From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2003
> nenslo wrote:
> > The "reasoning" in this case presumably being, "Because this happened,
> > the worst result you can imagine must inevitably follow.
> Thank you Nenslo.
> No - the reasoning being that with Monkey Boy at the helm of the most
> powerful nation on earth, which extols the virtues of liberty, etc. etc.
> while hypocritically subjecting its citizenry to increased levels of
> surveillance hitherto unheard of even by Chinese and other repressive
> regimes' standards.
> The slippery slope to which I refer is the general progressive elision
> of protest and the ever-growing accumulation of power the state gathers
> to itself. The slippery slope refers to the intractable condition where
> the state has advanced this far and cannot, or will not, be reversed:
> first TIA and now the MATRIX. Monkey Boy and his wanker cronies _want_
> this level of intrusion to exist and will keep pushing it until they get
> it. Once it is in place, the next phase begins to emerge: it cannot be
> undone, and so must continue on its course. Monkey Boy cannot be trusted
> with power. He is a liar and a hypocrite and worse ... he is a fool.
I get it... you think this is a NEW thing. You think
that at some
point in history the FANTASY of "land of the free and home of the
brave" was reality, or at least more of a reality as it appears to you
now to be, and there were once HONEST politicians who actually meant
what they said about anything, and worked for the benefit of their
constituency. This web of misconception is the result of ignorance - a
lack of historic perspective. Ignorance is curable. "The state"
advanced this far LONG LONG AGO (not years, CENTURIES) and you are
just now finding out about some new technology which they intend to
use to CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
You will not find the information you REALLY need on the internet.
From: Neptune <neptune@no_spam_here>
> I get it... you think this is a NEW thing. You think that at some
> point in history the FANTASY of "land of the free and home of the
> brave" was reality, or at least more of a reality as it appears to you
> now to be, and there were once HONEST politicians who actually meant
> what they said about anything, and worked for the benefit of their
> constituency. This web of misconception is the result of ignorance - a
> lack of historic perspective. Ignorance is curable. "The state"
> advanced this far LONG LONG AGO (not years, CENTURIES) and you are
> just now finding out about some new technology which they intend to
> use to CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
Nenslo - you make strong points, and I really wish that
I was that naive
to believe in that long-distant fantasy time when politicians were
honest, etc. My point was less about the continuation of politics as
usual, but more about the ever-intrusive means of surveillance by which
domestic citizens have been reshaped to become potential enemies of the
State machine. Questions about this arise - as they did during
McCarthy's day, as they did during the days of the French Revolution
where (once again) the ruling elite were so out of touch with the
populace. Questions have to be asked about the advances in technology
that make such intrusion possible ... specifically, about ways of
undermining their hegemony, breaking through the barriers, confounding
the databases and throwing glitches into the Panopticon-esque condition.
All this coupled with my earlier point that Bushwhacked is sitting at
the helm of some pretty nasty and powerful weapons, seems to lack any
ability for serious self-reflection, and because he is so convinced that
he is a born-again Christian that he is fighting God's fight against the
forces of evil. He has already shown himself to not be concerned with
rights/wrongs and other petty issues of ethics and legality. Too many
intrusions are taking place under the ubiquity of the anti-terror
banner, and Americans and the rest of the western world are just
allowing it to happen by and large. Keep us happy with our TV drugs, and
our appliance-drugs and the notions that we too can succeed if we just
work hard enough ... even though the prize is the ability to consume
more at higher prices.
Frustration nenslo ... just pure frustrated frustration.
> You will not find the information you REALLY need on the internet.
Hmmm .... maybe, maybe not. I do think that the Net
is a wonderful tool
for subversion. It was courtesy of the Net that I first read about the
ECHELON way back in 1996, an issue that has only relatively recently
come to official light, and then ignored by the general masses.
"Today a young man on acid realised that all matter was really energy
condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness
experiencing itself subjectively, there's no such thing as death,
life is only a dream, and we're the imaginations of ourselves.
Here's Tom with the weather ..." - Bill Hicks.
From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>
Well said. I would like to remind you, however, that
the President of
the United States, whoever he may be, DOESN'T DECIDE OR CONTROL
ANYTHING. That is simply another of the Global Control Conspiracy's
deceptions. George W. Bush is a DISTRACTION. The moment he endangers
the profitability of the multinational corporations for whose benefit
he was "elected" he will be disabled. As long as you keep looking at
and thinking about HIM, you are not endangering anything.
Every government is a criminal conspiracy to concentrate
wealth in the hands of a few and suppress dissent among the rest.
Every government EVER. To suppress dissent governments use rewards and
distractions, threats or deception - bread and circuses, bullets or
ballots. Your frustration may stem from a nagging delusion that
things shouldn't be this way. This is usually caused by a residual,
perhaps unconscious acceptance of one of the Control System's
The way things are is the way they are. By the time
things are they
way they are, it is already too late to change them. The Control
System is configured so that you and I are powerless and irrelevant.
Money always wins, and your vote does not count. If we make our
contentment contingent on things being different from the way they
are, we condemn ourselves to unavoidable unhappiness and frustration.
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