One more HST thought
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:48:29 -0800
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It occurs to me that most of you may not have read anything of Hunter
S Thompson's except "Fear and Loathing" and maybe a few hits on that
Hell's Angels book.
If that's the case, I highly recommend all of Thompson's books. The
two which most people read are classics, but IMO Thompson was a truly
brilliant, mind-peeling, writer. There is just not too much HST. He
was blistering and razor-edged and I find him endless fun to read.
It's just a damn shame, IMO, that he didn't produce more.
go read them now god damn it or you are a bunch of pink bastards.
--
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Correspondent:: endus
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:06:35 -0500
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:48:29 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote:
>
>It occurs to me that most of you may not have read anything of Hunter
>S Thompson's except "Fear and Loathing" and maybe a few hits on that
>Hell's Angels book.
>
>If that's the case, I highly recommend all of Thompson's books. The
>two which most people read are classics, but IMO Thompson was a truly
>brilliant, mind-peeling, writer. There is just not too much HST. He
>was blistering and razor-edged and I find him endless fun to read.
>
>It's just a damn shame, IMO, that he didn't produce more.
>
>go read them now god damn it or you are a bunch of pink bastards.
People have been asking me what to read first. I think Hell's Angels
is probably the obvious choice, but even the Rum Diary or F&L on the
Campaign trail 72' might work for the right people. I can't honestly
say that I think his newer writing is on par with his older stuff, but
for Thompson fans who have already read the old stuff it still works.
The collections of his letters (Proud Highway, F&L in America) are
also extremely compelling, but I think they're more of a dose of
reality for those who have read his other stuff and are interested.
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: "«BONEHEAD>>"
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:18:05 GMT
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"endus" wrote in message
news:s93p11pp13qssfra79e6vcrd8comkcgnad@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:48:29 -0800, Zapanaz
> wrote:
>
> >
> >It occurs to me that most of you may not have read anything of Hunter
> >S Thompson's except "Fear and Loathing" and maybe a few hits on that
> >Hell's Angels book.
> >
> >If that's the case, I highly recommend all of Thompson's books. The
> >two which most people read are classics, but IMO Thompson was a truly
> >brilliant, mind-peeling, writer. There is just not too much HST. He
> >was blistering and razor-edged and I find him endless fun to read.
> >
> >It's just a damn shame, IMO, that he didn't produce more.
> >
> >go read them now god damn it or you are a bunch of pink bastards.
>
> People have been asking me what to read first. I think Hell's Angels
> is probably the obvious choice, but even the Rum Diary or F&L on the
> Campaign trail 72' might work for the right people. I can't honestly
> say that I think his newer writing is on par with his older stuff, but
> for Thompson fans who have already read the old stuff it still works.
> The collections of his letters (Proud Highway, F&L in America) are
> also extremely compelling, but I think they're more of a dose of
> reality for those who have read his other stuff and are interested.
All of his stuff is pretty good...
Now trying to get it at the Cleveland Public Library seems to be a problem
because the books are never returned...
--
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." Albert Einstein
Correspondent:: "frater S.O.D.D.I."
Date: 23 Feb 2005 08:57:42 -0800
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Zapanaz wrote:
> It occurs to me that most of you may not have read anything of Hunter
> S Thompson's except "Fear and Loathing" and maybe a few hits on that
> Hell's Angels book.
>
> If that's the case, I highly recommend all of Thompson's books. The
> two which most people read are classics, but IMO Thompson was a truly
> brilliant, mind-peeling, writer. There is just not too much HST. He
> was blistering and razor-edged and I find him endless fun to read.
>
> It's just a damn shame, IMO, that he didn't produce more.
>
> go read them now god damn it or you are a bunch of pink bastards.
I dunno, Joe.
I continued to read HST well into the 90s and found his stuff to be
increasingly cranky and slight... in collections like "Generation of
Swine" and "Songs of the Doomed" it certainly appeared that he had shot
his wad. About 75% of "GoS" is filler.
I think HST was one of those writers who were definitely of THEIR time
and absolutely of "YOUR" time.
Running into both "Fear and Loathing" books when you're in your late
teens or early twenties is a much different experience than attempting
to re-read them when you're 40 or so. The collections likewise. The
litany of abuse becomes tedious. His barbed and vicious observations
are less penetrating. The bad craziness seem pro forma.
But hey, but the Steadman illustrations still hold up.
IMO, HST is one of those authors who is great to read when you're 18 or
19... like Burroughs, Bukowski and others. I get a kick out of seeing
kids read that stuff. It opens your eyes to different experiences, to
different ways of telling. Those kind of writers CAN change your life.
But if you're still reading that kind of book when you're close to or
into your middle age, it's way past time to challenge yourself a bit
more.
HST is in good company. Kesey, one of his contemporaries, also burned
out after 2 great books.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:21:41 -0500
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In article <1109177862.845677.249640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
frater S.O.D.D.I. wrote:
>
> I continued to read HST well into the 90s and found his stuff to be
> increasingly cranky and slight... in collections like "Generation of
> Swine" and "Songs of the Doomed" it certainly appeared that he had shot
> his wad. About 75% of "GoS" is filler.
GoS was the last one I tried to read.
>
> I think HST was one of those writers who were definitely of THEIR time
> and absolutely of "YOUR" time.
>
> Running into both "Fear and Loathing" books when you're in your late
> teens or early twenties is a much different experience than attempting
> to re-read them when you're 40 or so. The collections likewise. The
> litany of abuse becomes tedious. His barbed and vicious observations
> are less penetrating. The bad craziness seem pro forma.
I feel much the same way. Some of that however is due to the fact that
the reader can never have that first HST rush AGAIN. The age-old
sequels problem.
>
> IMO, HST is one of those authors who is great to read when you're 18 or
> 19... like Burroughs, Bukowski and others. I get a kick out of seeing
> kids read that stuff. It opens your eyes to different experiences, to
> different ways of telling. Those kind of writers CAN change your life.
Heh... I read Tom Wolfe's "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" when I was 18
and I vividly remember thinking, "Wow, wouldn't it be great to do THIS
when I grow up!" -- meaning Kesey, not Wolfe. I did not at all take
that thought seriously though. The Merry Pranksters was obviously not a
repeatable experiment! I wanted to be an underground filmmaker or a
writer or a Firesign Theater-like comedy guy. Yet I DID end up more
like Kesey than like Wolfe or any of those other things. When I finally
saw the Bus Movie I realized that in some respects, the Church of the
SubGenius had done the Pranksters one better! (Albeit with a lot less
acid.) I mean, I'm an amateur, really, at film, writing and
triple-layer improv radio ranting. But I am as PROFESSIONAL a TEXAS UFO
SEX-DEATH MINDFUCK CULT PROJECT SACRED SCRIBE as they come. Which is a
lot like what Kesey's best known for. Not his paperback, but his COOL
CLUB and CLUBHOUSE! And CLUBMOBILE! And the CLUBFOOTED CLUB-MEMBERS'
MEMBERS.
When Kesey died a couple of Novembers ago, it was unfortunately the
same weekend that I thought my mother was dying. (One of several such
weekends that were to come.) I never wrote up anything on Kesey for
SuBSITE like I meant to. I never met Kesey, but he joined the Church in
1981, BEFORE the first World SubCon in Dallas -- he offered to attend,
if we could send him a plane ticket but ... we couldn't... we got a
quote from him for the Book, and he used to enjoy getting Stark Fists,
but that side of things drifted into debt, and we didn't correspond
again until around 2000, when Kesey and Ken Babbs were on the Internet
and sent me the Bus Movie Part 1 (their sons helped them finish it
finally!) and a shitload of CDs of stuff like the first Acid Test
recordings, Neal Cassady blathering, etc. I guess maybe I should look
into MP3-ing that stuff, huh.
Anyway I know this is about Thompson and not Wolfe or Kesey but bear
with me.
>
> But if you're still reading that kind of book when you're close to or
> into your middle age, it's way past time to challenge yourself a bit
> more.
>
> HST is in good company. Kesey, one of his contemporaries, also burned
> out after 2 great books.
>
Kesey himself might be more inclined to say that he didn't so much
"burn out" after 2 great books, as he SLACKED OFF. There is no law that
says that cranking out literary hits has to be the high point of
somebody's life. I promise that having Slack is way better than having
people think you're a hotshot writer. Both would be nice I suppose but,
especially for somebody like Kesey, the Slack would come first. Kesey,
unlike most writerly types, actually put his money where his mouth was.
That is, he really did blow off the Pinks. He is more famous for
writing weirdo-hero novels and getting in trouble, but as I understand
it he put in a lot more actual time running the family dairy farm.
Having had some fair roller coaster rides in my own life so far, I can
see why Kesey might prefer plying an honest trade on the family ranch,
and why Thompson might prefer the Blank Slack of Death, to the Pink-ass
bullshit that they were constantly begged to deal with the minute they
stepped off their own property or answered the phone.
Another reason I can sympathize with the "Slack Off" rather than "burn
out" viewpoint is possibly because I am looking forward to moving to
family ranch eventually myself. Not that I plan to stop doing what I'm
doing -- making stuff I can sell, glorifying the core teachings of J.R.
"Bob" Dobbs. But I already put my time in with the Pinks in the 70s,
80s and 90s. Fighting fire with fire. Best way to get burned real GOOD.
One thing I'd like to AVOID doing is making cute stuff for Office Pinks
in NYC or LA to sell. That there been done. (Not unless They give me a
LOT of money, and I don't expect them to be giving me the kind of money
I'm thinking about ANY TIME SOON.) Some might call that burn out, but I
see it as quite the opposite. If I could make a living doing nothing
but sitting on my ass making goofy pictures and lollygagging around
interesting new places with my gal I would probably do just that. But
then, about when I'd given up on it ever happening, I GOT SLACK, so
meddling in some other fools' bidness is no longer my overriding
concern anyway. Funny how that works, but fuck 'em if they can't take a
joke.
If you're truly an honest kind of writer, you can only write ABOUT
Slack, the Universe and Everything for so long before you have to LIVE
it and find out whether or not you've actually just been shooting your
mouth off the whole time, like a fucking ninny. Eventually you feel you
must SET AN EXAMPLE of what you've been SIGNIFYING about, or you're
just another POSER. CAN a person really repent, quit their job and
Slack Off, or is that just more of "Bob's" bullshit to get us to buy
pamphlets? Well, god damn it, I repented. I quit my job, and I Slacked
Off. And so far it is working out BETTER than when I was trying to
peddle happy-chappy anti-establishment paperwork for the Establishment
to sell to my fellow anti-establishment SLAVES OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
Kesey avoided the Combine BY BUYING HIS OWN COMBINE. Instead of having
to buy food from the Pinks he SOLD food to the Pinks. When "Freedom of
the press" came to mean "Freedom for Anyone Who Owns a Press," we went
into hock and BOUGHT A PRESS, so to speak. (And I'm still very slowwwly
paying it off.)
My own guess about HST is that he just got tired of being old and
everything hurting. He knew it wasn't going to be getting any better.
He knew his friends wouldn't do for him what he'd probably done for
several aged dogs. I have put suffering old animals down and I have
wished I could do the same for a suffering old person. HST was a do it
yourself kind of guy and had lots of guns and drugs around. Makes
sense. That's strictly a guess, like I said, for some reason I had
thought he was already dead, so obviously I haven't been following his
tracks closely.
ANY SINGLE ONE OF YOU READING THIS RIGHT NOW could EASILY be as DEAD as
HST by TONIGHT! *DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT??* Or are you still
punching the clock and saying, "Yep, SOON AS I RETIRE," I'm a-gonna
LIVE IT UP like old HUNTER S. THOMPSON!" Or did you try the other
approach, "I don't know where I'm gonna sleep tonight and all I have is
this $20 I stole from my mom, but by god I'm gonna be JUST LIKE HUNTER
S. THOMPSON and blow it on this METHAMPHETAMINE! Then when I'm high
I'll steal a computer and write THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL!"
GET YOUR NOGGIN OUT OF YOUR iPOD, SIRMAAM! Quit moping over old
mopped-up dopers and GET UPRIGHT with "BOB."
BE LIKE KEN KESEY -- PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!
No, no, not around that old wine bottle. I mean GET OFF YOUR ASS, TURN
OFF THE TUBE, DROP OUT THE WINDOW, and HEAVE UPSTREAM AS HARD AS YOU
CAN until they figure out how to STOP you, because THEY WILL. And then,
THEN and ONLY THEN, if you aren't dead yet, THEN, once they've stopped
you, SLACK OFF LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW.
FOR THERE *IS* NO TOMORROW. JUST ASK HUNTER.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
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SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:40:35 -0500
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On 2/23/05 3:21 PM, in article 230220051521415464%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com,
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> Yet I DID end up more
> like Kesey than like [Tom] Wolfe or any of those other things. When I finally
> saw the Bus Movie I realized that in some respects, the Church of the
> SubGenius had done the Pranksters one better! (Albeit with a lot less
> acid.) I mean, I'm an amateur, really, at film, writing and
> triple-layer improv radio ranting. But I am as PROFESSIONAL a TEXAS UFO
> SEX-DEATH MINDFUCK CULT PROJECT SACRED SCRIBE as they come. Which is a
> lot like what Kesey's best known for. Not his paperback, but his COOL
> CLUB and CLUBHOUSE! And CLUBMOBILE! And the CLUBFOOTED CLUB-MEMBERS'
> MEMBERS.
As I've said and written for a long time, the Church of the SubGenius (in
parallel with The Grateful Dead) was a holeopathic replay/container of the
post-satellite (1960), Anglo-American, Babyboomer
semi-literate/post-literate counterculture (The Village Voice, William
Burroughs, Paul Krassner, Bob Fass (WBAI-FM), Timothy Leary, Jiddu
Krishnamurti, Cosmic Awareness Organization, Ken Kesey, Frank Zappa, Huey
Newton, Melvin Van Peebles, Laurence Rockefeller, Gloria Steinem, Charles
Bukowski, Mae Brussell, Herbert W. Armstrong, Dr. Peter Beter, Lyndon
LaRouche, and the tensions and conflicts therein) largely for Generation X
(though there was a response from a few Babyboomer diehards) in the
Eighties. The Android Meme (1977-90) loved this interior landscape/moiré.
However, in the Nineties, during the death throes of the Android Meme, the
archetype of the Church of the SubGenius (and its origins above) was
downsized again holeopathically and weakly replayed in the form of David
Icke/WIRED magazine for the Babyboomer, X, and Y Generations.
This Anglo-American archetype was and will only continue to be a mostly
frustrating, spastic waystation for these dithyrambic decade-dancers (and
the coming "batches" [Captain Beefheart], too), since comprehensive
awareness (paramedia yoga) is far removed from and interpenetrates any
holeopathic archetype.
Meanwhile, where we are now (post-Y2K) on the surface is best mimed (for the
semi/post-literates) by the recent movie THE FAST RUNNER (2001), although it
doesn't (no medium can, as the image of President Bush understands) reveal
the hidden iceberg of the truly new lurking over there.
The paid-up members of the Church of the SubGenius and all those named above
did and do not understand what's stated in the above paragraphs.
So stop whittling... at least, for a few months.
Thank you. Perhaps more later but I must be off to finish my coffee enema.
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:55:08 -0500
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On 23 Feb 2005 08:57:42 -0800, "frater S.O.D.D.I."
wrote:
>I think HST was one of those writers who were definitely of THEIR time
>and absolutely of "YOUR" time.
This I disagree with. HST is very much as relevant now as he was back
then...maybe even more so. A lot of younger people are in to Thompson
because most of the names in his political writing could be replaced
with "Bush" and "Cheyney" and the shit would make perfect sense.
>IMO, HST is one of those authors who is great to read when you're 18 or
>19... like Burroughs, Bukowski and others. I get a kick out of seeing
>kids read that stuff. It opens your eyes to different experiences, to
>different ways of telling. Those kind of writers CAN change your life.
This I think might be true for some people, but not for everyone.
Those of us a bit too far into the red on the sanity or normalcy scale
will appreciate him for all time. His savage meanness and utter
craziness are admirable. We all need heroes.
I'm only 27, so who knows, but I don't see myself ever moving past
enjoying his writing even as I read more and more "Challenging", as
you put it, material. He has a unique perspective which is just as
valuable and critical for understanding this world as any writer.
Everyone has something to teach you, and he had a lot more than the
average person.
>But if you're still reading that kind of book when you're close to or
>into your middle age, it's way past time to challenge yourself a bit
>more.
Fair enough, but I don't think there's any reason to disregard
Thompson as long as it's not all you're reading or have ever read.
>HST is in good company. Kesey, one of his contemporaries, also burned
>out after 2 great books.
I think there is more great Thompson than just two books. The Rum
Diary is a beautiful book and not, IMHO, "typical" Thompson material.
The collections of his letters (Proud Highway and F&L in America at
least) weren't written as books, but still have a lot to offer. Then
you obviously have FLLV and Campaign trail 72'. We'll see how the
newest one is when I get to it.
The thing about Thompson is this: He is for the freaks and the
wierdos and the savage maniacs. He isn't for everyone, and he isn't
for everyone that I would consider "intelligent" or "cool" or
whatever. You don't have to like Thompson to be okay with me. He
makes a connection with certain people, and for those people it
transcends what the average reader gets out of his books.
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: joecosby@mindspring.com
Date: 23 Feb 2005 19:36:34 -0800
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I wouldn't argue against that.
Personally, I read all of Thompson's stuff except Fear and Loathing
over the last couple years. For me I really did get a rush like
reading Fear and Loathing the first time all over again.
Burroughs is a good comparison, they are both alike to me.
I don't think of either HST or WSB as novelists. They were, both of
them, formally, wrote books with beginnings, middles, endings; with
points, plots, styles, and all of the correct tools which writers are
supposed to use in crafting works of literature.
At that level I don't think either one of them adds up to much.
Burroughs even more than Thompson. I have never been able to make it
through one of Burrough's novels. Naked Lunch especially, I just hate
that one.
Both of them though, to me, could be endlessly fascinating. In both
their cases, I think they were at their best when they were writing in
more of a journalistic mode, and -trying- to write more or less
straight; and the weird side of them was coming out kind of despite
them.
I think when they were trying to be the great icons they were supposed
to be they were both kind of boring.
It's a matter of taste anyway. If you read it and didn't like it, to
me that's as far as the conversation needs to go. I can't stand
watching other people trying to argue "no, you -should- have liked it
god damn it!" and I especially hate seeing myself do it.
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:02:57 -0500
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On 23 Feb 2005 19:36:34 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>Both of them though, to me, could be endlessly fascinating. In both
>their cases, I think they were at their best when they were writing in
>more of a journalistic mode, and -trying- to write more or less
>straight; and the weird side of them was coming out kind of despite
>them.
This is really the bottom line. HST *was* a journalist and I think his
writing should be considered as such. He might not be F. Scott
Fitzgerald, but he was never really supposed to be. He had a bitch of
a time getting novels published, yet managed to get plenty of articles
published for that exact reason. His subject matter was that of a
journalist and it was presented in a journalistic way. The fact that
he took it farther than what came before him, and that no one has
managed to duplicate him since, is a testament to his talent at *this*
area of writing.
--
endus at the domain endus dot com
Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
a man who has settled for financial and personal security
for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:03:59 GMT
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In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>,
endus wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2005 19:36:34 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Both of them though, to me, could be endlessly fascinating. In both
> >their cases, I think they were at their best when they were writing in
> >more of a journalistic mode, and -trying- to write more or less
> >straight; and the weird side of them was coming out kind of despite
> >them.
>
> This is really the bottom line. HST *was* a journalist and I think his
> writing should be considered as such. He might not be F. Scott
> Fitzgerald, but he was never really supposed to be. He had a bitch of
> a time getting novels published, yet managed to get plenty of articles
> published for that exact reason. His subject matter was that of a
> journalist and it was presented in a journalistic way. The fact that
> he took it farther than what came before him, and that no one has
> managed to duplicate him since, is a testament to his talent at *this*
> area of writing.
There ya go. Smartest post on the matter yet.
--
HellPope Huey
Composer, Decomposer,
Poseur, EpiscoPopopalian
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it
because the only people who really know where it is
are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thompson
"I dreamed I went to Heaven,
but they realized it wasn't my time,
so they sent me back to a brewery."
- "Family Guy"
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:54:48 -0500
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:03:59 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:
>In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>,
> endus wrote:
>
>> On 23 Feb 2005 19:36:34 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Both of them though, to me, could be endlessly fascinating. In both
>> >their cases, I think they were at their best when they were writing in
>> >more of a journalistic mode, and -trying- to write more or less
>> >straight; and the weird side of them was coming out kind of despite
>> >them.
>>
>> This is really the bottom line. HST *was* a journalist and I think his
>> writing should be considered as such. He might not be F. Scott
>> Fitzgerald, but he was never really supposed to be. He had a bitch of
>> a time getting novels published, yet managed to get plenty of articles
>> published for that exact reason. His subject matter was that of a
>> journalist and it was presented in a journalistic way. The fact that
>> he took it farther than what came before him, and that no one has
>> managed to duplicate him since, is a testament to his talent at *this*
>> area of writing.
>
> There ya go. Smartest post on the matter yet.
Thanks =]
> "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it
> because the only people who really know where it is
> are the ones who have gone over."
> - Hunter S. Thompson
I love that quote and (I think) the passage that comes before it. It
makes me want to go out and crash a motorcycle. How many writers can
make sliding across asphalt at 70MPH or flying superman style over a
guard rail sound like an interesting life experience? Not many that
I've read.
--
endus at the domain endus dot com
Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
a man who has settled for financial and personal security
for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:42 -0700
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"endus" wrote in message
news:7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com...
> On 23 Feb 2005 19:36:34 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>
>>Both of them though, to me, could be endlessly fascinating. In both
>>their cases, I think they were at their best when they were writing in
>>more of a journalistic mode, and -trying- to write more or less
>>straight; and the weird side of them was coming out kind of despite
>>them.
>
> This is really the bottom line. HST *was* a journalist
Gonzo journalist!
A.P.
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:55:08 -0500
--------
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:42 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>
>
>"endus" wrote in message
>news:7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com...
>> On 23 Feb 2005 19:36:34 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Both of them though, to me, could be endlessly fascinating. In both
>>>their cases, I think they were at their best when they were writing in
>>>more of a journalistic mode, and -trying- to write more or less
>>>straight; and the weird side of them was coming out kind of despite
>>>them.
>>
>> This is really the bottom line. HST *was* a journalist
>
>Gonzo journalist!
>
>A.P.
>
No doubt! My bad!
--
endus at the domain endus dot com
Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
a man who has settled for financial and personal security
for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:23:45 -0800
--------
In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>, endus
wrote:
> Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
> a man who has settled for financial and personal security
> for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
> society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
> but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
> any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
> he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
> when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
> when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
> of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
> good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
> his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
> back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
> courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
> cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
> second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
What an unmitigated crock of shit. All these life-on-the-edgers use
the same tired argument to justify their complete lack of
responsibility to themselves and others. Imagine what the world would
be like if EVERYONE lived that way? You couldn't step out the front
door without risking your life. Nothing would ever get done. No food
would be grown. No roads, bridges or railways would be built. No
schools or hospitals would exist. Just a bunch of fucking cavemonkeys
ooging it up in some cave over how close they came to that sabre tooth
tiger, and wasn't THAT oh-so-fucking edgy?
Fuck Hunter Thompson. I've been where he's been and it would have
killed me if I didn't get out. Word up niggers: for every Hunter
Thomson that ever made it off his drug-addled scrawlings there's a
thousand dead junkies that could never express the pain they suffered.
You think life on the "edge" was glamorous for them? You think THEY
would have passed on the opportunity to just live quietly in peace,
putting something together for themselves and their families, however
small it might have appeared to Mr Hunter Fucking Thompson?
Fuck that shit.
Y'all go right ahead and worship Mr Ernest Hemingway Thompson all you
like. To me, he was just so much wasted space. Did he build anything?
Did he invent anything? Did he cure anything? The people he blows off
in that essay are the very people who made it possible for him to act
like an idiot. Who did he think built that motorcycle? Where did it
come from? His imagination? What about the roads he toured on, the
cities he visited, and for that matter the cannon they're gonna shoot
his stupid dead ashes from? They should have shot him from it while he
was still alive, is what.
Feh.
pb
Correspondent:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:21:29 GMT
--------
polar bear wrote:
>In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>, endus
> wrote:
>
>> Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
>> a man who has settled for financial and personal security
>> for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
>> society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
>> but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
>> any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
>> he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
>> when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
>> when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
>> of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
>> good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
>> his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
>> back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
>> courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
>> cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
>> second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
>
>What an unmitigated crock of shit. All these life-on-the-edgers use
>the same tired argument to justify their complete lack of
>responsibility to themselves and others. Imagine what the world would
>be like if EVERYONE lived that way? You couldn't step out the front
>door without risking your life. Nothing would ever get done. No food
>would be grown. No roads, bridges or railways would be built. No
>schools or hospitals would exist. Just a bunch of fucking cavemonkeys
>ooging it up in some cave over how close they came to that sabre tooth
>tiger, and wasn't THAT oh-so-fucking edgy?
>
>Fuck Hunter Thompson. I've been where he's been and it would have
>killed me if I didn't get out. Word up niggers: for every Hunter
>Thomson that ever made it off his drug-addled scrawlings there's a
>thousand dead junkies that could never express the pain they suffered.
>You think life on the "edge" was glamorous for them? You think THEY
>would have passed on the opportunity to just live quietly in peace,
>putting something together for themselves and their families, however
>small it might have appeared to Mr Hunter Fucking Thompson?
>
>Fuck that shit.
>
>Y'all go right ahead and worship Mr Ernest Hemingway Thompson all you
>like. To me, he was just so much wasted space. Did he build anything?
>Did he invent anything? Did he cure anything? The people he blows off
>in that essay are the very people who made it possible for him to act
>like an idiot. Who did he think built that motorcycle? Where did it
>come from? His imagination? What about the roads he toured on, the
>cities he visited, and for that matter the cannon they're gonna shoot
>his stupid dead ashes from? They should have shot him from it while he
>was still alive, is what.
>
>Feh.
>
>pb
I've had this theory about pop icons for a while,
I'll have to Google around, maybe somebody
else had the same idea, or at least I'll be able
to accumulate more to substantiate my idea
and clarify my focus on it.
OK, it's the "El Dorado Theory"
The ol' Indians used to coat a chosen one with gold,
glorify them with all kinda hoo-ha, then throw
them in the lake! Don't we do the same thing
with one pop icon after another? Think of the
list: James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, Jimi Hendricks,
Joplin, Kennedy, and many more. Anyway, the
idea is only half-baked, so far.
Next!!!
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:06 -0500
--------
On 2/26/05 5:21 AM, in article
J4YTd.79417$Th1.40393@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "König Prüße,
GfbAEV" wrote:
> OK, it's the "El Dorado Theory"
>
> The ol' Indians used to coat a chosen one with gold,
> glorify them with all kinda hoo-ha, then throw
> them in the lake! Don't we do the same thing
> with one pop icon after another? Think of the
> list: James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, Jimi Hendricks,
> Joplin, Kennedy, and many more. Anyway, the
> idea is only half-baked, so far.
The idea is represented in my Tiny Note chart - in the Kroker quadrant in
particular (actually it's the whole chart wherein I celebrate how we abuse
the Android Meme).
For P.O.B.'s, read Kroker's DATA TRASH (1994) or SPASM (1993).
The Great Bob Dobbs
>
>
>
>
Correspondent:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:09:34 GMT
--------
purple wrote:
>On 2/26/05 5:21 AM, in article
>J4YTd.79417$Th1.40393@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "König Prüße,
>GfbAEV" wrote:
>
>> OK, it's the "El Dorado Theory"
>>
>> The ol' Indians used to coat a chosen one with gold,
>> glorify them with all kinda hoo-ha, then throw
>> them in the lake! Don't we do the same thing
>> with one pop icon after another? Think of the
>> list: James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, Jimi Hendricks,
>> Joplin, Kennedy, and many more. Anyway, the
>> idea is only half-baked, so far.
>
>The idea is represented in my Tiny Note chart - in the Kroker quadrant in
>particular (actually it's the whole chart wherein I celebrate how we abuse
>the Android Meme).
>
>For P.O.B.'s, read Kroker's DATA TRASH (1994) or SPASM (1993).
>
>
>The Great Bob Dobbs
>
>
Well, it's not such an obscure phenomenon that I
thought that someone moght have noticed it besides
me, I mean it's probably been going on since before
Inca times. "Throw the Virgin Into the Volcano" is a
variant, probably many variations to be indexed.
Thanks for the pointer, especially if it's got any meme
analysis content, I'll look for it.
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:17:10 -0500
--------
On 2/26/05 12:09 PM, in article
i32Ud.287047$w62.198094@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "König Prüße,
GfbAEV" wrote:
> purple wrote:
>
>> On 2/26/05 5:21 AM, in article
>> J4YTd.79417$Th1.40393@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "König Prüße,
>> GfbAEV" wrote:
>>
>>> OK, it's the "El Dorado Theory"
>>>
>>> The ol' Indians used to coat a chosen one with gold,
>>> glorify them with all kinda hoo-ha, then throw
>>> them in the lake! Don't we do the same thing
>>> with one pop icon after another? Think of the
>>> list: James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, Jimi Hendricks,
>>> Joplin, Kennedy, and many more. Anyway, the
>>> idea is only half-baked, so far.
>>
>> The idea is represented in my Tiny Note chart - in the Kroker quadrant in
>> particular (actually it's the whole chart wherein I celebrate how we abuse
>> the Android Meme).
>>
>> For P.O.B.'s, read Kroker's DATA TRASH (1994) or SPASM (1993).
>>
>>
>> The Great Bob Dobbs
>>
>>
>
> Well, it's not such an obscure phenomenon that I
> thought that someone moght have noticed it besides
> me, I mean it's probably been going on since before
> Inca times. "Throw the Virgin Into the Volcano" is a
> variant, probably many variations to be indexed.
>
> Thanks for the pointer, especially if it's got any meme
> analysis content, I'll look for it.
It does. His term is "memetic flesh". But that's in a later essay from
DIGITAL DELIRIUM (1997).
You can go to his journal right now:
http://www.ctheory.net
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:09:52 GMT
--------
purple wrote:
>On 2/26/05 5:21 AM, in article
>J4YTd.79417$Th1.40393@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "König Prüße,
>GfbAEV" wrote:
>
>> OK, it's the "El Dorado Theory"
>>
>> The ol' Indians used to coat a chosen one with gold,
>> glorify them with all kinda hoo-ha, then throw
>> them in the lake! Don't we do the same thing
>> with one pop icon after another? Think of the
>> list: James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, Jimi Hendricks,
>> Joplin, Kennedy, and many more. Anyway, the
>> idea is only half-baked, so far.
>
>The idea is represented in my Tiny Note chart - in the Kroker quadrant in
>particular (actually it's the whole chart wherein I celebrate how we abuse
>the Android Meme).
>
>For P.O.B.'s, read Kroker's DATA TRASH (1994) or SPASM (1993).
>
>
>The Great Bob Dobbs
>
>
Well, it's not such an obscure phenomenon that I
thought that someone moght have noticed it besides
me, I mean it's probably been going on since before
Inca times. "Throw the Virgin Into the Volcano" is a
variant, probably many variations to be indexed.
Thanks for the pointer, especially if it's got any meme
analysis content, I'll look for it.
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:46:21 -0800
--------
In article ,
König Prüße, GfbAEV wrote:
snip
>
> Well, it's not such an obscure phenomenon that I
> thought that someone moght have noticed it besides
> me, I mean it's probably been going on since before
> Inca times. "Throw the Virgin Into the Volcano" is a
> variant, probably many variations to be indexed.
>
Damn, I bet those Incans got a lot of pussy.
Think about it....
pb
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:39:08 GMT
--------
In article <260220050123452322%bear@pole.com>,
polar bear wrote:
> Y'all go right ahead and worship Mr Ernest Hemingway Thompson all you
> like. To me, he was just so much wasted space. Did he build anything?
> Did he invent anything? Did he cure anything? The people he blows off
> in that essay are the very people who made it possible for him to act
> like an idiot. Who did he think built that motorcycle? Where did it
> come from? His imagination? What about the roads he toured on, the
> cities he visited, and for that matter the cannon they're gonna shoot
> his stupid dead ashes from? They should have shot him from it while he
> was still alive, is what.
So, do you think there is a middle ground between being a ground-up
wage-slave with the inner life of a badger versus an arrogant,
pseudo-intellectual, societal leech who lives to sneer at the
underpinnings he claims to revile from high atop Mount Uppity?
Just curious.
--
HellPope Huey
That's no place for a clothespin, Ethel
This idea that love overtakes you is nonsense.
This is but a polite manifestation of sex.
To love another you have to undertake
some fragment of their destiny.
~ Quentin Crisp
Man: "I'd like to take you out
in a monster-free city."
Woman: "I'd like that."
- from "Gamera: Guardian of the Universe"
Correspondent:: purple
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:54 -0500
--------
On 2/26/05 11:39 AM, in article
Grinningbastard-34BEB9.10402526022005@news1.west.earthlink.net, "HellPope
Huey" wrote:
> In article <260220050123452322%bear@pole.com>,
> polar bear wrote:
>
>> Y'all go right ahead and worship Mr Ernest Hemingway Thompson all you
>> like. To me, he was just so much wasted space. Did he build anything?
>> Did he invent anything? Did he cure anything? The people he blows off
>> in that essay are the very people who made it possible for him to act
>> like an idiot. Who did he think built that motorcycle? Where did it
>> come from? His imagination? What about the roads he toured on, the
>> cities he visited, and for that matter the cannon they're gonna shoot
>> his stupid dead ashes from? They should have shot him from it while he
>> was still alive, is what.
>
> So, do you think there is a middle ground between being a ground-up
> wage-slave with the inner life of a badger versus an arrogant,
> pseudo-intellectual, societal leech who lives to sneer at the
> underpinnings he claims to revile from high atop Mount Uppity?
> Just curious.
Nope. When you have at least 4 bodies, you can enjoy both options and lots
more. It's just a matter of avoiding others' misunderstandings of how you're
using your time.
The Great Bob Dobbs
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:48:41 -0800
--------
In article
,
HellPope Huey wrote:
> In article <260220050123452322%bear@pole.com>,
> polar bear wrote:
>
> > Y'all go right ahead and worship Mr Ernest Hemingway Thompson all you
> > like. To me, he was just so much wasted space. Did he build anything?
> > Did he invent anything? Did he cure anything? The people he blows off
> > in that essay are the very people who made it possible for him to act
> > like an idiot. Who did he think built that motorcycle? Where did it
> > come from? His imagination? What about the roads he toured on, the
> > cities he visited, and for that matter the cannon they're gonna shoot
> > his stupid dead ashes from? They should have shot him from it while he
> > was still alive, is what.
>
> So, do you think there is a middle ground between being a ground-up
> wage-slave with the inner life of a badger versus an arrogant,
> pseudo-intellectual, societal leech who lives to sneer at the
> underpinnings he claims to revile from high atop Mount Uppity?
> Just curious.
>
You got something against badgers?
pb
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:17:59 GMT
--------
In article <260220051448417099%bear@pole.com>,
polar bear wrote:
> In article
> ,
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> > So, do you think there is a middle ground between being a ground-up
> > wage-slave with the inner life of a badger versus an arrogant,
> > pseudo-intellectual, societal leech who lives to sneer at the
> > underpinnings he claims to revile from high atop Mount Uppity?
> > Just curious.
> >
> > You got something against badgers?
Yeah, my crotch. I rub up and down and make revolting sex noises. Oddly
enough, they seem to warm up to it. What does this have to do with
Hunter or society or ANYthing good, for that matter? You sicken me. My
badgers and I spit on your cherished beliefs and your car hood.
--
HellPope Huey
That's no place for a clothespin, Ethel
This idea that love overtakes you is nonsense.
This is but a polite manifestation of sex.
To love another you have to undertake
some fragment of their destiny.
~ Quentin Crisp
Man: "I'd like to take you out
in a monster-free city."
Woman: "I'd like that."
- from "Gamera: Guardian of the Universe"
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:41:44 -0700
--------
Boy, is this asshole a phony or what??? Talk about contrived! "All those
poor junkies who could not speak!"
Fucking ignorant porker! I was offered heroin by some brothers one time, it
was a Heroin party; first shot was free! Now, first of all you have to be
fucking brain dead to go off to a party with two bloods in the hood just to
take heroin. No white guy ever offered me heroin, or even a snort of coke.
You have to BUY it from them. But the Blacks in my hood, they'd give you a
couple of shots for free, for the taste...then low-ball the price for
awhile, then when you are hooked, fuck you, go steal a TV or a car radio!
These fuckers were marketing masterminds. And people who become junkies,
whether they can express their "pain" or not, well, it is their own fault.
But I don't recall HST ever promoting becoming a heroin junkie as "living on
the edge." That is jumping off the fucking edge into the abyss. HST liked to
skirt the edge and test his wings now and again, the point is he stayed sane
(?) enough or at least functional enough to write essays, books, articles
etc. and make a damned good living while outwitting the cops and the judges
and the junkies and never having to even work hard at the writing. This, in
my opinion is SubGenius behavior. And he did it BEFORE there were any
SubGeniuses. Though I do believe Bob gave him a boost.
So please, enough with the fakey "HST was a turd because he recommended
drugs to everyone!" What bullshit. He stood firm on if you take drugs, you
had better be able to deal with it.
A.P.
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:10:46 -0800
--------
In article <38em2kF5n929fU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
> Boy, is this asshole a phony or what??? Talk about contrived! "All those
> poor junkies who could not speak!"
>
> Fucking ignorant porker! I was offered heroin by some brothers one time, it
> was a Heroin party; first shot was free! Now, first of all you have to be
> fucking brain dead to go off to a party with two bloods in the hood just to
> take heroin. No white guy ever offered me heroin, or even a snort of coke.
> You have to BUY it from them. But the Blacks in my hood, they'd give you a
> couple of shots for free, for the taste...then low-ball the price for
> awhile, then when you are hooked, fuck you, go steal a TV or a car radio!
> These fuckers were marketing masterminds. And people who become junkies,
> whether they can express their "pain" or not, well, it is their own fault.
> But I don't recall HST ever promoting becoming a heroin junkie as "living on
> the edge." That is jumping off the fucking edge into the abyss. HST liked to
> skirt the edge and test his wings now and again, the point is he stayed sane
> (?) enough or at least functional enough to write essays, books, articles
> etc. and make a damned good living while outwitting the cops and the judges
> and the junkies and never having to even work hard at the writing. This, in
> my opinion is SubGenius behavior. And he did it BEFORE there were any
> SubGeniuses. Though I do believe Bob gave him a boost.
>
> So please, enough with the fakey "HST was a turd because he recommended
> drugs to everyone!" What bullshit. He stood firm on if you take drugs, you
> had better be able to deal with it.
>
> A.P.
Hey, it got your attention, didn't it?
Mission Acomplished.
pb
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:50:20 -0500
--------
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:23:45 -0800, polar bear wrote:
>In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>, endus
> wrote:
>
>> Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
>> a man who has settled for financial and personal security
>> for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
>> society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
>> but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
>> any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
>> he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
>> when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
>> when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
>> of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
>> good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
>> his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
>> back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
>> courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
>> cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
>> second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
>
>What an unmitigated crock of shit. All these life-on-the-edgers use
>the same tired argument to justify their complete lack of
>responsibility to themselves and others. Imagine what the world would
>be like if EVERYONE lived that way? You couldn't step out the front
>door without risking your life. Nothing would ever get done. No food
>would be grown. No roads, bridges or railways would be built. No
>schools or hospitals would exist. Just a bunch of fucking cavemonkeys
>ooging it up in some cave over how close they came to that sabre tooth
>tiger, and wasn't THAT oh-so-fucking edgy?
What are you even talking about? Sitting around doing drugs all the
time isn't what he's advocating at all in that quote. I would say
more or less the exact opposite. I'll remind you, too, that Thompson
was an author who made a fairly decent amount of money, got a movie
deal, and stuck to his ideals in the process. Your thought process is
so limited that you can't see beyond the image of Thompson as people
portray him. That quote is talking about idealism and values, it's
not endorsing any specific lifestyle. Then again, I'm sure you're
just some soulless wage-slave who never had an independant thought in
his life, so why would I expect you to understand the idea that there
is more to life than punching a time clock.
> Word up niggers:
Case in point.
> for every Hunter
>Thomson that ever made it off his drug-addled scrawlings there's a
>thousand dead junkies that could never express the pain they suffered.
>You think life on the "edge" was glamorous for them? You think THEY
Please point out where in that quote the "edge" is defined as taking
tons of drugs and doing nothing else.
> Did he build anything?
>Did he invent anything? Did he cure anything?
What did James Joyce build? What did F. Scott Fitzgerald invent?
What did Rush Limbaugh cure? He was an artist. He influenced a lot
of people in the field of journalism and inspired many to become
writers. In the process he held true to his own ideals and beliefs.
That sounds like a successfull motherfucker to me.
What have YOU built, invented, or cured? My guess is JACK SHIT.
>The people he blows off
>in that essay are the very people who made it possible for him to act
>like an idiot. Who did he think built that motorcycle? Where did it
>come from? His imagination? What about the roads he toured on, the
>cities he visited, and for that matter the cannon they're gonna shoot
>his stupid dead ashes from? They should have shot him from it while he
>was still alive, is what.
That's not what he's talking about.
--
endus at the domain endus dot com
Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
a man who has settled for financial and personal security
for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:08:17 -0800
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In article , endus
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:23:45 -0800, polar bear wrote:
>
> >In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>, endus
> > wrote:
> >
>
> That's not what he's talking about
I wouldn't know. I never read anything by him.
pb
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:16:00 -0500
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:08:17 -0800, polar bear wrote:
>In article , endus
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:23:45 -0800, polar bear wrote:
>>
>> >In article <7dnr115jpj1h8h4n1qg2j7ppsg062nipa1@4ax.com>, endus
>> > wrote:
>> >
>>
>> That's not what he's talking about
>
>I wouldn't know. I never read anything by him.
>
>pb
No, I don't beleive it. Can't be.
--
endus at the domain endus dot com
Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean
a man who has settled for financial and personal security
for his goal in life...His ideas and ideals are those of
society in general and he is accepted as a respectable,
but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? Has he
any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when
he has risked nothing and gained nothing...How does he feel
when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life;
when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit
of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and
good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed
his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn
back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the
courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the
cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it
second-hand. - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway
Correspondent:: "krustymadfaker"
Date: 23 Feb 2005 11:12:42 -0800
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Zapanaz wrote:
> It occurs to me that most of you may not have read anything of Hunter
> S Thompson's except "Fear and Loathing" and maybe a few hits on that
> Hell's Angels book.
>
> If that's the case, I highly recommend all of Thompson's books. The
> two which most people read are classics, but IMO Thompson was a truly
> brilliant, mind-peeling, writer. There is just not too much HST. He
> was blistering and razor-edged and I find him endless fun to read.
>
> It's just a damn shame, IMO, that he didn't produce more.
>
> go read them now god damn it or you are a bunch of pink bastards.
>
> --
> Zapanaz
> International Satanic Conspiracy
> Customer Support Specialist
> http://joecosby.com/
> False Memories Do Not Exist!
I agree with you and your post. he is one who actually did it instead
of just talking about it. I'm sure he was like any subgenius, A HOARDER
and has a ton of stuff locked up in his compound. Manuscripts, typings,
unpublished illegible chicken scratches notebooks, still ataintable
computer towers with shotgun blasts in them. They're all behind
boobytraps but thats the way he wanted it. I'm sure all this will be
coming out in the coming years. He will be life long reading because
Las Vegas, and America are not the way they were then. Plus he could
really dress.
Of course I think he faked his death and is living it up in a third
world country. I know where he goes when he gets super sad and I'm not
telling NOBODY!! The gambling debts and snow caught up with him and his
coffin is just stuffed with Bush/Nixon masks. Prove me wrong, get some
dynamite and dig up his body. Thats what he would want us to do even if
he is full of worms.
"Happiness is [DELETED FOR SECURITY REASONS]"
- The Computer
"All internal security agents please turn in your personal effects and
report to the food vats." -Paranoia R.P.G.
Correspondent:: "«BONEHEAD>>"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:23:25 GMT
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"krustymadfaker" wrote in message
news:1109185962.391671.279400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Zapanaz wrote:
> > It occurs to me that most of you may not have read anything of Hunter
> > S Thompson's except "Fear and Loathing" and maybe a few hits on that
> > Hell's Angels book.
> >
> > If that's the case, I highly recommend all of Thompson's books. The
> > two which most people read are classics, but IMO Thompson was a truly
> > brilliant, mind-peeling, writer. There is just not too much HST. He
> > was blistering and razor-edged and I find him endless fun to read.
> >
> > It's just a damn shame, IMO, that he didn't produce more.
> >
> > go read them now god damn it or you are a bunch of pink bastards.
> >
> > --
> > Zapanaz
> > International Satanic Conspiracy
> > Customer Support Specialist
> > http://joecosby.com/
> > False Memories Do Not Exist!
>
> I agree with you and your post. he is one who actually did it instead
> of just talking about it. I'm sure he was like any subgenius, A HOARDER
> and has a ton of stuff locked up in his compound. Manuscripts, typings,
> unpublished illegible chicken scratches notebooks, still ataintable
> computer towers with shotgun blasts in them. They're all behind
> boobytraps but thats the way he wanted it. I'm sure all this will be
> coming out in the coming years. He will be life long reading because
> Las Vegas, and America are not the way they were then. Plus he could
> really dress.
>
> Of course I think he faked his death and is living it up in a third
> world country. I know where he goes when he gets super sad and I'm not
> telling NOBODY!! The gambling debts and snow caught up with him and his
> coffin is just stuffed with Bush/Nixon masks. Prove me wrong, get some
> dynamite and dig up his body. Thats what he would want us to do even if
> he is full of worms.
>
Your gonna have a tough time with that,
cuz they're gonna blow his ashes out of a cannon....
Something about going out with a BANG....!!!
--
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." Albert Einstein