From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2004
What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that
has such
disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church
leader touch you
inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have
something about
door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass?
I mean, not
like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity,
but for the sake
of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares
what you
think of Christians, except for readers like myself
which have to scan
over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining
about
Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow
up already.
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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>
I think your post is a prime example.
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From: rex_mondo@hotmail.com (RevCarterLeBlanc)
To remove the humor is to remove the issue. If you can't
take
it...fuck you. Cuz that's what we do.
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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Oh, you underestimate us. We don't have disdain
*just* for Xtians, we have disdain for lots of
different religions, philosophies, belief systems,
*and* the mindlessness of those who insist they
have none.
Xtianity comes in for special consideration most
likely because it is the predominant annoyance.
A silly religion, really, whose permutations get
sillier and sillier, yet whose adherents clog and
fester every part of these United States and its
even modestly secular organizations, pestering
those who want no part of it. Fortunately, but
only recently, do they use less violence then the
Wahabbi Moslem in doing this; but memories of
violation remain strong among we, the unwashed in
the mythological blood of the nice Jewish Lamb.
Which is not to say that Xtians cannot be brutal,
cruel, stubbornly stupid, astoudingly arrogant,
and politically ambitious to control and dominate
others with their fantasies; any more than can any
other religion or creed; it's just that they are
the dominant group here. And that they, for the
time being at least, have tapered off on their
coercion and brutality, giving us an opening.
It has been and is the duty of the cynic and the
scoffer to confront true believers and those who
use them throughout history. To sneer and fart in
their general direction, to expose their nakedness
despite claims of fine clothing, to stomp on their
feet of clay, and to point out that the sound tube
running hidden from their high priest to the mouth
of their graven image would sound better if it had
a reed inside so their god would make more squacky
noises like Donald Duck.
We are usually killed for our presumptuousness, but
leave the faithful with that annoying afterthought:
"Why do the heathen laugh?"
--
Fukem if jokay take not.
-- nu-monet
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From: Rev DJ Epoch <nunyabiz@noway.com>
They *never* seem to have a sense of humor. And nowhere
was that ever so
blatantly apparent than at the Southern Baptist Convention
headquarters
in Atlanta. Back in the 80's I used to work on copiers
for a living, and
one of the accounts in my territory was the SBC.
They had a "problem child" of a copier that
required almost weekly
attention, and one day I'd had enough, walked in, set
the tool kit down,
placed my hand on the top and said "Evil demons
come OUT!" The office
secretary gave me a look that would have caused Judas
to spontaneously
combust and said "You can't say that! That's BLASPHEMY!!"
I just gave her
a bored look and said "Well, it's ACTING like it's
posessed, and it
always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned
the optics with holy
water..."
I was told by the boss later that they said under NO
curcumstances to
ever send me there again. I just gave him a grin and
said "I don't know
WHY... I WAS speaking their language."
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
A lack of a sense of humor is often characteristic of
a lack of
self-insight. Maybe that's the funniest thing of all
about
Christians, because their religion starts, really, with
this Jewish
preacher who was really only saying "don't just
mindlessly go through
the motions, you have to really look inside yourself".
But if you have great, gaping contradictions inside
yourself then you
can't afford to look inside yourself. Because you'll
FIX them and
ruin everything. And Christianity, certainly in it's
modern form,
starts with an act of Orwellian double-think. "I
believe even though
I don't believe". There's no theological reason
not to make jokes
about demons (as long as you don't say the demon's name),
the problem
is that doing so forces them to think about the double-think
outside
of the hypnotic, isolated atmosphere of the tent revival
where their
rational mind is shut off. In the cold light of day
in mundane
settings. Where the idea seems KIND OF STUPID. Which
is exactly what
they don't want to face.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Because we killed Christ.
Pilate was the Lee Harvey Oswald of his time.
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From: "Dunter Powries" <fech.redcaps@spedlin>
Attempts at humor are all we have. Damn you, man.
Dunty Porteous,
Human Sacrifice
--
"It was a just and marvelous judgement of God,
that this place should be
filled with the blood of unbelievers."
-Raymond of Aguilers
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"stg-delfuego" <djcameron60616@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?)
that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians? (snip)
Because SHUT UP.
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
Well that "question" just turned into a pretty
weak whiny semi-rant so
SHUT UP.
But the answer is that every religion, EVERY religion,
makes sense to
those who believe in it and looks pathetic and stupid
to those who
don't. You moron.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Some religions make more sense than others. The old
"all religions
are equal so let's just not argue about it" line
is a bunch of
new-agey appeasatory intellectually bankrupt bullshit.
All religions have some line of bullshit or another,
or they wouldn't
be religions, they'd be businesses. But some religions
are
passionately devoted to hiding their heads in the sand
and keeping
their kids out of schools that might expose them to
evil Satanic
doctrines like evolution or geometry or spelling, and
others aren't.
In Tibet monks have to learn how to argue. It's part
of their
religion. Part of their education, considered a critical
part, is to
learn how to reason logically, how to defend a proposition
in an
argument, and how to recognize when their position has
been
invalidated. I've seen photos of them doing it, waving
their arms
passionately in the air and getting in each other's
faces. If it
weren't for the orange bathrobes you'd think they were
on Usenet.
That and the fact that they are actually using logic,
which would be
pretty foreign for Usenet.
Meanwhile Christians are OFFENDED if you try to teach
their children
well-established, well-investigated sciences like archaeology
or
evolution. They've accepted medieval cosmology as the
One Only Really
True Truth and take GREAT PRIDE in not allowing their
beliefs to be
subject to scrutiny or even a moment's logical thought.
To them,
that's FAITH.
That's not all of why I find Christians moronic and
comical but it's a
good start.
--
Joe Cosby
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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>
Well, I prefer religions that don't make sense to those
that believe in
'em either. Damned if I want a religion for the slack-jawed
mouth
breathing SHEEP-like masses that need to be told what
to think, becuase
they're incapable of independent thought. It says something
that
Christianity refers to it's followers as sheep. Stupid
animals, easily
lost, and fair game for any of a number of predators.
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From: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
When I was in the third grade, I was kicked out of Sunday
school for ASKING TOO
MANY QUESTIONS! (this is not an attempt at humor, its
the truth)
With a few rare exceptions, most of the major Christain
Sects are nothing but a
hytocrites. Who seem to be able to find a passage in
theBible condeming
anything YOU do but upholding anything THEY do. Even
when teh teachings of the
one guy who gave their religion a name contardicts everything
they say!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
I chose to be baptized into the body of Christ when
I was 13 because
at the time, with only Granny's pies and a limited amount
of science
fiction and counterculture hijinks under my belt, it
seemed like a
sensible commitment to make to a larger world wherein
a certain base
civility and heart were accepted as the proper starting
point of any
human endeavor.
THEN I began to get pancreas-rot from the hypocrisy,
the idiocy, the
puckered pontification, the misreading of even the watered-down,
Latin-dismissing King James version of the Bible that
is most commonly
used, the things I read about the Children's Crusade,
the Catholic
Church's near-collusion with the Nazis and the face-clawing
LAMENESS
of most of the participants. My parents raged and screamed
at their
children and at one another like petty fools, yet still
behaved as if
they were God's Own, apart from their actual attitudes
and behavior.
It became clear to me that this cadre of vicious Eloi
were more alien
to me than a volcanic vent worm.
They did not practice what they preached and their
preaching was
terrible anyway. The ONE preacher who made a positive
impact on me was
brother Asa Blankenship. He filled in one Sunday and
based his sermon
on following the Word carefully. He then blew me away
by winding it up
and saying "... and so you can see that if you
follow the Word
absolutely and faithfully, you will paint yourself into
a corner and
dishonor both yourself and God's intent FOR you, because
the Bible is
a guide, not a blunt object. You have to live and breathe
and apply it
to each new challenge or trial, as a THINKING Christian,
or you have
failed in His plan for you. He does not think for you;
that's YOUR
job. Its to make your mistakes as King David did, yet
learn from them
and justify Christ's sacrifice, becoming a willing participant
in His
grand plan."
Aside from that shining and logical moment, the rest
have made me
puke, so when Satan, Jesus, Elvis and "Bob"
sat me down and gave me my
first drink o' corn likker, I was set straight and proceeded
on my
rightful course of creative general sin, full-bore lesbianism,
breakdancing blasphemy, tax-evasion, gut-blowout laughs
and whatever
else defines Hellpopism, which varies depending on the
day, the
company, the amount of gas I emit and which direction
the wind is
blowing.
I hope this helps, you whiny little toad turd. God
Bless you and
PRAISE "BOB!"
--
HellPope Huey
Crouching HellPope, Hidden PillMonkey
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb
voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The Law is mighty stupid in its implementation
and slower than a Special Olympics medal winner
playing chess with a Simpsons set.
- HellPope Huey
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
stg-delfuego <djcameron60616@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?)
that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians?
If you guys would switch to little statues of the Virgin
Mary hanging
on a cross in just her drawers, or, better, pole dancing,
*I* for one
might be a little more into it. You can't fool me, eternity
is just a
fairy tale that some mathematicians dreamed up to freak
out little kids
and stoners.
But to stop being facetious. With all due respect, you
just
BALD-FACEDLY asked SubGenii to answer something about
RELIGION without
even ATTEMPTING humor; what else CAN you expect?
That said, I will attempt to answer your question quite
seriously and
without sarcasm.
I am not like some of my less tolerant or broad-minded
fellow SubGenii.
You are right, many of them are angry. I have a certain
sympathy for
believers, myself. I was raised in a family that could
best be
described as secular humanist, and was taught comparative
religion from
that standpoint, and perhaps because of that I don't
have a personal
bone to pick with any religion especially. I find the
entire sweep of
human belief to be fascinating, and I don't mean from
a Spock-like,
logical perspective, either. I have believed in many
miraculous things
in my day.
And I still believe in miracles. Miracles are all around
us. Some will
be surprised that I would say that. But yes, I truly
believe that
supernatural miracles happen all around us constantly.
And the most
miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is a fucking
miracle that
people can believe such utter bullshit.
And yet that hogwash and flim-flam brings millions deep,
much needed
comfort and succor -- real help and calm, in a world
full of
uncertainty and hardship. Yes, faith itself proves there
are miracles.
It is the most fantastic miracle of all.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> ... the most
> miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is
a fucking miracle that
> people can believe such utter bullshit.
Today, little Ivan, you have earned your $30.
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
"ghost" <ghost@ghost.net> wrote in message
news:<y0K7c.7357$tY6.211325@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> "stg-delfuego" <djcameron60616@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
> news:6b28e43f.0403221156.4e274810@posting.google.com...
> > What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?)
that has such
> > disdain for Christianity or Christians? (snip)
>
> Because SHUT UP.
I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8 posters
had fairly
intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut up.
I can accept a
couple things. One, not everyone has to believe what
others believe.
Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient
at times. Since I am not
pushing anything in the area of religion on you (minimal
at least),
and since this was a convenient time, you just seem
hostile. Is
anything wrong?
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From: "Dunter Powries" <fech.redcaps@spedlin>
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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From: wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com>
In alt.slack "SHUT UP!" is a running joke.
Just though you ought to know.
Cheerful Charlie
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
wbarwell wrote:
> In alt.slack "SHUT UP!" is a running
joke.
> Just though you ought to know.
SHUT UP
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"stg-delfuego" <djcameron60616@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8
posters had fairly
> intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut
up. I can accept a
> couple things. One, not everyone has to believe
what others believe.
> Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient
at times. Since I am not
> pushing anything in the area of religion on you
(minimal at least),
> and since this was a convenient time, you just
seem hostile. Is
> anything wrong?
These are Church matters of which you are apparently ignorant.
First, SHUT UP. This we say in honor of one of the younger
Elders of the
Church, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned In Polite
Company. Its origin
is thought to be based on the lost writings of Saint
Ring Lardner Jr.
(http://tinyurl.com/3h58t) At any time this sacred phrase
may be invoked,
and in fact is often used as a greeting.
Second, the unfettered use of ALL CAPS has been granted
to us by the Scribe
for ALL TIME.
Now, onto the question regarding the ridicule of Christians
and Christian
beliefs.
Why do I do this?
A. It's fun.
B. It's easy.
C. Being fun AND easy, it's easy to be funny about it.
D. A lot of the posters to alt.slack are VERY funny.
E. Humor is a potent political weapon.
Now, SHUT UP.
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
SHUT UP is the most intelligent reply possible. And
"no, I will *NOT*
shut up" is the stupidest possible response. What's
wrong is that you
got an answer to your question and didn't like what
you got. You get
what you get and you can feel any way you want to about
it. The way you
want to feel about it shows what kind of person you
are. I this case,
querulous and impermeable.
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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>
wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> babbled:
> Joe Cosby wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:19:30 -0500, wbarwell
>> <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anti-intellectualism anti-evolution, anti-science,
prop far right wing
>>> all
>>> too often Homophobic, misogynistic, angry
white male Limbaugh swilling
>>> shitheads.
>>
>> homerphobic?
>>
>> They don't like Homer?
>>
> Homophobic.
>
> "Jebus!" - Homer Simpson.
> They probably don't like Homer either.
Consider how Homer treats Ned Flanders.
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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>
stg-delfuego <djcameron60616@yahoo.com> babbled:
> I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8
posters had fairly
> intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut
up. I can accept a
> couple things. One, not everyone has to believe
what others believe.
> Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient
at times. Since I am not
> pushing anything in the area of religion on you
(minimal at least),
> and since this was a convenient time, you just
seem hostile. Is
> anything wrong?
HOSTILE! HOW DARE YOU FUCKING CALL US HOSTILE!
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> Today, little Ivan, you have earned your $30.
Thank you very much. I am so glad that somebody is still
reading
closely enough to notice stuff like that. Honest to
god, I was ready
for a few posts from the agitated skimmers going "HAW
HAW, Stang's gone
all soft, trying to placate Right Wing Christians and
Evil Republicans
now."
That particular line pooped out of my mouth during a
radio show last
Sunday. Actually pretty much ALL my good lines, such
as they are, come
during live radio shows. As you have no doubt observed,
if I'm sitting
here calmly signifying on alt.slack, I'm just not all
that swuft. If
nobody's looking at me in real-time I'm dull and stupid.
Only when the
red light goes on and I know somebody's out there waiting
for me to
fuck up does my confidence come bounding in like a train
about to
crash.
Now, having said my mean thing about faith, I would
also like to say
that it turns my stomach to see knee-jerk "SubGeniuses"
make blanket
statements about "those stupid Christians"
or "those stupid
Republicans," which might as well be just like
saying "those stupid
niggers" or "those greedy Jews," or "all
Muslims hate women." The mind
set is the same old "We're brilliant Us and They're
dumb old Them."
Pointing out the inate dumbness of that kind of "thinking",
isolating
the locii where the dumbness starts, is one of the main
points of
several satirical put-on religions that I can think
of. And wouldn't
you know it, that MAIN POINT is the very one MOST OFTEN
MISSED.
I have known PLENTY of Christians, and Republicans,
and Christian
Republicans, who were smarter, funnier, kinder, and
generally more
thoughtfully and practically constructive in life than
MOST of the
"SubGenii" I know. MOST. I'll say it again.
MOST. (A couple of these
Republican Christians ARE SubGeniuses, incidentally)
Nonetheless I too spend more mock-time mocking Christians
and
Republicans myself than I do mocking other groups. Reason
being, I'm an
American in the Midwest (more or less) and those happen
to be the two
largest organized groups that get in my face, LATELY.
But that's bullshit too. Those groups don't get in my
face. INDIVIDUALS
get in my face by getting behind dumb-fuck laws and
wars and such that
affect me or my pals.
So, while I think it's dumb to be a Christian, or a
Republican, or a
Democrat, or an unfunny SubGenius, I think the habit
of thinking in
sweeping generalizations is a more BASIC dumbness which
transcends all
isms, and can make smug P.C. "Bob"-praisin'
Good Pot-Smoking Liberals
into brainless fascist lynch-mob bullies IN THE BLINK
OF AN EYE.
Let that be my sweeping generality.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
ghost <ghost@ghost.net> wrote:
> These are Church matters of which you are apparently
ignorant.
>
> First, SHUT UP. This we say in honor of one of
the younger Elders of the
> Church, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned In
Polite Company.
Uh-oh! I'm out of the loop again.
> Its origin
> is thought to be based on the lost writings of
Saint Ring Lardner Jr.
> (http://tinyurl.com/3h58t) At any time this sacred
phrase may be invoked,
> and in fact is often used as a greeting.
I've seen it used almost as a kind of "applause."
> Second, the unfettered use of ALL CAPS has been
granted to us by the Scribe
> for ALL TIME.
I would love to take credit, but I must pass that honor
over to the
writers, inkers and letterers of Marvel Comics.
> Now, SHUT UP.
No, YOU shut up.
((See? It is like the music of children heard from the
backseat of the
car on the way to school. A lilting melody to the SubGenius
ear.))
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> I would love to take credit, but I must pass that
honor over to the
> writers, inkers and letterers of Marvel Comics.
I thought it was Herbert W. Armstrong's "The World Tomorrow".
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
I think I've heard Dr. Drummond mention that, which
might explain why
he TALKS in all-caps.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
"Alliekatt" <alleykatzen@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ow, this kid is kicking me right in the intestines. Damn I gotta shit.
I think this statement goes a long way in answering
the original
poster's query. It deals with the "why do you hate"
part; it describes
the general process of religion when taken beyond the
merest surface
value; and most importantly, it also shows that your
offspring is, in
utero, already with the Program of being a real Yeti.
Kick early, kick often and if possible, kick the inner
lid of your
coffin a bit so as to scare the crap out of the mourners
who will
hopefully be at your wake, drinking up liquor whose
purchase will
delay the paying of the funeral parlor bill because
the place is run
by pushy, sniffing Christians who made you at least
partially glad to
go in the first place. 24-32-666-999, HIKE!
--
HellPope Huey
I was an alien crossdresser for SETI, the FBI,
the DAR
and the Harvey Firestein High-Kick Revue
"You're an inspiration to inbred morons everywhere."
- "King of the Hill"
Seeing a murder on television...
can help work off one's antagonisms.
And if you haven't any antagonisms,
the commercials will give you some.
- Alfred Hitchcock
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From: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Dragon wrote:
>How can you have humor without religion to rag on?
Well, we still have Minorities and people who dress differant form us!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
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From: Doktor DynaSoar <targeting@OMCL.mil>
djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)wrote:
} What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?)
that has such
} disdain for Christianity or Christians?
They're tough and stringy and impossible to barbeque on the grill.
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
stg-delfuego wrote:
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?)
that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians?
[snip crappy rant]
I AM one, so I feel I can speak with some authority on the subject:
A lot of them can't take a joke.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
And they get all mad if you try to fuck them.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"My energies are much better spent teaching people
to eat pork than teaching
pigs to be civilized."
- (Dr K. "Cortez" Legume)
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From: wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com>
Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> wbarwell wrote:
>> stg-delfuego wrote:
>>>"ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
wrote in message:
>>>>"stg-delfuego" <djcameron60616@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>>>What is it about some of you (all
fo you almost?) that has such
>>>>>disdain for Christianity or Christians?
(snip)
>>>>
>>>>Because SHUT UP.
>>>
>>>I really am saddened by you.
>>
>> In alt.slack "SHUT UP!" is a running
joke.
>> Just though you ought to know.
>
> SHUT UP
See!
Shut uppa you mouf!
Cheerful Charlie
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From: Rev DJ Epoch <nunyabiz@noway.com>
mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull) wrote:
>>"Well, it's ACTING like it's posessed,
and it
>>always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I
cleaned the optics with
>>holy water..."
>
> AHHH! Ernest Angley! Channel 29 in Philly used
to run him on Sunday
> nights(before they sold thier souls to the devel
and Fox)
>
> We would watch him, then the next day in high school,
we would all be
> "healing" everything and everyone in
sight!
>
> "heal!!!"
>
> I used to love the way he said "nieeeneee!"
And that toupe' gave him such an image of revernedness...
it was always a
joy to watch him smack some poor Gomer on the head,
yell "HEEEAL!" and
watch the toup flop ever so slightly resisting the inertia
imposed by his
gyrations.
--
______________
-- The Church of Our Lady of Prepetual Motion
-- Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall
-- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
-- Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
He's still going strong on Ohio TV, still getting deaf
kids to say the
word "Baby." His strange fey mannerisms are
creepier than ever, if
that's possible.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: Rev DJ Epoch <nunyabiz@noway.com>
Oh, the ma was definitly good theatre, so much so others
have posted on
the web their experiences at his crusades. Here's a
goodie:
Excerptd from - http://infoest.sbc.edu/webpages/nat/stories/angley.html
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He prepared to heal a deaf man, whose arms were lifted.
Ernest put a
finger into each of the man's ears and vibrated his
hands, saying "Thou
foul deaf spirits, COME OUT!" Ernest yanked his
hands away from the man's
head. Then he placed his right palm on the man's forehead
and gave him
the blessing blast that knocked him backwards. He was
caught by the
ushers and lowered to the floor. Like him, many others
had to be gently
lowered to the floor, where they rested for awhile after
their healings.
Eventually they would be helped up and they returned
to their seats.
One woman in a wheelchair could not stand up after her
healing. Ernest
advised her to, "sit and let the power work."
After healing a busload of
deaf people from Danville, Ernest encouraged some of
them to demonstrate
their healing.
"Ah!" Ernest led off.
"Ah!" said the newly healed man.
"Men!" said Ernest.
"Baby!" said the man.
"Ah!" Ernest tried again.
"Ah!" said the newly healed man.
"Men!" said Ernest.
"Buh!" said the man.
"Baby!" Ernest tried.
"Kubep!" said the newly healed.
"Ah!" said Ernest.
"Ah!" said the healed.
"Men!"
"Kubep!"
This went on for a long time.
<snip>
Then he had all 27 people who were deaf in one ear,
who had not yet come
forward, hold up a finger. Ernest was going to empower
the finger by God.
He blessed the fingers and had them all insert the fingers
into their
ears. "Evil spirits of the ear, COME OUT!"
he bellowed. I wish you could
have been there to see 27 people yanking their fingers
out of their own
ears.
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Talk about "Pulling the wool over your OWN eyes!" ...err... EARS!
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
"nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
wrote:
> stg-delfuego wrote:
> > What is it about some of you (all fo you
> > almost?) that has such disdain for
> > Christianity or Christians?
>
> Oh, you underestimate us. We don't have disdain
> *just* for Xtians, we have disdain for lots of
> different religions, philosophies, belief systems,
> *and* the mindlessness of those who insist they
> have none.
Okay, I can understand that some like to rant on people
in general,
and it is nice to think that one group isn't singled
out for abuse.
Not all Christians expect themselves to be a carbon
copy of Jesus, and
not all Christians deserve hatred simply for being Chrisitan.
If I
were to take Al Queida as being reperesentative of all
of Islam, I
would have a grave problem with Islam in general then.
> Xtianity comes in for special consideration most
> likely because it is the predominant annoyance.
> A silly religion, really, whose permutations get
So why is it sillier than any other religion?
> sillier and sillier, yet whose adherents clog and
> fester every part of these United States and its
> even modestly secular organizations, pestering
> those who want no part of it. Fortunately, but
> only recently, do they use less violence then the
> Wahabbi Moslem in doing this; but memories of
> violation remain strong among we, the unwashed
in
> the mythological blood of the nice Jewish Lamb.
I understand so far.
> Which is not to say that Xtians cannot be brutal,
> cruel, stubbornly stupid, astoudingly arrogant,
> and politically ambitious to control and dominate
> others with their fantasies; any more than can
any
> other religion or creed; it's just that they are
> the dominant group here. And that they, for the
I need to say at this point that Christianity is not
the dominant
religious group of the world. Of course, since this
chart I am
looking at was written, some figures might have changed
-- most
notably the rise in followers of Islam and Neopagan
religions.
> time being at least, have tapered off on their
> coercion and brutality, giving us an opening.
>
> It has been and is the duty of the cynic and the
> scoffer to confront true believers and those who
> use them throughout history. To sneer and fart
in
> their general direction, to expose their nakedness
> despite claims of fine clothing, to stomp on their
> feet of clay, and to point out that the sound tube
> running hidden from their high priest to the mouth
> of their graven image would sound better if it
had
> a reed inside so their god would make more squacky
> noises like Donald Duck.
I guess.
>
> We are usually killed for our presumptuousness,
but
> leave the faithful with that annoying afterthought:
>
> "Why do the heathen laugh?"
Well, thank you for the thoughtful response. If it
appears I am
trying to convert people, that is not my purpose here,
just trying to
say one is not equal to all, and it goes that way in
all directions,
despite what some may think.
Thanks again.
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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
stg-delfuego wrote:
> ...I need to say at this point that Christianity
> is not the dominant religious group of the world.
By what measure?
Xtianity dominates other religions by sheer numbers
of followers, almost 33% of the total:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Xtianity dominates by who its adherents are, the
countries where they live being economically and
culturally dominant over the rest of the world,
and Xtians as a whole having far more wealth per
capita.
Xtianity also dominates the cultural traditions of
western civilization; to the point where it is so
interwoven with secular culture that most people
are unaware that its traditions are not secular.
The *issues* and mores established in western
civilization are then foisted on cultures that are
ultimately puzzled as to why?, not understanding
the Xtian morality or doctrinal underpinnings.
Xtianity directly influences this US administration,
and broad sections of the US congress.
Xtians, I might add, quickly jump on any affront to
claim they are persecuted, and that their religious
rights are being oppressed. While not unique to
Xtianity, Xtianity *should* have evolved beyond it.
Insistence on secularism in government by religious
minorities does *not* oppress Xtians, for example.
Not being able to force other people's children to
pray in school is NOT being oppressed.
Being prevented from proselytizing, loudly, non-
believers, though a tenent of their faith, is ALSO
not oppressive; any more than preventing a Gypsy
from stealing is racist, though it is a cultural
and traditional prerogative according to some of
them. (A Xtian-based prerogative, I should add.)
Even recently, the Catholic Pope still tried to get
the EU to officially recognize Xtianity as having
a special place in their affairs of state in the
EU. (They are not interested in restoring anything
resembling the ruthless and pervasive Catholic and
Protestant power structures of the past.)
So, in toto, Xtians should be able to take ANYTHING
that is dished out against them by historians and
other cynics, scoffers and disbelievers. In fact,
karmically speaking, they have viciously abused
everyone under their sway for the better part of
2000 years, so HAVE NO RIGHT to expect any courtesy
WHATSOEVER from ANYONE else.
In fact, it speaks highly of the critics of the
Xtians and Xtianity, that with the exception of the
communists, no one has called for Xtianity to be
outlawed as a curse and a blight on mankind, for
which exists a strong case could be made.
--
Trust No One.
Always Look To The Skies.
The Truth Is Not There.
-- nu-monet
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> Because we killed Christ.
>
> Pilate was the Lee Harvey Oswald of his time.
You are saying that The Church of the Subgenius killed
Jesus? Are we
talking about the Christ, because we may need to inform
Mel Gibson on
this.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Oh you'll never see our hand that clearly revealed.
We operate BEHIND
the scenes, like refrigerator repairmen.
But EVIL refrigerator repairmen. SUBTLE refrigerator
repairmen.
Ensuring that all the leftovers spoil at JUST THE RIGHT
MOMENT. When
the disciples are all ready for dinner, and hungry.
Don't you get it? In the original bible, it WASN'T
JESUS who said all
that stuff about eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
It was the
disciples. The early catholics thought it was some
subtle,
transcendental message so they "clarified"
it by putting it in Jesus'
mouth. But it wasn't a message at all. They were HUNGRY.
You look at a refrigerator repairman and all you see
is a toolbelt and
a plumber's crack. I look at him and see SATAN HIMSELF.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"The penalty that good men pay for not being interested
in politics is to be
governed by men worse than themselves." -Plato
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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>
In other words, we're going to have to take your messiah
back to the
shop. In fact, you may just want to consider buying
a new one, because
this one, see, the compressor is starting to make some
noises I don't like.
I have a brother-in-law who runs a refurb shop, I'll
talk to him. He'll
cut you a deal.
--
Rev. Klyf S""-M257 the Not-Quite-Sane Fenderson
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
"ghost" <ghost@ghost.net> wrote:
> Because SHUT UP.
hey there, yourself.
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com> wrote:
> Well, I prefer religions that don't make sense
to those that believe in
> 'em either. Damned if I want a religion for the
slack-jawed mouth
> breathing SHEEP-like masses that need to be told
what to think, becuase
> they're incapable of independent thought. It says
something that
> Christianity refers to it's followers as sheep.
Stupid animals, easily
> lost, and fair game for any of a number of predators.
Lamb does make for tasty Gyros, I will admit - although
stupid, sheep
are also fairly loyal animals, and provide wool for
everyone to wear.
This does not mean that you are entitled to cut off
legs of "Xtians"
at will, not shave their body hair at will. That may
indicate
possible mental illness on your part.
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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>
You can't even get a set of decent car seat covers out of a Christian.
The skin just isn't thick enough to tan properly.
--
Rev. Klyf S""-M257 the Not-Quite-Sane Fenderson
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From: Rev DJ Epoch <nunyabiz@noway.com>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
> And yet that hogwash and flim-flam brings millions
deep, much needed
> comfort and succor -- real help and calm, in a
world full of
> uncertainty and hardship. Yes, faith itself proves
there are miracles.
> It is the most fantastic miracle of all.
I saw a number of instances of "faith" providing
comfort to people going
through periods of personal upheaval. Back in the mid
90's we had a
tornado come through Atlanta north of town. I have been
active with Civil
Air Patrol and we are usually called out to assist the
Red Cross and
local counties when they have something major come through.
We were sent into one area that almost looked like it
was carpet bombed.
People wandering, picking through the damage trying
to find keepsakes and
personal items, some crying, some just sitting in the
middle of the
rubble in shock. And in the middle of all this was a
family - Dad, Mom
and two sisters, scratched up and bruised but otherwise
apparently
alright - moving among the others with a cooler full
of water, two bags
full of cookies and crackers and some bandaging supplies.
Their house had
the front wall ripped off but it appears to have remained
fairly intact,
yet instead of scuttling over their own items they were
walking down the
street tending to others who were injured or hysterical,
giving them a
drink or something to snack on until the Red Cross could
get there with
the canteen truck and begin moving people out to a shelter.
One of my team asked them why instead of taking care
of themselves and
their own property they were out there tending to the
others on the
street. The mom looked at him and said "Because
Jesus said to love and
treat our neighbors as we would want to be loved and
treated ourselves,
and they are in more need than we are right now."
I met this same family later on at the high school where
the shelter had
been set up. The two sisters has set up a play area
for the kids and Mom
and Dad were helping the Red Cross volunteers set up
cots and make sure
everyone had blankets. Later they were sitting together
saying some
prayers and reading from the Bible, and people started
comeing over to
sit with them and listen and pray. People that had been
sitting alone and
crying began to join the group and focus on some of
the words of faith.
Everyone seemed to feed on the belief that "God
will give us the strength
to get through this."
Yeah, alot of what the preachers spout is bulldada in
my mind, and the
jury's still out on the proof of the existance of "a
Supreme Being", but
I have seen the concept of "faith" bring a
group of people together who
basically never interacted before, and help them help
each other through
a mentally catastrophic situation by having faith that
a higher power
would give them the strength to do so.
Your're absofragginlutely right Stang, this is a miracle
to see "faith"
in action.
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From: rabbs@subgenius.com (Rabbi Jacklyn Hyde)
djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego) wrote in message
news:<6b28e43f.0403221156.4e274810@posting.google.com>...
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?)
that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians? etc.
Seriously answered, it's the nature of the majority
of the people in
this particular newsgroup. We're equally obnoxious
with each other so
I wouldn't take it personally.
Oh, and I was four years old when I was told I was going
to hell for
killing Christ (being raised a nice Jewish girl, I had
no idea who
Christ was and was terrified of what I had done while
sleepwalking)
and saw a cross burning in my neighborhood park in suburban
Philadelphia. Not bitter against Christians as a whole,
but someone
out there is teaching some really twisted take on "love
thy neighbor".
--With love, the Rabbs
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
There are, unfortunately, people who are generally ignorant
morons who
profess violence to others bacuse their religions are
different; all
in each others own country. Christianity has had a
less than
glamorous history, true, but for every five ignorant
cross-burners
there is one or two decent people who happen to believe
in the
Chrisitan way of life. I must say I respect your reply
regardign this
horrible event. The thing I was trying to say I guess,
is that
despite horrible people and horrible events, there really
is no need
to make things more horrible because you disagree with
the religion of
others. If it makes any of you feel better, arw seems
to have more of
a problem with "Xtianity" than you slackers.
thx
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"stg-delfuego" <djcameron60616@yahoo.com> wrote :
(snip)
>... but for every five ignorant cross-burners
> there is one or two decent people who happen to
believe in the
> Chrisitan way of life.<
Not a very good ratio... just a little over one quarter...
and except in the
most egregious cases, those two do not utter one word
against the almost
constant depredations of their fellows.
For any decent word uttered by a contemporary Christian
regarding other
citizens who are not Christians, I'll see you the Robertson/Falwell
tirade
regarding the WTC attack (in which my down-the-hall
neighbor and raise you a
"God Hates Fags" sign.
In "The Passion" debate, a survey was taken
that asked Christians whether or
not they believed that Jews living today bore any responsibility
for the
death of Christ. 87% percent said no... and before you
say "see, this
proves...", note that THIRTEEN PERCENT of Christians
say, yes, they did
believe that Jews living today bore responsibility for
the death of Christ.
If upwards of 200 million Americans consider themselves
practicing
Christians, that means that there are around 26 million
screaming loony
anti-Jewish Christians out there... unfortunately, I've
done enough research
to have a hideous idea of what ELSE they believe.
I don't even want to start on the atheist thing. They
(the Christians) are
working serious evil shit there.
You wrote:
>despite horrible people and horrible events, there
really is no need to
make things more horrible because you disagree with
the religion of others.<
We didn't make it horrible. Christians are making it
horrible and are intent
on making it horribler.
We ain't done jack shit. We aren't shooting doctors,
banning "To Kill a
Mockingbird", covering up the titties on the scultpures
in Justice
Department, putting up monuments claiming a Wyoming
gay who was beaten to
death "died for his sins", denying medical
coverage for reproductive
rights... more more
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
I once had a self-indentified Christian stop and help
me change a flat
tire on the highway and this was in ARKANSAS. He didn't
even try to
get me to visit his church. I guess it was in the well
with the tire
iron. Okay, there's one, so there are probably some
others. He didn't
even require that I squeal like a piggy as payment.
This does nothing to lessen my desire to see Pat Robertson
spontaneously combust live on camera, but let's give
people their
rightful gold stars. Of course, a Satanist can change
a tire, too.
--
HellPope Huey
You can't really play "Purple Haze" on
a piano
"Zappa should be most proud that the PMRC
wants to put their obscene lyrics sticker
on his "Jazz From Hell"...
which is an instrumental album."
- Tony Shepps
"Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"
"I don't listen to hip-hop."
- "South Park: Bigger, Longer &
Uncut"
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
This is a case where I shoulda told myself SHUT UP!
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
I actually responded to you a day or two, but Google
cancelled me as I
hit post. Anyway, here is a second try on this.
"ghost" <ghost@ghost.net> wrote:
> Not a very good ratio... just a little over one
quarter... and except in the
> most egregious cases, those two do not utter one
word against the almost
> constant depredations of their fellows.
Well, I can't control their brains, I can simply tell
them what I
think, regardless of whether or not they choose to accept
my words to
them.
> For any decent word uttered by a contemporary Christian
regarding other
> citizens who are not Christians, I'll see you the
Robertson/Falwell tirade
> regarding the WTC attack (in which my down-the-hall
neighbor and raise you a
> "God Hates Fags" sign.
Here we go. There is a difference between a televangelist
and an
ordinary church-goer just as there is between a politician
and an
ordianry voter. The idea of comparing the WTC bombers
to the whole of
the followers of Islam as just as ignorant as a cross-burner.
In
every religion there are some jerks who don't understand
the message
even when spelled out just as clear as plain gelatin:
love your
neighbor as yourself. Not that it is always done or
is always easy,
but the main point is to try. I am not going to be
a hypocrite and
say that I am always loving and forgiving. But, every
day I generally
start out the day to be so, and then inevitably someone
pisses me the
fuck off. However, I try to get past it. Now, regarding
the "God
Hates Fags" people - I don't understand the mentality
of doing it, not
that I am entirely fond of homosexuals personally -
again, a general
display of ignorance. Maybe we are as people generally
ignorant until
somehow we arte made to see things differently.
> In "The Passion" debate, a survey was
taken that asked Christians whether or
> not they believed that Jews living today bore any
responsibility for the
> death of Christ. 87% percent said no... and before
you say "see, this
> proves...", note that THIRTEEN PERCENT of
Christians say, yes, they did
> believe that Jews living today bore responsibility
for the death of Christ.
> If upwards of 200 million Americans consider themselves
practicing
> Christians, that means that there are around 26
million screaming loony
> anti-Jewish Christians out there... unfortunately,
I've done enough research
> to have a hideous idea of what ELSE they believe.
Even as a Christian, this happened two thousand years
ago -- who
fucking cares who made the inevitable decision to crucify
him? Of
course I know, and I don't believe it was solely based
on a *small
percentage of jewish people at that time, as well as
roman people at
that time*, it was inevitably a choice of whoever.
BUT, the point is
that he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Whether or not you
want to believe this, it is what an ordinary Christian
is taught to
believe. There are, even, people who are jewish by
genetics or
culture or whatnot that than become Christians. And
these people are
pretty cool when I've talked with them (the small amount
of Jews for
Jesus people that I've met). I cringe when I hear a
"Christian"
proclaim "the jews killed Jesus". I don't
believe it. The last one I
heard say this was a Manic-depressive asian person.
> I don't even want to start on the atheist thing.
They (the Christians) are
> working serious evil shit there.
Why is there such an issue with atheists? A buch of
whiny pussies
pissed off at the mere mention of the word "God".
You know what I was
generally thinking about as a kid when I was made to
say the Pledge of
Allegiance or Star Spangled Banner in school? Comic
books, the cute
girl in front of me, or
what-a-nice-day-it-is-outside-and-oh-how-I-wish-recess-was-sooner.
And my parents had other things to worry about other
than hearing me
say the word God in school or Cub Scouts or whatever.
Tough shit, if
a kid -- your kid -- of an atheist is going to say God,
what about it?
If it simply an issue about Church and State then I
can see it. But
to bitch at the idea of your kid saying god at school,
get over it.
You are just as bad banning your kid from saying it
or believing in it
as a "Christian" is banning books.
> You wrote:
> >despite horrible people and horrible events,
there really is no need to
> make things more horrible because you disagree
with the religion of others.<
>
> We didn't make it horrible. Christians are making
it horrible and are intent
> on making it horribler.
How am I making things in the world more horrible?
I am planning on
organizing a clean-up in trash in my city. IU think
it will make the
world (or local area) more beautiful and healthy than
horrible.
> We ain't done jack shit. We aren't shooting doctors,
banning "To Kill a
> Mockingbird", covering up the titties on the
scultpures in Justice
> Department, putting up monuments claiming a Wyoming
gay who was beaten to
> death "died for his sins", denying medical
coverage for reproductive
> rights... more more
Nor have I done shit other than get offended at people
trying to be
cool and shunning "Xtians", who probably haven't
done shit to you
either. Find a way to reach these ignorant folk and
show them how
they're acting against the bible they believe in. Do
something either
than say "All Christians are horrible people believing
in a horrible
religion". My Christian parents took my family
to every play they
could, see every sight in America they could (on limited
amounts of
vacations), let us read every book they could (however,
I had more fun
reading science fiction, fantasy, or encyclopedias rather
than classic
works of shit in my opinion), took us to see every work
of art
possible (that is allowable for children to see. Yes,
that's right,
my horrible Baptist parents. I later read Wicca and
Satanist books,
among a lot of other stuff, and I have my own opinions
on it.
However, when it comes down to it, I am going to believe
in Jesus
Christ, no matter how simple of a person I may be for
it. Have a
blessed day.
HTH
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From: condor@biosys.net (Big Bird)
djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego) wrote:
> Well, I can't control their brains, I can simply
tell them what I
> think, regardless of whether or not they choose
to accept my words to
> them.
And when was the last time you told off a cross burner?
Go ahead and
lie, I don't expect honesty from you.
Here's something very simple you could do: you could
disengage
yourself from them. You could simply publicly declare
"I want no part
of this" and stop licking the spittle of everything
that calls itself
christian by using the term for yourself.
> In
> every religion there are some jerks who don't understand
the message
> even when spelled out just as clear as plain gelatin:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth;
I came not to send peace, but a sword."
[Jesus, Matthew 10:34]
Geier's second law: For every bible verse there's an
equal and
opposite bible verse.
But like every other christian you're now going to proclaim
that your
christianity is the "one only true christianity"
and how all the other
christianities aren't "real" christianities.
Well, I can all see you
walk like ducks and quack like ducks.
> not
> that I am entirely fond of homosexuals personally
Yet you whine when someone else is not particularly
fond of xtians
personally.
> Even as a Christian, this happened two thousand
years ago -- who
> fucking cares who made the inevitable decision
to crucify him?
If you want the facts of the matter, all you have to
do is study the
actual, real history of the region. Pliny the Elder,
for example, was
a roman historian who wrote extensivley about the social,
political,
and religious leaders of just that region at just that
time. The
romans kept meticulously book of executions in the occupied
territories, why don't you look it up there. And surely
of the
"multitudes" that Jesus allegedly rose on
various occasions, there
must have been one single person who found it worthwhile
to mention
the event in a diary or in a letter to someone else?
One person?
Here's someone who's raising the dead for crying out
loud, heals
lepers and makes lame people walk -- surely you'll be
able to find
*one* note about this guy somewhere that was actually
written at the
time?
> BUT, the point is
> that he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Whether or not you
> want to believe this, it is what an ordinary Christian
is taught to
> believe.
In general, you should only believe those statements
that are true.
Truth is not a matter of popular opinion or vote, it
is not awarded to
any statement that isn't empirically testable, and it
has absolutely
nothing to do with the personage behind any given statement.
Believeing something that is false is stupid. Believing
something
that is false even though you know that it is false
is dishonest.
> Why is there such an issue with atheists? A buch of whiny pussies
You just answered your own question.
As long as you retarded pissers find it acceptable to
insult the
dignity of everybody who is other than you, those others
may find it
acceptable to insult you back.
You and I are both atheists -- I simply believe in ONE
less god than
you. Should you ever acquire the necessary self-awareness
to realizy
*why* you reject all those millions of other possible
gods that have
been proposed, you'll understand why I reject yours.
At that time,
you'll reject it as well.
> Tough shit, if a kid -- your kid -- of an atheist
is
> going to say God, what about it?
There's no problem with him saying it.
There's a monster of a problem with retarded
pissers like you FORCING him to say it.
> You are just as bad banning your kid from saying
it or believing in it
> as a "Christian" is banning books.
NOBODY is trying to ban a kid from saying "god"
or believeing in a
god. Your claim to the contrary is a lie and an insult.
What we reasonable people are trying to ban is retarded
pissers like
you trying to FORCE our kids to say or believe any one
thing.
What my son does, says or believes is UP TO HIM.
*I* say so.
*You* disagree with this and try to FORCE him to
say certain things against his will.
> How am I making things in the world more horrible?
I am planning on
> organizing a clean-up in trash in my city.
Ah, funny how the xtians are always "planning on"
cleaning up all
kinds of things including their act.
Any day now.
> My Christian parents took my family to every play
they
> could, see every sight in America they could (on
limited amounts of
> vacations), let us read every book they could (however,
I had more fun
> reading science fiction, fantasy, or encyclopedias
rather than classic
> works of shit in my opinion), took us to see every
work of art
> possible (that is allowable for children to see.
Yes, that's right,
> my horrible Baptist parents.
The fact that you find this worth mentioning speaks
volumes about
xtians. All of these things are as obvious and natural
as breathing to
a non-believer (and a Jew, I'd like to add, and quite
possibly a lot
of other non-xtians). Only an xtian would think that
this is so
unusual as to be worth any public mention anywhere.
> However, when it comes down to it, I am going to
believe in Jesus
> Christ, no matter how simple of a person I may
be for it. Have a
> blessed day.
While others, who are happy to learn and to *grow* as
human beings
will make fun of entities who choose intentionally to
be stupid,
simple, or ignorant.
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
condor@biosys.net (Big Bird) wrote:
> And when was the last time you told off a cross
burner? Go ahead and
> lie, I don't expect honesty from you.
What is this deal about me being confrontational to
Cross-burners and
a lier? I believe the point here was that there are
ignorant people
in the world that take delight in harming others, for
whatever reason.
At the time of this post you so delightfully cut apart
for your
resonse, it was regarding someone who had had a cross
burnt in the
family's yard and therefore left a bad taste in that
person's mouth
regarding Christianity. My point back (I think) was
that people
generally (or should) know right from wrong, but knowing
right from
wrong still won't necessarily make someone open to advice
from others.
> Here's something very simple you could do: you
could disengage
> yourself from them. You could simply publicly declare
"I want no part
> of this" and stop licking the spittle of everything
that calls itself
> christian by using the term for yourself.
I could disengage from the posts, and this group or
any other that has
a high number of posts that seem to make a religion
out to be horrible
or fantastic; that is true. The original post was a
question as to
why it seems that so many posts here (and on a few other
boards?) seem
to be so hostile towards Christianity or "Xtianity".
> "Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth;
> I came not to send peace, but a sword."
> [Jesus, Matthew 10:34]
>
> Geier's second law: For every bible verse there's
an equal and
> opposite bible verse.
Possibly, but not entirely different from New Agers,
say one thing,
and they immediately have equal and opposite homespun
horseshit
wisdom.
> But like every other christian you're now going
to proclaim that your
> christianity is the "one only true christianity"
and how all the other
> christianities aren't "real" christianities.
Well, I can all see you
> walk like ducks and quack like ducks.
No. When did I say this? Like I may have said before,
if you wish to
learn about Christianity I will tell you what I know,
and refer you to
someone else who knows what I do not. I will not tell
you anything in
my opinion to coerce you, I personally think people
need to find their
own path. However, there is that inevitable fact of
the certain
verses of scripture that you were expecting to hear.
Look at it this
way: not all "Christians" are alike.
> Yet you whine when someone else is not particularly
fond of xtians
> personally.
Pointless arguments about whether it was a Jewish person
or a Eskimo
that crucified him is pretty much irrelevant. The bible
states who
did crucify him, and I don't interpret as anyone other
than a Roman.
And yes, it was 2000 years ago and the point of that
ordeal was not
that he would stay dead.
> If you want the facts of the matter, all you have
to do is study the
> actual, real history of the region. Pliny the Elder,
for example, was
> a roman historian who wrote extensivley about the
social, political,
> and religious leaders of just that region at just
that time. The
> romans kept meticulously book of executions in
the occupied
> territories, why don't you look it up there. And
surely of the
> "multitudes" that Jesus allegedly rose
on various occasions, there
I'll have to look this up, I don't recall him raising
multitudes of
people from the dead yet. Perhaps Lazarus and a few
others, I
wouldn't exactly call a multitude. Or I may be unlearned
in this
fantastic account you mention.
> must have been one single person who found it worthwhile
to mention
> the event in a diary or in a letter to someone
else? One person?
> Here's someone who's raising the dead for crying
out loud, heals
> lepers and makes lame people walk -- surely you'll
be able to find
> *one* note about this guy somewhere that was actually
written at the
> time?
I can't really tell you much about this, perhaps years
of wars and
other problems may have dealt a hand in this? Or better
yet, you'll
tell me, I'm sure.
> In general, you should only believe those statements
that are true.
> Truth is not a matter of popular opinion or vote,
it is not awarded to
> any statement that isn't empirically testable,
and it has absolutely
> nothing to do with the personage behind any given
statement.
So sorry. Truth of what I believe is probably not up
to your
standards. I may not have scientific proof of what
I believe at hand
for you (not that I really care, it's a term called
faith), but I do
have a video somewhere that explains proofs of the New
Testament. If
you do wish to check it out, it was called "The
Historical Jesus", and
was made available to me ten years ago or so, it is
probably still
around somewhere.
> Believeing something that is false is stupid. Believing
something
> that is false even though you know that it is false
is dishonest.
I think that it is unwise to believe everything, but
a person has the
right to choose what they wish to believe in. However,
if they wish
to explore or follow a different path, that is also
their decision. I
wasn't trying to knock any other faith here, just as
to why the
hostility towards "Xtians".
> You just answered your own question.
>
> As long as you retarded pissers find it acceptable
to insult the
> dignity of everybody who is other than you, those
others may find it
> acceptable to insult you back.
So this is your reason as to the hostility towards "Xtians",
long
before my post?
> You and I are both atheists -- I simply believe
in ONE less god than
> you. Should you ever acquire the necessary self-awareness
to realizy
> *why* you reject all those millions of other possible
gods that have
> been proposed, you'll understand why I reject yours.
At that time,
> you'll reject it as well.
>
That's up to you. I just don't see what is so offensive
about the
word "god".
> There's no problem with him saying it.
>
> There's a monster of a problem with retarded
> pissers like you FORCING him to say it.
I don't recall ever meeting your child, let alone *forcing*
your kid
to say the word God. I do think that certain things
like the Pledge
of Allegience and Star Spangled Banner should be left
alone. If a kid
asked me who I thought God was, I would tell him, in
my opinion this
is who God is ..."
> NOBODY is trying to ban a kid from saying "god"
or believeing in a
> god. Your claim to the contrary is a lie and an
insult.
>
> What we reasonable people are trying to ban is
retarded pissers like
> you trying to FORCE our kids to say or believe
any one thing.
>
> What my son does, says or believes is UP TO HIM.
Fine, that is your decision.
> *I* say so.
>
> *You* disagree with this and try to FORCE him to
> say certain things against his will.
> Ah, funny how the xtians are always "planning
on" cleaning up all
> kinds of things including their act.
> Any day now.
This is pretty childish.
Your point?
> The fact that you find this worth mentioning speaks
volumes about
> xtians. All of these things are as obvious and
natural as breathing to
> a non-believer (and a Jew, I'd like to add, and
quite possibly a lot
> of other non-xtians). Only an xtian would think
that this is so
> unusual as to be worth any public mention anywhere.
What "volumes" does this speak about "Xtians"
or Christians, for that
matter?
What is your point about how this is an insult to Jews?
This was in
regard to how close-minded Christians are. I don't
see where this
insult is to all Jews or "non-Xtians", if
there was some blatant
insult, my apologies for some grave error in reply to
an argument.
Again, your point?
> While others, who are happy to learn and to *grow*
as human beings
> will make fun of entities who choose intentionally
to be stupid,
> simple, or ignorant.
I suppose the idea of Jehovah is pretty much the same,
since you
mentioned that you're a Jew in regards to religion above,
and somehow
this was an answer to the reason of hostility towards
Christians (the
original post)? Or perhaps you were just mentioning
that you are
ethinically a Jew? Sorry, but you lost me with that.
I guess it's
because since I believe in Christ I am then stupid,
simple, and/or
arrogant (as opposed to the any day now comment).
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From: "Dunter Powries" <fech.redcaps@spedlin>
stg-delfuego <djcameron60616@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are, unfortunately, people who are generally
ignorant morons who
> profess violence to others bacuse their religions
are different...
As well they might! It is high time the Church of the
SubGenius chartered
and sanctioned an official Defender of the Faith and,
unless iceknife wants
it, I would like to apply for the job. I'm afraid I'm
not a very 'general'
moron, however I can be as genuinely ignorant as the
job calls for.
Dunty Porteous,
Human Sacrifice
--
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPINACH IMPOSITION!!
"It was a just and marvelous judgement of God,
that this place should be
filled with the blood of unbelievers."
-Raymond of Aguilers
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)wrote:
>If it makes any of you feel better, arw seems to
have more of
>a problem with "Xtianity" than you slackers.
>thx
Having a problem seems to be what arw is all about.
What is Wicca, anyway? It's not quite a religion because
everybody in
it is far too enlightened and modern to have a religion.
But
apparently just not quite enlightened and modern enough
not to. It's
not quite a real form of mysticism or transcendentalism,
as far as I
can tell most Wiccans just don't have the focus or tenacity
for real
yogic/meditative practice. But that doesn't stop them
from throwing
around half-digested gobs of mystical-sounding cliche
to make
themselves seem mysterious and wise.
It isn't quite a system of morality. It has enough
"rules" to allow
Wiccans to take a holier-than-thou attitude about things
like "an' it
harm none, do what thou wilt" (one thing in common
between Wiccans and
Christians is they seem to think that if something is
said in archaic
English, it's more wise than if it were said in modern
English) but
they all seem to have their own particular take on what
that means,
EXACTLY, which allows them to violate the rule whenever
it suits them.
Wiccans on arw seem to do nothing but try to destroy
anybody who
annoys them verbally and the only thing that stops them
is their lack
of ability to do so (beside the unlikelihood of destroying
somebody by
saying mean things to them on Usenet in the first place).
I guess if you really get tired of people slagging on
Christians just
get them slagging on somebody else, Wiccans or Scientologists
or
something. At least that way you can be on the same
side.
Personally I've been part of enough groups like that
that I don't
think any of them are beyond attack. Even the groups
of people who
are devoted to nothing but attacking other groups of
people for being
in a stupid group. ESPECIALLY them. They tend to be
the lamest of
them all.
To me personally the bottom line is that any group is
going to be
dominated by people who are the worst examplars of what
the group is
about. I don't think it matters what group you're in.
Me personally
I find all the best of each group to be about the same.
And all the
worst to be about the same. If I'm anything, I'm an
Elitist. An
Elitian. Which is an untenable thing for a supposed
subgenius.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"TO AVOID DANGER OF SUFFOCATION KEEP AWAY FROM
BABIES!"
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
>djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)wrote:
Hey Joe (by the way, that was a cool song), but really
- how's it
going?
> Having a problem seems to be what arw is all about.
sometimes especially to a few of them
> What is Wicca, anyway?
I am not really sure that it has any organization per
se. I breiefly
practiced Wicca myself (I know, I sound awful raising
the Christian
issue in spite of this, but it's true, I am now Christian
despite my
faults). I found it generally a beautiful-sounding
religion until I
realized I had to practice eight sabbaths minmum a year
(yech, just
like church used to be, although less), but then got
wrapped up in the
power over religion thing and quit practicing it. I
must say, a few
interesting things happened when I practiced it, but
true .. there is
definitely and advantage to being lazy in it, but still
sound hip when
talking to others about it.
> It isn't quite a system of morality. It has enough
"rules" to allow
> Wiccans to take a holier-than-thou attitude about
things like "an' it
> harm none, do what thou wilt" (one thing in
common between Wiccans and
> Christians is they seem to think that if something
is said in archaic
> English, it's more wise than if it were said in
modern English) but
> they all seem to have their own particular take
on what that means,
> EXACTLY, which allows them to violate the rule
whenever it suits them.
> Wiccans on arw seem to do nothing but try to destroy
anybody who
> annoys them verbally and the only thing that stops
them is their lack
> of ability to do so (beside the unlikelihood of
destroying somebody by
> saying mean things to them on Usenet in the first
place).
True, but there are other things in the bible than John
3:16 and
Galations 5:14 - archaic as they may be and sound cool,
I do prefer
the NIV which is modern english speak.
> I guess if you really get tired of people slagging
on Christians just
> get them slagging on somebody else, Wiccans or
Scientologists or
> something. At least that way you can be on the
same side.
This is a novel idea, I will really consider this, maybe.
> Personally I've been part of enough groups like
that that I don't
> think any of them are beyond attack. Even the
groups of people who
> are devoted to nothing but attacking other groups
of people for being
> in a stupid group. ESPECIALLY them. They tend
to be the lamest of
> them all.
Yes, I guess the nature of usenet at certain times is
to attack
everything in sight. Or at least those around you.
> To me personally the bottom line is that any group
is going to be
> dominated by people who are the worst examplars
of what the group is
> about. I don't think it matters what group you're
in. Me personally
> I find all the best of each group to be about the
same. And all the
> worst to be about the same. If I'm anything, I'm
an Elitist. An
> Elitian. Which is an untenable thing for a supposed
subgenius.
Fair enough.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
I dunno. On the other hand, I think people with religion
are
inevitably better of than people without. Better off
psychologically
and just better integrated. I mean just look at the
typical religious
person, they look HEALTHY. Not always, certainly, but
more often than
not.
It's the one place I find atheists the most unconvincing.
They can
argue the factual validity of religion all day and I
will agree with
them. But then they face the argument that people with
religion are
HAPPIER and they try to deny that. Usually they try
to explain
logically why they are just as happy ... which, really,
should be a
warning sign already. If you have to EXPLAIN why you're
happy you're
not.
Integrated. Their life has a sense of purpose. They
have a sense of
self and a sense that their existence has meaning.
Atheists can argue
around it all they want but those all go a long way
towards your
quality of life. People are at their best when they
are integrated,
and there is nothing -central- that atheists can turn
to as an
alternative. Seeing yourself as a meaningless accident
is just not a
good way to go through life. Atheists will try to claim
that they
don't see themselves as ... well, MEANINGLESS, exactly
... and they
come up with all these clever contortions to explain
why they think
their life has meaning ... but it's always just double-talk.
And I
don't know why they even bother to try: however you
talk your way
around it, the world-view that you are a random byproduct
of blind
mechanisms and that your death is the absolute terminus
of all you are
and ever will be is crushing. It negates -all- purpose,
not just
emotionally, but -logically-.
True or not, it serves a purpose that society hasn't
been able to find
an adequate replacement for.
But then OTOH it's just one more thing that annoys me
about
Christians, to be honest. Whatever religion is, IMO
it needs to be
CO-OPTED by something better. Something which isn't
so negative to
the body and to natural human passions. But that's
what really
distinguishes Christianity from all other religions,
the absolute
conviction that it isn't ENOUGH to be moral and spiritual,
but that
only by adopting CHRISTIANITY, AND NO OTHER RELIGION,
can a human be
good.
Any chance of the human race coming up with a religion
which would be
acceptable to both skeptics and spiritually-inclined
people is ruined
... by Christianity. As long as Christianity exists,
it will be
impossible.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Oh fuck. It's those slack boys. Go home!
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
But that's what really
> distinguishes Christianity from all other religions,
the absolute
> conviction that it isn't ENOUGH to be moral and
spiritual, but that
> only by adopting CHRISTIANITY, AND NO OTHER RELIGION,
can a human be
> good.
I think you're absolutely right here, Joe, and I think
the main
'structural' difference, the one that causes this distinction,
is a
kind of "semiotic totalitarianism", ie that
the only true and good
door to your soul IS NAMED "Jesus", or "Christ".
On the one hand, the
idiotic belief that a person's goodness or spirituality,
which they
haven't yet encountered the trend of naming "Jesus
Christ", is useless
because of precisely that, that they have not accepted
that NAME as
their "personal savior"'s LOGO/PHONE-NUMBER.
On the other hand, the
equally idiotic belief that by using this name "Jesus
Christ", the
divinity being expressed MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME THING
that all those
millions of others are referring to when they look inside,
bask in a
melting light, and cry out....... a name. A name which,
unfortunately
to its intended texture, they learned from corrupt assouls
who at
times have been adept magicians and/or social metacontrollers.
> Any chance of the human race coming up with a religion
which would be
> acceptable to both skeptics and spiritually-inclined
people is ruined
> ... by Christianity. As long as Christianity exists,
it will be
> impossible.
.........and as long and as thoroughly as Christianity
is ridiculed
and "killed", it will always ressurect itself.
That's why 'zombie
aesthetics' is big and getting bigger........................
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
You incredible drooling fucking idiot. Why don't you
shut up before
your brain notices what your mouth is saying and does
the universe a
favor and seizes up for good.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
Uh Joe? I think he just agreed with you.
pb
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From: djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> inevitably better of than people without. Better
off psychologically
> and just better integrated. I mean just look at
the typical religious
> person, they look HEALTHY. Not always, certainly,
but more often than
> not.
I agree with this, it is theorized in some circles that
religion is
actually good for the individual, and their society
(at least this is
what sociology and anthropology circles might say).
> It's the one place I find atheists the most unconvincing.
They can
> argue the factual validity of religion all day
and I will agree with
> them. But then they face the argument that people
with religion are
> HAPPIER and they try to deny that. Usually they
try to explain
> logically why they are just as happy ... which,
really, should be a
> warning sign already. If you have to EXPLAIN why
you're happy you're
> not.
> Integrated. Their life has a sense of purpose.
They have a sense of
> self and a sense that their existence has meaning.
Atheists can argue
> around it all they want but those all go a long
way towards your
> quality of life. People are at their best when
they are integrated,
> and there is nothing -central- that atheists can
turn to as an
> alternative. Seeing yourself as a meaningless
accident is just not a
> good way to go through life. Atheists will try
to claim that they
> don't see themselves as ... well, MEANINGLESS,
exactly ... and they
> come up with all these clever contortions to explain
why they think
> their life has meaning ... but it's always just
double-talk. And I
> don't know why they even bother to try: however
you talk your way
> around it, the world-view that you are a random
byproduct of blind
> mechanisms and that your death is the absolute
terminus of all you are
> and ever will be is crushing. It negates -all-
purpose, not just
> emotionally, but -logically-.
I think that people who are religious would in fact
be more at ease
with themselves, even though like anyone else they may
have rough
moments in life. Viewing the world as an accident is
not a healthy
viewpoint in my opinion, and it seems more pessimistic
to me. I
agree, it seems that even if religious people are simple
creatures
that need this core belief to sustain their happiness,
then it would
destroy them by losing that sense reason to their life.
I could think
of nothing more horrible than to live without purpose
to your life.
> True or not, it serves a purpose that society hasn't
been able to find
> an adequate replacement for.
>
> But then OTOH it's just one more thing that annoys
me about
> Christians, to be honest. Whatever religion is,
IMO it needs to be
> CO-OPTED by something better. Something which
isn't so negative to
> the body and to natural human passions. But that's
what really
> distinguishes Christianity from all other religions,
the absolute
> conviction that it isn't ENOUGH to be moral and
spiritual, but that
> only by adopting CHRISTIANITY, AND NO OTHER RELIGION,
can a human be
> good.
>
> Any chance of the human race coming up with a religion
which would be
> acceptable to both skeptics and spiritually-inclined
people is ruined
> ... by Christianity. As long as Christianity exists,
it will be
> impossible.
It would be much cooler to be a sin-machine, but look
at the drug
addiction and disease levels in the world. Sin may
be attractive, but
it may not be healthier for that matter.
I don't know why there is such shame about the body
found in one or
some relgions, but in our age, other people (religious
or not) can
create guilt or shame about our bodies as easily as
religion could.
I looked into Satanism and Wicca, and Islam, but none
of them ever
really seemed everlasting to me. Something about the
ability to enjoy
eating Easter honey-baked ham and being able to quit
worrying about
small things that only affected you could be forgiven
simply by
prayer, and the idea of something out there to hope
for when
everything else had turned to crap, and that only one
being is
perfect.
It took me a long while to come to grips that pestering
people into
belief wasn't the best way to influence people into
accepting belief
on their own. Perhaps people should be left alone to
their blunder or
enlightenment (whichever perspective you choose to view
it as), or
maybe someone could use some help.
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From: condor@biosys.net (Big Bird)
djcameron60616@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego) wrote:
> {...} Christianity has had a less than
> glamorous history, true, but for every five ignorant
cross-burners
> there is one or two decent people who happen to
believe in the
> Chrisitan way of life.
No, they all believe in the christian way of life because
the sentence
fragment "the christian way of life" is defined
soley by the way
christians lead their lives. You examine *all* christians
and you get
an idea of "the christian way of life".
Every single christian condones the christian way of
life or otherwise
they'd simply choose to leave the organization "christians"
and go on
to do their own thing. It's not hard. Happens all the
time.
The word "christian" stands for all the things
that christians *do*,
not for the propaganda lies they spew.
We don't say "Fred is such a nice and kind and
friendly guy, too bad
that he's occasionally murdering people". We say
"despite all other
charater traits Fred is a murderer and should be put
to death".
--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
[Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.)]
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
>And I still believe in miracles. Miracles are all
around us. Some will
>be surprised that I would say that. But yes, I truly
believe that
>supernatural miracles happen all around us constantly.
And the most
>miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is a
fucking miracle that
>people can believe such utter bullshit.
>
>And yet that hogwash and flim-flam brings millions
deep, much needed
>comfort and succor -- real help and calm, in a world
full of
>uncertainty and hardship. Yes, faith itself proves
there are miracles.
>It is the most fantastic miracle of all.
This maybe is what bothers me most about Christians,
how they abuse
the idea of "faith" and make it a synonym
for "belief"; which is
accurate linguistically, but obviously has nothing to
do with faith as
their supposed teacher used it.
Faith is how we create. What we believe to be true becomes true.
It's become a knee-jerk new age cliche to the point
that it doesn't
mean anything, and people think of it as some form of
FAIRIE MAGICK,
but it's really a fairly simple idea.
Life is chaos. We perceive an orderly world not because
the world is
orderly but because our brains make it seem orderly.
That's most of
what brains do, they aren't there to THINK UP great
ideas, but to
FILTER OUT from the endless possibilities a coherent
set of ideas. A
set of ideas which is necessarily SMALLER than reality.
It's how we
keep from going crazy.
Somebody who gets called a genius or who Changes The
World is usually
just somebody who filters a little LESS without going
completely
insane.
By changing what we have faith in, we change the set
of possibilities.
We see things and relations we didn't notice before.
We see a
DIFFERENT WORLD.
--
Joe Cosby
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
>Somebody who gets called a genius or who Changes
The World is usually
>just somebody who filters a little LESS without
going completely
>insane.
http://tinyurl.com/2l3dn
See what I mean?
--
Joe Cosby
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Jesus loves me, this I know; His loan of $50 tells me so.
--
HellPope Huey
"Could you please state that in the form of
gibberish?"
"I fed my Anger Monkey a banana this morning
and he's a lot better now."
- "Anger Management"
Its a Fake thing and the Chosen all embrace its
Goofiness.
- Rev. KrustyMADfaker
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From: chip@pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg)
According to Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>:
>Faith is how we create. What we believe to be true
becomes true.
That's total bullshit. If you believe something is
true then you
don't have to work to *make* it true. Creativity is
the tension
between what is and what you wish to be, which pulls
you through the
work of *making* it true. Or at least close enough
so you can sleep.
Believing in fantasy as if it were reality isn't creative,
it's
delusional. And there are a lot more delusional pinks
than there are
delusional SubGs. We've chosen the heft and color of
wool to pull, so
underneath it all, we *know* it's just wool.
To summarize: purple vs. Stang; who believes? and who
is creative?
--
Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - <chip@pobox.com>
"It furthers one to have somewhere to
go."
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Apparently you didn't even read what I wrote, you dipfuck.
"Believing in fantasy as if it were reality"
has nothing to do with
what I actually wrote, beyond where you snipped.
People read a few words and it sounds like something
else they read
somewhere else and formed a strong opinion about and
so they shut off
their brain and respond.
I expected some dipshit would jump to the wrong conclusion
which was
why I immediately followed that with:
"It's become a knee-jerk new age cliche to the
point that it doesn't
mean anything, and people think of it as some form of
FAIRIE MAGICK,
but it's really a fairly simple idea."
and then went on to clarify.
I guess you didn't get that far before your brain shut down.
***
I really get sick of trying to talk about anything more
controversial
than Janet Jackson's tits on Usenet. People don't even
make the
slightest attempt to comprehend any point that doesn't
fit what they
already agree with. Anything I post beyond "I
agree with this post"
is a waste of time. It's why alt.slack is the only
group I even
bother posting to anymore.
Well, that was my mistake. I tried to say something
beyond the usual
drooling bullshit. I don't know what came over me.
We're all faced with the chance to learn something different
in life.
And then we die. But people would rather get as many
opportunities to
say "I WAS RIGHT AGAIN!" as they can than
to actually give an
unfamiliar idea a moment of thought.
--
Joe Cosby
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From: chip@pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg)
According to Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>:
>Apparently you didn't even read what I wrote, you
dipfuck.
It's a fair cop. Having read more carefully, I agree
with that post.
The use of "faith" as a shorthand for all
signal filters was a bit of
a reach, though, and it short-circuited my brain. Connection
to
religious dumbfucks who ran my young life, you know,
the usual.
>We're all faced with the chance to learn something
different in life.
>And then we die. But people would rather get as
many opportunities to
>say "I WAS RIGHT AGAIN!" as they can than
to actually give an unfamiliar
>idea a moment of thought.
Hm. Could it be that one comment is causing a reaction
that is ALL
OUT OF PROPORTION to the comment's own content, and
has instead
triggered a response that has been building up over
a long time due to
the stupidity of many others? Gee, where I have read
about that?
--
Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - <chip@pobox.com>
"It furthers one to have somewhere to
go."
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Well, bingo.
It's just Monday.
You really shouldn't post at me before I've had my coffee.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
either you should flame me back, or we should both go flame nenslo.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Every idol, however exalted, turns out, in the long
run, to be a Moloch, hungry for
human sacrifice.
- Aldous Huxley
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> I really get sick of trying to talk about anything
more controversial
> than Janet Jackson's tits on Usenet.
Um... you mean there's a place I can go to see BOTH
of them? URL,
please. My world REVOLVES around her nipples. I positively
CAME when
that Aztec sun god thing spun around during the Sooper
Bowl show.
Uh... were we talkin' about Jesus? The REAL one, the
sys-ex Jesus with
the viral smile or the dog-&-pony show Jesus who
has His hand out alla
time? Robert Tilton sucked off who? Huh? What about
"Bob?"
--
HellPope Huey / www.subgenius.com
I came by my evil grin honestly, honest!
Nice guys finish last, but we get to sleep in.
- Evan Davis
"You've got a lot more going for you than wiggly
nostrils."
- "Anger Management"
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