Tell Me
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:57:11 -0500
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Why do Christians always quote the bible? There are plenty of things God
supposedly said in the bible. Why not quote only God's words instead of
the parts written by men? The whole thing was actually written by men I
know but parts of it are supposed to be the word of God... But if it's
the work of God, why does he speak in third person? God this and God
that instead of I this and I that?
Being able to quote the bible does not make you a good Christian. Most
of the time the quote ends up being John 3:16. How about quoting
something else for me, show me you're a true Christian.
Now without looking these up, I want you to quote me;
PSALM 137:9
MALACHI 2:3
LEVITICUS 20:9
2 KINGS 18:27
EZEKIEL 23:20
LEVITICUS 20:16
DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21
1 TIMOTHY 2:12-15
DEUTERONOMY 28:53
No cheating now, if you cheat, you cheat God!
Now I'm not being a smart ass, I can't do it either. But I do know what
these particular scriptures say. The say to me, a minister of 20+
years... that there is no way in Hades that God wrote the Bible!
You want to have a better year? I'm talking to you damned "drive-by"
Christians that keep invading these groups with your Pagan bashing...
How about you follow the teachings of your beloved Jesus and throw your
bibles out you window!
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
-Isaac Asimov
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:53:58 -0500
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"Reverend Kenny" <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote in message
news:YpSdnbMeO9PaTFPcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> Why do Christians always quote the bible?
It's much easier than arguing intelligently.
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:36:18 -0500
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Revi Shankar wrote:
> "Reverend Kenny" <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote in message
> news:YpSdnbMeO9PaTFPcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Why do Christians always quote the bible?
>
>
> It's much easier than arguing intelligently.
>
Here Here!!!!!!
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
-Isaac Asimov
Correspondent:: "James"
Date: 26 Dec 2004 12:21:30 -0800
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Reverend Kenny wrote:
> Why do Christians always quote the bible? There are plenty of things
God
> supposedly said in the bible. Why not quote only God's words instead
of
> the parts written by men? The whole thing was actually written by men
I
> know but parts of it are supposed to be the word of God... But if
it's
> the work of God, why does he speak in third person? God this and God
> that instead of I this and I that?
>
> Being able to quote the bible does not make you a good Christian.
Most
> of the time the quote ends up being John 3:16. How about quoting
> something else for me, show me you're a true Christian.
>
> Now without looking these up, I want you to quote me;
>
> PSALM 137:9
> MALACHI 2:3
> LEVITICUS 20:9
> 2 KINGS 18:27
> EZEKIEL 23:20
> LEVITICUS 20:16
> DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21
> 1 TIMOTHY 2:12-15
> DEUTERONOMY 28:53
>
> No cheating now, if you cheat, you cheat God!
>
> Now I'm not being a smart ass, I can't do it either. But I do know
what
> these particular scriptures say. The say to me, a minister of 20+
> years... that there is no way in Hades that God wrote the Bible!
>
> You want to have a better year? I'm talking to you damned "drive-by"
> Christians that keep invading these groups with your Pagan bashing...
> How about you follow the teachings of your beloved Jesus and throw
your
> bibles out you window!
>
> --
> Illuminations,
> Reverend Kenny
>
> The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries,
> is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
> -Isaac Asimov
Actually the question should be (and this is a looslely-termed
Christian here) why don't people put their boot up your ass for wasting
our time by asking this drivel? Don't you think we have more
imnportant things to do in our lives than respond to whining about what
one Christian (or more) did to you? Cripes man, I have to be on guard
for Satan and here you pop up whining. Get lost.
HTH
Delfuego
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:30:53 -0500
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James wrote:
Cripes man, I have to be on guard
> for Satan and here you pop up whining. Get lost.
>
> HTH
>
> Delfuego
>
Every Christian I've ever known takes offense at this. LOL!
It's almost a fear of the truth. Why do even loose Christians become
offended? They sure don't mind offending people who aren't Christian.
Having preached in Christian Ministries for years one thing I do know is
a real Christian is all about love, for Jesus taught you love.
He's your God... It's your rules... You burn in Hell!
Beware the false God for his name is Bush.
Satan tried to come down my chimney last night, we shot at him and stole
his loot.
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
-Isaac Asimov
Correspondent:: "James"
Date: 27 Dec 2004 06:26:17 -0800
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Reverend Kenny wrote:
> James wrote:
> Cripes man, I have to be on guard
> > for Satan and here you pop up whining. Get lost.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Delfuego
> >
>
> Every Christian I've ever known takes offense at this. LOL!
> It's almost a fear of the truth. Why do even loose Christians become
> offended? They sure don't mind offending people who aren't Christian.
> Having preached in Christian Ministries for years one thing I do know
is
> a real Christian is all about love, for Jesus taught you love.
>
> He's your God... It's your rules... You burn in Hell!
>
> Beware the false God for his name is Bush.
>
> Satan tried to come down my chimney last night, we shot at him and
stole
> his loot.
> --
> Illuminations,
> Reverend Kenny
>
> The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries,
> is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
> -Isaac Asimov
Okay, so why
did you get out of the ministry? And which ministry was it, Unitarian,
Catholic, Baptist, Adventist, Mormon, Scientologist, Scientist, Branch
Davidian?
In my life, I know the basic idea of Christianity and try to follow
them. It does not mean I don't have bad days like anyone else (sorry
for attacking you in the previous post), or that I am perfect. I
cannot quote most scripture since I follow things that are not
heavenbound (i.e. computers, among other crap) and since I pay more
attention to that then I guess I can see where I'm going when I die.
The world has become a sewer, and the people have become sewer rats
when they lose all their shreds of humanity or light of God. It can be
reclaimed, simply by asking yourself why what you're seeking is more
important than anything else.
I'm not going to argue with anyone, that is simply my worldview. If
you look at the Roman Empire before it's fall, the days of Nero and
Caligula you can see how much of a sewer it had become. It has not
gotten extremely better.
I never cared for Bush, in fact I voted Libertarian -- since I believe
people should dictate their own lives to a certain degree (we still
need education, law, jobs, roads etc); not some fat-cat politician.
The only reason I get offended is because of the sweeping
generalization that all Christians do this or all Chrisitans are this;
or simply Christians are this or Christians do this (when not showing
Christians in a flattering light).
Why are Jews, Muslims, or Atheists left out of this (Buddhists I cannot
see giving a crap either way)? Are they too special to be counted in
for annoying people at some time in their lives if we're going to make
sweeping generalizations of religious followers -- I'm not saying they
do, I have seen generalizations toward them that are as false as those
against Christians)?
I saw Bad Santa. It sucked. Elf however was great and had a better
cast.
HTH
delfeugo
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:11:30 -0800
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On 27 Dec 2004 06:26:17 -0800, "James"
wrote:
>The only reason I get offended is because of the sweeping
>generalization that all Christians do this or all Chrisitans are this;
>or simply Christians are this or Christians do this (when not showing
>Christians in a flattering light).
Well, why is there this word, "Christian", if it doesn't mean
anything?
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Oh fuck. It's those slack boys. Go home!
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:14:42 -0500
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Zapanaz wrote:
> On 27 Dec 2004 06:26:17 -0800, "James"
> wrote:
>
>
>>The only reason I get offended is because of the sweeping
>>generalization that all Christians do this or all Chrisitans are this;
>>or simply Christians are this or Christians do this (when not showing
>>Christians in a flattering light).
>
>
> Well, why is there this word, "Christian", if it doesn't mean
> anything?
>
>
>
I'm not trying to offend a "True" Christian at all. A true Christian
would "Turn the other cheek"... I have no problem with a True Christian.
But I do really wish that the True Christians would rope in these
fundamentalist (ie 90% of all Georgia Christians) and make them realize
how... what's a nice way to say this... dumb they make themselves, and
their religion, look. Bless their hearts they do think they are
preaching the 'word' but it's the word someone else gave them. They
didn't find the word on their own. They were to lazy or too stupid and
ended up becoming sheep to their local congregations. It's why we called
them 'flocks'. The point of my rant to the other newsgroups was actually
to get them to pick up AND ACTUALLY READ their Bibles. Which in my 20+
years experience I've found that most of them haven't Sure they can
quote the biggies like John 3:16 but if I said "Quote Luke 4:3" there is
no way they could off the top of their heads.
I made mention that even after 20 years I couldn't either but my degrees
are in Religion... Not Divinity. Degrees in Divinity, which most
preachers in churches have, are biased to Judeo-Christian beliefs only.
That to me is the equivalent of saying "I wanna open a home made ice
cream parlour" and only knowing how to make the cones. A divinity degree
is like a brainwashing. Once you have that degree, you don't ever want
to hear the other possibilities.
Why are so many tried and true ministers like myself, with degrees, and
decades of experience... Dropping their congregations and their crafts?
Why? Because we open our minds. We had higher IQ's. We weren't afraid to
ask questions. To study other avenues. The biggest revelation is to
learn that Christianity in all it's colors and flavors is just a
plagiarized version of much older stories... Only the names have been
changed to protect the innocent. Read the 'Epic Of Gilgamesh' and you'll
throw your KJV out the window! :-)
To many screwed up people are preaching the wrong message to the
masses... and I'm sure everyone in alt.slack realizes just how dumb the
rest of the world is! LOL!
There is nothing wrong with Christianity but you only have part of the
story. There is way more too it then you realize. It's hard for most
Christians to believe but the path to God IS NOT THROUGH JESUS! If you
think I'm wrong fine, I'm wrong, but if the fundamentalist will just
take off their blinders for a few minutes... They'll learn so much and
will be so much closer to God then they could ever imagine!
PLEASE! TRUE CHRISTIANS, SLAP THESE FREAKS AROUND!
Lord God, save me from your followers!
You want to find God? Try learning about String Theory or do an internet
search on Astrotheology. Or look up Xezus which translates to;
Xe=3
zu=6
s makes it plural....
Xezus means "Three Sixes" and since there was no letter J in Jesus' time
period..... well you can make the connections on your own....
Anyway, I'm done bitching... We now return you to your regularly
scheduled programming.
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
-Isaac Asimov
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:21:17 -0800
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Reverend Kenny
<5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote:
>
>
>Zapanaz wrote:
>> On 27 Dec 2004 06:26:17 -0800, "James"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The only reason I get offended is because of the sweeping
>>>generalization that all Christians do this or all Chrisitans are this;
>>>or simply Christians are this or Christians do this (when not showing
>>>Christians in a flattering light).
>>
>>
>> Well, why is there this word, "Christian", if it doesn't mean
>> anything?
>>
>>
>>
>I'm not trying to offend a "True" Christian at all. A true Christian
>would "Turn the other cheek"... I have no problem with a True Christian.
>But I do really wish that the True Christians would rope in these
>fundamentalist (ie 90% of all Georgia Christians) and make them realize
>how... what's a nice way to say this... dumb they make themselves, and
>their religion, look. Bless their hearts they do think they are
>preaching the 'word' but it's the word someone else gave them. They
>didn't find the word on their own. They were to lazy or too stupid and
>ended up becoming sheep to their local congregations. It's why we called
>them 'flocks'. The point of my rant to the other newsgroups was actually
>to get them to pick up AND ACTUALLY READ their Bibles. Which in my 20+
>years experience I've found that most of them haven't Sure they can
>quote the biggies like John 3:16 but if I said "Quote Luke 4:3" there is
>no way they could off the top of their heads.
>
I used to ask Christians if they'd ever read the old testament in the
original language, which seems like a fairly natural thing to me, for
somebody who is going to devote years and years of their life to the
thing, but I realized it was futile beyond futile because, let's face
it, most Christians don't really seem to even grasp a difference
between teh old and new testaments. Let alone how and why, exactly,
the "canon" was established.
>I made mention that even after 20 years I couldn't either but my degrees
>are in Religion... Not Divinity. Degrees in Divinity, which most
>preachers in churches have, are biased to Judeo-Christian beliefs only.
>That to me is the equivalent of saying "I wanna open a home made ice
>cream parlour" and only knowing how to make the cones. A divinity degree
>is like a brainwashing. Once you have that degree, you don't ever want
>to hear the other possibilities.
>
>Why are so many tried and true ministers like myself, with degrees, and
>decades of experience... Dropping their congregations and their crafts?
>Why? Because we open our minds. We had higher IQ's. We weren't afraid to
>ask questions. To study other avenues. The biggest revelation is to
>learn that Christianity in all it's colors and flavors is just a
>plagiarized version of much older stories... Only the names have been
>changed to protect the innocent. Read the 'Epic Of Gilgamesh' and you'll
>throw your KJV out the window! :-)
>
read this:
http://tinyurl.com/5vzte
you'll throw your WINDOW out the window.
>To many screwed up people are preaching the wrong message to the
>masses... and I'm sure everyone in alt.slack realizes just how dumb the
>rest of the world is! LOL!
>
>There is nothing wrong with Christianity but you only have part of the
>story. There is way more too it then you realize. It's hard for most
>Christians to believe but the path to God IS NOT THROUGH JESUS! If you
>think I'm wrong fine, I'm wrong, but if the fundamentalist will just
>take off their blinders for a few minutes... They'll learn so much and
>will be so much closer to God then they could ever imagine!
>
>PLEASE! TRUE CHRISTIANS, SLAP THESE FREAKS AROUND!
>
>Lord God, save me from your followers!
>
>You want to find God? Try learning about String Theory or do an internet
>search on Astrotheology. Or look up Xezus which translates to;
>Xe=3
>zu=6
>s makes it plural....
>Xezus means "Three Sixes" and since there was no letter J in Jesus' time
>period..... well you can make the connections on your own....
>
or give Wittgenstein a shot.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
My Chihuahua Taco Dog can beat your Guffaw Cheese Nacho God with all four
paws tied behind its back.
Rev 11D Meow!.
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:27:08 -0500
--------
Zapanaz wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Reverend Kenny
> <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>
> read this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5vzte
>
> you'll throw your WINDOW out the window.
Haven't read it yet but it was already on my Amazon wish list... I have
like 6 pages of books on there.
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
-Isaac Asimov
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:28:44 GMT
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I was watching "Necronomicon: The Book of the Dead" while I read this
thread. Almost everything goes better with tentacles, especially
religious debates.
--
HellPope Huey
That's one hell of a pickle,
Connie said to the beefy butcher.
"Who's that?"
"Oh, you wouldn't know them darling;
they're respectable."
- "After the Thin Man"
"How DARE you interfere with my literary posturing
and sully it with points of style???
The worst part is, you are correct. F**K you, sir."
- H. P. Huey
Correspondent:: "Kevin Cunningham"
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:34:24 GMT
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"Zapanaz" wrote in message
news:bar1t01b2homogvblocsmj86bp1hrqb4dt@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Reverend Kenny
> <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>> On 27 Dec 2004 06:26:17 -0800, "James"
>>
>
> I used to ask Christians if they'd ever read the old testament in the
> original language, which seems like a fairly natural thing to me, for
> somebody who is going to devote years and years of their life to the
> thing, but I realized it was futile beyond futile because, let's face
> it, most Christians don't really seem to even grasp a difference
> between teh old and new testaments. Let alone how and why, exactly,
> the "canon" was established.
>
> Zapanaz
> International Satanic Conspiracy
> Customer Support Specialist
> http://joecosby.com/
Was drinkin' beer with an old buddy. Turned out he'd been talking to some
workers at his house. There conversation for some reason (beer, dope,
something) and of course it turned to religion. One red neck asked his red
necked friend if he had ever read a new english version of the Bible. No
his buddy replide, he only read the King James version. "Thats the way
Jesus talked, way back then."
Rev. Dr. Junior Mints
Anti-Pope of Atlanta
Correspondent:: "Jason"
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:58:59 -0500
--------
"Reverend Kenny" <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote in message
news:IeidnRekRNgPXE3cRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>
> Zapanaz wrote:
>> On 27 Dec 2004 06:26:17 -0800, "James"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The only reason I get offended is because of the sweeping
>>>generalization that all Christians do this or all Chrisitans are this;
>>>or simply Christians are this or Christians do this (when not showing
>>>Christians in a flattering light).
>>
>>
>> Well, why is there this word, "Christian", if it doesn't mean
>> anything?
>>
>>
>>
> I'm not trying to offend a "True" Christian at all. A true Christian would
> "Turn the other cheek"... I have no problem with a True Christian. But I
> do really wish that the True Christians would rope in these fundamentalist
> (ie 90% of all Georgia Christians) and make them realize how... what's a
> nice way to say this... dumb they make themselves, and their religion,
> look. Bless their hearts they do think they are preaching the 'word' but
> it's the word someone else gave them. They didn't find the word on their
> own. They were to lazy or too stupid and ended up becoming sheep to their
> local congregations. It's why we called them 'flocks'. The point of my
> rant to the other newsgroups was actually to get them to pick up AND
> ACTUALLY READ their Bibles. Which in my 20+ years experience I've found
> that most of them haven't Sure they can quote the biggies like John 3:16
> but if I said "Quote Luke 4:3" there is no way they could off the top of
> their heads.
>
> I made mention that even after 20 years I couldn't either but my degrees
> are in Religion... Not Divinity. Degrees in Divinity, which most preachers
> in churches have, are biased to Judeo-Christian beliefs only. That to me
> is the equivalent of saying "I wanna open a home made ice cream parlour"
> and only knowing how to make the cones. A divinity degree is like a
> brainwashing. Once you have that degree, you don't ever want to hear the
> other possibilities.
>
> Why are so many tried and true ministers like myself, with degrees, and
> decades of experience... Dropping their congregations and their crafts?
> Why? Because we open our minds. We had higher IQ's. We weren't afraid to
> ask questions. To study other avenues. The biggest revelation is to learn
> that Christianity in all it's colors and flavors is just a plagiarized
> version of much older stories... Only the names have been changed to
> protect the innocent. Read the 'Epic Of Gilgamesh' and you'll throw your
> KJV out the window! :-)
>
> To many screwed up people are preaching the wrong message to the masses...
> and I'm sure everyone in alt.slack realizes just how dumb the rest of the
> world is! LOL!
>
> There is nothing wrong with Christianity but you only have part of the
> story. There is way more too it then you realize. It's hard for most
> Christians to believe but the path to God IS NOT THROUGH JESUS! If you
> think I'm wrong fine, I'm wrong, but if the fundamentalist will just take
> off their blinders for a few minutes... They'll learn so much and will be
> so much closer to God then they could ever imagine!
>
> PLEASE! TRUE CHRISTIANS, SLAP THESE FREAKS AROUND!
>
> Lord God, save me from your followers!
>
> You want to find God? Try learning about String Theory or do an internet
> search on Astrotheology. Or look up Xezus which translates to;
> Xe=3
> zu=6
> s makes it plural....
> Xezus means "Three Sixes" and since there was no letter J in Jesus' time
> period..... well you can make the connections on your own....
>
> Anyway, I'm done bitching... We now return you to your regularly scheduled
> programming.
>
> Illuminations,
> Reverend Kenny
>
> The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries,
> is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
> -Isaac Asimov
If you don't believe in the divinity of Christ then, to quote or paraphrase
Spengler, whichever the case may be, "Christ was just some rabbi running
around talking in parables".
As for string theory, which in its present incarnation is called M theory.
At our present level of technology it cannot be proven through either
observation or experimentation. To many scientists this places it in the
realm of philosophy not science. That is not to say it is not relevant as a
"theory of everything" and I find it a fascinating concept that our universe
is merely a single membrane "brane" among an infinite number, like a single
slice of bread in a loaf of infinite size.
If we ever become a level 2 civilization and are able to prove M theory is
right that does not preclude the existence of an intelligent creator nor
that in an attempt to communicate with one of his creations of extremely
limited intelligence he sent his "son" as one of these creatures in order to
be able to communicate with them on their level but who still had to use
parables to try and explain concepts totally foreign to them. Of course,
because he was different, these creatures wasted little time killing him in
the cruelest fashion their feeble little minds could conceive.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:15:57 GMT
--------
In article <99mdnb-6BtHJVkfcRVn-sQ@comcast.com>,
"Jason" wrote:
> If you don't believe in the divinity of Christ then, to quote or paraphrase
> Spengler, whichever the case may be, "Christ was just some rabbi running
> around talking in parables".
and clad in a t-shirt that said "My other hat is a crown of thorns."
--
HellPope Huey
A lurking tsunami in every hot tub,
a budding conspiracy in every sock drawer,
a potential holocaust in every birth control dispenser.
Are you bored? Are you jaded?
Has all enthusiasm faded?
Are you one of those people like glazed fruit
Who sit there in shell shock
Till the dot on your screen
disappears?
- Creme & Godley, "L"
My mind is a swamp
glutted with the wreckage
of ancient sitcom gags.
- Nenslo
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 04 Jan 2005 22:57:39 GMT
--------
>In article <99mdnb-6BtHJVkfcRVn-sQ@comcast.com>,
> "Jason" wrote:
>
>> If you don't believe in the divinity of Christ then, to quote or paraphrase
>
>> Spengler, whichever the case may be, "Christ was just some rabbi running
>> around talking in parables".
>
> and clad in a t-shirt that said "My other hat is a crown of thorns."
He made the mistake of coining the phrase:"....or kill me!"
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:11:49 -0500
--------
Jason wrote:
> If you don't believe in the divinity of Christ then,
which I don't.
to quote or paraphrase
> Spengler, whichever the case may be, "Christ was just some rabbi running
> around talking in parables".
{sidenote: If he was a good Jew then he must've married right?}
I'm not really sure Jesus even existed at all. I'm sure a man that did a
lot of the things "Jesus" supposedly did existed, but way before the man
Christians call Jesus did. The stories of Jesus are mere plagiarism's of
previous societies and beliefs. Did this "man" perform miracles... to
the seers or the ones experiencing them I'm sure they looked like
miracles but I've seen David Blane levitate and that sure does look like
a miracle to me! Technology that you don't understand can sure look like
magic or miracles to the uninitiated. Even parlour tricks are amazing if
you don't know how they are done.
>
> As for string theory, which in its present incarnation is called M theory.
I saw that TV show too.... But there's WAY more to it than that. You're
only looking in one direction. Like organized religions are but a few
pieces, so is the 'M' theory but another piece in a much larger puzzle.
I'm not even sure as a people that we even have the framing done on our
puzzle yet.
> At our present level of technology it cannot be proven through either
> observation or experimentation.
Sounds like Jesus...
To many scientists this places it in the
> realm of philosophy not science.
Sounds like religion...
Albert Einstein once said...
"Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind"
That is not to say it is not relevant as a
> "theory of everything" and I find it a fascinating concept that our universe
> is merely a single membrane "brane" among an infinite number, like a single
> slice of bread in a loaf of infinite size.
See! You DO get it! It just hasn't hit you yet! LOL! Many branes could
mean 'many Gods'. Or, different parts of the same God... only so large
that our current technology can't see where they all come together into
one supreme being.
>
> If we ever become a level 2 civilization and are able to prove M theory is
> right that does not preclude the existence of an intelligent creator
Ahh the magic word... "Creator"
Ponder this, what if there was no "creation"? Have you seen the brane
connection? Imagine skin. I think once they figure out the 'M' Theory
they will find something that makes up the 'M' so to speak. As our
technology advances we begin to realize that things get smaller
infinitely.... Forever. When I was in elementary school, there was
absolutely NOTHING smaller than the atom and it's components, it was
scientific fact, now look where we are. There were no female pastors, it
was religious fact.
Build a better microscope find something smaller. Build a bigger
telescope... maybe we will find something "bigger". Once we realize
that, it's only a matter of time before someone looks in the direction
of "Bigger". When that happens, my faith tells me that Religion and
Science will begin to work together. The Hubble and other giant
telescopes can almost see the supposed 'Big Bang'. Wont they be shocked
as hell to find out that wasn't the beginning? They say there was
nothing before the big bang... You can't make something from nothing
(unless you are Stevie Wonder). Were we INTENTIONALLY created? I don't
think so. Some beliefs recognize us as intelligently created but nothing
more than a mere science experiment. I would prefer to believe we were
an accident before I would believe we were nothing more than a beaker on
a bunson burner.
The more I have learned in these years... the less I trust ANY supposed
holy text. If it is written it surely is not the word of some god. I see
the holy bible as nothing more than a scientific theory on the solution
to life the universe and everything (yes I know the answer is 42).
Is there a god in this scientific world? Sure there is. Does he/she/it
care about us? Maybe, but I'm not so sure that God even knows we
exists... Or maybe IT does... but we're just to minuscule for it to give
a rats ass. I think about this every time I cut my toenails or trim my
hair. Could I be the "God" to something smaller?
Clip - Clip - Clip... Could mean the end for entire galaxies.
Quadrillions of beings gone in one snip.
When I get a new tattoo... does it color entire galaxies?
Am I vengeful? Am I angry?
To the beings infinitesimally smaller than me maybe.
Do I care? Nope.
nor
> that in an attempt to communicate with one of his creations of extremely
> limited intelligence he sent his "son" as one of these creatures in order to
> be able to communicate with them on their level but who still had to use
> parables to try and explain concepts totally foreign to them. Of course,
> because he was different, these creatures wasted little time killing him in
> the cruelest fashion their feeble little minds could conceive.
The rest are only fables written by men with feeble little brains or
branes LOL!...........................
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
"Your enemy is not surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your
country."
-George Orwell
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:47:43 GMT
--------
"James" wrote:
>
>Reverend Kenny wrote:
>> James wrote:
>> Cripes man, I have to be on guard
>> > for Satan and here you pop up whining. Get lost.
>> >
>> > HTH
>> >
>> > Delfuego
>> >
>>
>> Every Christian I've ever known takes offense at this. LOL!
>> It's almost a fear of the truth. Why do even loose Christians become
>> offended? They sure don't mind offending people who aren't Christian.
>> Having preached in Christian Ministries for years one thing I do know
>is
>> a real Christian is all about love, for Jesus taught you love.
>>
>> He's your God... It's your rules... You burn in Hell!
>>
>> Beware the false God for his name is Bush.
>>
>> Satan tried to come down my chimney last night, we shot at him and
>stole
>> his loot.
>> --
>> Illuminations,
>> Reverend Kenny
>>
>> The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
>> the one that heralds new discoveries,
>> is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
>> -Isaac Asimov
>
> Okay, so why
>did you get out of the ministry? And which ministry was it, Unitarian,
>Catholic, Baptist, Adventist, Mormon, Scientologist, Scientist, Branch
>Davidian?
>
>In my life, I know the basic idea of Christianity and try to follow
>them. It does not mean I don't have bad days like anyone else (sorry
>for attacking you in the previous post), or that I am perfect. I
>cannot quote most scripture since I follow things that are not
>heavenbound (i.e. computers, among other crap) and since I pay more
>attention to that then I guess I can see where I'm going when I die.
>
>The world has become a sewer, and the people have become sewer rats
>when they lose all their shreds of humanity or light of God. It can be
>reclaimed, simply by asking yourself why what you're seeking is more
>important than anything else.
>
>I'm not going to argue with anyone, that is simply my worldview. If
>you look at the Roman Empire before it's fall, the days of Nero and
>Caligula you can see how much of a sewer it had become. It has not
>gotten extremely better.
>
>I never cared for Bush, in fact I voted Libertarian -- since I believe
>people should dictate their own lives to a certain degree (we still
>need education, law, jobs, roads etc); not some fat-cat politician.
>
>The only reason I get offended is because of the sweeping
>generalization that all Christians do this or all Chrisitans are this;
>or simply Christians are this or Christians do this (when not showing
>Christians in a flattering light).
>
>Why are Jews, Muslims, or Atheists left out of this (Buddhists I cannot
>see giving a crap either way)? Are they too special to be counted in
>for annoying people at some time in their lives if we're going to make
>sweeping generalizations of religious followers -- I'm not saying they
>do, I have seen generalizations toward them that are as false as those
>against Christians)?
>
>I saw Bad Santa. It sucked. Elf however was great and had a better
>cast.
>
>HTH
>
>delfeugo
>
Most all Christian sects and cults and denominations are devisive.
Christians hate all other religions and hate eachother, and you can't
get to Jesus or into their Heaven exept through their special door,
and they are selling tickets. There isn't any God damned door!
And your door isn't special.
Every man can petition God directly through prayer.
I don't need no steeking sky-pilot.
Beware of the toll-takers on the road of Life.
Systems such as Christianity and
utilitarianism are examples of slave or herd morality.
Moo!
Correspondent:: asscoassc@aol.comBLOWME (AssCo Assc)
Date: 26 Dec 2004 20:53:37 GMT
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<< DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21. . .
DEUTERONOMY 28:53 >>
I actually think I know these due to "Deut"
being so often quoted in conversation about
absolutely horrific biblical passages.
Joshua and Jeremiah, however, are just as bad
(if not worse, being a call to genocide and record of
genocidal attacks) and fail to recieve the
same critical attention.
"Joshua struck and killed the kings and hung them on five trees, and they were
left hanging on the trees until evening. That day Joshua took Makkedah. He put
the city and its king to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it. He
left *no survivors* -- and he did to the king of Makkedah as he had done to the
king of Jericho. Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Makkedah to
Libnah and attacked it. . . The city and *everyone* in it Joshua put to the
sword. He left *no survivors* there. And he did to its king as he had done to
the king of Jericho. Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Libnah
to Lachish; he took up positions against it and attacked it.The LORD handed
Lachish over to Israel, and Joshua took it on the second day. The city and
*everyone in it* he put to the sword, just as he had done to Libnah. Meanwhile,
Horam king of Gezer had come up to help Lachish, but Joshua defeated him and
his army-until no survivors were left. Then Joshua and all Israel with him
moved on from Lachish to Eglon; they took up positions against it and attacked
it. They captured it that same day and put it to the sword and totally
destroyed *everyone* in it, just as they had done to Lachish. Then Joshua and
all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. They took the
city and put it to the sword, together with its king, its villages and
*everyone in it*. They left no survivors. Just as at Eglon, they totally
destroyed it and everyone in it. Then Joshua and all Israel with him turned
around and attacked Debir. They took the city, its king and its villages, and
put them to the sword. *Everyone in it* they totally destroyed. They left *no
survivors*. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its
king and to Hebron. . . "
If I had a warrior god MY warrior god would at least
spare the children, women and/or the old folks.
ooOOoo
It petrifies the tongue. . .
Shoots arrows through the lung. . .
Guttural rending pain . . .
. . . and next it Sclerotifies the brain
-- Copyright 2004 Ilya Shambat
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:10:41 -0500
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AssCo Assc wrote:
> << DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21. . .
> DEUTERONOMY 28:53 >>
>
> I actually think I know these due to "Deut"
> being so often quoted in conversation about
> absolutely horrific biblical passages.
>
> Joshua and Jeremiah, however, are just as bad
> (if not worse, being a call to genocide and record of
> genocidal attacks) and fail to recieve the
> same critical attention.
>
> "Joshua struck and killed the kings and hung them on five trees, and they were
> left hanging on the trees until evening. That day Joshua took Makkedah. He put
> the city and its king to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it. He
> left *no survivors* -- and he did to the king of Makkedah as he had done to the
> king of Jericho. Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Makkedah to
> Libnah and attacked it. . . The city and *everyone* in it Joshua put to the
> sword. He left *no survivors* there. And he did to its king as he had done to
> the king of Jericho. Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Libnah
> to Lachish; he took up positions against it and attacked it.The LORD handed
> Lachish over to Israel, and Joshua took it on the second day. The city and
> *everyone in it* he put to the sword, just as he had done to Libnah. Meanwhile,
> Horam king of Gezer had come up to help Lachish, but Joshua defeated him and
> his army-until no survivors were left. Then Joshua and all Israel with him
> moved on from Lachish to Eglon; they took up positions against it and attacked
> it. They captured it that same day and put it to the sword and totally
> destroyed *everyone* in it, just as they had done to Lachish. Then Joshua and
> all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. They took the
> city and put it to the sword, together with its king, its villages and
> *everyone in it*. They left no survivors. Just as at Eglon, they totally
> destroyed it and everyone in it. Then Joshua and all Israel with him turned
> around and attacked Debir. They took the city, its king and its villages, and
> put them to the sword. *Everyone in it* they totally destroyed. They left *no
> survivors*. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its
> king and to Hebron. . . "
>
> If I had a warrior god MY warrior god would at least
> spare the children, women and/or the old folks.
>
>
>
>
> ooOOoo
>
> It petrifies the tongue. . .
> Shoots arrows through the lung. . .
> Guttural rending pain . . .
> . . . and next it Sclerotifies the brain
> -- Copyright 2004 Ilya Shambat
See! You get it! Is it because the Christians have low IQ's or something?
I'm beginning to think Jesus and "Nessie" are related in some way! :-)
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny
The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
-Isaac Asimov
Correspondent:: Eddie Vroom
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:10:17 GMT
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Reverend Kenny wrote:
> Why do Christians always quote the bible?
A more interesting question is how the bible got to be The Bible. The
editing session was something of a bloodbath, it seems.
A good source for non-canonical texts is:
http://www.gnosis.org
Not everyone in the early movement had a stick up their ass or a
compulsion to "handle" conflicting opinion, it seems.
--
Art and Fashion for the New Conspiracy
http://www.cafepress.com/luciddragon
the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor Eddie Vroom
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004