That old devil "God" again
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:25:31 -0800
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I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to praise
God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and break
half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the road.
Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not killing
him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not blowing
them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity to
me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making that
stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:37:45 -0800
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:25:31 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
>were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
>Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
>dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
>survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
>church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
>doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to praise
>God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and break
>half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
>preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the road.
> Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not killing
>him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
>for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not blowing
>them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity to
>me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
>me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
>and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making that
>stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
That's easy. The ones who died didn't pray hard enough. The ones who
almost died did better but not good enough..
Your serve.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
When in doubt, LEVITATE
Correspondent:: "Kristian Lahdensuo"
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:56:13 +0200
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"Zapanaz" kirjoitti
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> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:25:31 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>
>>I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
>>were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
>>Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
>>dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
>>survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
>>church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
>>doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to praise
>>God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and break
>>half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
>>preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the road.
>> Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not killing
>>him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
>>for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not blowing
>>them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity to
>>me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
>>me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
>>and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making that
>>stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
>
> That's easy. The ones who died didn't pray hard enough. The ones who
> almost died did better but not good enough..
>
> Your serve.
No, the ones who died prayed enough. The ones who almost died prayed too
much. And those who didn't pray at all go to Hell.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:25 GMT
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In article <41bf617f$2_2@news.dnainternet.net>,
"Kristian Lahdensuo" wrote:
> No, the ones who died prayed enough. The ones who almost died prayed too
> much. And those who didn't pray at all go to Hell.
And the ones who just looked up once in a while and said "Howyadoin',
old-timer?" and got on with their business were miraculously 6 blocks
away and accelerating on the freeway when the chemical train derailed.
They are the amusing ones who keep The Lord cooled off with a laugh once
in a while so He doesn't suddenly give us ALL 75 DDDD tits in a fit of
rage.
The ones who turned it into a vicious circus for monetary gain had to
live and live until they made Mr. Burns look like Charles Atlas and
begged to die, but the Old Man said "Oh, you really pissed Me off, so
you're not even halfway done yet! Next impaction: 4 p.m.!"
Stop praying and get back to work.
--
HellPope Huey
Everyone put your left shoe in this bag
or the kid here GETS it
I was brought up in that other service;
but I knew from the first that the Devil
was my natural master and captain and friend.
I saw that he was in the right
and that the world cringed to his conqueror only from fear.
- George Bernard Shaw, "The Devil's Disciple"
God does not play dice with the universe;
He plays an ineffable game of his own devising,
which might be compared,
from the perspective of any of the other players,
to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker
in a pitch dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes,
with a dealer who won't tell you the rules
and who smiles all the time.
- Gaiman and Pratchett's "Good Omens"
Correspondent:: Truth
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:32 -0800
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to me...this is a clear example
of what God thinks of those who worship and pray
Zapanaz wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:25:31 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>
> >I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
> >were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
> >Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
> >dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
> >survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
> >church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
> >doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to praise
> >God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and break
> >half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
> >preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the road.
> > Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not killing
> >him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
> >for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not blowing
> >them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity to
> >me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
> >me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
> >and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making that
> >stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
>
>
>
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:53:45 -0800
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:32 -0800, Truth
wrote:
>to me...this is a clear example
>of what God thinks of those who worship and pray
>
He doesn't know how to quote, you mean?
>Zapanaz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:25:31 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>>
>> >I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
>> >were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
>> >Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
>> >dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
>> >survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
>> >church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
>> >doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to praise
>> >God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and break
>> >half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
>> >preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the road.
>> > Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not killing
>> >him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
>> >for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not blowing
>> >them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity to
>> >me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
>> >me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
>> >and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making that
>> >stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
>>
>>
>>
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Ronald McDonald is the evil demon inside Pippi Longstocking
- Subgenius Spice
Correspondent:: "iDRMRSR"
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:56:56 -0500
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You got to leave a couple survivors, to tell the story!
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Correspondent:: "K.O.N."
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:07:26 -0500
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"nenslo" wrote in message
news:41BF5A4A.7DF4FA25@yahoox.com...
> I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
> were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
> Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
> dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
> survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
> church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
> doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to praise
> God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and break
> half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
> preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the road.
> Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not killing
> him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
> for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not blowing
> them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity to
> me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
> me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
> and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making that
> stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
God kills all of us in the end - doesn't he?
Correspondent:: drdark@37.com
Date: 15 Dec 2004 08:41:08 -0800
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nenslo wrote:
> I heard another miraculous survival story the other day. 100 people
> were trapped in a church collapsed by a typhoon in the Philippines.
> Nine of them survived in there for ten days, drinking rain water
> dripping through the rubble. They credit divine providence for their
> survival, praising and thanking God for his mercy. God smashes a
> church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners, and the ones He
> doesn't kill praise him for it. I would be a lot more likely to
praise
> God for NOT doing that. People drive their car into a ditch and
break
> half of their bones, and say "I just know God sent His holy angels to
> preserve me." Seems like they could have just kept the car on the
road.
> Guy gets blown up and crippled in Iraq and thanks God for not
killing
> him. Seems to me God, being all powerful, if He wanted to show mercy
> for people, might not do it by blowing them up but rather by not
blowing
> them up. Can anyone anywhere explain this seeming absolute insanity
to
> me??? No, I didn't think you could. I guess God, being smarter than
> me, shows his loving kindness for people by only killing most of them
> and only almost killing the rest. Or else people are just making
that
> stuff up, that God saved me stuff. I wonder which.
Just look at it from within the context of God as an abusive parent,
favoring some children over others. Abused people keep coming back to
their abuser because they don't know any different; they keep blaming
themselves, it's what THEY did to deserve it; oh, no, it's not the
abusers fault for being abusive in the first place. "It feels so good,
oh God" they say, "when You stop".
Correspondent:: chip@pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:50:58 -0000
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According to nenslo:
>God smashes a church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners,
>and the ones He doesn't kill praise him for it.
"Religion is a form of Stockholm Syndrome." - Ricardo Signes
--
Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. -
People are supposed to die for freedom. Not the other way around.
Correspondent:: drdark@37.com
Date: 15 Dec 2004 09:41:23 -0800
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Chip Salzenberg wrote:
> According to nenslo:
> >God smashes a church and kills ninety percent of the parishioners,
> >and the ones He doesn't kill praise him for it.
>
> "Religion is a form of Stockholm Syndrome." - Ricardo Signes
> --
> Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. -
> People are supposed to die for freedom. Not the other way around.
God is an abusive spouse, whom we "married" when joining a church. See
how the following slightly edited text on abusive spouse analyis fills
the bill descriptively. Job needed counseling, and a Battered Penitents
shelter.
What Is The Cycle Of Abuse by God?
An abusive relationship with Jehovah typically follows a cycle that is
marked by three well-recognized phases (The Battered Penitent, Lenore
E. Walker, 1979). Although there are some variations from this cycle,
many abusive relationships with God will repeat this cycle over and
over.
The tension-building phase is a period of time when a believer either
avoids religion or frantically works to keep their world running
smoothly. S/he does this to prevent triggering another abusive
explosion on the part of God. In this way, s/he holds some "limited
control" in the relationship.
Sometimes there are minor skirmishes, but the believer suppresses their
anger by either blaming themselves ("I should have kept quiet about
what I wanted when praying") or something in the God's wisdom ("He
must have a test for me") or reasoning that it could have been worse.
Each time a small abusive incident occurs, tension in the relationship
increases. A nagging sense of helplessness begins to overwhelm them.
Eventually the tension simmers to a boil, bringing on the next phase.
Ordinarily, this first phase lasts for long periods of time.
The acute battering or abusive phase is earmarked by increased severity
of abuse. Unlike the minor abusive incidents that occurred in the first
phase, the incidents in this phase are far more caustic. This phase is
usually triggered by some particular event or set of circumstances,
though rarely the same and often unpredictable. Like a violent storm
that strikes on a clear, sunny day, the physical attack (accident, back
luck, or whatever) or disease assault seems to come out of nowhere. It
could be a prayer that is unsatisfactory or a refusal to go to Church
that sets off Divine retribution. Normally, this phase lasts from 2 to
24 years (The Battered Penitent, p.60).
Initially, a believer is in a state of shock and disbelief. It's
difficult for them to come to grips with what has happened to them. If
s/he's been through the abusive cycle several times, s/he's likely to
experience a mixture of relief and rage--relief that the inevitable
assault is over, and rage over their church's empty promises that it
will stop.
S/he may be faced with the need for medical treatment. S/he might
report this to the religious authorities or inform family members of
the abuse by God. Typically, however, s/he remains silent and doesn't
expose their God. Within them is an increasing sense of helplessness
and feelings of self-hatred for not doing something to prevent the
abuse by appeasing God.
The calm-and-penance phase is a time when the Divine abuser appears to
be stricken with grief over His cruel and insensitive actions. He works
very hard to make up for what he's done with apparent acts of kindness,
healing, and/or luck. Usually, a believer welcomes this phase and
enjoys the special attention given to them. Because s/he desperately
wants to believe that their God is sincere, s/he tends to overrate the
genuineness of His remorse. During this time she may drop spiritual
doubts or shrink away from pursuing legal separation from the church or
divorce from spiritual beliefs. She will frequently come up with
"reasonable" explanations as to why their God mistreated them. This
phase may last a day or a few months, and it tends to become less and
less common. Eventually, however, the tensions will slowly begin to
mount and the cycle will repeat.
Sometimes the calm-and-penance phase is substituted with a
sudden-return-to-normal phase. In this phase, there is often a
significant period of silence. A believer may be hoping that their God
will leave them alone. But what usually happens is that their God
eventually begins to act as if nothing ever happened. The abusive
incident is not mentioned and no luck is offered. Life just somehow
goes back to "normal." But because their problems are not exposed and
worked through, the tension escalates, leading to another abusive
episode.