Spot the odd one out!

From: (Mohamed the Raghead)
Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:49 AM

Apocalypse Now
Saving Private Lynch
Harts War

Thats right! its Apocalypse Now, which is "inaccurate" according to
the head of the Department of Defense Liaison Office. The other films
were all edited according to "advice" from the Department of Defense
to ensure they were "accurate". For example, Windtalkers originally
included a marine who extracted gold from the teeth of dead nips (just
like they really did in WWII). This scene was removed because it
portrayed American soldiers unfavorably and was therefore

I imagine Saving Private Lynch will be very "accurate".


From: "nu-monet v6.0" <>

As far as Apocalypse Now! goes, there are a few things that
kinda stretch it. For example, the deleted Playboy bunny
scenes. To the best of my knowledge the US did not lose
a SINGLE Playboy bunny in the Vietnam War.

Something that is lost on people today is that the US
Marines, especially, DIDN'T just insanely hate the Japanese
because of propaganda, or Pearl Harbor, or being riled up
back home.

They insanely hated the Japanese because they saw what the
Japanese had done not only to harmless women and children,
but to captured POWs and the wounded. And some of those
Marines are still filled with loathing and disgust at them,
and still want nothing to do with Japanese.

"Innacurate" in this case might be the same as depicting
a couple of Military Police in Germany who are driving
around, just after the war, when the catch an SS officer
in disguise, trying to get away. So they hang him right
there on the street. How horrible! Akin to lynching!
The poor man wasn't hurting anybody (what he had done
before not depicted). In other words, loss of context.

I personally knew a very old US Army Sergeant Major, a
Phillipino, who, as a young boy of 16, made it a practice
to sit up in a tree and wait for a Japanese patrol to
cross nearby. He would then wipe out the whole patrol,
with a machete. He didn't care much for Japanese either.
But then again, they had slaughtered his entire family

Rev. nu-monet
Founder and High Priest
Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)


From: Angkor <void@what.nop>

Another good little sheeple.

"Ken Ehrett was a sock"
Sable washes her dirty laundry in public in message <>


From: "nu-monet v6.0" <>

No, a "sheeple" has never been there.

It is like the difference between a "militarist"
and a "militant."

The former cares about what military uniforms
look like, and how good soldiers look on the
parade ground. The "noble" fight with a "noble"
death and lots of medals.

The latter cares about carrying out a war to
a successful conclusion, with minimum loss of
life, and the prosecution of those who wage
war against the innocent.

I suppose there might be equivalent descriptors
of those who criticize war and warriors, the
former being those who would let innocents be
slaughtered, dictators rule, and ignorance and
chaos reign; and the latter who respect the
military but criticize how they are applied,
especially when they are directed by a militarist.

I breathlessly await your snappy, one-sentence

Rev. nu-monet
Founder and High Priest
Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)


From: Angkor < >

I lick my butt.


From: JJ Karhu <>

As far as snappy, one-sentece rejoinders go, I think that was pretty

// JJ


From: arizonabigguy <>

He tells the truth.


From: (Zosodada)

<<<< Thats right! its Apocalypse Now, which is "inaccurate" according to the
head of the Department of Defense Liaison Office. >>

Well, they're right. It is inaccurate.

AN is an adaptation of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness,
which took place in the Congo in the late 19th century,
not Vietman in the late 20th.

"Kurtz discoursed. A voice! a voice! It rang deep to the very last. It survived
his strength to hide in the magnificent folds of eloquence the barren darkness
of his heart. Oh, he struggled! he struggled! The wastes of his weary brain
were haunted by shadowy images now -- images of wealth and fame revolving
obsequiously round his unextinguishable gift of noble and lofty expression. My
Intended, my station, my career, my ideas -- these were the subjects for the
occasional utterances of elevated sentiments. The shade of the original Kurtz
frequented the bedside of the hollow sham, whose fate it was to be buried
presently in the mould of primeval earth. But both the diabolic love and the
unearthly hate of the mysteries it had penetrated fought for the possession of
that soul satiated with primitive emotions, avid of lying fame, of sham
distinction, of all the appearances of success and power.

"Sometimes he was contemptibly childish. He desired to have kings meet him at
railway-stations on his return from some ghastly Nowhere, where he intended to
accomplish great things. 'You show them you have in you something that is
really profitable, and then there will be no limits to the recognition of your
ability,' he would say. 'Of course you must take care of the motives -- right
motives -- always.' The long reaches that were like one and the same reach,
monotonous bends that were exactly alike, slipped past the steamer with their
multitude of secular trees looking patiently after this grimy fragment of
another world, the forerunner of change, of conquest, of trade, of massacres,
of blessings. I looked ahead -- piloting. 'Close the shutter,' said Kurtz
suddenly one day; 'I can't bear to look at this.' I did so. There was a
silence. 'Oh, but I will wring your heart yet!' he cried at the invisible
wilderness. "We broke down -- as I had expected -- and had to lie up for
repairs at the head of an island. This delay was the first thing that shook
Kurtz's confidence. One morning he gave me a packet of papers and a photograph
-- the lot tied together with a shoe-string. 'Keep this for me,' he said. 'This
noxious fool' (meaning the manager) 'is capable of prying into my boxes when I
am not looking.' In the afternoon I saw him. He was lying on his back with
closed eyes, and I withdrew quietly, but I heard him mutter, 'Live rightly,
die, die ...' I listened. There was nothing more. Was he rehearsing some speech
in his sleep, or was it a fragment of a phrase from some newspaper article? He
had been writing for the papers and meant to do so again, 'for the furthering
of my ideas. It's a duty.'

"His was an impenetrable darkness. I looked at him as you peer down at a man
who is lying at the bottom of a precipice where the sun never shines. But I had
not much time to give him, because I was helping the engine-driver to take to
pieces the leaky cylinders, to straighten a bent connecting-rod, and in other
such matters. I lived in an infernal mess of rust, filings, nuts, bolts,
spanners, hammers, ratchet drills -- things I abominate, because I don't get on
with them. I tended the little forge we fortunately had aboard; I toiled
wearily in a wretched scrap-heap -- unless I had the shakes too bad to stand.

"One evening coming in with a candle I was startled to hear him say a little
tremulously, 'I am lying here in the dark waiting for death.' The light was
within a foot of his eyes. I forced myself to murmur, 'Oh, nonsense!' and stood
over him as if transfixed.

"Anything approaching the change that came over his features I have never seen
before, and hope never to see again. Oh, I wasn't touched. I was fascinated. It
was as though a veil had been rent. I saw on that ivory face the expression of
sombre pride, of ruthless power, of craven terror -- of an intense and hopeless
despair. Did he live his life again in every detail of desire, temptation, and
surrender during that supreme moment of complete knowledge? He cried in a
whisper at some image, at some vision -- he cried out twice, a cry that was no
more than a breath:

"'The horror! The horror!'

Attn.: SubPenis Hecklers
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From: (Mohamed the Raghead) (Zosodada) wrote in message
> <<<< Thats right! its Apocalypse Now, which is "inaccurate" according to the
> head of the Department of Defense Liaison Office. >>
> Well, they're right. It is inaccurate.

Next youll be claiming they didnt have surf boards in Vietnam!...
Still, Id rather watch an official "inaccurate" film than one that has
been edited to present American military power as an unalloyed force
for good.

> AN is an adaptation of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness,
> which took place in the Congo in the late 19th century,
> not Vietman in the late 20th.

Which is in part autobiographical, although the majority of Conrads
life and stories where about life in the merchant navy in South East
Asia. Unlike those relatively wholesome tales, Heart of Darkness was
not well received; it portrayed white men as something far worse than
the savages they were "civilising". That point is made on the first
page when the narrator compares africa to England from a Roman
perspective. "This too has been a dark place.".

At least we have all moved on from doing terrible things (and denying
it) to little darkies in the name of civilisation and profit.

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