From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Jul 23, 2002 2:16 PM
I have taken some time to put together a visual comparison
of these two
symbols over on alt.binaries.slack, clearly showing
how the Ikon is based on
the proportions of Dobbs's head, and how it differs
from the cross of the
"TOPY" group, which is based on a WWII warning
symbol and on medieval Papal
crosses.
No doubt many people, probably including Jesus Himself,
would tell me not to
bother, since it isn't such a big deal, and it doesn't
matter whether or not
people become convinced that we stole the Ikon, since
Ikon merchandise is
selling like hotcakes anyway. But it DOES matter to
me. It bothers me very
much that people would say we ripped off some stupid
pagan mystery cult,
because I was THERE when the Ikon was created, and I
am seething with wrath
that people would think of my honest testimony as some
sort of "second-hand"
story, and become obsessed with the idea that I, personally,
am a liar and
that a vague coincidental resemblance to something no
one has ever heard of
is more compelling evidence than my word.
Putting aside the overwhelming visual physical evidence,
the Ikon is not in
any way related to the "TOPY cross" because
I SAY SO, and if anyone wishes
to disagree with me, he may apply in person at X-Day
for physical
chastisement.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@mindspring.com>
otoh stealing from TOPY has a kind of elegance to it.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
You're out of your mind Bennie; you should take more
drugs.
Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/
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From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>
"Joe Cosby" <joecosby@mindspring.com>
wrote in message
news:ve9rjucbef2d302p2uekh7or8071c536q3@4ax.com...
>
> otoh stealing from TOPY has a kind of elegance
to it.
That's true, and the Lord says "Stealing someone
else's symbol and sticking
a pipe on it is a very SubGenius thing to do, and would
have been a funny
joke." But, funny or not, that is NOT what happened.
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From: gggor@io.com ( G G Gordon)
I dunno Mags, looks like the Cross of Lorraine holding
a Masonic
rule.
ggg
"NOT ONE RED CENT FOR ENTROPY!"
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From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>
" G G Gordon" <gggor@io.com> wrote in
message
news:3d3db02a.104210090@news.io.com...
>
> I dunno Mags, looks like the Cross of Lorraine
holding a Masonic
> rule.
GAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
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From: Legume <none@yerbiz.com>
Rev. Magdalen wrote:
> it doesn't matter
> whether or not people become convinced that we
stole the Ikon, since
> Ikon merchandise is selling like hotcakes anyway.
I lloked all over SubSite and could not find any hotcakes.
I would like
some of these hotcakes very much please and thank you.
Legume
--
"Civilization will not attain to its perfection
until the last stone from
the last church falls on the last priest" - - -
Emile Zola
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From: Two Beans <twobeans@godhatesyou.com>
On 23 Jul 2002 14:40:02 -0500, Legume <none@yerbiz.com> wrote:
>
>I lloked all over SubSite and could not find any
hotcakes. I would like
>some of these hotcakes very much please and thank
you.
>
I agree with this post.
-2B
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From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu>
"Rev. Magdalen" wrote:
> No doubt many people, probably including Jesus
Himself, would tell me not to
> bother, since it isn't such a big deal, and it
doesn't matter whether or not
> people become convinced that we stole the Ikon,
since Ikon merchandise is
> selling like hotcakes anyway. But it DOES matter
to me. It bothers me very
> much that people would say we ripped off some stupid
pagan mystery cult,
> because I was THERE when the Ikon was created,
and I am seething with wrath
> that people would think of my honest testimony
as some sort of "second-hand"
> story, and become obsessed with the idea that I,
personally, am a liar and
> that a vague coincidental resemblance to something
no one has ever heard of
> is more compelling evidence than my word.
>
> Putting aside the overwhelming visual physical
evidence, the Ikon is not in
> any way related to the "TOPY cross" because
I SAY SO, and if anyone wishes
> to disagree with me, he may apply in person at
X-Day for physical
> chastisement.
If we don't disagree, can we just pay a fee to get in?
If not, I disagree. or something.
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From: "Blackout" <blackout@404subgenius.com>
I don't think anybody stole it, I just think the fact
that it looks
enough like the TOPY dork logo that you have to measure
it up to get
theee behind it anally torpedos it for all times.
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From: David White <dave@i-one.at>
Blackout wrote:
>
> I don't think anybody stole it, I just think the
fact that it looks
> enough like the TOPY dork logo that you have to
measure it up to get
> theee behind it anally torpedos it for all times.
>
Anyway, I always thought that the porportion of forehead
to face in The
Marvel Way was supposed to be roughly the portion of
gin to Martini in a
martini cocktail.
(This Is NOT A Conincidence.)
Most representations of the Ikon I've seen just don't "measure up".
That said, this would hardly be the first time the Church
has taken a
logo of questionable taste and abused it to its own
ends. Consider the
various Pipe-swastika combos floating around, like on
the SubGenius
Internet Radio Ministry page.
so, what's the deal?
std::
and if there's no deal, what then?
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From: "Alliekatt" <alleykatzen@hotmail.com>
"Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>
wrote in message
news:g4h%8.166150$eF5.4412067@twister.austin.rr.com...
> Putting aside the overwhelming visual physical
evidence, the Ikon is not
in
> any way related to the "TOPY cross" because
I SAY SO, and if anyone wishes
> to disagree with me, he may apply in person at
X-Day for physical
> chastisement.
I fuckin' octuple dog dare Genesis Exxxxodus Magickkkkul
Q. Oatmeal Porridge
Kiddietoucher to show up at XDay and whine about his
fucking TOPY copyright,
when the whole magickkkkkkkkkkkkkul pus-clutch of little
goth heroin spikers
that were his followers, now hate him for copyrighting
it.
SHEEIT, we all in the know, know that the BOB IKON is
about BOB and if any
hepatitis limey wants to whine about minor resemblance
of somebody else's
hamburger to his hamburger, then I'll get out the 6
foot barbecue skewer and
thread it through those 3-gauge prince albert, nipple,
and lip rings MYSEFF
so's I can make me a REAL BBQ muffuckin' SAMMITCH.
Well, that's what fakir rings are for, right? So Subgeniuses
can HANG 'em
self-mutilating mo-rons up to TENDERIZE for a little
while before the roast.
Years of coke and heroin are the cajun-style injected
SEASONING, and alcohol
plus barbituates makes one kick ass marinade, and the
longer the goth swills
in all of it, the TASTIER it is even if he LOOKS like
one stringy ass piece
a nuthin'.
mm-MMMM!!!!!! Somebody get me a nakkin, I'ze 'bout
to start SLOBBIN' all
over myself.
alliekatt
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@mindspring.com>
>mm-MMMM!!!!!! Somebody get me a nakkin, I'ze 'bout
to start SLOBBIN' all
>over myself.
>
>alliekatt
>
THE SPIRIT HAS TAKEN HER!
WITNESS, SISTER!
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
"The doughnut has existed since the beginning of
time."
-- http://www.mel-o-cream.com/facts.html
Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>
"Rev. Magdalen" wrote:
>
> I have taken some time to put together a visual
comparison of these two
> symbols over on alt.binaries.slack, clearly showing
how the Ikon is based on
> the proportions of Dobbs's head, and how it differs
from the cross of the
> "TOPY" group, which is based on a WWII
warning symbol and on medieval Papal
> crosses.
>
> No doubt many people, probably including Jesus
Himself, would tell me not to
> bother, since it isn't such a big deal, and it
doesn't matter whether or not
> people become convinced that we stole the Ikon,
since Ikon merchandise is
> selling like hotcakes anyway. But it DOES matter
to me. It bothers me very
> much that people would say we ripped off some stupid
pagan mystery cult,
> because I was THERE when the Ikon was created,
and I am seething with wrath
> that people would think of my honest testimony
as some sort of "second-hand"
> story, and become obsessed with the idea that I,
personally, am a liar and
> that a vague coincidental resemblance to something
no one has ever heard of
> is more compelling evidence than my word.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I think these
points of
church history are very important, and that Onan's report
is based
more on his pre-existing knowledge base (and a perfectly
understandable desire to display his erudition) than
on the TRUTH.
The truth is that even fewer people have heard of TOPY
than "Bob" and
only in a very few cases has a person heard of both.
Much less
listened to the records.
>
> Putting aside the overwhelming visual physical
evidence, the Ikon is not in
> any way related to the "TOPY cross" because
I SAY SO, and if anyone wishes
> to disagree with me, he may apply in person at
X-Day for physical
> chastisement.
I want mine now.
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