Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:45:08 -0800
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Den Mu wrote:
>
> Today is the State of the Union...
I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still reacting
against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making movies where
everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho the Bailiff and
Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in a vast plain of 6
foot tall grass where you can only see two feet ahead, and survive by
murdering soldiers for their weapons and armor which they trade for
sacks of millet. They dump the soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So
basically the same deal as the State of the Union address except you see
it happening instead of just listen to a guy talk about it.
Correspondent:: "Talysman the Ur-Beatle" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:00:49 GMT
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nenslo wrote in news:4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com:
> I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie
dammit, I've been wanting to see that movie for YEARS, ever since I saw a
stiil photo showing what the one sister did to the other with that MASK.
--
Talysman the Ur-Beatle, STRAWGRASPER
Correspondent:: polar bear Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:42:48 -0800
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In article <4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com>, nenslo
wrote:
> Den Mu wrote:
> >
> > Today is the State of the Union...
>
> I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still reacting
> against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making movies where
> everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho the Bailiff and
> Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in a vast plain of 6
> foot tall grass where you can only see two feet ahead, and survive by
> murdering soldiers for their weapons and armor which they trade for
> sacks of millet. They dump the soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So
> basically the same deal as the State of the Union address except you see
> it happening instead of just listen to a guy talk about it.
Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn Rand,
seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read any of her
books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going to ask if
they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who cares?
pb
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:10:22 -0800
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:42:48 -0800, polar bear wrote:
>In article <4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com>, nenslo
>wrote:
>
>> Den Mu wrote:
>> >
>> > Today is the State of the Union...
>>
>> I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still reacting
>> against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making movies where
>> everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho the Bailiff and
>> Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in a vast plain of 6
>> foot tall grass where you can only see two feet ahead, and survive by
>> murdering soldiers for their weapons and armor which they trade for
>> sacks of millet. They dump the soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So
>> basically the same deal as the State of the Union address except you see
>> it happening instead of just listen to a guy talk about it.
>
>Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn Rand,
>seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read any of her
>books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
>thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going to ask if
>they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who cares?
>
>pb
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Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 04:10:47 -0600
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:42:48 -0800, polar bear wrote:
>In article <4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com>, nenslo
>wrote:
>
>> Den Mu wrote:
>> >
>> > Today is the State of the Union...
>>
>> I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still reacting
>> against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making movies where
>> everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho the Bailiff and
>> Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in a vast plain of 6
>> foot tall grass where you can only see two feet ahead, and survive by
>> murdering soldiers for their weapons and armor which they trade for
>> sacks of millet. They dump the soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So
>> basically the same deal as the State of the Union address except you see
>> it happening instead of just listen to a guy talk about it.
>
>Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn Rand,
>seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read any of her
>books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
>thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going to ask if
>they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who cares?
>
>pb
My take on Ayn Rand:
Selfish and restless but bright Russian girl, lured by the glamour of
the American movies decides to abandon her familial obligations, and
seek her fortune in the U.S. Which in her mind is a promised land of
excitement and opportunity in stark contrast to the dull drudgery and
misery of her family life.
So she moves to the US where she begins to write books that justify
her reasons for leaving her family in Russia and putting down the
ideas of a collective or familial atavism in favor of a selfish and
individualistic self heroism. These ideas gel perfectly with the cold
war anti communism fervor in the U.S. and Ms. Rand, seen as a Russian
dissident and defector is elevated by the American people as a
spokesperson of anti communist and pro american ideals.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:06:07 GMT
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In article <5ht3011qbi9vtojioelk7c92gmrbm4d102@4ax.com>,
HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer wrote:
> My take on Ayn Rand:
> Selfish and restless but bright Russian girl, lured by the glamour of
> the American movies decides to abandon her familial obligations, and
> seek her fortune in the U.S. Which in her mind is a promised land of
> excitement and opportunity in stark contrast to the dull drudgery and
> misery of her family life.
>> So she moves to the US where she begins to write books that justify
> her reasons for leaving her family in Russia and putting down the
> ideas of a collective or familial atavism in favor of a selfish and
> individualistic self heroism. These ideas gel perfectly with the cold
> war anti communism fervor in the U.S. and Ms. Rand, seen as a Russian
> dissident and defector is elevated by the American people as a
> spokesperson of anti communist and pro american ideals.
At which point she falls prey to the seductive cash offered by a
Pepsi-sponsored tour and her books instantly become bird-cage liner.
"You bring it to the United States of America and we can turn it in ANY
direction."
- Willam S. Burroughs
--
HellPope Huey
Well I'll be dipped in caramel
and licked clean by blind lesbians
as long as I don't giggle
or have one accidentally feel my beard or my uh oh
"For flavor, instant sex will never supersede
the stuff you have to peel and cook."
~ Quentin Crisp
"If I don't get my tantric sex
on oxycontin, I just can't go on!"
- Jon Stewart
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:15:10 -0500
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In article <020220052342482461%bear@pole.com>, polar bear
wrote:
> In article <4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com>, nenslo
> wrote:
>
> > Den Mu wrote:
> > >
> > > Today is the State of the Union...
> >
> > I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still reacting
> > against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making movies where
> > everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho the Bailiff and
> > Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in a vast plain of 6
> > foot tall grass where you can only see two feet ahead, and survive by
> > murdering soldiers for their weapons and armor which they trade for
> > sacks of millet. They dump the soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So
> > basically the same deal as the State of the Union address except you see
> > it happening instead of just listen to a guy talk about it.
>
> Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn Rand,
> seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read any of her
> books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
> thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going to ask if
> they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who cares?
>
Here's what you do. Go to the library and check out ATLAS SHRUGGED. Lug
it home and skim down to around the last quarter or eighth of the book.
This supergenius guy, John Galt, is ranting over the radio to a
worldwide audience about how and why everything is fucked up, which is
basically that... well, that's the part you should read for yourself.
Unfortunately this one rant goes on ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE BOOK
practically. It's hard to imagine the novel's radio audience staying
tuned in for all those hours and hours. I couldn't and I was only
READING the rant. It's... repetitive. To me it's also blinkered, dense,
stupid. REALLY stupid. Nonetheless, most of it's probably valid enough,
were it not such a huge lie by omission.
It is a CLASSIC kook rant and undeniably powerful. It has converted to
Objectivism many a desperate underdog who knew in his heart that he was
REALLY an overachieving OverDog, just held back by the forces of
Liberals and Whiners in society.
The disgust with humanity is not just palpable but thick and dripping.
The embittered egomania of poor Ayn (pronounced "Ine" not "Ann") also
fairly radiates from the page.
I feel that Ayn Rand was a classic Rogue SubGenius -- a true weirdo,
indeed a Superior Mutant, but trapped in a prison of ignorance about
Slack. There is not the slightest, teeniest bit of Slack in her world.
It appeals very deeply to certain members of the would-be
intelligentsia. Mensans and so on.
With your evident abiding interest in economic sciences, you should
find some of the business rants by her industrialist characters
side-splitting, or else enfuriating, or, as I did, both.
She has the Us and Them syndrome big-time, and her idea of Us is so
limited that it really did not include even her.
When she was in her 50s and pretty famous among embittered geeks, she
had an affair with one of her fans who was in his twenties. Nathaniel
Brandon, was that his name? I am not about to go downstairs and look.
But he wrote a bio-gossip book about her which paints, probably
inadvertently, a pretty fucking neurotic picture of everybody involved.
SEEMED KIND OF FAMILIAR in a way. Brandon, if that's his name, went on
to become the Dr. Phil of Romantic Love among shrinks. Anyway the part
where he describes making out with the weird old hag in the back seat
of a car while her husband drives is priceless. It made her seem real
to me. I felt I was getting a glimpse at the painfully earnest person
who kept desperately telling herself the same thing over and over again
as she wrote those books.
--
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Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
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Correspondent:: elvis_bond@hotmail.com
Date: 3 Feb 2005 07:27:09 -0800
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Even longer was the rant in whichever book had the solid gold dollar
sign at some Bohemian Grove type situation.
REALLY long.
It was the industrial/machine age and all of the reformers had this
numbers and efficiency fetish. Bad news.
I'm reading Caro's book about Robert Moses. He had this efficiency bug
big time until he learned NOBODY wanted it.
Then he got smart and started hanging out with Irish politicians and
built an empire on tolls from toll roads.
(and got some parks built, which was the upside)
Correspondent:: Unclaimed Mysteries Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:55:45 GMT
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote in part:
(concerning Atlas Shrugged)
> I feel that Ayn Rand was a classic Rogue SubGenius -- a true weirdo,
> indeed a Superior Mutant, but trapped in a prison of ignorance about
> Slack. There is not the slightest, teeniest bit of Slack in her world.
> It appeals very deeply to certain members of the would-be
> intelligentsia. Mensans and so on.
>
You M3an D4 M3NSA!!!!11!11 M0nthLY M33T1NGZ @ SH0N3Y'Z AR3N"T SLACK?????
Of course I went to law school. - Warren Zevon, "Mr. Bad Example"
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:44:59 -0500
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> > Slack. There is not the slightest, teeniest bit of Slack in her world.
> > It appeals very deeply to certain members of the would-be
> > intelligentsia. Mensans and so on.
> >
>
> You M3an D4 M3NSA!!!!11!11 M0nthLY M33T1NGZ @ SH0N3Y'Z AR3N"T SLACK?????
A new co-worker was driving me to lunch one day. He was a funny,
light-hearted guy, and fairly bright. At one point in the topic-less
discussion, he asked me "Have you ever thought of joining Mensa?" I
ejaculated: "Those guys are all idiots!" Whereupon he whipped out his MENSA
MEMBERSHIP CARD, and burst out gut-laughing.
Case in point, says I. It was funny.
Correspondent:: "Paul E. Jamison" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:58:26 -0600
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"Revi Shankar" wrote in message
news:c7Cdnf1ahLSG_p_fRVn-uA@adelphia.com...
> > > Slack. There is not the slightest, teeniest bit of Slack in her world.
> > > It appeals very deeply to certain members of the would-be
> > > intelligentsia. Mensans and so on.
> > >
> >
> > You M3an D4 M3NSA!!!!11!11 M0nthLY M33T1NGZ @ SH0N3Y'Z AR3N"T SLACK?????
>
> A new co-worker was driving me to lunch one day. He was a funny,
> light-hearted guy, and fairly bright. At one point in the topic-less
> discussion, he asked me "Have you ever thought of joining Mensa?" I
> ejaculated: "Those guys are all idiots!" Whereupon he whipped out his
MENSA
> MEMBERSHIP CARD, and burst out gut-laughing.
>
> Case in point, says I. It was funny.
>
I had one, um, acquaintence who helped to persuade me to join Mensa. He was
verrry picky about who he would eventually marry, preferring to go for a
mini-eugenics program. He didn't want to pass on any allergies, and he *did*
want to pass on intelligence genes. Last I heard, he still wasn't married.
I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
superior attitude. I never did come across a decent answer to the whole "If
you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" thing the Mensans always get.
Besides, the annual dues are a bitch.
Paul
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:43:26 GMT
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In article ,
"Paul E. Jamison" wrote:
> I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
> superior attitude.
And you've been in the Church for how long now? Just curious. I want to
have my facts straight when everyone sees me in court.
--
HellPope Huey
Well I'll be dipped in caramel
and licked clean by blind lesbians
as long as I don't giggle
or have one accidentally feel my beard or my uh oh
"For flavor, instant sex will never supersede
the stuff you have to peel and cook."
~ Quentin Crisp
"If I don't get my tantric sex
on oxycontin, I just can't go on!"
- Jon Stewart
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:33:28 -0800
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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> In article ,
> "Paul E. Jamison" wrote:
>
> > I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
> > superior attitude.
>
> And you've been in the Church for how long now? Just curious. I want to
> have my facts straight when everyone sees me in court.
I was IN court and didn't see YOU, motherfucker!
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:08:30 -0800
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:33:28 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>HellPope Huey wrote:
>>
>> In article ,
>> "Paul E. Jamison" wrote:
>>
>> > I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
>> > superior attitude.
>>
>> And you've been in the Church for how long now? Just curious. I want to
>> have my facts straight when everyone sees me in court.
>
>I was IN court and didn't see YOU, motherfucker!
He was hiding behind the potted plant, giggling.
which for huey is really quite a coup on several levels.
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Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:23:35 GMT
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In article ,
Zapanaz wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:33:28 -0800, nenslo wrote:
> >HellPope Huey wrote:
> >> In article ,
> >> "Paul E. Jamison" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
> >> > superior attitude.
> >>
> >> And you've been in the Church for how long now? Just curious. I want to
> >> have my facts straight when everyone sees me in court.
> >
> >I was IN court and didn't see YOU, motherfucker!
>
> He was hiding behind the potted plant, giggling.
> which for huey is really quite a coup on several levels.
I'd see you in court, motherfucker, but Nenslo has the docket sewn up
for weeks. Selfish bastard, other people have a right to frivilous
litigation, too. Brushing up against that plant gave me a rash.
--
HellPope Huey
And they called it Bunjee Love
You've no idea what a poor opinion I have of myself --
and how little I deserve it.
- William Gilbert
"We'll get back to 'A Very Brady Bris'
right after these messages."
- Colin Mochrie
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:58:57 -0800
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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> In article ,
> Zapanaz wrote:
> > On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:33:28 -0800, nenslo wrote:
> > >HellPope Huey wrote:
> > >> In article ,
> > >> "Paul E. Jamison" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
> > >> > superior attitude.
> > >>
> > >> And you've been in the Church for how long now? Just curious. I want to
> > >> have my facts straight when everyone sees me in court.
> > >
> > >I was IN court and didn't see YOU, motherfucker!
> >
> > He was hiding behind the potted plant, giggling.
> > which for huey is really quite a coup on several levels.
>
> I'd see you in court, motherfucker, but Nenslo has the docket sewn up
> for weeks. Selfish bastard, other people have a right to frivilous
> litigation, too. Brushing up against that plant gave me a rash.
>
I thought that was one of those Corpse Flowers but I guess the smell was
just you. Wish I hadn't sewn that docket to MY ASS.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:02:04 GMT
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In article <42046EB0.2A6B30DF@yahoox.com>, nenslo
wrote:
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> > I'd see you in court, motherfucker, but Nenslo has the docket sewn up
> > for weeks. Selfish bastard, other people have a right to frivilous
> > litigation, too. Brushing up against that plant gave me a rash.
> >
> I thought that was one of those Corpse Flowers but I guess the smell was
> just you. Wish I hadn't sewn that docket to MY ASS.
I give myself one small gold star over the fact that I have only had to
appear in court when someone ELSE was that big an asshole and never
because I personally screwed a pooch. What a swell fellow I am.
--
HellPope Huey
Oh, what a beautiful morning, ya jerks
"So you managed to get here
without having your knickers blown off.
~ Prince Philip, to a farmer's wife
from Northern Ireland
visiting London for a charity event.
"I like it, but of course,
I'm from the underbelly of society."
- "That 70s Show"
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:56:59 -0800
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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> I give myself one small gold star over the fact that I have only had to
> appear in court when someone ELSE was that big an asshole and never
> because I personally screwed a pooch. What a swell fellow I am.
>
It was CONSENSUAL.
Correspondent:: "ArWeGod" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:23:38 GMT
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"nenslo" wrote in message
news:4205958B.2979F457@yahoox.com...
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> >
> > I give myself one small gold star over the fact that I have only
had to
> > appear in court when someone ELSE was that big an asshole and never
> > because I personally screwed a pooch. What a swell fellow I am.
> >
>
> It was CONSENSUAL.
>
CON and SENSUAL are what is WRONG with this world.
PRO and FORNICATE are also WRONG but really fun, if only...
HATE. and TAME are never used in the same sentence.
That's why I had to put a full stop after HATE.
And you should, too, also.
--
ArWeCONfused
Correspondent:: "Paul E. Jamison" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:46:58 -0600
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"HellPope Huey" wrote in message
news:InkyWretch-F98F04.19444203022005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> In article ,
> "Paul E. Jamison" wrote:
>
> > I stayed in Mensa for a couple-three years, until I got fed up with the
> > superior attitude.
>
> And you've been in the Church for how long now? Just curious. I want to
> have my facts straight when everyone sees me in court.
>
Can't rightly recall, now. Back in the mid-90's, maybe. I know it was when
"send in your $30" was still "send in your $20". It's been awhile.
Yeah, I'll see you in court. Just my luck I'll probably be called for jury
duty.
Paul
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:42:19 -0500
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote
> She has the Us and Them syndrome big-time, and her idea of Us is so
> limited that it really did not include even her.
That's some right nice .sig material you got there, son.
Correspondent:: "Paul E. Jamison" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:30:16 -0600
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote in message
news:030220051015106448%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com...
>
> Here's what you do. Go to the library and check out ATLAS SHRUGGED. Lug
> it home and skim down to around the last quarter or eighth of the book.
> This supergenius guy, John Galt, is ranting over the radio to a
> worldwide audience about how and why everything is fucked up, which is
> basically that... well, that's the part you should read for yourself.
> Unfortunately this one rant goes on ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE BOOK
> practically. It's hard to imagine the novel's radio audience staying
> tuned in for all those hours and hours. I couldn't and I was only
> READING the rant. It's... repetitive. To me it's also blinkered, dense,
> stupid. REALLY stupid. Nonetheless, most of it's probably valid enough,
> were it not such a huge lie by omission.
>
I actually read "Atlas Shrugged" alllll the way through. It was years ago,
back when I made it my mission to read all the award-winning science fiction
novels there were, for certain values of "award" and of "science fiction".
"Atlas Shrugged" won some damn Libertarian sci-fi award. I was young and
stubborn and managed to read it all. I doubt I'll ever do it again; damned
dry and windy stuff.
I think that radio speech went on for 70 pages of small type. Yeah, it is
hard to imagine anyone sitting through it all. Five minutes of that and
people would be switching over to "Fibber McGee and Molly" in droves.
Paul
Correspondent:: "Rev. Richard Skull" Date: 3 Feb 2005 08:01:39 -0800
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>>Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn?Rand,
seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read ?ny of her
books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going ?o ask if
they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who ?ares? <<
Here's a Condensed Version of any Ayn Rand Book:
I got mine, FUCK YOU!
I think she was related to Nenslo.
Correspondent:: Unclaimed Mysteries Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:55:02 GMT
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>>Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn? Rand,
>
> seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read ?any of her
>
> books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
> thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going ?to ask if
> they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who ?cares? <<
>
> Here's a Condensed Version of any Ayn Rand Book:
>
> I got mine, FUCK YOU!
>
> I think she was related to Nenslo.
>
The 1940s movie of The Fountainhead is pretty interesting to watch on
acid. So I hear.
Of course I went to law school. - Warren Zevon, "Mr. Bad Example"
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:20:14 -0500
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In article ,
Unclaimed Mysteries
wrote:
> Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>
> >>>Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn� Rand,
> >
> > seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read �any of her
> >
> > books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
> > thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going �to ask if
> > they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who �cares? <<
> >
> > Here's a Condensed Version of any Ayn Rand Book:
> >
> > I got mine, FUCK YOU!
> >
> > I think she was related to Nenslo.
> >
>
> The 1940s movie of The Fountainhead is pretty interesting to watch on
> acid. So I hear.
Well what isn't. In fact that is the PROBLEM with acid.
But that movie does have some priceless soundbites -- Rand quotes
delivered with hilariously stoic deadpannity by Gary Cooper.
"But don't [the Pinks] bother you?"
"I DON'T NOTICE THEM."
Here from IMBD is a capsule review by a randy True Randian.
*****
Ayn Rand's Triumph, 23 March 1999
Author: harry-76 from Cleveland, Ohio USA
"The Fountainhead" is a miracle. That is was ever brought to the
screen at all seems remarkable. For it is a philosophical novel turned
screenplay by the great Ayn Rand herself. This 20th century giant nobly
embodied her philosophy in this, one of her most most accessible works.
While "Atlas Shrugged" is more extensive and sprawling, "The
Fountainhead" is more concise and pointed. And what a philosophy! It is
my feeling that Rand's stature will grow with each passing year (she is
already included in standard Philosophy I college courses) and this
film presents a wonderfully conceived dramatic vehicle for her
revelational concepts. The cast is uniformly excellent, with Raymond
Massey and Patricia Neal standing out. Gary Cooper acquits himself just
fine as Rand's hero, King Vidor's direction is powerful and eloquent,
and Max Steiner's score is broad and majestic. The beautiful black and
white photography and angular sets wrap up this fine presentation. A
brilliantly executed production on a mind-bendingly pertinent subject.
****
The following reviewer seems to think more like I do about Rand and the
movie.
*****
Erectile dysfunction..., 18 June 2004
Author: Merwyn Grote (majikstl@aol.com) from St. Louis, Missouri
A climatic moment in THE FOUNTAINHEAD comes when its hero, architect
Howard Roark, (Gary Cooper) blows up a building. The one in question is
a building he designed, but which is being built with changes that he
did not approve. The building represents the world that Howard
despises, a world that doesn't recognize his genius and dares to
question his superior talents. Therefore, in his ego-contaminated mind,
destroying the building isn't just a monumental temper tantrum, but a
political statement, informing the world that it had better conform to
his peculiar concept of individual freedom.
A few years back, THE FOUNTAINHEAD could have easily been shrugged off
as a ludicrous display of knuckle-headed idiocy, pseudo-intellectual
rants, mixing unbridled cynicism with delusional snobbery. However, in
the wake of September 11, 2001, it is harder to take such a cavalier
attitude. Howard blows up a building that represents all that he finds
corrupt in an attempt to make the world bow to his philosophical
superiority. How does that make him any different from the 19 hijackers
and their puppeteers who attacked the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon?
THE FOUNTAINHEAD is such a ridiculous movie that it is easy to laugh it
off. With its pseudo-German expressionism look and its stylized, archly
overwritten dialogue, it begs to be mocked as inconsequential camp.
Like an elaborate joke, its cheesy Freudian symbolism and deadpan
melodramatic performances would seem ripe for Carol Burnett and Harvey
Korman to parody verbatim as one of the movie satires on her old TV
show. If you could overlook the sobering reality that the film is based
on a respected philosophy, then certainly THE FOUNTAINHEAD would be
good for a few hearty chuckles and a couple of eye-rolling groans --
all at the expense of the poor actors trapped therein.
But THE FOUNTAINHEAD is a propaganda film, existing to illustrate the
views of Ayn Rand, the author of the original book. Unfortunately, or
fortunately, depending on your point of view, the film is such an
absurd mess that it is difficult to ascertain just what Rand's views
are, this despite the fact that she penned the screenplay. Apparently,
Rand believed in "objectivism," the notion that man as an individual is
of supreme importance, but not in a Capraesque sense. It seems that to
Rand a person should have but one goal in life and that is to satisfy
one's self. God, mankind, country, friends and family are secondary and
trivial concerns. Selfishness is the one truism and its own reward. If
she had written IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE, Old Man Potter would be the
hero, not George Bailey.
Which brings us back to Coop and his little sticks of dynamite. In one
of the most idiotic courtroom sequences this side of Woody Allen's
BANANAS, Howard defends his act of urban terrorism with a confusing
maze of self-righteous platitudes and smug displays of pious double
talk. Delivered by a monotoned Cooper in a long-winded monologue, his
defense is barely comprehensible, even after listening to his
convoluted arguments repeatedly. He claims to be fighting for the right
for man to exist, but "man" seems to be only "creators" like himself,
as opposed to "parasites," which apparently would be just about
everybody else on the face of the earth. He seems to be claiming the
building as intellectual property, not real estate: He designed the
building, therefore he owned it. Forget everybody else, from the
investors to the labors, they are all just parasites feeding off
Roark's genius. Should one therefore assume that Rand believed that the
actors, the director and all others involved in making this film were
also mere parasites feeding off her genius?
Despite such convoluted logic and the overall incompetence of the film
as a whole, there is something very scary about this entire enterprise.
If Rand or anybody else wants to belch up lame scenarios about
delusional, self-absorbed jerks, that is their literary license. But
when she seriously argues that such delusions justify violent,
unprovoked criminal acts, then her philosophy becomes renegade. As
such, her hokey cinematic lecture, suddenly morphs into a disturbing
manifesto for mayhem. All acts of terrorism, be it bombing abortion
clinics or ROTC offices, begin with a seed of genuine righteousness.
When that seed grows into armed violence, such philosophical
self-righteousness is the first victim. Her Roark is not a heroic
figure, a man of integrity fighting for his beliefs; he is a ruthless,
arrogant megalomaniac. And if the buildings shown in the film are any
indication, he is also one heck of a terrible architect.
Another disturbing element of the film is that it came out in 1949, on
the heels of World War II. Throughout THE FOUNTAINHEAD, Roark and his
lover/groupie, Dominique Francon (Patricia Neal), repeatedly refer to
superior individuals whose genius makes them rise above "the mob" and
above the law, and who should not be restricted by a common sense of
morality. It is fascist drivel, not based on race or religion or
ethnicity, but on the sheer arrogance of a supposed intellectualism
devoid of any trace of humanity. Objectivism appears to be based less
on rational thought than on simple-minded paranoia. It seems Rand sees
everyone, from the ignorant masses to the power elite, conspiring to
oppress the loyal few who kowtow to her ideals. She obviously hates
communism, but worse she appears to hate democracy as well. It has a
chilling similarity to the nationalism that propelled Hitler into power
little over a decade prior. THE FOUNTAINHEAD, with straight-faced
piousness, boldly defends its sociopathic ideology, praising not the
genius of the individual, but the potential cruelty of the individual
ego.
****
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Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:57:25 -0800
> >
> > The 1940s movie of The Fountainhead is pretty interesting to watch on
> > acid. So I hear.
It's pretty interesting to watch. Has a real clean visual style and
good direction.
.
>
> But that movie does have some priceless soundbites -- Rand quotes
> delivered with hilariously stoic deadpannity by Gary Cooper.
>
> "But don't [the Pinks] bother you?"
>
> "I DON'T NOTICE THEM."
My favorite - the weasely little creep who has dedicated his life to
humiliating and foiling the Mighty Protagonist finally confronts him, saying:
"I bet you'd like to tell me what you think of me."
"I DON'T THINK OF YOU."
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:53:07 -0800
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"Rev. Richard Skull" wrote:
>
> >>Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn– Rand,
> seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read –any of her
>
> books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
> thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going –to ask if
> they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who –cares? <<
>
> Here's a Condensed Version of any Ayn Rand Book:
>
> I got mine, FUCK YOU!
>
> I think she was related to Nenslo.
Well thanks for the compliment. I would condense an Ayn Rand book into
the sentence "I got mine, stop whining because I didn't get yours too."
No, that would just be a Nenslo book.
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:47:09 -0800
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polar bear wrote:
>
> In article <4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com>, nenslo
> wrote:
>
> > Den Mu wrote:
> > >
> > > Today is the State of the Union...
> >
> > I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still reacting
> > against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making movies where
> > everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho the Bailiff and
> > Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in a vast plain of 6
> > foot tall grass where you can only see two feet ahead, and survive by
> > murdering soldiers for their weapons and armor which they trade for
> > sacks of millet. They dump the soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So
> > basically the same deal as the State of the Union address except you see
> > it happening instead of just listen to a guy talk about it.
>
> Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn Rand,
> seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read any of her
> books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
> thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going to ask if
> they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who cares?
>
For maximum time saving, see the movie of The Fountainhead. It's just
like an opera only no singing. OR read some of Steve Ditko's Mr. A
comics which I know you will never be able to find any of them so I can
just brag about having them myself. I did actually read Atlas Shrugged
a few years ago but started blanking out through the second half so I
really only remember the hot sex on a heap of gunny sacks in a subway
tunnel. YES THAT REALLY IS IN THERE.
Correspondent:: "scalpod" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:49:44 -0600
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Just read Gargantua and Pantagruel by Rabelais, over and over. Each
time you get the end, read backwards. Just keep sweeping back and forth
like the painters who touch up the Golden Gate Bridge for a few
passes.Then, when you've built up your stamina, head for the Ayn Rand.
If you're going to read a book, read the hell out of it.
scalpod
Society of Heretically Hermetic Hermits - S.H.H.H.
polar bear wrote:
> In article <4201C874.7802B73D@yahoox.com>, nenslo
> wrote:
>
> > Den Mu wrote:
> > >
> > > Today is the State of the Union...
> >
> > I watched Onibaba, a 1964 Japanese movie, when they were still
> > reacting against all those "perfect hair" samurai movies by making
> > movies where everything is horrible and just gets worse like Sansho
> > the Bailiff and Ballad of Narayama. It's about people who live in
> > a vast plain of 6 foot tall grass where you can only see two feet
> > ahead, and survive by murdering soldiers for their weapons and
> > armor which they trade for sacks of millet. They dump the
> > soldiers' bodies down a deep hole. So basically the same deal as
> > the State of the Union address except you see it happening instead
> > of just listen to a guy talk about it.
>
> Funny you should mention that. I was going to ask about Ayn Rand,
> seeing as it's her birthday and all. You see, I never read any of her
> books. Didn't think it was worth the trouble, but then I
> thought....damn... maybe I missed something, so I was going to ask if
> they were worth reading but then I decided, awwww WTF. Who cares?
>
> pb