complete newbie
Correspondent:: "Rev Chain Smerker"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:20:08 GMT
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You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:43:57 GMT
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"Rev Chain Smerker" wrote:
>You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
>kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
>was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
>ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
>group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
>Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
There's a Perl program for that you can download--
http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
Correspondent:: "Rev Chain Smerker"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:12:12 GMT
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>
> You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
> There's a Perl program for that you can download--
>
> http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
> http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
>
Im more interested in audio work
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:35:02 GMT
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>>
>> You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
>> There's a Perl program for that you can download--
>>
>> http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
>> http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
>>
>
>Im more interested in audio work
>
>
Random sampling and looping?
They got lots of junk at the local Guitar Center, too.
Weeell, simple for me is Fractal Music--
Freeware d/l at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/
Fractmus' Source Code will be available soon under the GNU license, stay tuned
Get Fractal Sounds - Volume 1, a CD replete with aural representations of mathematical
processes, including chaos (logistic map), strange attractors (Henon, Hopalong, Martin,
Gingerbread Man, Mira...), number theory (number line, prime numbers, 3x+1 numbers...),
fractals, noise spectra, etc. Contains over 54 minutes of fractal music.
Correspondent:: "Rev Chain Smerker"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:48:49 GMT
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; "GfbAEV" wrote in message >
Random sampling and looping?
> They got lots of junk at the local Guitar Center, too.
>
> Weeell, simple for me is Fractal Music--
> Freeware d/l at:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/
> Fractmus' Source Code will be available soon under the GNU license, stay
> tuned
> Get Fractal Sounds - Volume 1, a CD replete with aural representations of
> mathematical
> processes, including chaos (logistic map), strange attractors (Henon,
> Hopalong, Martin,
> Gingerbread Man, Mira...), number theory (number line, prime numbers, 3x+1
> numbers...),
> fractals, noise spectra, etc. Contains over 54 minutes of fractal music.
>
Thanks!
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:07:51 GMT
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"Rev Chain Smerker" wrote:
>
>; "GfbAEV" wrote in message >
>Random sampling and looping?
>> They got lots of junk at the local Guitar Center, too.
>>
>> Weeell, simple for me is Fractal Music--
>> Freeware d/l at:
>> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/
>> Fractmus' Source Code will be available soon under the GNU license, stay
>> tuned
>> Get Fractal Sounds - Volume 1, a CD replete with aural representations of
>> mathematical
>> processes, including chaos (logistic map), strange attractors (Henon,
>> Hopalong, Martin,
>> Gingerbread Man, Mira...), number theory (number line, prime numbers, 3x+1
>> numbers...),
>> fractals, noise spectra, etc. Contains over 54 minutes of fractal music.
>>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
Short of getting a Korg keyboard and a bunch of electronic boxes,
Fractal Music is fun and free!
Also, you might want to check-out "Cakewalk"
It'll do a whole lot of stuff right off your PC--
http://www.cakewalk.com/
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:39:19 -0500
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> >> Weeell, simple for me is Fractal Music--
> >> Freeware d/l at:
> >> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/
> >> Fractmus' Source Code will be available soon under the GNU license,
stay
> >> tuned
> >> Get Fractal Sounds - Volume 1, a CD replete with aural representations
of
> >> mathematical
> >> processes, including chaos (logistic map), strange attractors (Henon,
> >> Hopalong, Martin,
> >> Gingerbread Man, Mira...), number theory (number line, prime numbers,
3x+1
> >> numbers...),
> >> fractals, noise spectra, etc. Contains over 54 minutes of fractal
music.
Oh noes! This is amazing. I think I've found a new toy to drive the pipe
organ. *cackle*
> Also, you might want to check-out "Cakewalk"
> It'll do a whole lot of stuff right off your PC--
> http://www.cakewalk.com/
I've used Cakewalk home studio for some time. I like it enough to want to
pay for the upgrade to the latest.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:33:32 GMT
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Revi Shankar wrote:
> > >> Weeell, simple for me is Fractal Music--
> > >> Freeware d/l at:
> > >> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/
> > >> Fractmus' Source Code will be available soon under the GNU license,
> stay
> > >> tuned
> > >> Get Fractal Sounds - Volume 1, a CD replete with aural representations
> of
> > >> mathematical
> > >> processes, including chaos (logistic map), strange attractors (Henon,
> > >> Hopalong, Martin,
> > >> Gingerbread Man, Mira...), number theory (number line, prime numbers,
> 3x+1
> > >> numbers...),
> > >> fractals, noise spectra, etc. Contains over 54 minutes of fractal
> music.
>
> Oh noes! This is amazing. I think I've found a new toy to drive the pipe
> organ. *cackle*
>
> > Also, you might want to check-out "Cakewalk"
> > It'll do a whole lot of stuff right off your PC--
> > http://www.cakewalk.com/
>
> I've used Cakewalk home studio for some time. I like it enough to want to
> pay for the upgrade to the latest.
Me too!!!
Another good source of junk is the soundfont liberries--
http://www.soundfont.com/
But you know what? I've got an old version of Fractal Music,
and I think it's better than the new version. Maybe not the NEW new version,
I dunno.
But if you've got enough horsepower, you can program 128 instruments on
two channels, or 256 instruments! But it's not hard to overload the computer.
One of my favorite things with Fractal Music is the "Movie Soundtrack"
thingie, it sounds very much like movie sound tracks. You can set key and
tempo, and randomize if you like.
It also draws fractal pictures of the algorithms, which mostly look
like Oriental rugs.
In Fractal Music, when you make a stack of music, you can re-sample
and re-assemble tone sequences, too. It outputs it's own format, but will
save to midi format for other uses, so I guess that you could use it to drive
an organ.
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:27:11 -0500
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; "GfbAEV" wrote:
> It outputs it's own format, but will
> save to midi format for other uses, so I guess that you could use it to
drive
> an organ.
Hey, wow! It works with no modification. As I write this, I am posting an
ogg file of a recording I just made to abs, made by feeding FractMus to the
organ, and recording that. "Bob and Connie go to Utah." Kinda does sound
like a Mark Isham movie soundtrack. Wonder if knows he's a fractal
generator.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:03:02 GMT
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Revi Shankar wrote:
> ; "GfbAEV" wrote:
>
> > It outputs it's own format, but will
> > save to midi format for other uses, so I guess that you could use it to
> drive
> > an organ.
>
> Hey, wow! It works with no modification. As I write this, I am posting an
> ogg file of a recording I just made to abs, made by feeding FractMus to the
> organ, and recording that. "Bob and Connie go to Utah." Kinda does sound
> like a Mark Isham movie soundtrack. Wonder if knows he's a fractal
> generator.
Neat!
Here's a midi I made with Fractal Music:
--------
Attachment
Weird_Soundtrack.mid
10.2 kBytes
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Correspondent:: "iDRMRSR"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:34:44 -0500
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Oh, thanks Revi!
Now I'll be whistling that at werke all day tomorrow.
[*]
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Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:09:45 -0800
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The Hub Of Fractal Music...
http://www.fractalmusiclab.com/
Cakewalk ROCKS!
But they can never seem to veer from the path of needing to put out patches
within months of a new release.
SONAR 4.x plus Tassman latest version plus the VST plug-in adapter plus all
the DXI & VST plug-ins you can afford or find for free is plenty to play
with if stuck in WinderViper land.
; "GfbAEV" wrote in message
news:brtzd.1164466$Gx4.782758@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Short of getting a Korg keyboard and a bunch of electronic boxes,
> Fractal Music is fun and free!
>
> Also, you might want to check-out "Cakewalk"
> It'll do a whole lot of stuff right off your PC--
> http://www.cakewalk.com/
>
>
>
>
Correspondent:: wcb
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:19:34 -0600
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Rev Chain Smerker wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> Produce it, then we will consider the remainder of your post.
>
>> >> >> >Tell me specically what what you evidence you are requesting so I
> may
>> > be as thorough as possible. Please do not respond with some vague
>> > generality that can only be answered by several thousand lines of text.
>
>
>> >> >> Asking for objective evidence is not being vague. Your response is
> an
>> >> >> evasion, and it is an obvious one.
>
>> >> > Do not be obtuse. I ask you what specific evidence you are asking
> for
>> > and you accuse in return. If you really want evidence then ask for it
>> >> > specifically. If you intend to be vague and reply in an ignorant
>> > fashion then please simply do not reply.
>
>> >> > incite each other to love and fine works.....
>> >> > The Smitty
>
>> >> You are the one claiming there is a god.
>> >> What evidence do you have for your claim?
>
>> > Yes, and there is evidence that I accept as evidence and you may also
>> > if
>> > your heart condition is acceptable. Before I place the evidence I find
>> > worthy, here, for your examination, we need to know one thing first.
>> > It is
>
>> You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
>> There's a Perl program for that you can download--
>>
>> http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
>> http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
>>
>
> Im more interested in audio work
What sort of computer ya got?
Windows and Mac cost bucks software wise.
To start with low dollar freeby Linux SW check out Audacity.
Its essentially free, you can edit up to 24 tracks on hard disk.
There is JACK, a low latency sound server that allows all sorts
of freeby Linux SW to run on a reasonable X86 box, including
SW synthesizer and special effects SW. You can warp or twist
or stretch or shift sound samples and have all sorts of fun.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:48:00 -0800
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Free?
Like In Free Beer?
"wcb" wrote in message
news:cqq8r1$djg@library1.airnews.net...
> Rev Chain Smerker wrote:
>
> >>
> >> >> >> >> Produce it, then we will consider the remainder of your post.
> >
> >> >> >> >Tell me specically what what you evidence you are requesting so
I
> > may
> >> > be as thorough as possible. Please do not respond with some vague
> >> > generality that can only be answered by several thousand lines of
text.
> >
> >
> >> >> >> Asking for objective evidence is not being vague. Your response
is
> > an
> >> >> >> evasion, and it is an obvious one.
> >
> >> >> > Do not be obtuse. I ask you what specific evidence you are asking
> > for
> >> > and you accuse in return. If you really want evidence then ask for
it
> >> >> > specifically. If you intend to be vague and reply in an ignorant
> >> > fashion then please simply do not reply.
> >
> >> >> > incite each other to love and fine works.....
> >> >> > The Smitty
> >
> >> >> You are the one claiming there is a god.
> >> >> What evidence do you have for your claim?
> >
> >> > Yes, and there is evidence that I accept as evidence and you may also
> >> > if
> >> > your heart condition is acceptable. Before I place the evidence I
find
> >> > worthy, here, for your examination, we need to know one thing first.
> >> > It is
> >
> >> You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
> >> There's a Perl program for that you can download--
> >>
> >> http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
> >>
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
> >>
> >
> > Im more interested in audio work
>
> What sort of computer ya got?
> Windows and Mac cost bucks software wise.
> To start with low dollar freeby Linux SW check out Audacity.
> Its essentially free, you can edit up to 24 tracks on hard disk.
> There is JACK, a low latency sound server that allows all sorts
> of freeby Linux SW to run on a reasonable X86 box, including
> SW synthesizer and special effects SW. You can warp or twist
> or stretch or shift sound samples and have all sorts of fun.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dance, monkeys, dance!
>
> Cheerful Charlie
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 30 Dec 2004 00:14:39 GMT
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>Free?
>
>Like In Free Beer?
No, like Free Bears
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:35:11 GMT
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>Free?
>>
>>Like In Free Beer?
>
>No, like Free Bears
>
FreeBSD!
Correspondent:: wcb
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:11:18 -0600
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Rev. 11D Meow! wrote:
> Free?
>
> Like In Free Beer?
Free. In like Free Beer.
Great stuff to play with if you don't have $1000
in spare change for software you may buy and not use.
I just spent like $20 for a set of 6 Mandrake 10.1
CDs. Loaded it up and Audacity, a 24 track sound
editor is there all ready to go and play with.
You'd need a good soundboard of course, and a fair
CPU and a good chunk of hard disk, but load up samples
by the gazoo and play all night.
>
>
> "wcb" wrote in message
> news:cqq8r1$djg@library1.airnews.net...
>> Rev Chain Smerker wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Produce it, then we will consider the remainder of your post.
>> >
>> >> >> >> >Tell me specically what what you evidence you are requesting so
> I
>> > may
>> >> > be as thorough as possible. Please do not respond with some vague
>> >> > generality that can only be answered by several thousand lines of
> text.
>> >
>> >
>> >> >> >> Asking for objective evidence is not being vague. Your response
> is
>> > an
>> >> >> >> evasion, and it is an obvious one.
>> >
>> >> >> > Do not be obtuse. I ask you what specific evidence you are
>> >> >> > asking
>> > for
>> >> > and you accuse in return. If you really want evidence then ask for
> it
>> >> >> > specifically. If you intend to be vague and reply in an ignorant
>> >> > fashion then please simply do not reply.
>> >
>> >> >> > incite each other to love and fine works.....
>> >> >> > The Smitty
>> >
>> >> >> You are the one claiming there is a god.
>> >> >> What evidence do you have for your claim?
>> >
>> >> > Yes, and there is evidence that I accept as evidence and you may
>> >> > also if
>> >> > your heart condition is acceptable. Before I place the evidence I
> find
>> >> > worthy, here, for your examination, we need to know one thing first.
>> >> > It is
>> >
>> >> You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
>> >> There's a Perl program for that you can download--
>> >>
>> >> http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
>> >>
> http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
>> >>
>> >
>> > Im more interested in audio work
>>
>> What sort of computer ya got?
>> Windows and Mac cost bucks software wise.
>> To start with low dollar freeby Linux SW check out Audacity.
>> Its essentially free, you can edit up to 24 tracks on hard disk.
>> There is JACK, a low latency sound server that allows all sorts
>> of freeby Linux SW to run on a reasonable X86 box, including
>> SW synthesizer and special effects SW. You can warp or twist
>> or stretch or shift sound samples and have all sorts of fun.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dance, monkeys, dance!
>>
>> Cheerful Charlie
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:57:29 -0800
--------
When any variety of Linux has drivers for my DVraptor and Aark-24 10 channel
AD/DA gizmos, I'll gladly pay for it.
Does Linux have access to the equivalent of WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE, as in one
audio file with more than two channels in it, like 16 and up?
I'm not talking 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 or any of them phony so-called surround sound
audio files either. Where's the up & down in Dolby or DTS 'surround',
anyway?
"wcb" wrote in message
news:cqvo3r$5hi@library2.airnews.net...
> Rev. 11D Meow! wrote:
>
> > Free?
> >
> > Like In Free Beer?
>
>
> Free. In like Free Beer.
>
> Great stuff to play with if you don't have $1000
> in spare change for software you may buy and not use.
> I just spent like $20 for a set of 6 Mandrake 10.1
> CDs. Loaded it up and Audacity, a 24 track sound
> editor is there all ready to go and play with.
> You'd need a good soundboard of course, and a fair
> CPU and a good chunk of hard disk, but load up samples
> by the gazoo and play all night.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > "wcb" wrote in message
> > news:cqq8r1$djg@library1.airnews.net...
> >> Rev Chain Smerker wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Produce it, then we will consider the remainder of your
post.
> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Tell me specically what what you evidence you are requesting
so
> > I
> >> > may
> >> >> > be as thorough as possible. Please do not respond with some vague
> >> >> > generality that can only be answered by several thousand lines of
> > text.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Asking for objective evidence is not being vague. Your
response
> > is
> >> > an
> >> >> >> >> evasion, and it is an obvious one.
> >> >
> >> >> >> > Do not be obtuse. I ask you what specific evidence you are
> >> >> >> > asking
> >> > for
> >> >> > and you accuse in return. If you really want evidence then ask
for
> > it
> >> >> >> > specifically. If you intend to be vague and reply in an
ignorant
> >> >> > fashion then please simply do not reply.
> >> >
> >> >> >> > incite each other to love and fine works.....
> >> >> >> > The Smitty
> >> >
> >> >> >> You are the one claiming there is a god.
> >> >> >> What evidence do you have for your claim?
> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and there is evidence that I accept as evidence and you may
> >> >> > also if
> >> >> > your heart condition is acceptable. Before I place the evidence I
> > find
> >> >> > worthy, here, for your examination, we need to know one thing
first.
> >> >> > It is
> >> >
> >> >> You mean the W. S. Burroughs/Brion Gysin cut-ups?
> >> >> There's a Perl program for that you can download--
> >> >>
> >> >> http://dsl.org/comp/cutups.shtml
> >> >>
> >
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/permutations/sources/Gysin_Cutup.pl
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Im more interested in audio work
> >>
> >> What sort of computer ya got?
> >> Windows and Mac cost bucks software wise.
> >> To start with low dollar freeby Linux SW check out Audacity.
> >> Its essentially free, you can edit up to 24 tracks on hard disk.
> >> There is JACK, a low latency sound server that allows all sorts
> >> of freeby Linux SW to run on a reasonable X86 box, including
> >> SW synthesizer and special effects SW. You can warp or twist
> >> or stretch or shift sound samples and have all sorts of fun.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dance, monkeys, dance!
> >>
> >> Cheerful Charlie
>
> --
> Dance, monkeys, dance!
>
> Cheerful Charlie
Correspondent:: "Giles"
Date: 30 Dec 2004 22:56:55 -0800
--------
Rev. 11D Meow! wrote:
Your all-time smartest investment will be in $5,000+ per channel
impervious
to physical harm Microphones (and portable Phantom-power pre-amps per
each),
Digital Audio Tape or Solid State Recorder with $10,000 in tape or RAM
media
to build up a collection of stuff you can call your own...
>
> I'm not talking 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 or any of them phony so-called surround
sound
> audio files either. Where's the up & down in Dolby or DTS
'surround',
> anyway?
Try: http://www.ambisonic.net/
for those on a budget:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/henry01/cheap_soundfield/cheap_soundfield.htm
"A three-dimensional surround sound Ambisonic recording can be captured
using a tetrahedrally arranged quartet of cardioid pattern microphone
capsules connected to some simple circuitry to convert the outputs to a
standard B-format signal. B-format signals represent a 3D soundfield
with four signals; X,Y and Z representing three orthogonal figure of
eight patterns and an omnidirectional W reference signal. The
commercially available product is very "high-end" in both quality and
price. This article describes a lower quality but much cheaper version
for experimentation. For more info, try a search for ambisonics; There
is a good page at the university of York.
UHJ in this instance is a stereo compatible phase matrixed method of
cramming horizontal surround only B-format W, X and Y signals into 2
stereo channels. This can be decoded back into B-format W, X and Y for
playback into a B-format to speaker feed decoder."
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:51:38 -0800
--------
Been there, done that...
It's a nice idea, but what I'm working is way beyond Ambisonics.
There's one small problem with ALL 3D 'surround' systems...
Doppler Effect.
I've got a way around that little problem of having to swing audio
transducers around to make it work for an audience of more than one
stationary listener.
heh heh...
"Giles" wrote in message
news:1104476214.980883.135380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Rev. 11D Meow! wrote:
>
> Your all-time smartest investment will be in $5,000+ per channel
> impervious
> to physical harm Microphones (and portable Phantom-power pre-amps per
> each),
> Digital Audio Tape or Solid State Recorder with $10,000 in tape or RAM
> media
> to build up a collection of stuff you can call your own...
>>
>> I'm not talking 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 or any of them phony so-called surround
> sound
>> audio files either. Where's the up & down in Dolby or DTS
> 'surround',
>> anyway?
>
>
> Try: http://www.ambisonic.net/
>
> for those on a budget:
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/henry01/cheap_soundfield/cheap_soundfield.htm
>
> "A three-dimensional surround sound Ambisonic recording can be captured
> using a tetrahedrally arranged quartet of cardioid pattern microphone
> capsules connected to some simple circuitry to convert the outputs to a
> standard B-format signal. B-format signals represent a 3D soundfield
> with four signals; X,Y and Z representing three orthogonal figure of
> eight patterns and an omnidirectional W reference signal. The
> commercially available product is very "high-end" in both quality and
> price. This article describes a lower quality but much cheaper version
> for experimentation. For more info, try a search for ambisonics; There
> is a good page at the university of York.
> UHJ in this instance is a stereo compatible phase matrixed method of
> cramming horizontal surround only B-format W, X and Y signals into 2
> stereo channels. This can be decoded back into B-format W, X and Y for
> playback into a B-format to speaker feed decoder."
>
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:09:06 -0800
--------
PS. They're only half-way on with this particular mic setup.
"Rev. 11D Meow!" wrote in message
news:ftCdnbJZJ-PZsUvcRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> Been there, done that...
>
> It's a nice idea, but what I'm working is way beyond Ambisonics.
>
> There's one small problem with ALL 3D 'surround' systems...
>
> Doppler Effect.
>
> I've got a way around that little problem of having to swing audio
> transducers around to make it work for an audience of more than one
> stationary listener.
>
>
> heh heh...
>
>
>
> "Giles" wrote in message
> news:1104476214.980883.135380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Rev. 11D Meow! wrote:
>>
>> Your all-time smartest investment will be in $5,000+ per channel
>> impervious
>> to physical harm Microphones (and portable Phantom-power pre-amps per
>> each),
>> Digital Audio Tape or Solid State Recorder with $10,000 in tape or RAM
>> media
>> to build up a collection of stuff you can call your own...
>>>
>>> I'm not talking 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 or any of them phony so-called surround
>> sound
>>> audio files either. Where's the up & down in Dolby or DTS
>> 'surround',
>>> anyway?
>>
>>
>> Try: http://www.ambisonic.net/
>>
>> for those on a budget:
>>
>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/henry01/cheap_soundfield/cheap_soundfield.htm
>>
>> "A three-dimensional surround sound Ambisonic recording can be captured
>> using a tetrahedrally arranged quartet of cardioid pattern microphone
>> capsules connected to some simple circuitry to convert the outputs to a
>> standard B-format signal. B-format signals represent a 3D soundfield
>> with four signals; X,Y and Z representing three orthogonal figure of
>> eight patterns and an omnidirectional W reference signal. The
>> commercially available product is very "high-end" in both quality and
>> price. This article describes a lower quality but much cheaper version
>> for experimentation. For more info, try a search for ambisonics; There
>> is a good page at the university of York.
>> UHJ in this instance is a stereo compatible phase matrixed method of
>> cramming horizontal surround only B-format W, X and Y signals into 2
>> stereo channels. This can be decoded back into B-format W, X and Y for
>> playback into a B-format to speaker feed decoder."
>>
>
>
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:24:55 GMT
--------
In article <0Dszd.88566$K7.54929@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Rev Chain Smerker" wrote:
> Im more interested in audio work
I would recommend Steinberg's Cubase SE or SL. They are pretty darned
intutive, very reasonably-priced and well-stocked with many basic
utilities. There are other good and even free products about, but this
is a very rewarding one. Stang uses SX and I use Cubasis VST, if you
woul consdier that a recommendation, eieieie, but SE and SL are
ultimately the juicy mid-line versions that you can plumb for ages and
they are open-ended enough that you are unlikely to ever hit the
proverbial wall. Search for others, but consider this a good basline
comparison prog.
http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2124&Langue_ID=2
--
HellPope Huey
People applauded rather than throwing fruit.
I take this as a good sign.
Infinite goodness
is creating a being you know, in advance,
is going to complain.
- William Peter Blatty, "Ninth Configuration"
"Does the noise in my head bother you,
bother you, bother you, bother you?"
- Loop Guru, "Loop Bites Dog"
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:55:28 -0600
--------
In article
, HellPope
Huey wrote:
> In article <0Dszd.88566$K7.54929@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "Rev Chain Smerker" wrote:
>
> > Im more interested in audio work
>
> I would recommend Steinberg's Cubase SE or SL. They are pretty darned
> intutive, very reasonably-priced and well-stocked with many basic
> utilities. There are other good and even free products about, but this
> is a very rewarding one. Stang uses SX
I have never used Cubase or any other multitrack audio program outside
of the ones that come with video editing programs. I have copies of
them but I have never used them.
> and I use Cubasis VST, if you
> woul consdier that a recommendation, eieieie, but SE and SL are
> ultimately the juicy mid-line versions that you can plumb for ages and
> they are open-ended enough that you are unlikely to ever hit the
> proverbial wall. Search for others, but consider this a good basline
> comparison prog.
>
> http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2124&Langue_ID=2
>
> --
>
> HellPope Huey
> People applauded rather than throwing fruit.
> I take this as a good sign.
>
> Infinite goodness
> is creating a being you know, in advance,
> is going to complain.
> - William Peter Blatty, "Ninth Configuration"
>
> "Does the noise in my head bother you,
> bother you, bother you, bother you?"
> - Loop Guru, "Loop Bites Dog"
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:16:13 GMT
--------
In article <291220040055284142%stang@subNOSPUMgenius.com>,
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> In article
> , HellPope
> Huey wrote:
> > I would recommend Steinberg's Cubase SE or SL. They are pretty darned
> > intutive, very reasonably-priced and well-stocked with many basic
> > utilities. There are other good and even free products about, but this
> > is a very rewarding one. Stang uses SX
>
> I have never used Cubase or any other multitrack audio program outside
> of the ones that come with video editing programs. I have copies of
> them but I have never used them.
Well that's a navel-popping shame. Further proof that everything we
THINK we know about one another is WRONG, hargh.
--
HellPope Huey
Oh shut up, its only a chainsaw
"Straight male seeks Bush supporter
for fair, physical fight - m4m.
I would like to fight a Bush supporter to vent my anger.
If you are one & have a fiery streak, please contact me
so we can meet and physically fight.
I would like to beat the shit out of you."
- Craig's List
"I don't wanna just rain on your parade,
I wanna blow up the floats."
- "Law & Order"
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 01:11:03 -0500
--------
On 12/26/04 12:20 AM, in article
cSrzd.88514$K7.24013@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "Rev Chain Smerker"
wrote:
> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
First things first:
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
That would be Nelson Thall's BOB'S MEDIA ECOLOGY SQUARED with Negativeland.
>
> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
Don't start here. Too dumb. The main retards being:
ivan stang
nenslo
hellpope huey
nu-monet
joe cosby
König Prüß
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: "Rev Chain Smerker"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:19:18 GMT
--------
"purple" wrote in message
news:BDF3C027.11A25%purple@tellurian.com...
> First things first:
>
> FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
> you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
> Don't start here. Too dumb. The main retards being:
>
> ivan stang
>
> nenslo
>
> hellpope huey
>
> nu-monet
>
> joe cosby
>
> König Prüß
>
>
>
> The Great Bob Dobbs
>
Well gollie-gosh :-)
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 01:32:34 -0500
--------
On 12/26/04 1:19 AM, in article
GJszd.88568$K7.19513@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "Rev Chain Smerker"
wrote:
>
> "purple" wrote in message
> news:BDF3C027.11A25%purple@tellurian.com...
>
>> First things first:
>>
>> FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>> you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>> Don't start here. Too dumb. The main retards being:
>>
>> ivan stang
>>
>> nenslo
>>
>> hellpope huey
>>
>> nu-monet
>>
>> joe cosby
>>
>> König Prüß
>>
>>
>>
>> The Great Bob Dobbs
>>
>
> Well gollie-gosh :-)
>
;)
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: asscoassc@aol.comBLOWME (AssCo Assc)
Date: 26 Dec 2004 20:18:11 GMT
--------
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:40:56 -0600
--------
In article , Rev Chain
Smerker wrote:
> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
You can do audio collage using the very most basic media programs that
come free with Windows or MAc OS. The free program Quicktime allows for
easy drag-and-drop editing and re-ordering of chunks of sound. I would
imagine that Windows Media Player allows the same thing.
Slick collage arteests use slicker programs such as ProTools, Logic,
Reason, etc. I personally use a video editing program (the free iMovie
or the expensive Final Cut Pro) to mix multitrack audio, but for plain
cut-ups in stereo (not layering track upon track), Peak is handy-dandy,
at least in the Mac world.
But two plain ordinary cheap cassette decks can be used and if you have
a $25 mixer from Radio Shack (so you can "double-expose" two sounds
together simultaneously) then you're REALLY hot to trot.
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
You may be thinking of the film Sonic Outlaws (?) by... damn, I even
know the guy and worked with him... I'll remember later... Chuck
something... the band you're thinking of is Negativland. They are far
from the first to "mash" existing "found sound" but they made it the
most famous, partly due to notoriety from an album they did called
"U2," which used cut-ups of the band U2 mixed with some Casey Kasem
out-takes (procured from a friend of mine, as it turns out, a guy who
worked with the soundman who worked with Kasem) -- anyway, neither U2
nor Kasem were happy about this and sued the fuck out of Negativland's
record company, who then turned around and in full fink fashion JOINED
in suing Negativland.
The Negativland guys are old friends of the SubGenius main audio
workers in San Francisco (Hal Robins, Puzzling Evidence, Phineas Narco
etc.) and in fact their second live show was at the SubGenius devival
in SF in 1984 where "Bob" got shot. Mark Hosler from Negativland helped
with sound effects and craziness on a lot of our shows in the 90s on
the West Coast. Another person/band who is really good with this
technique and also is Sub-friendly is/are The Bran Flakes. (Try
negativland.com and thebranflakes.com.)
One of the Negativland guys, Don Joyce, has a weekly show on KPFA in
San Francisco called Over the Edge, which comes on just before the
SubGenius SF show Puzzling Evidence, and he frequently "jams" with
Puzzling and Phineas and Philo Drummond.
If you ask me, Negativland's greatest achivement was "A BIg Ten-Eight
Place," an LP from the early 80s which was made using 1/4" reel to reel
taoe and razor-blade splices (I have seen the actual master tape...
it's nothing BUT splices.) So you CAN do collage with ancient
old-school gear. I did hundreds of Hours of Slack that way using
CASSETTE DECKS and the whole time, people thought I was using fancy
computers.
>
> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
>
Record some cartoons and radio off the air onto ANYTHING, a cassette or
a computer, who cares... then start playing with the bits that catch
your ear. The audio programs mostly come with filters like echo and
phasing which you can use to add weirdness, if the crazy cutting isn't
weirdness enough.
Some people do random collage, which to me is generally boring and
pointless. Others do collages around a theme of some sort, and even
compose their mixes like one would compose music, with a slow
beginning, building to a crescendo of medness, or whatever.
It's one of my favorite art forms when it's done well... as might be
obvious from any Hour of Slack. Right now the guy who's doing the most
kick-ass SubCollage is Mister Fernandinande LeMur, IMHO.
Stanley Kubrick used to tell aspiring film makers who asked him how to
get started, "JUST START MAKING A MOVIE... 8mm, a flip-it animation in
the corners of a paperback book, ANYTHING." Just the act of getting
started with ANY media gear will teach you more than any number of
books or courses.
Start with a $30 cassette recorder, or the free audio prgrams available
at download.com, and go from there!
If you come up with something good that has "Bob" in it, or any basic
anti-Con tone to it, or even something just funny as hell, then post it
to alt.binaries.slack or email me an MP3! Or mail me a cassette or CD!
Most of Hour of Slack is from SubGenius contributions made by folks who
are basically talented amateurs. In fact I try to avoid playing
anything that's owned by a record company, except as background or for
sarcastic purposes.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:55:31 GMT
--------
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> In article , Rev Chain
> Smerker wrote:
>
> > You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
> > kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> You can do audio collage using the very most basic media programs that
> come free with Windows or MAc OS. The free program Quicktime allows for
> easy drag-and-drop editing and re-ordering of chunks of sound. I would
> imagine that Windows Media Player allows the same thing.
>
> Slick collage arteests use slicker programs such as ProTools, Logic,
> Reason, etc. I personally use a video editing program (the free iMovie
> or the expensive Final Cut Pro) to mix multitrack audio, but for plain
> cut-ups in stereo (not layering track upon track), Peak is handy-dandy,
> at least in the Mac world.
>
I heard that the "DJ Studio" course at UC Berkeley is one of the most
booked-up courses; I can just see all of the trust-fund kiddies in dreadlocks
busy at "Scratch 101"
Correspondent:: "iDRMRSR"
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:04:36 -0500
--------
I still use a thing called COOLEDIT which unfortunately got sold out to
someone and is no longer available, though honestly I have to believe it's
out there in Cyberspace for the grabbing.
Rilly, audio stuff is just like editing photos. You clip and cut and paste
and blend things in. Amazingly, I use a hunk of shit piece of commercial
software called Ulead PhotoImpact 8. Thing is, you get to where you no
longer have to even consult the menus if you use it enough, and then
unfortunately you are stuck. I couldn't write my name in Times Roman in
another art package.
Become one with your chosen editing software, grasshopper. I happen to
prefer Windoze shit, again because that's what I mind melded with at werke.
I'm addicted to the RIGHT CLICK and the "context menu".
But soon I say we'll have a generation of newbies that not only don't want
to physically cut up magnetic tape (egad!) or (shudder) FILLUM, they will
bitch about how HARD IT IS to DRAG and DROP all those heavy soundlets or
imagelets into position. Just to approximate a sound that is inside their
head being composed.
Wonder what MS will charge for its first mind-reading OS? Heh Heh.
[*]
-----
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:12:59 -0500
--------
Smerk,
Don't waste your time doin' collage - it's the stupidest artform of the last
24 years. Turns you into a somnambulist of the pinkest (American Subgenie)
order.
Follow my melody. There lies genuine revelry.
The Great Bob Dobbs
On 12/26/04 1:40 PM, in article
261220041240562434%stang@subNOSPUMgenius.com, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
wrote:
> In article , Rev Chain
> Smerker wrote:
>
>> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
>> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> You can do audio collage using the very most basic media programs that
> come free with Windows or MAc OS. The free program Quicktime allows for
> easy drag-and-drop editing and re-ordering of chunks of sound. I would
> imagine that Windows Media Player allows the same thing.
>
> Slick collage arteests use slicker programs such as ProTools, Logic,
> Reason, etc. I personally use a video editing program (the free iMovie
> or the expensive Final Cut Pro) to mix multitrack audio, but for plain
> cut-ups in stereo (not layering track upon track), Peak is handy-dandy,
> at least in the Mac world.
>
> But two plain ordinary cheap cassette decks can be used and if you have
> a $25 mixer from Radio Shack (so you can "double-expose" two sounds
> together simultaneously) then you're REALLY hot to trot.
>>
>> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
>> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
>> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
>> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
> You may be thinking of the film Sonic Outlaws (?) by... damn, I even
> know the guy and worked with him... I'll remember later... Chuck
> something... the band you're thinking of is Negativland. They are far
> from the first to "mash" existing "found sound" but they made it the
> most famous, partly due to notoriety from an album they did called
> "U2," which used cut-ups of the band U2 mixed with some Casey Kasem
> out-takes (procured from a friend of mine, as it turns out, a guy who
> worked with the soundman who worked with Kasem) -- anyway, neither U2
> nor Kasem were happy about this and sued the fuck out of Negativland's
> record company, who then turned around and in full fink fashion JOINED
> in suing Negativland.
>
> The Negativland guys are old friends of the SubGenius main audio
> workers in San Francisco (Hal Robins, Puzzling Evidence, Phineas Narco
> etc.) and in fact their second live show was at the SubGenius devival
> in SF in 1984 where "Bob" got shot. Mark Hosler from Negativland helped
> with sound effects and craziness on a lot of our shows in the 90s on
> the West Coast. Another person/band who is really good with this
> technique and also is Sub-friendly is/are The Bran Flakes. (Try
> negativland.com and thebranflakes.com.)
>
> One of the Negativland guys, Don Joyce, has a weekly show on KPFA in
> San Francisco called Over the Edge, which comes on just before the
> SubGenius SF show Puzzling Evidence, and he frequently "jams" with
> Puzzling and Phineas and Philo Drummond.
>
> If you ask me, Negativland's greatest achivement was "A BIg Ten-Eight
> Place," an LP from the early 80s which was made using 1/4" reel to reel
> taoe and razor-blade splices (I have seen the actual master tape...
> it's nothing BUT splices.) So you CAN do collage with ancient
> old-school gear. I did hundreds of Hours of Slack that way using
> CASSETTE DECKS and the whole time, people thought I was using fancy
> computers.
>>
>> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>>
>>
>
> Record some cartoons and radio off the air onto ANYTHING, a cassette or
> a computer, who cares... then start playing with the bits that catch
> your ear. The audio programs mostly come with filters like echo and
> phasing which you can use to add weirdness, if the crazy cutting isn't
> weirdness enough.
>
> Some people do random collage, which to me is generally boring and
> pointless. Others do collages around a theme of some sort, and even
> compose their mixes like one would compose music, with a slow
> beginning, building to a crescendo of medness, or whatever.
>
> It's one of my favorite art forms when it's done well... as might be
> obvious from any Hour of Slack. Right now the guy who's doing the most
> kick-ass SubCollage is Mister Fernandinande LeMur, IMHO.
>
> Stanley Kubrick used to tell aspiring film makers who asked him how to
> get started, "JUST START MAKING A MOVIE... 8mm, a flip-it animation in
> the corners of a paperback book, ANYTHING." Just the act of getting
> started with ANY media gear will teach you more than any number of
> books or courses.
>
> Start with a $30 cassette recorder, or the free audio prgrams available
> at download.com, and go from there!
>
> If you come up with something good that has "Bob" in it, or any basic
> anti-Con tone to it, or even something just funny as hell, then post it
> to alt.binaries.slack or email me an MP3! Or mail me a cassette or CD!
> Most of Hour of Slack is from SubGenius contributions made by folks who
> are basically talented amateurs. In fact I try to avoid playing
> anything that's owned by a record company, except as background or for
> sarcastic purposes.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:27:47 GMT
--------
purple wrote:
> Smerk,
>
> Don't waste your time doin' collage - it's the stupidest artform of the last
> 24 years. Turns you into a somnambulist of the pinkest (American Subgenie)
> order.
>
> Follow my melody. There lies genuine revelry.
>
I'll say! Looks like you're doin' the funky chicken on exlax!
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:58:19 -0500
--------
On 12/26/04 8:27 PM, in article 41CF6501.7CFD6F0A@ranunculus.org, "König
Prüß, GfbAEV" wrote:
> purple wrote:
>
>> Smerk,
>>
>> Don't waste your time doin' collage - it's the stupidest artform of the last
>> 24 years. Turns you into a somnambulist of the pinkest (American Subgenie)
>> order.
>>
>> Follow my melody. There lies genuine revelry.
>>
> I'll say! Looks like you're doin' the funky chicken on exlax!
You'll be using exlax before I will - if you aren't already. I have never
used it and never will because I know my bodies. You, however, are not so
lucky unless you get in line.
As for the funky chicken, no way - my dancing is known for its Cecil Taylor
variations on Grateful Dead themes.
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: Bonecho
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:27:49 -0400
--------
in article BDF4CBCB.11A9E%purple@tellurian.com, the chip body known as
purple engaged in voluntary ESP from purple@tellurian.com on 12/26/04 9:12
PM:
>
> Smerk,
>
> Don't waste your time doin' collage - it's the stupidest artform of the last
> 24 years. Turns you into a somnambulist of the pinkest (American Subgenie)
> order.
>
> Follow my melody. There lies genuine revelry.
>
HEAR! HEAR!
>
> The Great Bob Dobbs
>
>
> On 12/26/04 1:40 PM, in article
> 261220041240562434%stang@subNOSPUMgenius.com, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
> wrote:
>
>> In article , Rev Chain
>> Smerker wrote:
>>
>>> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
>>> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>>
>> You can do audio collage using the very most basic media programs that
>> come free with Windows or MAc OS. The free program Quicktime allows for
>> easy drag-and-drop editing and re-ordering of chunks of sound. I would
>> imagine that Windows Media Player allows the same thing.
>>
>> Slick collage arteests use slicker programs such as ProTools, Logic,
>> Reason, etc. I personally use a video editing program (the free iMovie
>> or the expensive Final Cut Pro) to mix multitrack audio, but for plain
>> cut-ups in stereo (not layering track upon track), Peak is handy-dandy,
>> at least in the Mac world.
>>
>> But two plain ordinary cheap cassette decks can be used and if you have
>> a $25 mixer from Radio Shack (so you can "double-expose" two sounds
>> together simultaneously) then you're REALLY hot to trot.
>>>
>>> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
>>> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
>>> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
>>> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>>
>> You may be thinking of the film Sonic Outlaws (?) by... damn, I even
>> know the guy and worked with him... I'll remember later... Chuck
>> something... the band you're thinking of is Negativland. They are far
>> from the first to "mash" existing "found sound" but they made it the
>> most famous, partly due to notoriety from an album they did called
>> "U2," which used cut-ups of the band U2 mixed with some Casey Kasem
>> out-takes (procured from a friend of mine, as it turns out, a guy who
>> worked with the soundman who worked with Kasem) -- anyway, neither U2
>> nor Kasem were happy about this and sued the fuck out of Negativland's
>> record company, who then turned around and in full fink fashion JOINED
>> in suing Negativland.
>>
>> The Negativland guys are old friends of the SubGenius main audio
>> workers in San Francisco (Hal Robins, Puzzling Evidence, Phineas Narco
>> etc.) and in fact their second live show was at the SubGenius devival
>> in SF in 1984 where "Bob" got shot. Mark Hosler from Negativland helped
>> with sound effects and craziness on a lot of our shows in the 90s on
>> the West Coast. Another person/band who is really good with this
>> technique and also is Sub-friendly is/are The Bran Flakes. (Try
>> negativland.com and thebranflakes.com.)
>>
>> One of the Negativland guys, Don Joyce, has a weekly show on KPFA in
>> San Francisco called Over the Edge, which comes on just before the
>> SubGenius SF show Puzzling Evidence, and he frequently "jams" with
>> Puzzling and Phineas and Philo Drummond.
>>
>> If you ask me, Negativland's greatest achivement was "A BIg Ten-Eight
>> Place," an LP from the early 80s which was made using 1/4" reel to reel
>> taoe and razor-blade splices (I have seen the actual master tape...
>> it's nothing BUT splices.) So you CAN do collage with ancient
>> old-school gear. I did hundreds of Hours of Slack that way using
>> CASSETTE DECKS and the whole time, people thought I was using fancy
>> computers.
>>>
>>> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Record some cartoons and radio off the air onto ANYTHING, a cassette or
>> a computer, who cares... then start playing with the bits that catch
>> your ear. The audio programs mostly come with filters like echo and
>> phasing which you can use to add weirdness, if the crazy cutting isn't
>> weirdness enough.
>>
>> Some people do random collage, which to me is generally boring and
>> pointless. Others do collages around a theme of some sort, and even
>> compose their mixes like one would compose music, with a slow
>> beginning, building to a crescendo of medness, or whatever.
>>
>> It's one of my favorite art forms when it's done well... as might be
>> obvious from any Hour of Slack. Right now the guy who's doing the most
>> kick-ass SubCollage is Mister Fernandinande LeMur, IMHO.
>>
>> Stanley Kubrick used to tell aspiring film makers who asked him how to
>> get started, "JUST START MAKING A MOVIE... 8mm, a flip-it animation in
>> the corners of a paperback book, ANYTHING." Just the act of getting
>> started with ANY media gear will teach you more than any number of
>> books or courses.
>>
>> Start with a $30 cassette recorder, or the free audio prgrams available
>> at download.com, and go from there!
>>
>> If you come up with something good that has "Bob" in it, or any basic
>> anti-Con tone to it, or even something just funny as hell, then post it
>> to alt.binaries.slack or email me an MP3! Or mail me a cassette or CD!
>> Most of Hour of Slack is from SubGenius contributions made by folks who
>> are basically talented amateurs. In fact I try to avoid playing
>> anything that's owned by a record company, except as background or for
>> sarcastic purposes.
>
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:02:13 -0500
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On 12/27/04 5:27 PM, in article BDF604A4.1000E%bon_echo22@hotmail.com,
"Bonecho" wrote:
> in article BDF4CBCB.11A9E%purple@tellurian.com, the chip body known as
> purple engaged in voluntary ESP from purple@tellurian.com on 12/26/04 9:12
> PM:
>
>>
>> Smerk,
>>
>> Don't waste your time doin' collage - it's the stupidest artform of the last
>> 24 years. Turns you into a somnambulist of the pinkest (American Subgenie)
>> order.
>>
>> Follow my melody. There lies genuine revelry.
>>
>
> HEAR! HEAR!
Yes, the new sexuality is right here:
http://www.carolyndean.com
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:25:31 +1100
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> Some people do random collage, which to me is generally boring and
> pointless.
that's because they don't do it right.
use some text mangler like babble.exe or that other emacs one to produce
pages of gibberish, yeah. anyone can do that. produce a huge amount of
it. then *edit* it in a linear manner; find a word that strikes some
chord with you and then delete everything after it until you come to a
word that sits neatly with the first one. this can take time, but it
takes advantage of the randomness, to bring together words that are
rarely seen together. it alo speaks volumes about the person doing it.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:57:48 -0600
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In article <33dc5bF3a505fU1@individual.net>, nikolai kingsley
wrote:
> > Some people do random collage, which to me is generally boring and
> > pointless.
>
>
>
> that's because they don't do it right.
>
> use some text mangler like babble.exe or that other emacs one to produce
> pages of gibberish, yeah. anyone can do that. produce a huge amount of
> it. then *edit* it in a linear manner; find a word that strikes some
> chord with you and then delete everything after it until you come to a
> word that sits neatly with the first one. this can take time, but it
> takes advantage of the randomness, to bring together words that are
> rarely seen together. it alo speaks volumes about the person doing it.
It's also NOT RANDOM. The process only STARTS OUT that way. What
collage doesn't?
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:25:57 -0800
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Uh, er, like, Wow Man!
Isn't that what 112% of alt.slack consists of?
yeesh....
"nikolai kingsley" wrote in message
news:33dc5bF3a505fU1@individual.net...
>
> > Some people do random collage, which to me is generally boring and
> > pointless.
>
>
>
> that's because they don't do it right.
>
> use some text mangler like babble.exe or that other emacs one to produce
> pages of gibberish, yeah. anyone can do that. produce a huge amount of
> it. then *edit* it in a linear manner; find a word that strikes some
> chord with you and then delete everything after it until you come to a
> word that sits neatly with the first one. this can take time, but it
> takes advantage of the randomness, to bring together words that are
> rarely seen together. it alo speaks volumes about the person doing it.
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:12:12 -0500
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:20:08 GMT, "Rev Chain Smerker"
wrote:
>You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but what
>kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
>was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing what
>ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
>group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
>Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
I don't understand what you want to do. You said in the thread that
it's audio you want to cut up...are you referring to doing "blends" or
remixes of songs? Like the "mashups" which is the cheap rock knock
off of blends which hiphop has been doing forever? I mean...is this a
music thing and do you want it to sound good when you're done, or are
you looking for randomness?
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The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino"
Date: 26 Dec 2004 19:22:26 -0800
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Hey, I make a lot of my own cut ups, although I still haven't gotten
around to posting anything to alt.binaries.slack, because my server
doesn't carry it and I'm too lazy to call them up and demand it. I
really should soon, though. To do list for tomorrow..
Anyhoo, I have a roomate in a band, the Pop-Tart Monkeys
(www.poptartmonkeys.com) and he let me rip off a program called Vegas,
a professional audio recording and splicing tool. It's the one most
Hollywood types use, if you look on, say, the Lord of the Rings extra
footage about the music of the trilogy, you can see it running in the
background. It's pretty user friendly and one of those "simple to
learn, lifetime to master" deals. So far, it's the best of the ones I
used, although it's designed to work in tandem with an outsourcing
program like Cool Edit for doing things with the audio like making
wacky effects. It's expensive as hell, but if you can find a copy on
Kazza or whatever, it's well worth the possibility of being
incarcerated for the deed.
Correspondent:: wcb
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:07:49 -0600
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Rev Chain Smerker wrote:
> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but
> what kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups
> etc,
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing
> what ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway
> that group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
Collage....
Compter, good sound board, Linux, Audacity and similar
software. Talent.
U2, the Negativland CD-EP.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:10:36 -0500
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:07:49 -0600, wcb wrote:
> Compter, good sound board, Linux, Audacity and similar
> software. Talent.
What's Audacity up to these days? I heard somewhere that it
was an off-shoot of the program I use, called MixMagic.
MixMagic is an abandoned open source project by some guy.
I like it because it has the unique feature (at least in
Linux) of allowing you to adjust the size of the clips you
insert in the tracks. You can also move the clips around.
Makes it very easy to paste stuff together and then tweak
it till its just right. For some reason no other (Linux)
audio editors that I've found attempt to provide those features.
I've just recently become familiar enough with the MixMagic
source code to be able to start hacking it and have added a
few much needed features. I'm not distributing those hacks
though. Too much work.
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Correspondent:: wcb
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:05:14 -0600
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Artemia Salina wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:07:49 -0600, wcb wrote:
>
>> Compter, good sound board, Linux, Audacity and similar
>> software. Talent.
>
> What's Audacity up to these days? I heard somewhere that it
> was an off-shoot of the program I use, called MixMagic.
Its apparently now a fairly mature bit of software.
I just loaded Mandrake 10.1 and it comes with Audacity.
I was going to play with it but the 'puter with the good
soundboard just died and I think my turntable's cartridge
finally croaked.
I was going to load a few LPs into hard disk and play
with cleaning them up et al.
The new Linux 2.6 kernal apparently works well with this.
> MixMagic is an abandoned open source project by some guy.
> I like it because it has the unique feature (at least in
> Linux) of allowing you to adjust the size of the clips you
> insert in the tracks. You can also move the clips around.
> Makes it very easy to paste stuff together and then tweak
> it till its just right. For some reason no other (Linux)
> audio editors that I've found attempt to provide those features.
I am not sure, but it may have something to do with JACK, which
apparently Audacity works with. JACK is a sound server that
deals with some serious real time low latency problems,
which apparently the new 2.6 Linux kernal is OK with.
It made dealing with moving big chunks of sound around tricky.
> I've just recently become familiar enough with the MixMagic
> source code to be able to start hacking it and have added a
> few much needed features. I'm not distributing those hacks
> though. Too much work.
I dunno. Like I said, I just loaded Mandrake 10.1.
I spent like $20 for 6 disks from one of the online Linux
CD distributers. Audacity comes with this and so its probable
that whatever you were wanting to add may be in this.
I am not sure what the situation is with JACK and the 2.6 kernal.
With its better VM and better latency, 2.6 may not need JACK
any more I don't know. JACK did work well apparently as a sound
server allowing lots of good SW to play togther nice.
Allowing all sorts of good soft synths and MIDI stuff and
plug in effects and other goodies. But it probably would demand
a halfway decent CPU and memory.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:54 -0500
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:05:14 -0600, wcb wrote:
> Artemia Salina wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:07:49 -0600, wcb wrote:
>>
>>> Compter, good sound board, Linux, Audacity and similar
>>> software. Talent.
>>
>> What's Audacity up to these days? I heard somewhere that it
>> was an off-shoot of the program I use, called MixMagic.
>
>
> Its apparently now a fairly mature bit of software.
> I just loaded Mandrake 10.1 and it comes with Audacity.
I just checked the web page, and Audacity still doesn't let you
resize a clip or re-arrange them. That's a feature I can't live
without when doing collages.
> I was going to play with it but the 'puter with the good
> soundboard just died and I think my turntable's cartridge
> finally croaked.
> I was going to load a few LPs into hard disk and play
> with cleaning them up et al.
You probably already know about GWC, but if not, I can attest
to its impressive abilities at de-noising old recordings.
http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
> I am not sure, but it may have something to do with JACK, which
> apparently Audacity works with.
I had forgotten about JACK. I dropped out of ALSA development
before JACK came along. I ought to look into JACK-enabling
MixMagic.
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Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:45:22 -0800
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If you can't perform a reverse echo smeared through a eighth-wavelength
720-degree phasored 13 1/2 second delay Moogerfiltered Mutron III backwards
in real-time freeze-fronglificated Harley engine through your nostrils, then
go back to the gas-powered scooter under your ass until you can do
12-trackin' space-time miasma in your sleep with both ears tied behind your
buttocks first.
Regarding Stangilliteracy on the subject of Windows Media Player... WRONG!
Regarding CoolEdit (Pro) for free, WINK WINK. It's called Adobe Audition
1.5 (or greater) now. BINGO! Sony owns Sound Forge now. Even better is
Cakewalk Sonar 4.x or Cubase. Must Have Gigastudio 3.x... $5,000 in
Paid-For sample DVDs/CDs.
Your all-time smartest investment will be in $5,000+ per channel impervious
to physical harm Microphones (and portable Phantom-power pre-amps per each),
Digital Audio Tape or Solid State Recorder with $10,000 in tape or RAM media
to build up a collection of stuff you can call your own to give back to the
pool before you start Stealing everyone else's shit first.
Until you put at least 10GB of your own stuff up at alt.binaries.slack for
Stang to steal first, even that $30 you fed to "BOB"'s ass for his dickless
redemption plan won't do you any good.
Then send a million dollars to me, president, founder, and master member
baiter of Multiversal Life Church.
Rule 0 - 4,912,473
Always Keep Your Nose To The Grindstone,
And Your Knows To Yourself...
Never SHUT UP!
Unless You're Fucking Rich, Fucking Forget It, Baby.
The days of do-it-yourself for free are OVER!
"Rev Chain Smerker" wrote in message
news:cSrzd.88514$K7.24013@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but
what
> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing
what
> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
>
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:50:29 -0800
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Oh, almost forgot...
http://www.mackie.com/products/tracktion/
See here:
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/Free-Traktion.html
Follow this page to get to free link to Traktion software.
It looks like Mackie is distributor for this company that makes Traktion:
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/
"Rev Chain Smerker" wrote in message
news:cSrzd.88514$K7.24013@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but
what
> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing
what
> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
>
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:19:28 -0800
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Whether Mac, Linux, or Windows, you can't go wrong with CSOUND in your
toolbox.
http://csounds.com
With CSOUND you can pretty much design, program a
nd play any type of synthesizer-modelling/audio-manipulation there ever
is/was/will-be.
Be sure to check out Maldonado's work, CsoundAV.
http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html
Imagine your video content modulated/created directly from the score, and
then some.
Gogins has a CsoundVST package also.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/csound
If you can imagine it, CSOUND can implement it,
and with a fast enough machine, In Real-Time.
It's MIDI controllable if it Make It So...
Using the various available front-end helper apps speeds things up
considerably.
"Rev Chain Smerker" wrote in message
news:cSrzd.88514$K7.24013@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> You will have to fogive me but I am a complete newbie to all this, but
what
> kind of software and hardware would you need to make your own cut ups etc,
>
> ive always been fascinated with this ever since i saw a documentry when I
> was a teenager, it was about some other group who also made this thing
what
> ever it is (im such a newbie i dont even know what to call it) anyway that
> group got into allot of trouble using the name "U2" on there albulm.
>
> Ive always wanted to try it myself but have no idea where to start
>
>