions of Dobbs's head. This also differs in a significant
way from the "TOPY cross" in that that symbol has its upper and lower
crossbars of equal length, and the distance between crossbars is equal,
while the Dobbs Ikon's lower crossbar is smaller than the upper one, just as
Dobbs's eyes are wider than his mouth, and the crossbars are not equally
spaced, they are spaced in proportion to the features of the Head.

I am so sorry that anyone would think the Mighty Church of the SubGenius
would steal the symbol of such an obscure and frankly unsuccessful group as
TOPY. That would be mean-spririted indeed! However, there really are only
so many things that one can do with horizontal and vertical lines, and it is
not surprising that some slight similarities may occur.

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From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:45:14 GMT, "Rev. Magdalen"
<magdalen@subgenius.com> wrote:

>Anyone can verify this story by superimposing the Ikon over the face of
>Dobbs. It is then easy to see that the lines do, in fact, match perfectly
>with the proportions of Dobbs's head.

Turn on your Javascript and go to: http://www.modemac.com/page4.html

Move down to the big Dobbshead on the page, and move your mouse onto
it. Rapidly move the mouse back and forth.

Oooooooohhh. Aaaaaaahhh.

That picture has been on my Web site for the past two years now.
HTH HAND YHBT TAANSTAFL GMTA.

--
First Online Church of "Bob"
http://www.modemac.com/

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From: "Reverend Sinphaltimus Exmortus" <RevSExmortus@nyc.rr.com>

It took me an hour to stop...talk about SLACK....

--

Sincerely yours, forever Bob's,

The Reverend Sinphaltimus Exmortus
of the
First Ever Digital Church of Mind Slack
http://www.Digital-Church.com
A Totally Independent Clench of
The Church of the SubGenius
THE SUBGENIUS FOUNDATION
PO BOX 204206
AUSTIN, TX 78720-4206
Send $1 and S.A.S.E. for more info
or visit www.subgenius.com
or email RevSExmortus@nyc.rr.com
or die pink or kill me
"Exterminate all rational thought" W.S.B.
16*2*!!

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <Xns92546A3F8FC1CCortezLegume18465086@128.242.171.114>,
Legume <none@yerbiz.com> wrote:

>
> A few years back, at XDay, Jesus approached me with the first of the silver
> Dobbs cross medallions and tried to sell me one for fifteen dollars.
>
> I asked him the origin of the icon, to which he replied, "You designed it,
> Legume". I didn't remember designing it, but the Lord filled in the blank
> spots. It turns out I was doodling a Dobbshead to prove I could draw one
> from memory. I'd doodled it in the Lords Slack Crusades diary. At the
> time, my memory was a bit fuzzy on it because I was probably all fropped to
> hell when I did it.
>
> I'd first drawn an oval for the head. I bisected it vertically to line up
> the center of the face. Then, I bisected it horizontally to line up the
> eyes. Halfway from the eyes to the chin, I drew another horizontal line,
> then another halfway down from that. I then drew a line for the pipe from
> that bottom line.

That was how He first showed it to me, drawing it on a napkin to show
how it formed "Bob's" face.

>
> Check out
> http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/church/50/drawfaces/page4.html and
> you'll see what I'm talking about.
>
> The bottom line: the icon was not at all derived from any trendy
> underground band, etc. It was derived from the simple face drawing
> technique I learned from reading John Buscema's "How to Draw Comics the
> Marvel Way" when I was a kid.

John Buscema STOLE that god damn technique from DOBBS!

If you are drawing The Thing or The Hulk, you have to use a much more
squat Dobbs Ikon.

>
> And finally, I said unto the Lord, "You got a lotta damn gall to take a
> symbol I created and then sell it without offering me a cut. And even more
> gall to try and sell it to ME."

Praise the Lord.

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@mindspring.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

>
>John Buscema STOLE that god damn technique from DOBBS!
>

Yeah, and doesn't Buscema's Conan look SUSPICIOUSLY like "Bob"?

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

They'll take my nudity when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers.

Rev. Ivan Stang


Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/

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From: gggor@io.com ( G G Gordon)

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:52:57 GMT, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

#That was how He first showed it to me, drawing it on a napkin to show
#how it formed "Bob's" face.
#
#>

Yeah, we know about yoyu and things written on napkins Stang!!!

ggg
"NOT ONE RED CENT FOR ENTROPY!"

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

In article <z1e%8.286$3W2.38427@news.uswest.net>, Blackout
<blackout@404subgenius.com> wrote:

>
> my original point was that it was like taking the swastika and changing
> the proportions around and then having to defend the "new design"
> because of the uncanny resemblence to something that a bunch of flaming
> dipshits had been carving into each other's arms for long enough to
> make the design their own.
>
> I suppose when some TOPY dork comes up and grabs your balls and starts
> whispering "hou do I lov thee?" into your ear you because they saw your
> icon necklace and figured you were a vacuum waiting to be "filled" you
> could always whip out a set of calipers and point out the DISTINCT
> SPACING DIFFERENCES to them and hope for the best.
>
>

You're much more likely to have a stranger on the street point out that
the Dobbshead on your shirt is PLAINLY stolen from the estate of Mark
Trail/Dick Van Dyke/Mister Appleton/ DEVO's first album.

--

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From: "Blackout" <blackout@404subgenius.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote

>
>
> You're much more likely to have a stranger on the street point out
that
> the Dobbshead on your shirt is PLAINLY stolen from the estate of Mark
> Trail/Dick Van Dyke/Mister Appleton/ DEVO's first album.

one time a buddy of mine had on one of the shirts I had printed up a
long time ago with a great big smiling milky white fashion model in a
black turtleneck cutting a huge flintstone steak with a gigantic butcher
knife with a blood red background with "WE ARE MEAT" printed at the top
of it. I had replaced her eyes with one giant blue one and one small
green one and set them at jaunty angles and put a way bigger smiling
toothy mouth turned upside down so it was like SNARLING with gigantic
eyes hanging off the sides of her head. some hippie walked up to us and
said "hey man, like, what does your shirt MEAN?" and J jumps up in his
face and flips him off about 1/2" from his eyes and hollers " IT MEANS
DON'T LOOK AT MY FUCKING SHIRT".

strangers pointing things out to you are actually pretty cool when you
think about it.

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From: dinosaurbob@comcast.net (dinosaurbob)

"Blackout" <blackout@404subgenius.com> wrote in message news:<c7j%8.4$t5.4529@news.uswest.net>...

Reminds me of a story when my wife and I were waiting in a line and I
noticed some Xtian fuck looking at her Natural Born Killers t-shirt
and making some kind of face. She didn't see him do it so when he
finally decided to say something to her along the lines of "People
judge you for a shirt like that..." or whatever he was going to say he
didn't get a chance because when I saw him make his move I made mine
and said "Hey, why don't you take a look at MY shirt?"

My shirt had a picture of Dennis Hopper as Frank Booth in the movie
Blue Velvet with his gas mask to his face. Under the picture it said,
"Don't You Fucking Look At Me!" He looked at that and looked at me and
turned around and shut the hell up.

+Dinosaurbob+

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From: IPRC Info <info@iprc.org>

in article 63b56953.0207281902.51efcfe2@posting.google.com, dinosaurbob at
dinosaurbob@comcast.net wrote on 7/28/02 8:02 PM:

> My shirt had a picture of Dennis Hopper as Frank Booth in the movie
> Blue Velvet with his gas mask to his face. Under the picture it said,
> "Don't You Fucking Look At Me!" He looked at that and looked at me and
> turned around and shut the hell up.

When I wear my "GO AWAY, I HAVE ENOUGH FRIENDS" shirt, people come up to me
and say "Nice shirt!" I have since learned to wear it only when I am in a
pleasant and sociable mood...

iggy

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From: IPRC Info <info@iprc.org>

in article 230720021254481307%stang@subgenius.com, Rev. Ivan Stang at
stang@subgenius.com wrote on 7/23/02 9:54 AM:

> You're much more likely to have a stranger on the street point out that
> the Dobbshead on your shirt is PLAINLY stolen from the estate of Mark
> Trail/Dick Van Dyke/Mister Appleton/ DEVO's first album.

Leave us not forget Evil Father Bing. Uncle Onan and I saw a Bing Crosby
Xmas CD in, I donno, Barnes and Noble last November there it all was: THAT
smile, THAT pipe, et&c. Holy Makerel was I a'skeered? I should say so!

Now drink your Florida orange juice, son, or I'll beat the living shit out
of you.

Sorry, I was channeling...

iggy topo

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From: wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)

In article <230720021254481307%stang@subgenius.com>,
Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

>You're much more likely to have a stranger on the street point out that
>the Dobbshead on your shirt is PLAINLY stolen from the estate of Mark
>Trail/Dick Van Dyke/Mister Appleton/ DEVO's first album.
>
>--

I once had a dealer at a gun show insist it was National
Lampoon's Politeness Man.
Never argue with a man with a table full of guns.

Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!

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From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>

"Legume" <none@yerbiz.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92546A3F8FC1CCortezLegume18465086@128.242.171.114...

> And finally, I said unto the Lord, "You got a lotta damn gall to take a
> symbol I created and then sell it without offering me a cut. And even more
> gall to try and sell it to ME."
>
> So overcome by my words of truth was the Lord, that he gave unto me a free
> icon pendant with a suggested retail value of 15 dollars. Then he went
unto
> the masses profiteering from my creation ever since.
>
> And thus was the Dobbs Cross icon born unto the Earth to be burned and
peed
> upon and of course emblazoned upon the fine quality products that fill
> those t-shirt-shaped holes in your lives.
>
> Amen.

Well, I'm not saying that Jesus made up that story just to try to sell you a
pendant, and then panicked when you saw through the logical flaws in that
idea, but alls I can say is that you must have subconsciously planted the
seed in His mind for the Ikon because when He came up with it He thought it
was all His own idea. Luckily, He too had a "Draw the Marvel® Way" book,
and so was able to duplicate your original drawing experiment. That must
have been what made Him later recall that you had in fact already drawn it
earlier.

All of this should make for some great Holy Wars a thousand years from now!
I hope that in that glorious day, a Marvellian faction arises, because it is
clear from both these stories that there would never have been an Ikon if
there had not been "Draw the Marvel® Way" drawing books! And let the
warring factions of the future not forget MODEMAC, who added the CIRCLE to
the outside of the cross!

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From: "Reverend Sinphaltimus Exmortus" <RevSExmortus@nyc.rr.com>

"Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com> wrote in message
news:3%f%8.165412$eF5.4404735@twister.austin.rr.com...

> All of this should make for some great Holy Wars a thousand years from
now!
> I hope that in that glorious day,

Why wait? Let's crucify Legume right now and forget all about Jesus.

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From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:02:55 GMT, "Rev. Magdalen"
<magdalen@subgenius.com> wrote:
>who added the CIRCLE to
>the outside of the cross!

The circle was part of the original silver Icon pendant, and I thought
it was always meant to be part of the Icon. Indeed, the first posting
of the Icon to alt.binaries.slack, at 6:59 AM on July 5th 2000,
included a circle. I *like* the circle and I consider it to be an
important part of the Icon, though the "actual" Icon without the
circle is perfectly acceptable as well.

I've just re-posted the Icon-With-Circle to alt.binaries.slack, so
that you can compare it to the Psychick Crosssss and see that the two
are *exactly* alike.

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

"Rev. Magdalen" wrote:
> And let the
> warring factions of the future not forget MODEMAC, who added the CIRCLE to
> the outside of the cross!
>

Well I added all the white parts.

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@mindspring.com>

http://www.mycgiserver.com/servlet/JoeCosby.GoatmealServlet?site=http://www.subgenius.com/updates/updates.html

You got some good topy-speakisms in there, I got to add them to my
servlet.

"Thee funny thing about thiis is thaat" lol

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

What if we'd just QUIT when Albert Einstein bombed Pearl Harbor? We'd all be
eating Matzoh ball soup and learning physics in school, that's what!


Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/

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From: prostata@bronze.coil.com (The Stinking Bishop Prostata Cantata MP)

In article <z1e%8.286$3W2.38427@news.uswest.net>,
Blackout <blackout@404subgenius.com> wrote:
>I suppose when some TOPY dork comes up and grabs your balls and starts
>whispering "hou do I lov thee?" into your ear you because they saw your
>icon necklace and figured you were a vacuum waiting to be "filled" you
>could always whip out a set of calipers and point out the DISTINCT
>SPACING DIFFERENCES to them and hope for the best.

exactly why I keep a set of calipers on my person at ALL TIMES

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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

In article <Xns92546A3F8FC1CCortezLegume18465086@128.242.171.114>,
Legume <none@yerbiz.com> wrote:

> And thus was the Dobbs Cross icon born unto the Earth to be burned and peed
> upon and of course emblazoned upon the fine quality products that fill
> those t-shirt-shaped holes in your lives.

The hole in my life is Connie fish shaped. And what a damny fine hole
it is. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Scuse me while I spend some face-down
quality time in that there hole.

Her Ladyship Lilith

--
--=8=-- \m/ --=8=-- http://lilith.foolspress.com/ --=8=-- \m/ --=8=--
You'll say that the 50's isn't the present, but we'll have to differ on
that. -- RLan538885 in 20020617153210.12229.00001550@mb-fe.aol.com

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From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>

"Uncle Onan Canobite" <onan@subgenius.com> wrote in message
news:4a45dd6.0207221839.3418a207@posting.google.com...
> If you take the 'SubGenius Logo' and remove the pipe, you have a
> psychick cross.

AND another thing! It is an IKON, not a "Logo". AND if you "remove the
pipe" from DOBBS HIMSELF then he's just a GUY, not a LIVING AVATAR OF SLACK,
so I think it's pretty fucking important that there DOES just HAPPEN to be a
PIPE on our IKON.

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From: gggor@io.com ( G G Gordon)

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:04:30 GMT, "Rev. Magdalen"
<magdalen@subgenius.com> wrote:

#
#"Uncle Onan Canobite" <onan@subgenius.com> wrote in message
#news:4a45dd6.0207221839.3418a207@posting.google.com...
#> If you take the 'SubGenius Logo' and remove the pipe, you have a
#> psychick cross.
#
#AND another thing! It is an IKON, not a "Logo". AND if you "remove
the
#pipe" from DOBBS HIMSELF then he's just a GUY, not a LIVING AVATAR OF
SLACK,
#so I think it's pretty fucking important that there DOES just HAPPEN
to be a
#PIPE on our IKON.
#
#
#
I agree, I think we ought to spank Onan for even daring to utter
such heresy!!!!

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

G G Gordon wrote:
>
> I think we ought to spank Onan for even daring to utter
> such heresy!!!!
>

It's not as much fun as you might think.


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