Correspondent:: "Chain Smerker" Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:04:39 GMT
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Profile of a Sociopath
A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the
behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not
easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained
professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize
the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also
apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
Glibness/Superficial Charm
Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their
audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin
a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the
capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving
behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile
and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used.
They dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and
attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the
"spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an
us-versus-them mentality
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them
to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a
complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing
and able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does
not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.
Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.
The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more
feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by
insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a
normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
While they talk about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive it.
Since they do not believe in the genuineness of their followers' love, they
are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel
guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre
rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments
are normal.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for
others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their
skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot
believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the
behavior as necessary for their (or the group's) own "good" and deny the
abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a
"spiritual rape" to them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval
produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating
hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing,
entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for
their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by"
by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant
behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or
indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves,
but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces
passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in
the followers.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape
and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but
the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as
forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for
dating, etc.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the
future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian
promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the
followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers
who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their
own pain and health.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and
to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or
relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new
name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.
Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their
tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their
victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:21:29 GMT
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"Chain Smerker" wrote:
>Profile of a Sociopath
>
>
>A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the
>behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
>and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not
>easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained
>professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize
>the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also
>apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
>
Hey! He makes Hitler look like a Boy Scout!
I'm still waiting for the Jello-shots...
Correspondent:: "Doktor Dark" Date: 1 Feb 2005 05:11:17 -0800
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Chain Smerker copied:
> Profile of a Sociopath
>
>
> .....<
Aren't "copy" and "paste" wonderful things? They can ALMOST make you
look like you've got something to say, and do it in 10,000 lines!
Correspondent:: "Chain Smerker" Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:09:41 GMT
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"Doktor Dark" wrote in message
news:1107263477.314607.232250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Chain Smerker copied:
>> Profile of a Sociopath
>>
>>
>> .....<
>
> Aren't "copy" and "paste" wonderful things? They can ALMOST make you
> look like you've got something to say, and do it in 10,000 lines!
>
YEP!
Correspondent:: "splendid_blond_beast" Date: 1 Feb 2005 06:42:06 -0800
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The pitiful ones are the lonely, undersexed/overeducated eggheads who
come up w/this stuff to justify their own pathetic lives. It's all
projection/attraction, dude...and a lot of grandiose broken dreams.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:22:01 GMT
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Why did you feel the need to post the contents of the page that comes
with your Church membership application? Don't you realize that if you
fail to just send in your $30 and then loudly 'sing' "Back That Ass UP,
Bitch!" through a schoolyard fence repeatedly until the police come, the
terrorists win? What kind of acolyte ARE you, anyway?
Don't worry; it will all blow up horribly one day and everyone will
stand around the edge of the Internet, gaping at the wreckage, except
for those mashed in the middle of it. Then you can gloat. Here's a tip:
when the smell of ozone becomes so thick your eyes begin to water, STAND
BACK.
--
HellPope Huey
I tried to go back in time and kick Hitler in the ass,
but the belt has an anti-paradox governor
that only allowed me to spill hot soup on his crotch.
There is a pleasure in madness,
which none but madmen know.
~ John Dryden, 1631-1700
"Rub honey on his ass
and blow the bear whistle."
~ "Everybody Loves Raymond"
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:48:12 -0800
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:04:39 GMT, "Chain Smerker"
wrote:
>Profile of a Sociopath
>
>
>A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the
>behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
>and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not
>easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained
>professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize
>the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also
>apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
>
>
>
>Glibness/Superficial Charm
>Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their
>audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin
>a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the
>capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.
>
>
>Manipulative and Conning
>They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving
>behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile
>and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used.
>They dominate and humiliate their victims.
>
>
>Grandiose Sense of Self
>Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and
>attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the
>"spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an
>us-versus-them mentality
>
>
>Pathological Lying
>Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them
>to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a
>complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing
>and able to pass lie detector tests.
>
>
>Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
>A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does
>not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.
>Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.
>The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
>
>
>Shallow Emotions
>When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more
>feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by
>insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a
>normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
>
>
>Incapacity for Love
>While they talk about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive it.
>Since they do not believe in the genuineness of their followers' love, they
>are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel
>guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.
>
>
>Need for Stimulation
>Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre
>rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments
>are normal.
>
>
>Callousness/Lack of Empathy
>Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for
>others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their
>skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot
>believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the
>behavior as necessary for their (or the group's) own "good" and deny the
>abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a
>"spiritual rape" to them.
>
>
>Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
>Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval
>produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating
>hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing,
>entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for
>their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect.
>
>
>Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
>Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by"
>by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant
>behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
>
>
>Irresponsibility/Unreliability
>Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or
>indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves,
>but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces
>passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in
>the followers.
>
>
>Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
>Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape
>and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but
>the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as
>forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for
>dating, etc.
>
>
>Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
>Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the
>future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian
>promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the
>followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers
>who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their
>own pain and health.
>
>
>Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
>Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and
>to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or
>relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new
>name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.
>
>
>
>
>
>Other Related Qualities:
>
>Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
>
>
>Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
>
>
>Authoritarian
>
>
>Secretive
>
>
>Paranoid
>
>
>Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their
>tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
>
>
>Conventional appearance
>
>
>Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
>
>
>Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
>
>
>Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their
>victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
>
>
>Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
>
>
>Incapable of real human attachment to another
>
>
>Unable to feel remorse or guilt
>
>
>Extreme narcissism and grandiose
>
>
>May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
>
For a TRUE Subgenius, that isn't so much a "checklist" as a "to-do
list".
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
I get exactly thee same creepy feeling that I get from
the Dittoheads -- this insanely prideful certainty that there is this
"cool," "right" way that's "our way" and that if some opposing facts
have to be sidestepped in order to keep THE TRUTH uncluttered, then so
be it. In other words, the end justifies the lies of omission because
"WE'RE RIGHT." And that's what it's all about -- LIES OF OMISSION.
- Rev Ivan Stang
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:08:54 -0500
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In article , Chain
Smerker wrote:
> Profile of a Sociopath
This is a handy little paper that I have seen sprung on this ng many
times.
>
>
> A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the
> behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
> and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal,
See, I'm already out of the running.
>they are not
> easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained
> professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize
> the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also
> apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
I'm only in ONE one-on-one cultic relationship -- and in that one, I'm
the cult zombie, not the leader.
Our fourth wedding anniversary is coming up.
>
> Glibness/Superficial Charm
> Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their
> audience.
He got the "confuse" part right. That's done effortlessly for sure.
>Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin
> a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the
> capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.
Ahh! But you see how I've HELD BACK out of PITY.
> Manipulative and Conning
> They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving
> behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile
> and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used.
> They dominate and humiliate their victims.
Every time I read this I get to thinking, "Boy, it sure broke this poor
normal's heart when that SubGenius started politely avoiding her."
>
> Grandiose Sense of Self
> Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and
> attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the
> "spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an
> us-versus-them mentality
But this is supposed to describe EVERY SubGenius.
> Pathological Lying
> Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them
> to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a
> complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing
> and able to pass lie detector tests.
The top cult leaders are able to make the little needles on the lie
detector tap back and forth rythmically like a metronome -- BY SHEER
TELEKINESIS! Really freaks the tech dudes.
> Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
> A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does
> not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.
> Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.
> The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
This is taught in business and law schools. Big deal.
>
> Shallow Emotions
> When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more
> feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by
> insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a
> normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
I am envisoning the author left crying at the altar on wedding day. Or
maybe a guy wouldn't pay an abortion bill.
> Incapacity for Love
> While they talk about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive it.
> Since they do not believe in the genuineness of their followers' love, they
> are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel
> guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.
AND RARELY EVER GETS IT, I might add!
> Need for Stimulation
> Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre
> rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments
> are normal.
That takes me back to 5th grade.
> When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a
> "spiritual rape" to them.
And now Ad should be able to understand why Purple doesn't like me.
> Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
> Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval
> produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating
> hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing,
> entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for
> their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect.
Well, so much for my position as any kind of proper cult leader. I held
up my end of the bargain but the followers just didn't tow the line.
>
>
> Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
> Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by"
> by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant
> behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Well, we try. We TRY.
>
>
> Irresponsibility/Unreliability
> Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or
> indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves,
> but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces
> passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in
> the followers.
But... but "Bob" said it was ALL the Conspiracy's fault!
> Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
> Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape
> and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but
> the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as
> forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for
> dating, etc.
NO EVENTS TO BE SCHEDULED BEFORE ONE P.M.
>
>
> Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
> Tends to move around a lot
PO Box 140306... NO! I mean PO Box 204206! No, it's 181417!
>or makes all encompassing promises for the
> future.
Four Stark Fists
>Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian
> promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the
> followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers
> who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their
> own pain and health.
FETCH ME ANOTHER ROYAL HONEY ENEMA. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, HAVE THE
GUARDS REMOVE THE HERETIC GIRL FROM THE DUNGEON AND BRING HER TO ME.
> Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
> Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and
> to increase income and to recruit a range of members.
"Officer, have you ever read MAD Magazine?"
>Is able to adapt or
> relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new
> name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.
CHURCH OF THE SCHLUBGENIUS
(under new management)
THE SCHLUB GENIUS MUST BE LAX! Praise "ROB"!
> Other Related Qualities:
>
> Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
That will be $30 please.
> Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
>
>
> Authoritarian
>
>
> Secretive
>
>
> Paranoid
>
>
> Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their
> tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
I should run for office!
>
>
> Conventional appearance
If the year is 1969 and the place is the Filmore West during an
Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
>
>
> Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
>
>
Define "enslavement"
> Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
>
>
> Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their
> victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
>
>
> Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
>
>
> Incapable of real human attachment to another
>
>
> Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Able however to feel boredom with repetitive lists
>
> Extreme narcissism and grandiose
>
>
> May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
Under "Bob" of course. And he should be back ANY moment now.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:31:12 -0800
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> >
> > Conventional appearance
>
> If the year is 1969 and the place is the Filmore West during an
> Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
>
Hah. In your childish dreams. Try an Okie catfish noodling contest and
chili cookoff circa 1982. SWEET MULLET DUDE!
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:32:32 -0500
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In article <41FFE710.C01E38D3@yahoox.com>, nenslo
wrote:
> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> > >
> > > Conventional appearance
> >
> > If the year is 1969 and the place is the Filmore West during an
> > Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
> >
>
> Hah. In your childish dreams. Try an Okie catfish noodling contest and
> chili cookoff circa 1982. SWEET MULLET DUDE!
I am sincerely sorry that you are still so sore about losing that
catfish noodling contest, even after all these years.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: "Ad Absurdum" Date: 1 Feb 2005 13:03:47 -0800
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> > When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a
> > "spiritual rape" to them.
>
> And now Ad should be able to understand why Purple doesn't like me.
"Blessed are those who laugh at being raped,
for they shall find much amusement."
G-Zeus
Correspondent:: "Ad Absurdum" Date: 6 Feb 2005 13:27:44 -0800
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Ad Absurdum wrote:
> "Blessed are those who laugh at being raped,
> for they shall find much amusement."
> G-Zeus
Ha! I wonder if I posted that while the Meme's Video Department was
rewarding your hard work with an in-depth view of your ass!!
BTW, did you get any recordings of those 7second long farts?? I'd love
to tease them out into an ambient epic.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Richard Skull" Date: 1 Feb 2005 12:08:26 -0800
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Hell, most of the Bushies in DC qualify under those terms!