President Richard Nixon
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:22:46 -0500

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I just saw "Nixon" last night, on TCM, for the first time.
I was fairly young when he was president, about 14 or so.
Mostly what I remember about him was his ending the Viet
Nam War and how relieved I was that I wouldn't be drafted
when I turned 18. Also I remember the Watergate scandal
because it dominated not only the news but also all of
entertainment television (I think I even remember an
episode of 'I Dream of Jeanie' where the actors broke
out of character in order to give speeches against Nixon).

All I actually thought back then was that Nixon was a
bad man, but I didn't really know why. Everyone just
said he was, so he MUST have been.

Now that I've seen the movie, I realize how wrong I was.
President Nixon was a VERY GOOD man who tried very hard
to bring about peace. He made peace with Russia, ended
the Viet Nam War -- even though he had to admit that
America had lost that war, a first in American history,
and he was even able to sit down with Chairman Mao and
begin negotiations with China.

He came up poor, like most of us. He had a good heart
and in fact was just too honest for his own good. He
tried to lock horns with the likes of Hoover and the
powerful elite who were pulling the strings in government
behind the scenes. He would be no one's puppet. I think
his only real failing was that he was convinced that he
had to be the strongest man in the world, and that belief
made him incapable of admitting that he was wrong about
anything.

He was made out to be the worst villain since Hitler,
on television when I was just a kid, and I bought the
whole package without question.

If President Nixon was alive today I think I'd write
him a letter and apologize to him for how I felt back
then.

I'm sorry Mr. President; you were indeed a good man.
Thank you for all you did for our country and the
world.

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Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:55:20 GMT

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Artemia Salina wrote:
>I just saw "Nixon" last night, on TCM, for the first time.
>I was fairly young when he was president, about 14 or so.
>Mostly what I remember about him was his ending the Viet
>Nam War and how relieved I was that I wouldn't be drafted
>when I turned 18. Also I remember the Watergate scandal
>because it dominated not only the news but also all of
>entertainment television (I think I even remember an
>episode of 'I Dream of Jeanie' where the actors broke
>out of character in order to give speeches against Nixon).
>
>All I actually thought back then was that Nixon was a
>bad man, but I didn't really know why. Everyone just
>said he was, so he MUST have been.
>
>Now that I've seen the movie, I realize how wrong I was.
>President Nixon was a VERY GOOD man who tried very hard
>to bring about peace. He made peace with Russia, ended
>the Viet Nam War -- even though he had to admit that
>America had lost that war, a first in American history,
>and he was even able to sit down with Chairman Mao and
>begin negotiations with China.
>
>He came up poor, like most of us. He had a good heart
>and in fact was just too honest for his own good. He
>tried to lock horns with the likes of Hoover and the
>powerful elite who were pulling the strings in government
>behind the scenes. He would be no one's puppet. I think
>his only real failing was that he was convinced that he
>had to be the strongest man in the world, and that belief
>made him incapable of admitting that he was wrong about
>anything.
>
>He was made out to be the worst villain since Hitler,
>on television when I was just a kid, and I bought the
>whole package without question.
>
>If President Nixon was alive today I think I'd write
>him a letter and apologize to him for how I felt back
>then.
>
>I'm sorry Mr. President; you were indeed a good man.
>Thank you for all you did for our country and the
>world.
>
>--

Nixon was a Quaker and ate oatmeal and everything,
and because he was a Qauker, I want to think that he
was a good and peaceful man, but he was surrounded
by bad evil people maybe who liked to break into places
after hours and steal office supplies.

JFK, on the other hand, was perceived as a good and noble man
but was really very evil and had to be put to sleep for the good of
the American country and to insure a secure supply of Macanudos.




Correspondent:: "Kevin Cunningham"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:58:26 GMT

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"Artemia Salina" wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.05.10.22.45.669859@sheayright.com...
>I just saw "Nixon" last night, on TCM, for the first time.
> I was fairly young when he was president, about 14 or so.
> Mostly what I remember about him was his ending the Viet
> Nam War and how relieved I was that I wouldn't be drafted
> when I turned 18. Also I remember the Watergate scandal
> because it dominated not only the news but also all of
> entertainment television (I think I even remember an
> episode of 'I Dream of Jeanie' where the actors broke
> out of character in order to give speeches against Nixon).
>
> All I actually thought back then was that Nixon was a
> bad man, but I didn't really know why. Everyone just
> said he was, so he MUST have been.
>
> Now that I've seen the movie, I realize how wrong I was.
> President Nixon was a VERY GOOD man who tried very hard
> to bring about peace. He made peace with Russia, ended
> the Viet Nam War -- even though he had to admit that
> America had lost that war, a first in American history,
> and he was even able to sit down with Chairman Mao and
> begin negotiations with China.
>
> He came up poor, like most of us. He had a good heart
> and in fact was just too honest for his own good. He
> tried to lock horns with the likes of Hoover and the
> powerful elite who were pulling the strings in government
> behind the scenes. He would be no one's puppet. I think
> his only real failing was that he was convinced that he
> had to be the strongest man in the world, and that belief
> made him incapable of admitting that he was wrong about
> anything.
>
> He was made out to be the worst villain since Hitler,
> on television when I was just a kid, and I bought the
> whole package without question.
>
> If President Nixon was alive today I think I'd write
> him a letter and apologize to him for how I felt back
> then.
>
> I'm sorry Mr. President; you were indeed a good man.
> Thank you for all you did for our country and the
> world.
>
> --
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>
Sorry to hear you brain fried. Hope you feel better soon.

Rev. Dr. Junior Mints
Anti-Pope of Atlanta




Correspondent:: "Talysman the Ur-Beatle"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:36:44 GMT

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Artemia Salina wrote in
news:pan.2005.02.05.10.22.45.669859@sheayright.com:

> Now that I've seen the movie, I realize how wrong I was.
> President Nixon was a VERY GOOD man who tried very hard
> to bring about peace.

*GASP!*

Nixon admitted in his writings that, while on a political trip
in south america, he punched a little boy in the back of the
head when no one was looking, because the boy was making faces
at him earlier.

and he wrote that he enjoyed it.

let's also not forget the red-baiting and his role in HUAC.

the best you can say is that Nixon was a basically good man led
astray by his own obsessions with power, vengeance, and paranoia.
the watergate and "enemies list" incidents were born out of his
lust for vengence and paranoia that everyone was out to get him.

in other words, he's a perfect example of "power corrupts".

still, he managed to accomplish a few good things as president.
he was a better president than Reagan, and after four years of
our current president, I long for the days of a Nixon. Bob Dole
would have been very much like Nixon, in both the good and bad
ways.

--
Talysman the Ur-Beatle, STRAWGRASPER


Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:10:43 -0700

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Talysman the Ur-Beatle wrote:
>
> let's also not forget the red-baiting and
> his role in HUAC.

Um, they got real communists who had infiltrated
the government with that one. Perhaps you're
thinking of the McCarthy Senate hearings. Two
very different things.

Here's the timeline:

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/20th/coldwarspies.html

BTW, only one of the Hollywood "blacklist" ever
renounced his communist background. Several admitted
and maintained proudly that they had been communists
who had conspired against the US (thus confessing to
illegal acts), but that they had been *persecuted*,
because they didn't think that what they did should
have been illegal.

This argument rarely works in court for any crime.


--
"By thy works, we shall know ye as
an asshole."
--nu-monet


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:33:16 -0800

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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:10:43 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:

>Talysman the Ur-Beatle wrote:
>>
>> let's also not forget the red-baiting and
>> his role in HUAC.
>
>Um, they got real communists who had infiltrated
>the government with that one. Perhaps you're
>thinking of the McCarthy Senate hearings. Two
>very different things.
>
>Here's the timeline:
>
>http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/20th/coldwarspies.html
>
>BTW, only one of the Hollywood "blacklist" ever
>renounced his communist background. Several admitted
>and maintained proudly that they had been communists
>who had conspired against the US (thus confessing to
>illegal acts), but that they had been *persecuted*,
>because they didn't think that what they did should
>have been illegal.
>
>This argument rarely works in court for any crime.

You have managed to leap from "The HUAC got real spies" to implying
that everybody they went after was committing real illegal acts and
almost made it sound like it made sense.

There are some real leaps of logic in there. Do you really want to go
into them? Do you really want to get into one of these endless
pointless fucking threads again?

When exactly did you decide you were going to be the knee-jerk
defender of all things right-wing?



--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
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Cris Langston
Accountant



Correspondent:: "iDRMRSR"
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:53:16 -0500

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>>When exactly did you decide you were going to be the knee-jerk
defender of all things right-wing?


Whew! I'm glad you didn't say SOLE defender of all things right-wing. I'd
a cried...

[*]
-----




Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:20 -0700

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Zapanaz wrote:
>
> You have managed to leap from "The HUAC got
> real spies" to implying that everybody they
> went after was committing real illegal acts
> and almost made it sound like it made sense.

No, what you just wrote is the leap of logic.

There is a difference between those that HUAC
investigated, most of whom were worthy of
investigation, and those that were both
indicted and convicted. HUAC *didn't*
prosecute a bunch of people it *could* have
prosecuted under the law at that time. What
the Hollywood 19 did *was illegal* at the time.

It is important to remember that HUAC was not
a criminal court. If it uncovered evidence,
then that evidence was turned over to a grand
jury--if HUAC voted to do so. If someone was
tried and convicted and sentenced to prison,
like Alger Hiss, they were done so by a jury,
not congress.

The Hollywood 19 were never "blacklisted" by
HUAC, they were "blacklisted" by their peers
in Hollywood. So in a sense, they got away
scott free.

Last but not least, remember that this was a
bipartisan effort, the rousting of communists
from the government *and* from positions where
they tried to influence the public. Democrats
and Republicans, both Dick Nixon and Robert
Kennedy, were attorneys hired to hunt down and
squish Stalin's fifth column operating in the
US.

And they *were* operating in the US, and trying
to both subvert US foreign and domestic policy,
and gathering intelligence to send to Moscow,
and trying to influence the public against anti-
communist sentiments. None of this is in dispute.

So, why do you feel compelled to defend such utter
traitorous assholes as these people? Individuals
who stole atomic secrets, who threatened the
complete nuclear annihilation of your parents even
before you had a chance to be born. These were not
nice people, and it's a damn good thing that Ronald
Reagan defeated them.

--
Herring communicate with each other
via a high-pitched, "raspberry"-like
sound emitted from their anuses.
These noises are not produced by
digestive gases.
-- from 'The New Scientist'


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:05:50 -0800

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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:20 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:

>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>> You have managed to leap from "The HUAC got
>> real spies" to implying that everybody they
>> went after was committing real illegal acts
>> and almost made it sound like it made sense.
>
>No, what you just wrote is the leap of logic.
>
>There is a difference between those that HUAC
>investigated, most of whom were worthy of
>investigation, and those that were both
>indicted and convicted. HUAC *didn't*
>prosecute a bunch of people it *could* have
>prosecuted under the law at that time. What
>the Hollywood 19 did *was illegal* at the time.
>
>It is important to remember that HUAC was not
>a criminal court. If it uncovered evidence,
>then that evidence was turned over to a grand
>jury--if HUAC voted to do so. If someone was
>tried and convicted and sentenced to prison,
>like Alger Hiss, they were done so by a jury,
>not congress.
>
>The Hollywood 19 were never "blacklisted" by
>HUAC, they were "blacklisted" by their peers
>in Hollywood. So in a sense, they got away
>scott free.
>
>Last but not least, remember that this was a
>bipartisan effort, the rousting of communists
>from the government *and* from positions where
>they tried to influence the public. Democrats
>and Republicans, both Dick Nixon and Robert
>Kennedy, were attorneys hired to hunt down and
>squish Stalin's fifth column operating in the
>US.
>
>And they *were* operating in the US, and trying
>to both subvert US foreign and domestic policy,
>and gathering intelligence to send to Moscow,
>and trying to influence the public against anti-
>communist sentiments. None of this is in dispute.
>
>So, why do you feel compelled to defend such utter
>traitorous assholes as these people? Individuals
>who stole atomic secrets, who threatened the
>complete nuclear annihilation of your parents even
>before you had a chance to be born. These were not
>nice people, and it's a damn good thing that Ronald
>Reagan defeated them.

Tell me with a straight face that you aren't aware that you are
spinning a bunch of utter bullshit. Or more to the point, mixing
truth with bullshit to imply a point you know is bullshit.

Is this a game where you are defending an arbitrary viewpoint, or do
you really believe all that stuff you're saying?



--
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The world often continues to allow evil
because it isn't angry enough.
- Bede Jarrett



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:30:50 -0700

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Zapanaz wrote:
>
> Tell me with a straight face that you aren't
> aware that you are spinning a bunch of utter
> bullshit. Or more to the point, mixing truth
> with bullshit to imply a point you know is
> bullshit.

Oh, c'mon. You aren't even trying to refute or
argue, you just call what I say "bullshit", which
is bullshit, and you call me bullshit. When, in
fact, you have NOTHING to support your arguments.

That makes you the one who is full of bullshit.
So full of bullshit that it's running out your
ears. Admit the truth. You would defend Stalin
if you had convinced yourself that he was a good
liberal.

You *can't* refute what I said, so you don't even
try. That is just bullshit. If you can't deal
with history, ignoring it won't help.

--
"We're going to take things away from
you on behalf of the common good."
-- Hillary Clinton


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:22:28 -0800

--------
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:30:50 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:

>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>> Tell me with a straight face that you aren't
>> aware that you are spinning a bunch of utter
>> bullshit. Or more to the point, mixing truth
>> with bullshit to imply a point you know is
>> bullshit.
>
>Oh, c'mon. You aren't even trying to refute or
>argue, you just call what I say "bullshit", which
>is bullshit, and you call me bullshit. When, in
>fact, you have NOTHING to support your arguments.
>
>That makes you the one who is full of bullshit.
>So full of bullshit that it's running out your
>ears. Admit the truth. You would defend Stalin
>if you had convinced yourself that he was a good
>liberal.
>
>You *can't* refute what I said, so you don't even
>try. That is just bullshit. If you can't deal
>with history, ignoring it won't help.

I just didn't want to get the fuck into it.

I really can't stand these stupid political arguments, because they
always go the same way, and there is nothing that will change that.
As I think nenslo said recently, you can go on arguing back and forth
forever but when it comes to True Beliefs you aren't going to budge
the other person one inch.

You've already taken recourse to accusing me of being a liberal
fanatic before I've even argued ANYTHING. Godwinned before it even
began. It really tells you all you need to know, that is the thread
that is about to happen in a nutshell. Nothing further to see here
folks, move along now. It doesn't matter what I say, how clearly
presented it is, or whether I am nice, cuttingly sarcastic,
artillery-strike aggressive, or whatever approach I take. I am one of
THEM and I am WRONG and you really aren't going to see anything I say
any more than a pinball machine sees the ball bouncing around inside
it, but to bounce it back with a spin on it.

Your brain has gone PINK, Dornobbo.

Not because it's right-wing bullshit, but because it's bullshit. You
can pigeonhole me as a liberal if you want, that's what pinks do, they
pigeonhole the world into neat tidy pigeonholes so they can go on
believing something dumb without having to think about whether it's
dumb or not. Whether you want to believe it or not I'm not a
knee-jerk liberal, certainly not in the way you seem to be implying.
I am a liberal in as much as I think the fundamental job of any
government is primarily to protect the freedom of the people in it,
and everything else is secondary to that.

But that's not really what you mean by liberal. I assume you mean
something which kind of vaguely implies people who are opposed to the
military and I guess Hillary Clinton fits in to your definition of
"liberal" somewhere and so I am somehow kinda ... part of HER KIND ...
or something ... and there was this guy once you argued with who was
in favor of gun control and he was SO STUPID and I am probably one of
HIS KIND somewhere in your definition of liberal ... your use of
"liberal" in general seems to cover a lot of ground from what I've
seen of it.

I know I'm critical of right wing stuff more often than left wing
stuff, but really I think right wing stuff is more completely
addle-nogginned more often then left wing stuff. There is certainly
left-wing stuff that I think is addle-nogginned.

In the fifties the words "liberal" and "egghead" were more or less
interchangeable, and that tells you something. The "right wing" has
always been characterized by a kind of automatic unquestioning
patriotism, and certainly in the fifties they had not noticed yet how
embarrassing it was to imply that "eggheads" ... i.e., people who
actually -think- about issues rather than automatically taking the
most patriotic stance ... are necessarily just wrong on general
principles.

The "right wing"' really -is-, then and now, characterized by a
willingness to act without thinking. So it doesn't strike me as
strange at all that I would more frequently find them to be comical
and insane. Neither does it strike me as evidence that I
automatically paint history in "good liberal" terms.

***

But none of that is to the point. I really didn't want to get into an
argument that I know will turn stupid and circular but oh well. You
argue this stuff without any humor, unless there is some subtle humor
you are seeing that is at some pitch that only hummingbirds can hear.
Fine, let's get in a long idiotic argument.

First let's recall that this started with somebody else mentioning
Nixon's involvement in HUAC as a negative point on Nixon.

Regardless of all the weird tangents you've flow off on, that is still
the context of this conversation.

One of the easiest ways to tell that a covnersation has flown off into
the irrational is how quickly the subject changes. When people are
arguing something they can't think clearly about they start throwing
things in that -feel- connected without any attempt to establish if it
is or isn't logically connected. If both sides have gone nuts then
the original topic is quickly forgotten. They run through their
emotional associations quickly until they get to the top of the
ladder, the most emotional association which connects to them in
whatever way with the original topic.

That's what Godwin's law is, really. It doesn't matter where you
start out; arguing about computers, politics, music, frop. YOu could
be arguing about what the best shampoo for dogs is. You always end up
at the same place.

My favorite example so far is when you jumped from a discussion of
Nixon's involvement in the HUAC to talking about how many people "the
communists" murdered.

Is there a -direct- connection between Nixon, HUAC, and blacklists;
adn those murders? No, of course not. Is there an -indirect-
connection? Definitely.

The difference though between rational and irrational is whether you
actually establish that connection. There are certainly ways you
could connect them, some more sensible and some less.

And if you had, you would still be involved in a discussion, rather
than a self-righteous tirade.

But you have worked yourself up beyond that point already. Not only
aren't you trying to establish a connection, your whole point is that
you don't need to; and that I shouldn't need to either. Anything
associated with communism is associated with the slaughters of Stalin,
Mao and Pol Pot (by six degrees of separation or less) so it is the
same whether it is connected in any logical way or not. Nice. You
should try fundamentalist xtianity next; you're almost there.

That was the most interesting one, but going back to the thread
chronologically.

The OP referred to Nixon's involvement in HUAC disparagingly. You
replied with a defence of HUAC, specifically of the blacklist.

In response I told you I could see leaps of logic in what you said,
and asked if you really wanted me to go into it. Because I really
didn't want to get into it but I just can't stand seeing a bunch of
leaps of logic presented as if it meant something.

You then posted six paragraphs in response to, I guess, what you
thought I was saying. I don't know, it was a complete non-sequiter.
Which, again, is why I hate getting into these emotionally-charged
political things. You get reams and reams of "kinda-related" stuff
that doesn't even connect but because the other person isn't thinking
anymore you have to reply to it.

By your next reply it had sunk in that I hadn't actually said anything
yet, which is true. You decided this was because I am a liberal
fanatic, despite that I told you exactly why I didn't respond already.

So getting back, again, to the original point; Nixon, the HUAC, and
the blacklists.

Yes, the HUAC and the FBI got real spies, as the article you linked to
points out.

The KGB were running spies and it is part of the spying game that one
finds them and deports or shoots them.

But then this paragraph:

>BTW, only one of the Hollywood "blacklist" ever
>renounced his communist background. Several admitted
>and maintained proudly that they had been communists
>who had conspired against the US (thus confessing to
>illegal acts), but that they had been *persecuted*,
>because they didn't think that what they did should
>have been illegal.

you have managed to make a number of wild leaps.

>only one of the Hollywood "blacklist" ever
>renounced his communist background

YOu seem to be implying by this that the rest were "unrepentant
communists", or something, I guess. It doesn't follow that the others
-were- communists but that is what you are implying.

In addition, you are implying that the spies; real, KBG spies; and
the 'communists' are interchangeable. That's nonsense. More on that
later.

>Several admitted
>and maintained proudly that they had been communists
>who had conspired against the US

In the previous sentence you are implying that the blacklistees were
all communists (otherwise, as a defence of HUAC, it makes no sense).
But now "several" "admitted" they were communists.

>(thus confessing to
>illegal acts)

Here and later you are using the fact that these acts "were illegal"
as a defence of HUAC.

Of course what HUAC did was legal at the time. What McCarthy did was
legal at the time he did it. What Eichmann did was legal at the time
he did it.

That's how governments work, they -can- make laws in support of what
they want to do. They -have to-.

It's absurd to defend HUAC on the grounds that what they did was
"legal at the time".

It's not even worth mentioning; if the government did it, it's a
tautology that it was legal at the time.


The primary thing that pisses me off about the whole thing, the way it
was done at the time and the defences of it now, is the way anybody
who "was a communist" is equated with real spies and KGB agents.

From the thirties through the sixties (mostly excluding the war years)
a lot of western Europeans and Americans were inpired by the ideal of
communism.

Much like the original ideal of a Republic/Democracy, what inspired
them was the idea of a world where there was no inequality, injustice
or oppression.

They really believed that the Soviets had attained this ideal. They
were wrong, but it wasn't an unrealistic belief, the Soviets presented
themselves that way.

Regardless of whether they were right or wrong though, it was a
perfectly valid political belief.

Supposedly, the whole idea of "liberty" (which, ironically, is always
the first word that those opposed to political freedom use in
defending their excesses) and the whole point of a democracy is that
people are free to form their own political ideas.

But in the HUAC years -being- a communist was a crime.

I agree totally that where people were performing illegal acts they
were rightly punished. But to say, ina democracy, that simply being
a member of a particular political party is a crime is madness and
completely opposed to the supposed idea of liberty.

And that's a part of what HUAC was.

Those ideals, whether people called them "communism" or not, have had
a large effect on the world today, and in many ways for the better.
The modern US government is very much influenced by socialist ideals.
the existence of unions and all forms of public support are part of
that.

I agree with a lot of the criticisms of that socialist side of our
government, but I don't doubt that if it hadn't been for those
influences we would live today in a world where the rich and the poor
were much more sharply and unjustly divided, a world much more like
the world which Marx decried.

I think the OP was right when he said that it was really the liberals
who brought down the Soviets.

Communism was always most popular where the oppression in a country
was worst; where the few ruled the many like medieval lords.

Without that injustice, communism loses much of it's momentum and
popular appeal.

It was -because- the west had selectively co-opted those aspects of
socialism that the voters felt most urgent, that there was no longer
the obvious line where you have oppressed, starving peasants on one
side and communist equality and justice on the other.

The western world was no longer evil enough to give the Soviets their
Emannuel Goldstein.


Which is not really meant to be a pro-communist view. I have never
really been in favor of communism, even when I was growing up and
being pro-communist was the hip thing to do. It was clear enough that
communist states were, in practice, totalitarian. Beyond that, the
collective, communal idea of communism is not appealing to me. It
doesn't inspire in anybody a sense of the grandiose. I disliked
communism on -aesthetic- grounds. for the record I guess.



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Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:52:37 -0700

--------
Zapanaz wrote:
>

You just wrote a hell of a lot, and yet what you
generated in volume was wasted with lame content.
Your arguments are weaker than hell, and vacillate
between insulting, ingratiating, creating false and
insipid axioms and paradoxes, mis-stating what has
been said, and general rambling.

Is that what being a liberal means to you? I have
never equated liberals with "eggheads", and if they
had pretenses, calling themselves "intellectuals",
they were self-appointed, or called so by their
peers. In fact, that is where the derogatory term
of "pseudo-intellectual" came from, popular in the
1960s.

If anything, I think of liberals as being little
different from their forebears, who first supported
the keeping of slaves, which they themselves couldn't
afford, for the most part, but to insure that there
was a class of person lower than they to despise.

After slavery was ended, less by a "Republican" than
by a "classicalist", Lincoln, these ancestors of
liberals became the hate-filled segregationists and
anti-immigrant Klansmen.

Not restricted to the American South, however, in the
North they embraced Calvanism, and began to deplore
the behavior of the southerner, looking instead to
lord it over, and feel good ministering to the needs
of the black. Again seeking the feeling of superiority,
where none existed, they became closer to what the
modern liberal had become.

And yet no matter what minority they embraced as
backward and in need of being controlled and taken care
of, in exchange for fealty, these people eventually
demanded their own individual freedom and success,
which hurt the modern liberal to the bone. Like bad
children who curse their parents, for example, the
NAACP expelled all the white liberals from its ranks.

So once again, liberals have come full circle. Filled
with hate at those they despise as their lessers. And
convinced of their own superiority, even as their house
is burned down around them because of their incompetence.

What is left to them but hate? When their solution to
humiliating defeat is to embrace what caused their
downfall? To radicalize further? It is a path to
madness.

--
"YOU BELONG TO US NOW!"
"GET DOWN WITH MY SICKNESS!!"

--Kino Beman, brand name


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:14:54 GMT

--------

In other news, a new season of "Family Guy" is just around the corner.
I am given to understand that it has very little to do with Nixon.

ITS ABOUT TIME.

--

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Well, dip me in a white wine sauce
and call me PookieBear

Friendship is usually treated by the majority of mankind
as a tough and everlasting thing
which will survive all manner of bad treatment.
But this is an exceedingly great and foolish error;
it may die in an hour of a single unwise word.
- Marie Louise De La Ramee

"Did you mean for all those words
to come together like that
or did they just fall out randomly?
- "King of the Hill"


Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:31:32 -0800

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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> In other news, a new season of "Family Guy" is just around the corner.
> I am given to understand that it has very little to do with Nixon.
>
> ITS ABOUT TIME.
>

I came in late on the new episode they showed after the football game
and missed how the dog became an alien.


Correspondent:: John Starrett
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:21:32 -0700

--------
nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> If anything, I think of liberals as being little
> different from their forebears, who first supported
> the keeping of slaves, which they themselves couldn't
> afford, for the most part, but to insure that there
> was a class of person lower than they to despise.

See, this is how you can tell that he is pulling your chain, Joe. I
wanna see both you guys nude mud wrestling outside my office window at
12:00 noon tomorrow.

John Starrett


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0800

--------
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:21:32 -0700, John Starrett
wrote:

>nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
>
>> If anything, I think of liberals as being little
>> different from their forebears, who first supported
>> the keeping of slaves, which they themselves couldn't
>> afford, for the most part, but to insure that there
>> was a class of person lower than they to despise.
>
>See, this is how you can tell that he is pulling your chain, Joe. I
>wanna see both you guys nude mud wrestling outside my office window at
>12:00 noon tomorrow.
>
>John Starrett

yeah if he's going to pull my chain, at least it should be
entertaining.

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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the
Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the
Universe is winning." - Rich Cook



Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:20:17 -0500

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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0800, Zapanaz wrote:


> yeah if he's going to pull my chain, at least it should be
> entertaining.

To whom?

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Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:41:03 -0800

--------
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:20:17 -0500, Artemia Salina
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0800, Zapanaz wrote:
>
>
>> yeah if he's going to pull my chain, at least it should be
>> entertaining.
>
>To whom?

ME "BOB" DAMMIT

It's MY bob dam usenet

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"It is no measure of health
to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
- Krishnamurti



Correspondent:: John Starrett
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:03:35 -0700

--------
Zapanaz wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:21:32 -0700, John Starrett
> wrote:
>
>
>>nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If anything, I think of liberals as being little
>>>different from their forebears, who first supported
>>>the keeping of slaves, which they themselves couldn't
>>>afford, for the most part, but to insure that there
>>>was a class of person lower than they to despise.
>>
>>See, this is how you can tell that he is pulling your chain, Joe. I
>>wanna see both you guys nude mud wrestling outside my office window at
>>12:00 noon tomorrow.
>>
>>John Starrett
>
>
> yeah if he's going to pull my chain, at least it should be
> entertaining.
>

Like you guys nude mud wrestling outside my office window at
12:00 noon tomorrow. Wear sunscreen.

John Starrett


Correspondent:: John Starrett
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:29:58 -0700

--------
John Starrett wrote:

> Zapanaz wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:21:32 -0700, John Starrett
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If anything, I think of liberals as being little
>>>> different from their forebears, who first supported
>>>> the keeping of slaves, which they themselves couldn't
>>>> afford, for the most part, but to insure that there
>>>> was a class of person lower than they to despise.
>>>
>>>
>>> See, this is how you can tell that he is pulling your chain, Joe. I
>>> wanna see both you guys nude mud wrestling outside my office window
>>> at 12:00 noon tomorrow.
>>>
>>> John Starrett
>>
>>
>>
>> yeah if he's going to pull my chain, at least it should be
>> entertaining.
>>
>
> Like you guys nude mud wrestling outside my office window at
> 12:00 noon tomorrow. Wear sunscreen.


Oops. I wasn't looking. Could you come back about 3:00 on Friday?

John Starrett


Correspondent:: "Kevin Cunningham"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:22:19 GMT

--------

"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
news:42051A33.5FB@succeeds.com...
> Talysman the Ur-Beatle wrote:
>>
>> let's also not forget the red-baiting and
>> his role in HUAC.
>
> Um, they got real communists who had infiltrated
> the government with that one. Perhaps you're
> thinking of the McCarthy Senate hearings. Two
> very different things.
>
> Here's the timeline:
>
> http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/20th/coldwarspies.html
>
> BTW, only one of the Hollywood "blacklist" ever
> renounced his communist background. Several admitted
> and maintained proudly that they had been communists
> who had conspired against the US (thus confessing to
> illegal acts), but that they had been *persecuted*,
> because they didn't think that what they did should
> have been illegal.
>
> This argument rarely works in court for any crime.
>
>
> --
> "By thy works, we shall know ye as
> an asshole."
> --nu-monet

This argument is posited in a series of lies. The HUAC did little or
nothing. There political hard work acomplished nothing of value. Their
best efforts were to elect more Nixons.

As to the extremely odd view that believing in communism makes you a
criminal. I believe in "boB", that doesn't make me a criminal, just smart.
According to the constitution you can believe what you like its your actions
that lead to crime. Most spies for Russia did it for the money, ideolouge
had nothing to do with it.

Face it, communism in America was beaten by the liberals. It was liberals
that drove commies out of unions and liberals like Humphrey who drew a line
in the sand. You right wingers kept behind McCarthy's coat tails. Oh,
McCarthy never caught a commie.

Rev. Dr. Junior Mints
Anti-Pope of Atlanta




Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:46:20 GMT

--------

Nixon's finest hour: as the subject of a meerschaum pipe I once saw,
good and jowly, wit' shifty eyes and 6 o'clock shadow. His commemorative
stamp sold more poorly than that of any other President in history.

--

HellPope Huey
Oh, what a beautiful morning, ya jerks

"So you managed to get here
without having your knickers blown off.
~ Prince Philip, to a farmer's wife
from Northern Ireland
visiting London for a charity event.

"I like it, but of course,
I'm from the underbelly of society."
- "That 70s Show"


Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:16:26 -0500

--------
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:46:20 +0000, HellPope Huey wrote:


> good and jowly, wit' shifty eyes and 6 o'clock shadow. His commemorative

Just like Dan Rather.


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Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:50:26 -0700

--------
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>
> Face it, communism in America was beaten
> by the liberals.

I am truly impressed. As impressed as if you said
that communism in America was beaten by the squirrels.

--
"I'd just like to say I'm sailing with the Rock
and I'll be back like Independence Day with Jesus,
June 6, like the movie, big mothership and all.
I'll be back."
--Executed Serial killer Aileen Wuornos


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:08:01 -0800

--------
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:50:26 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:

>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> Face it, communism in America was beaten
>> by the liberals.
>
>I am truly impressed. As impressed as if you said
>that communism in America was beaten by the squirrels.

He's got a good point.

If you really believe all that shit you have spewed so far about
communists being evil poison-breathing monsters then it wouldn't
surprise me that you can't see the point.


--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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Frankly, nothing you can say will make the slightest difference in my
viewpoint, because I know what a deceptive person you are

- Blue Rajah



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:36:09 -0700

--------
Zapanaz wrote:
>
> If you really believe all that shit you have
> spewed so far about communists being evil
> poison-breathing monsters then it wouldn't
> surprise me that you can't see the point.

Jesus fucking Christ. Those assholes are responsible
for killing from 75-100 million people and you are
defending them? That's some fucked up shit.

And the sickest part about it is that they are still
doing it. Still killing people. Starving millions
and torturing people. I just can't grasp that anyone
would or could defend that.

There is just no excuse for that.

--
"YOU BELONG TO US NOW!"
"GET DOWN WITH MY SICKNESS!!"

--Kino Beman, brand name


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:50:09 GMT

--------
In article <42055869.1D60@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:

> There is just no excuse for that.

I paid $30 for the best excuse I'm likely to ever have, at least that
I'll YOU about.

You two need to get two rooms and each stay in your own room or you'll
end up going all Keith Moon on the place. Get with the program!
Communism is a bore, having essentially fallen on the twin swords of its
own incompetence and utter implausibility when practiced with real
humans. FASCISM is what's fer dinner now.

--

HellPope Huey
Oh, what a beautiful morning, ya jerks

"So you managed to get here
without having your knickers blown off.
~ Prince Philip, to a farmer's wife
from Northern Ireland
visiting London for a charity event.

"I like it, but of course,
I'm from the underbelly of society."
- "That 70s Show"


Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:27:16 -0500

--------

"HellPope Huey" wrote
> In article <42055869.1D60@succeeds.com>,
> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
>
> > There is just no excuse for that.
>
> I paid $30 for the best excuse I'm likely to ever have, at least that
> I'll YOU about.
>
> You two need to get two rooms and each stay in your own room or you'll
> end up going all Keith Moon on the place.

It'll end up just as messy, too. Reminds me of an old story:
http://www.disneyanaexchange.com/Photobin/Ale-Sos.Tar.jpg

Only this one NEVER ENDS.






Correspondent:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 5 Feb 2005 16:50:52 -0800

--------
You say all that. As if. It's a bad thing. You dumbass bitch bastard
whore of an idiot.



Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:41:26 -0800

--------
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:36:09 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:

>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>> If you really believe all that shit you have
>> spewed so far about communists being evil
>> poison-breathing monsters then it wouldn't
>> surprise me that you can't see the point.
>
>Jesus fucking Christ. Those assholes are responsible
>for killing from 75-100 million people and you are
>defending them? That's some fucked up shit.
>
>And the sickest part about it is that they are still
>doing it. Still killing people. Starving millions
>and torturing people. I just can't grasp that anyone
>would or could defend that.
>
>There is just no excuse for that.

Yeah, those Hollywood screenwriters killed at least 75-100 million
people in the fifties. I remember that. They almost had to cancel "I
Love Lucy".


--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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"Programming today is a race between software engineers
striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the
Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the
Universe is winning." - Rich Cook



Correspondent:: quirk@syntac.net
Date: 7 Feb 2005 10:37:04 -0800

--------
Zapanaz wrote:

> Yeah, those Hollywood screenwriters killed at least 75-100 million
> people in the fifties. I remember that. They almost had to cancel
"I
> Love Lucy".

That's right Zapanaz, and remember they have not stopped the killing,
as nu-nazi keeps reminding us, I think "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
at one point organized the ritual executions of hundreds of Fox TV
viewers at a tail-gate party, and that is not even a fraction of the
mortal toll collected by "Everybody Loves Raymond" -- thank Dobbs they
cancelled it before the slaughter got worse.

Anyway, Richard Nixon began the era of fiat money and US Dollar
Hegemony that sent the US on the road to its current trade deficit
crisis, under the weight of which your economy and is currently, and
spectacularly, collapsing, inspiring your ruling elite into desperate
acts of foreign adventurism and dangerous geostrategical games you can
not win in the long run.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:23:23 -0700

--------
quirk@syntac.net wrote:
>
> That's right Zapanaz, and remember they have
> not stopped the killing, as nu-nazi keeps
> reminding us...

Well, since you are such a racist that you don't
care about the North Koreans, or the Cubans or
the Peruvians or the Nepalese who are being
murdered, I don't suppose a little goose stepping
commie fascist like you minds if people darker
than you, or who don't believe in your fucked up
religion, die horribly.

You really are no different than a Taliban, except
you have dreams of genocide far beyond anything
they could imagine.

--
"Military intelligence is sifting
through the destruction..."
-- catchy quote from
The Washington Times


Correspondent:: quirk@syntac.net
Date: 7 Feb 2005 11:37:16 -0800

--------

Does someone smell something?

Has nu-nazi been around?

Anyone seen a creepy little guy with a little mustache sneaking around
here? The smell is unmistakable, like the breath of a slug that has
been living on chicken shit and toilet water. He is usually in a state
of hysteria shouting "commie commie kill kill kill."

If you see him, keep a good distance, and avoid his drool and ever
present urine puddle at all costs.

Should contact occur, immediately contact HellPopeHuey for scrubbing.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:52:16 -0700

--------
quirk@syntac.net wrote:
>

So, who do you hate the worst? Negroes, Jews,
or just everybody in the world who doesn't
believe in your twisted fantasies so you call
them Nazis?

And don't call yourself a Jew. You have no more
right to call yourself that any more than you have
to call yourself an American. Free speech ends
when you advocate genocide or holocaust denial.

--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet


Correspondent:: quirk@syntac.net
Date: 7 Feb 2005 14:58:18 -0800

--------

There's that smell again!

nu-nazi must be lurking around here somewhere!

You really can't miss him, constantly muttering delusional idiocy to
himself. Ocasionaly seig-heiling spazmaticaly. If you try to talk to
him, he'll just respond by foaming at the mouth and confusing what you
said with his own fantasies and bizaare Nazi fetishism, I recomend you
stay clear, since even Huey is now refusing to scrub away possible
contagions. Perhaps nenslo will hose you off from a safe distance.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:51:40 -0700

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quirk@syntac.net wrote:
>

I remember the story about a North Vietnamese
political officer who was captured in a village
where he had killed several people, because they
were in his way, or he just didn't like them.

The Legionnaires who captured him wanted some
information, so they wrapped time fuse around
his leg, ending up with a det cap in his crotch.
It must have been agonizingly painful for the
burning fuse to work its way around his leg,
which he could have stopped at any time by just
admitting to the people that communism was wrong.

Instead, he cursed dialectic at everybody until
his genitalia exploded.

That's the thing about you communists, you can
neither shut the fuck up, or admit that your way
is totally murderous and wrong.

Just like some damn Taliban, or Nazi, or Xtian
fundie, or Thughee. You are a real death-cult
member. Fucked up in the head.

Oh, yeah, and fuck you for calling me a Nazi.
I've lots of relatives who fought the Nazis and
Imperial Japan. Even more who have fought
communists, in both hot and cold wars.

Can you claim that any of your relatives have
done the same?


--
"By thy works, we shall know ye as
an asshole."
--nu-monet


Correspondent:: quirk@syntac.net
Date: 8 Feb 2005 03:47:08 -0800

--------

nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> Oh, yeah, and fuck you for calling me a Nazi.

Unlike you with your endless nonsense, I can justify why I call you a
Nazi.

Each one of these statements and many more Nazi traits of yours can be
proven by citing your own words.

Top 10 reasons why YOU ARE a Nazi.

10- you are motivated by hatred, not by any engagement with actual
arguments or people.

9- your arguments are based upon fallacy and personal
characterizations, unsubstantiated labels you place on others in order
to justify your hatred.

8- your are humourless.

7- you characterize any issue as "us" versus "them," including anyone
you hate in the "them" category and glorifying violence against "their
kind."

6- you question the legitimacy of the belonging of the target of your
hatred based upon your unsubstantiated labeling.

5- you glorify violence against people for expressing their opinions.

4- you ignore what the target of your hatred actually says, you never
cite their arguments, instead you mindlessly spew yet more hatefull
invective.

3- you are constantly trying create unsubstantiated connections
between who are you arguing with and some outside party, for the
purposes of justifying hatred and ignoring the actual arguments
presented.

2- you present a biased and ignorant view of history to justify your
hatred.

1- you endlessly repeat the same defeated arguments over and over
again, only adding more name calling and invective as if increasing
your hatred somehow makes a point.

> I've lots of relatives who fought the Nazis

How ironic then that you should be such a dedicated Nazi coward then,
you must be a great disappointment to them.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:12:48 -0700

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quirk@syntac.net wrote:
>

Oh, and did I say, fuck you, you commie bastard?

I am just one of the billions of people who hate
communists and have, in past, been afraid that
communists were willing to destroy the world,
literally, with nuclear weapons, and have stood
watch against their murdering legions. And WE
have put our very lives on the line to STOP YOU.
WE want nothing to do with your fucked up religion
or its murderous ways.

In that maybe four and a half of the six BILLION
people who live on this planet disavow you and
what you want, we outnumber you. Many of the rest
*would* disavow your fucked up religion, except
their communist government, or some murderous
communist revolutionary, would MURDER them for
doing so.

So, as far as you are concerned, more than TWO
THIRDS of the WORLD must be Nazis.

Either that or you are fucked up in the head beyond
belief. I am convinced that anyone who embraces
communism while living in a free, democratic country,
is mentally ill, utterly ignorant of the world around
them, or brainwashed like a religious cultist, or a
combination of the three.

And brainwashing, by the way, can be entirely
voluntary, which is how I think you became a
communist, seeing it as a magical cure for your
tremendous feeling of inadequacy, self-hatred and
self-deprecation.

All I am doing is validating what you really know about
yourself: that you *are* inadequate, *and* that your
self-hatred is justified, *and* you *should* remind
yourself of what a disgusting piece of filth you are
on a frequent basis.

You will *never*, *EVER*, get what you want. So I
laugh at you. Most of the world itself stands against
you, and each and every day, more and more people rise
up against your philosophy and tear another brick from
your prison walls. Your world does not get stronger,
it crumbles.

You have no part of the future. Just die.

--
Anyone with a gun pointed
at you is the government.
--nu-monet


Correspondent:: quirk@syntac.net
Date: 8 Feb 2005 08:42:16 -0800

--------
Here is nu-nazi blowing a gasket, yet again, in yet another delusional,
idiotic rant remarkable only for its complete lack of any reference to
anything I have ever said, its sheer stupidity, and its devout fascism.

If anybody doubted thus guy was a Nazi, all they need to do is read his
words, "hate hate commie commie your kind kill kill" over and over
again, ad nauseum. No logic. No humour. Just mindless hate.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:35:04 -0700

--------
quirk@syntac.net wrote:
>

Mindless hate is the essence of communism.

All forms of communism.

Their one ritual that works is murder.

--
"He's just screaming out
'Neuter Me!'"
-- some guy about his dog


Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 9 Feb 2005 02:42:30 -0800

--------

Yet another contentless, irrelevant and utterly meaningless
contribution from our village idiot.

...but not in the funny, provocative, madcap, taboo breaking kind of
idiot.

Our village is pretty much populated exclusively by that sort of idiot,
so our village idio, nu-nazi, is just a clueless, humourless,
blathering pink.


nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> quirk@syntac.net wrote:

> Mindless hate is the essence of communism.
>
> All forms of communism.
>
> Their one ritual that works is murder.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:55:18 -0700

--------
Quirk wrote:
>
> Yet another contentless, irrelevant and
> utterly meaningless contribution from our
> village idiot.

"Our", as in, what? A random troll that seeks
"identity" with alt.slack?

> ...but not in the funny, provocative, madcap,
> taboo breaking kind of idiot.

No, but one who joins with 4.5 Billion other
"idiots" in wanting to kick your kind off the
planet.

> Our village is pretty much populated exclusively
> by that sort of idiot, so our village idio,
> nu-nazi, is just a clueless, humourless,
> blathering pink.

And so, of course, you know of the SubGenius doctrine
that those who call others "pink" are clearly ID'ed
as "pink" themselves.

Which would make sense, you pinko.

Which, by the way, refers to a communist such as
yourself. A communist who really, truly needs to
experience life in a workers' paradise some day.


--
"Money can't buy you happiness,
but when you're poor, you can't
buy shit, and nobody will loan
you happiness."
--nu-monet


Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 9 Feb 2005 06:28:10 -0800

--------

Welcome guys and gals, subgenii and other passing derelicts...

LET'S PLAY... SPOT THE NAZI!!

Ok, our contestant today is nu-nazi, recent winner of the international
urinal licking championships.

Here we go!

nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> "Our", as in, what? A random troll that seeks
> "identity" with alt.slack?

Bing bing. Nazi! Trying to question my belonging by way of a
characterization.

> > ...but not in the funny, provocative, madcap,
> > taboo breaking kind of idiot.

> No, but one who joins with 4.5 Billion other
> "idiots" in wanting to kick your kind off the
> planet.

Ding ding. Nazi! Reference to cleansing "my kind" off of the planet.

> And so, of course, you know of the SubGenius doctrine
> that those who call others "pink" are clearly ID'ed
> as "pink" themselves.

Bleep bleep. Nazi! fanaticly sticking to some alleged "doctrine."

Congratulations, you are indeed a Nazi!

Sorry, there is no prize.

Thanks for playing!

Tune in next time when nu-nazi blows a gasket and blathers "die die
commie commie kill kill kill."



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:29:40 -0700

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Quirk wrote:
>

Just like a fucking commie. Or leftists of
other stripes. What would your mother say
if she knew you masturbated while praying to
Adolf Hitler? I bet you fantasize about Hitler
and Stalin having homosexual sex.

You are a Hitler-Jugend running around going
"Hiya! Hitler!" and painting swastikas on
synagogues. And you fucking hate the country
you live in because it hasn't cut your hair
short and treated you in the homoerotic way
you think you deserve.

Well, keep trying, little Nazi. Murderous,
commie Nazi.


--
"He's just screaming out
'Neuter Me!'"
-- some guy about his dog


Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 9 Feb 2005 07:43:50 -0800

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Way to go nu-nazi, your fascist blather delivered as advertised and
exactly according to the script! And in record time!

And going well beyond the call of duty by sharing your homoerotic
fantasies with us along with your normal demented sputtering! Your
infinite generosity in making a pathetic ass of yourself is noted and
appreciated by all. Bravo!

Keep up the good work. Now tell me how much you hate me and how you
wish that I would just die, along with the rest of "my kind." That's so
clever and amusing, the entire newsgroup just can't get enough of it!



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:58:49 -0700

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Quirk wrote:
>

blah, blah. More commie-Nazi spew from a
sick, sick individual.

I haven't bothered with your last 20 posts,
no reason to read any of the rest.

--
"He's just screaming out
'Neuter Me!'"
-- some guy about his dog


Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 9 Feb 2005 08:13:30 -0800

--------


Your self reflection is admirable. However this is your most
minimalistic contribution to date.

Show, don't tell, nu-nazi. Show, don't tell.

Just writing "More Nazi spew from a sick individual" as a place holder
is not nearly as entertaining as when you demonstate what a sick
individual you are by actually spelling out the Nazi spew you are
famous for. Don't worry about endlesssly repeating yourself with the
same defeated rubbish, after all you have been repeating yourself this
long, why start worrying now?

nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> I haven't bothered with your last 20 posts,
> no reason to read any of the rest.

Good nu-nazi, no need for you to read them, since you are unlikely to
comprehend them and since your hate is self-generated and unrelated to
anything I have actually said.

No nu-nazi, you are not expected to read any of my posts, so long as
you do not neglect to respond to every single post I make with some
creepy, embarrassing, idiotic blather, that is all I can expect from
you.

You haven't let me down yet.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:53:41 -0700

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Quirk wrote:
>

Once again, the wormy-worm advocate of genocide
declares victory despite losing every damn fight
his kind have ever fought, except when those they
fought were harmless and helpless.

Yep, communists just love to kill women and children,
but are snivelling cowards when they try their
fascism on people who stand up and kick the snot out
of them.

I have met SO MANY ASSHOLES JUST LIKE YOU. They all
do NOTHING but SPEW DIALECTIC and curse their betters.

Which is damn near EVERYONE else. Communists deserve
what they do to others. They deserve being thrown
into the mass graves they dig for others. They deserve
being purged, being made "citizens", being forced to
present ID cards to every secret policeman they made.

They deserve to be tortured in basements by other
communist murderers. To be put in communist gulags
and communist re-education camps. And their families
should be forced to pay a few pennies for the bullet
when they are shot by a communist firing squad.

They, and I mean YOU, deserve to be put in communist
forced labor camps. Planting rice while being starved
and digging uranium ore with your bare hands, all at
the gunpoint of your FELLOW COMMUNISTS.

Oh, FUCK YEAH "venture communism" is different. As
different as a death camp in Cambodia is from a death
camp in China from a death camp in Russia from a death
camp in Czechoslovakia from Treblinka from Dachau from
every death camp ever made BY YOUR KIND.

Unlike the typical American who has never seen the horror
of what people like you do--I have.

Which is again why I hope you die of cancer, and are torn
apart by dogs.

--
"He's just screaming out
'Neuter Me!'"
-- some guy about his dog


Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 9 Feb 2005 10:42:08 -0800

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That's it Nu-nazi!

That's the sort of demented, idiotic, creepy and embarrassing rant I
was hoping for. Much better than your last effort.

This one has it all, complete detachment from anything external to your
blind hatred, idiotic glee in attacking straw men that only exist in
your imagination, lots of grizzly, sicko death wishes and
glorifications of violence that perfectly demonstrate your sniveling
cowardice and commitment to fascism. Bravo! That's our idiot!

Well done. Your obedience to my every command is much appreciated.

Ok, nu-nazi, now another! More! Now! Obey me!

Since your moronic and hysterical drivel makes even my least inspired
contributions seem magnificent in comparison, if I can only get you to
follow up every post I ever write, forever, I will look FUCKING
BRILLIANT. And every SubGenii will be seduced into believing my every
word, in fact there is no doubt that with your help, Venture Communism
will become the official investment strategy of the Church and DOBBS
HIMSELF will sanctify it.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

My plan is perfect, I have no idea why Nenslo let this opportunity pass
him by.



Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:55:30 -0700

--------
Quirk wrote:
>

You are a filthy communist-Nazi and a ghoul.

Stop endorsing genocide. Admit the Holocaust.


--
"He's just screaming out
'Neuter Me!'"
-- some guy about his dog


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:15:31 GMT

--------

Nazis are so passe. Revitalized Facism is where the hip kids go now.
Get a business degree and get to swingin' with the new Triple-Shit
Generation. Jackboots are precious and all that, but a bearer bond,
summons or foreclosure are far more potent.

"There's a pile of dinosaur eggs, youngster. Now get sucking."
- Alan Moore in "V For Vendetta"

--

HellPope Huey
Searching for my inner Bastard
or my name isn't Sphinkler Bumcrot

If we are forced, at every hour,
to watch or listen to horrible events,
this constant stream of ghastly impressions
will deprive even the most delicate among us
of all respect for humanity.
- Cicero

Exit, pursued by a bear.
-William Shakespeare,
Stage direction in "The Winter's Tale"


Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 10 Feb 2005 04:57:21 -0800

--------

I think its time we moved on in our experiment, while making nu-nazi
jump through hoops like a trained dog has been great fun and all, he's
such a stupid mutt, perhaps we may want to take a closer look, after
all, we don't see a specimen quite as demented as this everyday.

The is an opportunity to make a contribution to the great science of
idiotology.

So, my fellow great men and women of the arts and sciences, let us
investigate, I present to you nu-nazi.

We find him here, as usual, talking to himself since one of his
remarkable forms of dementia is the inability to understand than not
everybody around him shares his views. He is consumed with hatred, so
he assumes that all around him are too. He is dedicated to fascism, so
he assumes all around him are too.

First, I will engage him in some polite conversation, then ask him some
questions, in the interest of research.

nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> Stop endorsing genocide.

Good nu-nu! Yes, endorsing genocide is wrong. Very good!

Now, relax, relieve yourself in your pants as you normally do, and
listen carefully: When you group people together in blanket
generalizations, and then glorify their exclusion, torture and murder,
what you are endorsing is genocide. This is a primary characteristic of
fascism. In fact the label, "communist," you seem to use in exactly the
same way that Hitler did, to mean anybody who criticizes the right of
the elite to subjugate an underclass.

> Admit the Holocaust.

Good nu-nu! That's right! It was people who held exactly the same
beliefs that you hold that perpetuated this great crime against
humanity we call "the holocaust," in which members of my family where
displaced and murdered.

The methods of the murderers where exactly the same as yours, using
hatefull rhetoric and criminalizing beliefs, justifying hatred of
people based on arbitrary characterizations, their favourite, like
yours, was "communist."

Hitler loved to portray his enemies as "communists," which he believed
was indistinguishable from jewishness, in fact he frequently used the
term "judeo-communists" in denouncing the targets of his Hatred.

But enough of this, we have already firmly established your devotion to
Fascism, and the fact that you are indistinguishable from Hitler, now
it's time to move on.

nu-nu, since like your idol Adolf Hitler, you image yourself a great
believer in (so-called) "freedom" and love to explain the superiority
of your nation,
I have two questions for you, regarding the state of freedom in
America.

Since America is the "land of the free," why does the USA have the
highest per-capita prison population in the world? One that is three
times higher than the so-called "axis of evil" countries.

And While there is no doubt that African-Americans have made great
contributions to the wealth of America, why is it that despite making
up only 13% of the Population, they represent over 65% of those
admitted to state prisons?

Do you see a problem here? A systemicly racist police state perhaps?



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT

--------
quirk wrote:
>
>I think its time we moved on in our experiment, while making nu-nazi
>jump through hoops like a trained dog has been great fun and all, he's
>such a stupid mutt, perhaps we may want to take a closer look, after
>all, we don't see a specimen quite as demented as this everyday.
>
>The is an opportunity to make a contribution to the great science of
>idiotology.
>
>So, my fellow great men and women of the arts and sciences, let us
>investigate, I present to you nu-nazi.
>
>We find him here, as usual, talking to himself since one of his
>remarkable forms of dementia is the inability to understand than not
>everybody around him shares his views. He is consumed with hatred, so
>he assumes that all around him are too. He is dedicated to fascism, so
>he assumes all around him are too.
>
>First, I will engage him in some polite conversation, then ask him some
>questions, in the interest of research.
>
>nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
>
>> Stop endorsing genocide.
>
>Good nu-nu! Yes, endorsing genocide is wrong. Very good!
>
>Now, relax, relieve yourself in your pants as you normally do, and
>listen carefully: When you group people together in blanket
>generalizations, and then glorify their exclusion, torture and murder,
>what you are endorsing is genocide. This is a primary characteristic of
>fascism. In fact the label, "communist," you seem to use in exactly the
>same way that Hitler did, to mean anybody who criticizes the right of
>the elite to subjugate an underclass.
>
>> Admit the Holocaust.
>
>Good nu-nu! That's right! It was people who held exactly the same
>beliefs that you hold that perpetuated this great crime against
>humanity we call "the holocaust," in which members of my family where
>displaced and murdered.
>
>The methods of the murderers where exactly the same as yours, using
>hatefull rhetoric and criminalizing beliefs, justifying hatred of
>people based on arbitrary characterizations, their favourite, like
>yours, was "communist."
>
>Hitler loved to portray his enemies as "communists," which he believed
>was indistinguishable from jewishness, in fact he frequently used the
>term "judeo-communists" in denouncing the targets of his Hatred.
>
>But enough of this, we have already firmly established your devotion to
>Fascism, and the fact that you are indistinguishable from Hitler, now
>it's time to move on.
>
>nu-nu, since like your idol Adolf Hitler, you image yourself a great
>believer in (so-called) "freedom" and love to explain the superiority
>of your nation,
>I have two questions for you, regarding the state of freedom in
>America.
>
>Since America is the "land of the free," why does the USA have the
>highest per-capita prison population in the world? One that is three
>times higher than the so-called "axis of evil" countries.
>
>And While there is no doubt that African-Americans have made great
>contributions to the wealth of America, why is it that despite making
>up only 13% of the Population, they represent over 65% of those
>admitted to state prisons?
>
>Do you see a problem here? A systemicly racist police state perhaps?
>

I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,
but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?
If I hear any more about "women and minorities" or "women and
people of 'color'" I'm going to kick all y'all asses and cut yo' face
pimp-style with a staight razor to remind yo' who's de bitch 'roud here!


88!





Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 10 Feb 2005 05:53:13 -0800

--------

König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:

> Thus, Blacks are 10x's more likely to commit murder than Whites.
Who's the > bad guy?

A couple of follow-up questions.

Why do you think it is, do you believe that Blacks have a racial
predisposition to murder? What percentage of the victims are Black? Why
is it that in 1926 Blacks only made up 21% of the prison population?

You are an econometricist, could you give me the statics correlated
against poverty, instead of Race, and see if it corresponds better with
historical and international regressions?

You've read some Proudhon, you should understand how private ownership
of land makes poverty hereditary.

One out of every 142 Americans is in prison - and this does not include
military prisons or INS jails.

Some "land of the free."

It is, as I said, a systematicly racist police state. Open your eyes.

> If I hear any more about "women and minorities" or "women and
> people of 'color'" I'm going to kick all y'all asses and cut yo' face
> pimp-style with a staight razor to remind yo' who's de bitch 'roud
here!

Ok, König, after you die trying to cut someone with your straight
razor, can I have it? I could use a nice clean shave.

Regards.



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:09:08 GMT

--------
"Quirk" wrote:
>
>König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
>
>> Thus, Blacks are 10x's more likely to commit murder than Whites.
>Who's the > bad guy?
>
>A couple of follow-up questions.
>
>Why do you think it is, do you believe that Blacks have a racial
>predisposition to murder? What percentage of the victims are Black? Why
>is it that in 1926 Blacks only made up 21% of the prison population?
>
>You are an econometricist, could you give me the statics correlated
>against poverty, instead of Race, and see if it corresponds better with
>historical and international regressions?
>
>You've read some Proudhon, you should understand how private ownership
>of land makes poverty hereditary.
>
>One out of every 142 Americans is in prison - and this does not include
>military prisons or INS jails.
>
>Some "land of the free."
>
>It is, as I said, a systematicly racist police state. Open your eyes.
>
>> If I hear any more about "women and minorities" or "women and
>> people of 'color'" I'm going to kick all y'all asses and cut yo' face
>> pimp-style with a staight razor to remind yo' who's de bitch 'roud
>here!
>
>Ok, König, after you die trying to cut someone with your straight
>razor, can I have it? I could use a nice clean shave.
>
>Regards.
>

Look, nigger behave badly.
I don't care why. It's not my job to fix it.
Jooz, 92% of them live in the world's top five
economies, what up wit dat? Like the gelt, do ya?

Show me da bling-bling!


Fucking parasitic assholes, I'll get it back if I have to
pull it out of your dead granny's teeth.

88!



Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 10 Feb 2005 06:45:21 -0800

--------
König wrote:

> Look, nigger behave badly.

So, why bother to look deeper, just lock them all up, or perhaps you
would prefer they where all killed?

You might call it the American holocaust, only that already happened
against the natives, so it would have to be the American Holocaust, the
sequel: Final Solution to the Slave problem.

> I don't care why. It's not my job to fix it.

Then why participate in this discussion? Just to express racist views
and then shrug away criticism?

> Jooz, 92% of them live in the world's top five
> economies, what up wit dat? Like the gelt, do ya?

Could the lack of a genocide against them in those top five economies
have something to do with it?

Before WWII what percentage of Jews lived in poor countires like Poland
and the Ukraine?

> Show me da bling-bling!

I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the most
dynamic and influential one on the planet.

So much that even the language of racists is influenced by it.

> Fucking parasitic assholes, I'll get it back if I have to
> pull it out of your dead granny's teeth.

I'm sorry to see you are racist.

Thanks for the econometrics links anyway though. Too bad you seem
unable to learn from the data you have.



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:12:42 GMT

--------
"Quirk" wrote:
>König wrote:
>
>> Look, nigger behave badly.
>
>So, why bother to look deeper, just lock them all up, or perhaps you
>would prefer they where all killed?
>
>You might call it the American holocaust, only that already happened
>against the natives, so it would have to be the American Holocaust, the
>sequel: Final Solution to the Slave problem.
>
>> I don't care why. It's not my job to fix it.
>
>Then why participate in this discussion? Just to express racist views
>and then shrug away criticism?
>
>> Jooz, 92% of them live in the world's top five
>> economies, what up wit dat? Like the gelt, do ya?
>
>Could the lack of a genocide against them in those top five economies
>have something to do with it?
>
>Before WWII what percentage of Jews lived in poor countires like Poland
>and the Ukraine?
>
>> Show me da bling-bling!
>
>I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the most
>dynamic and influential one on the planet.
>
>So much that even the language of racists is influenced by it.
>
>> Fucking parasitic assholes, I'll get it back if I have to
>> pull it out of your dead granny's teeth.
>
>I'm sorry to see you are racist.
>
>Thanks for the econometrics links anyway though. Too bad you seem
>unable to learn from the data you have.
>

You want my razor AFTER I've used it?
What an anal retentive Joo puke you are!
You should get an infection in your genitals!
I hope your girl children are all shiksas to get
butt-plugged by schvartzes! Feh!

Go get your own Kesher razoor! Ya fucking joo moron.
Go circumcise a pig for your precious Jesus!
Feh! Eat chittlin's and die!

Hey! You know they moved the German government
back to Berlin? What day? Right before Hitler's birthday!
Right under your big Jew nose! Eat poop, and die, Jüde!

(Disclaimer: Yids! Don't try this at home!)










Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 10 Feb 2005 08:35:13 -0800

--------

Look Doris! Another Nazi!

Amazing what you find creeping around.

Thanks for spelling it out so clearly for everyone, König.

Now I know why you are not welcome here in the faterland, they drove
you and your friends out. Now you're America's problem, I pity them.

Anybody else want to out themselves?

It seems like idiot Nazi pride day here in alt.slack.

I guess when you have as little to be thankfull for in life as these
guys, some hollow feeling of "racial superiority" is all you got.

Now, tell me again what you think should be done with Jews and Blacks?

Anybody else?

If I keep drawing the pinks out of the woodwork like this, I'm sure
I'll win the SubGenii of the year award and not only will Venture
Communism be adopted as our official investment strategy, but DOBBS
HIMSELF will reveal that he is both black, and a jew. Like Madonna.
Only with a pipe. And better music.



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:23:12 GMT

--------
"Quirk" wrote:
>
>Look Doris! Another Nazi!
>
>Amazing what you find creeping around.
>
>Thanks for spelling it out so clearly for everyone, König.
>
>Now I know why you are not welcome here in the faterland, they drove
>you and your friends out. Now you're America's problem, I pity them.
>
>Anybody else want to out themselves?
>
>It seems like idiot Nazi pride day here in alt.slack.
>
>I guess when you have as little to be thankfull for in life as these
>guys, some hollow feeling of "racial superiority" is all you got.
>
>Now, tell me again what you think should be done with Jews and Blacks?
>
>Anybody else?
>
>If I keep drawing the pinks out of the woodwork like this, I'm sure
>I'll win the SubGenii of the year award and not only will Venture
>Communism be adopted as our official investment strategy, but DOBBS
>HIMSELF will reveal that he is both black, and a jew. Like Madonna.
>Only with a pipe. And better music.
>

Oy, Shlomo! Let's start a kibbutz in your pants!




Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:29:36 GMT

--------
"Quirk" wrote:
>König wrote:
>
>> Look, nigger behave badly.
>
>So, why bother to look deeper, just lock them all up, or perhaps you
>would prefer they where all killed?
>
>You might call it the American holocaust, only that already happened
>against the natives, so it would have to be the American Holocaust, the
>sequel: Final Solution to the Slave problem.
>
>> I don't care why. It's not my job to fix it.
>
>Then why participate in this discussion? Just to express racist views
>and then shrug away criticism?
>
>> Jooz, 92% of them live in the world's top five
>> economies, what up wit dat? Like the gelt, do ya?
>
>Could the lack of a genocide against them in those top five economies
>have something to do with it?
>
>Before WWII what percentage of Jews lived in poor countires like Poland
>and the Ukraine?
>
>> Show me da bling-bling!
>
>I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the most
>dynamic and influential one on the planet.
>

Where do you get that???
50 million schvartes a year are dying between famine, AIDS, and war,
and that's not fast enough for me! Dynamic? Moron! Where is their
ag and industrial base? They like loud music and bright colors.
They are genetically/culturally primitive.

What, you got a case of "Jungle Fever?"

Fine. OK. Noted.

My sociology text notes that the schvartzes are an underclass.
Not the dominant class. Dynamic? Sheesh! The tail don't wag
the dog. Nigger all goin' off about gettin' shot by the cops; shit!
They yell stop! you stop! or yo' dead nigger! Yo' got a prob wit dat?

Oh, my baby boy was dealin' drugs out of a stolen car and when
the cops said Yo! he tried to run over them so they shot his nappy
Sulphur-8 stinkin' ass! Oh, the humanity! Wo bist the social justice!

It's up yo' LA Joo-boy ass!

Nyuk, nyuk!






Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 10 Feb 2005 08:39:04 -0800

--------

Congratulations. You win the creepiest scumbag award!

Yikes. Your life must be really pathetic to harbour so much hate
towards your obvious superiors.

Nazi schweine.



Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:41:37 -0500

--------
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:45:21 -0800, Quirk wrote:


> I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the most
> dynamic and influential one on the planet.

And a longstanding culture, too.

"32-20 Blues" by Robert Johnson (~1938)

©(1978) 1990, 1991 Lehsem II, LLC/Claud L. Johnson
Administered by Music & Media International, Inc.

If I send for my baby
and she don't come
If I send for my baby
man, and she don't come
All the doctors in Hot Springs
sure can't help her none

And if she gets unruly
thinks she don't wan do
If she gets unruly
thinks she don't wan do
Take my 32-20 now and
cut her half in two

She got a 38 special but I believe its much too light
She got a 38 special but I believe its much too light
I got a 32-20, got to make the camps alright

If I send for my baby
and she don't come
If I send for my baby
man, and she don't come
All the doctors in Hot Springs
sure can't help her none

I'm gonna shoot my pistol, gonna shoot my Gatlin gun
I'm gonna shoot my pistol, gonna shoot my Gatlin gun
You made me love you
now your man has come

Ah-oh
baby where you stay last night
Ah-ah
baby where you stayed last night
You got your hair all tangled
and you ain't talkin right
Got a 38 special boys, it do very well



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Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 10 Feb 2005 11:15:48 -0800

--------

Artemia Salina wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:45:21 -0800, Quirk wrote:

> > I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the
most
> > dynamic and influential one on the planet.

> And a longstanding culture, too.

> "32-20 Blues" by Robert Johnson (~1938)

What is it you are trying suggest here Artemia?

Do you believe that Blacks are inherently violent? Sorry, if that's not
what you mean, please spell it out.

I mean, I love senseless SubGenii blathering as much as the next guy.
But sorry, I just don't find racism too funny.




Mississippi Goddam
Nina Simone, 1963

The name of this tune is Mississippi Goddam
And I mean every word of it

Alabama's gotten me so upset
Tennessee made me lose my rest
And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam

Alabama's gotten me so upset
Tennessee made me lose my rest
And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam

Can't you see it
Can't you feel it
It's all in the air
I can't stand the pressure much longer
Somebody say a prayer

Alabama's gotten me so upset
Tennessee made me lose my rest
And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam

This is a show tune
But the show hasn't been written for it, yet

Hound dogs on my trail
School children sitting in jail
Black cat cross my path
I think every day's gonna be my last

Lord have mercy on this land of mine
We all gonna get it in due time
I don't belong here
I don't belong there
I've even stopped believing in prayer

Don't tell me
I tell you
Me and my people just about due
I've been there so I know
They keep on saying "Go slow!"

But that's just the trouble
"do it slow"
Washing the windows
"do it slow"
Picking the cotton
"do it slow"
You're just plain rotten
"do it slow"
You're too damn lazy
"do it slow"
The thinking's crazy
"do it slow"
Where am I going
What am I doing
I don't know
I don't know

Just try to do your very best
Stand up be counted with all the rest
For everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam

I made you thought I was kiddin'

Picket lines
School boy cots
They try to say it's a communist plot
All I want is equality
for my sister my brother my people and me

Yes you lied to me all these years
You told me to wash and clean my ears
And talk real fine just like a lady
And you'd stop calling me Sister Sadie

Oh but this whole country is full of lies
You're all gonna die and die like flies
I don't trust you any more
You keep on saying "Go slow!"
"Go slow!"

But that's just the trouble
"do it slow"
Desegregation
"do it slow"
Mass participation
"do it slow"
Reunification
"do it slow"
Do things gradually
"do it slow"
But bring more tragedy
"do it slow"
Why don't you see it
Why don't you feel it
I don't know
I don't know

You don't have to live next to me
Just give me my equality
Everybody knows about Mississippi
Everybody knows about Alabama
Everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam

That's it!



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:34:25 GMT

--------
"Quirk" wrote:
>
>Artemia Salina wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:45:21 -0800, Quirk wrote:
>
>> > I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the
>most
>> > dynamic and influential one on the planet.
>
>> And a longstanding culture, too.
>
>> "32-20 Blues" by Robert Johnson (~1938)
>
>What is it you are trying suggest here Artemia?
>
>Do you believe that Blacks are inherently violent? Sorry, if that's not
>what you mean, please spell it out.
>
>I mean, I love senseless SubGenii blathering as much as the next guy.
>But sorry, I just don't find racism too funny.
>
>
>
>
>Mississippi Goddam
>Nina Simone, 1963
>
>The name of this tune is Mississippi Goddam
>And I mean every word of it
>
>Alabama's gotten me so upset
>Tennessee made me lose my rest
>And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam
>
>Alabama's gotten me so upset
>Tennessee made me lose my rest
>And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam
>
>Can't you see it
>Can't you feel it
>It's all in the air
>I can't stand the pressure much longer
>Somebody say a prayer
>
>Alabama's gotten me so upset
>Tennessee made me lose my rest
>And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam
>
>This is a show tune
>But the show hasn't been written for it, yet
>
>Hound dogs on my trail
>School children sitting in jail
>Black cat cross my path
>I think every day's gonna be my last
>
>Lord have mercy on this land of mine
>We all gonna get it in due time
>I don't belong here
>I don't belong there
>I've even stopped believing in prayer
>
>Don't tell me
>I tell you
>Me and my people just about due
>I've been there so I know
>They keep on saying "Go slow!"
>
>But that's just the trouble
>"do it slow"
>Washing the windows
>"do it slow"
>Picking the cotton
>"do it slow"
>You're just plain rotten
>"do it slow"
>You're too damn lazy
>"do it slow"
>The thinking's crazy
>"do it slow"
>Where am I going
>What am I doing
>I don't know
>I don't know
>
>Just try to do your very best
>Stand up be counted with all the rest
>For everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam
>
>I made you thought I was kiddin'
>
>Picket lines
>School boy cots
>They try to say it's a communist plot
>All I want is equality
>for my sister my brother my people and me
>
>Yes you lied to me all these years
>You told me to wash and clean my ears
>And talk real fine just like a lady
>And you'd stop calling me Sister Sadie
>
>Oh but this whole country is full of lies
>You're all gonna die and die like flies
>I don't trust you any more
>You keep on saying "Go slow!"
>"Go slow!"
>
>But that's just the trouble
>"do it slow"
>Desegregation
>"do it slow"
>Mass participation
>"do it slow"
>Reunification
>"do it slow"
>Do things gradually
>"do it slow"
>But bring more tragedy
>"do it slow"
>Why don't you see it
>Why don't you feel it
>I don't know
>I don't know
>
>You don't have to live next to me
>Just give me my equality
>Everybody knows about Mississippi
>Everybody knows about Alabama
>Everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam
>
>That's it!
>

Cut the crap! The onliest gawdam cotton you ever picked
was out of an aspirin bottle.



Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:25:18 -0500

--------
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:15:48 -0800, Quirk wrote:

>
> Artemia Salina wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:45:21 -0800, Quirk wrote:
>
>> > I'm glad you acknowledge that the african-american culture is the
> most
>> > dynamic and influential one on the planet.
>
>> And a longstanding culture, too.
>
>> "32-20 Blues" by Robert Johnson (~1938)
>
> What is it you are trying suggest here Artemia?

Anything that'll make your butt hole slam shut with righteous
indignation like a #4 double long spring leg-hold trap, because
I like the funny snapping sound it makes.

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Correspondent:: "Quirk"
Date: 11 Feb 2005 05:23:25 -0800

--------

Please keep up the posturing, it makes it so obvious how much I've hurt
your poor little feelings by making a fool of you and your beloved
nu-nazi.

You guys are now positively obsessed with me, not an hour goes by with
your some shrill, desperate cry for my attention from one of you. PAY
ATTENTION TO ME QUIRK! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!! Over and over again. It's
like some kind of twisted grade school crush.

Face it, you posted trash, you got embarrassed, now you just keep
throwing every lump of shit you have at the wall hoping something will
stick. It wont. Every comment in our thread can be read by all, it is
painfully obvious neither of you ever had a point and never really
tried to make a point.

I'm sorry you are such a sore sport. Now get over it and move on.



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:19:32 GMT

--------
"Quirk" wrote:
>
>Please keep up the posturing, it makes it so obvious how much I've hurt
>your poor little feelings by making a fool of you and your beloved
>nu-nazi.
>
>You guys are now positively obsessed with me, not an hour goes by with
>your some shrill, desperate cry for my attention from one of you. PAY
>ATTENTION TO ME QUIRK! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!! Over and over again. It's
>like some kind of twisted grade school crush.
>
>Face it, you posted trash, you got embarrassed, now you just keep
>throwing every lump of shit you have at the wall hoping something will
>stick. It wont. Every comment in our thread can be read by all, it is
>painfully obvious neither of you ever had a point and never really
>tried to make a point.
>
>I'm sorry you are such a sore sport. Now get over it and move on.
>

Well, today I'm back to believing that most economic theory/philosophy
is a load of crap, some fancy-dancing to obfuscate the issues, and mostly
a reason why you get all of the beans and I don't get any beans.

So, right after we take take W. Shakespeare's sage advice to
"first, kill all of the lawyers," we should then kill all of the economists
and bean-counters.

Then, trade the beans for a cow, preferably a cash cow.




Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:48:13 -0600

--------
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:19:32 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
wrote:


> Well, today I'm back to believing that most economic theory/philosophy
>is a load of crap, some fancy-dancing to obfuscate the issues, and mostly
>a reason why you get all of the beans and I don't get any beans.
>
> So, right after we take take W. Shakespeare's sage advice to
>"first, kill all of the lawyers," we should then kill all of the economists
>and bean-counters.
>
> Then, trade the beans for a cow, preferably a cash cow.
>

Voodoo Economics rulez


Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:08:20 -0500

--------
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:23:25 -0800, Quirk wrote:

>
> Please keep up the posturing, it makes it so obvious how much I've hurt
> your poor little feelings by making a fool of you and your beloved
> nu-nazi.
>
> You guys are now positively obsessed with me, not an hour goes by with
> your some shrill, desperate cry for my attention from one of you. PAY
> ATTENTION TO ME QUIRK! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!! Over and over again. It's
> like some kind of twisted grade school crush.
>
> Face it, you posted trash, you got embarrassed, now you just keep
> throwing every lump of shit you have at the wall hoping something will
> stick. It wont. Every comment in our thread can be read by all, it is
> painfully obvious neither of you ever had a point and never really
> tried to make a point.
>
> I'm sorry you are such a sore sport. Now get over it and move on.

I typically write one or two sentence comments and you typically respond
to them with three or more paragraphs of blather. Seems to me that you
are the one clamoring for attention.

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Correspondent:: royls@telus.net
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:02:17 GMT

--------
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
wrote:

> I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,

Because you don't want to know the "why" of it. Right.

>but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
>but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
>more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?

Maybe the bad guy are the facts that

1) land ownership is extravagantly subsidized, to the tune of about
20% of GDP (i.e., about as much money is given to landowners for doing
nothing each year as is spent in the entire federal budget),

2) African-Americans were in most jurisdictions forbidden to own land
until after all the good land was made the private property of whites,
so while African-Americans are 12% of the US population, they
currently own only about 1% of the total land value,

3) landowner privilege thus effectively makes black poverty
hereditary,

4) unless a black American male possesses a 1-in-1000 talent in
sports, entertainment, etc., his principal route out of poverty will
be by selling illegal drugs, in which which profession,

5) he will be spending most of his professional effort fighting
violent turf wars with other black drug dealers, which turf wars
account for the great majority of US murders.

-- Roy L


Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:01 GMT

--------
royls wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,
>
>Because you don't want to know the "why" of it. Right.
>
>>but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
>>but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
>>more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?
>
>Maybe the bad guy are the facts that
>
>1) land ownership is extravagantly subsidized, to the tune of about
>20% of GDP (i.e., about as much money is given to landowners for doing
>nothing each year as is spent in the entire federal budget),
>
>2) African-Americans were in most jurisdictions forbidden to own land
>until after all the good land was made the private property of whites,
>so while African-Americans are 12% of the US population, they
>currently own only about 1% of the total land value,
>
>3) landowner privilege thus effectively makes black poverty
>hereditary,
>
>4) unless a black American male possesses a 1-in-1000 talent in
>sports, entertainment, etc., his principal route out of poverty will
>be by selling illegal drugs, in which which profession,
>
>5) he will be spending most of his professional effort fighting
>violent turf wars with other black drug dealers, which turf wars
>account for the great majority of US murders.
>
>-- Roy L

Yep, 999 out a thousand schvartzes are professional dope dealers.

Even I am not that racist.

Where da White wimmin at? Over at Cosby's house?

Yo, y'all!






Correspondent:: royls@telus.net
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:17:27 GMT

--------
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:01 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
wrote:

>royls wrote:
>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,
>>
>>Because you don't want to know the "why" of it. Right.
>>
>>>but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
>>>but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
>>>more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?
>>
>>Maybe the bad guy are the facts that
>>
>>1) land ownership is extravagantly subsidized, to the tune of about
>>20% of GDP (i.e., about as much money is given to landowners for doing
>>nothing each year as is spent in the entire federal budget),
>>
>>2) African-Americans were in most jurisdictions forbidden to own land
>>until after all the good land was made the private property of whites,
>>so while African-Americans are 12% of the US population, they
>>currently own only about 1% of the total land value,
>>
>>3) landowner privilege thus effectively makes black poverty
>>hereditary,
>>
>>4) unless a black American male possesses a 1-in-1000 talent in
>>sports, entertainment, etc., his principal route out of poverty will
>>be by selling illegal drugs, in which which profession,
>>
>>5) he will be spending most of his professional effort fighting
>>violent turf wars with other black drug dealers, which turf wars
>>account for the great majority of US murders.
>>
>>-- Roy L
>
> Yep, 999 out a thousand schvartzes are professional dope dealers.
>
> Even I am not that racist.

Too bad you are that stupid.

-- Roy L


Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:34:24 GMT

--------
royls@telus.net wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:01 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> wrote:
>
>>royls wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,
>>>
>>>Because you don't want to know the "why" of it. Right.
>>>
>>>>but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
>>>>but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
>>>>more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?
>>>
>>>Maybe the bad guy are the facts that
>>>
>>>1) land ownership is extravagantly subsidized, to the tune of about
>>>20% of GDP (i.e., about as much money is given to landowners for doing
>>>nothing each year as is spent in the entire federal budget),
>>>
>>>2) African-Americans were in most jurisdictions forbidden to own land
>>>until after all the good land was made the private property of whites,
>>>so while African-Americans are 12% of the US population, they
>>>currently own only about 1% of the total land value,
>>>
>>>3) landowner privilege thus effectively makes black poverty
>>>hereditary,
>>>
>>>4) unless a black American male possesses a 1-in-1000 talent in
>>>sports, entertainment, etc., his principal route out of poverty will
>>>be by selling illegal drugs, in which which profession,
>>>
>>>5) he will be spending most of his professional effort fighting
>>>violent turf wars with other black drug dealers, which turf wars
>>>account for the great majority of US murders.
>>>
>>>-- Roy L
>>
>> Yep, 999 out a thousand schvartzes are professional dope dealers.
>>
>> Even I am not that racist.
>
>Too bad you are that stupid.
>
>-- Roy L

If I was stupid, I'd think that the only choice schvartzes got is to be
sooper-stars or pro-dope dealers. Is a lot of your econ theory based
on drug dealing and pro-sports?






Correspondent:: royls@telus.net
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:25:34 GMT

--------
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:34:24 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
wrote:

>royls@telus.net wrote:
>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:01 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>> wrote:
>>
>>>royls wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,
>>>>
>>>>Because you don't want to know the "why" of it. Right.
>>>>
>>>>>but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
>>>>>but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
>>>>>more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe the bad guy are the facts that
>>>>
>>>>1) land ownership is extravagantly subsidized, to the tune of about
>>>>20% of GDP (i.e., about as much money is given to landowners for doing
>>>>nothing each year as is spent in the entire federal budget),
>>>>
>>>>2) African-Americans were in most jurisdictions forbidden to own land
>>>>until after all the good land was made the private property of whites,
>>>>so while African-Americans are 12% of the US population, they
>>>>currently own only about 1% of the total land value,
>>>>
>>>>3) landowner privilege thus effectively makes black poverty
>>>>hereditary,
>>>>
>>>>4) unless a black American male possesses a 1-in-1000 talent in
>>>>sports, entertainment, etc., his principal route out of poverty will
>>>>be by selling illegal drugs, in which which profession,
>>>>
>>>>5) he will be spending most of his professional effort fighting
>>>>violent turf wars with other black drug dealers, which turf wars
>>>>account for the great majority of US murders.
>>>
>>> Yep, 999 out a thousand schvartzes are professional dope dealers.
>>>
>>> Even I am not that racist.
>>
>>Too bad you are that stupid.
>
> If I was stupid, I'd think that the only choice schvartzes got is to be
>sooper-stars or pro-dope dealers.

True. And because you indeed _are_ stupid, you think that someone
reading this might believe your claim that that is what I said.

>Is a lot of your econ theory based
>on drug dealing and pro-sports?

They are certainly part of the economy, and for most young black
American males, they are the principal prospective routes out of
poverty.

-- Roy L


Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:00:18 GMT

--------
royls wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:34:24 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> wrote:
>
>>royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:01 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>royls wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:32:15 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not going to go into the "why" of it,
>>>>>
>>>>>Because you don't want to know the "why" of it. Right.
>>>>>
>>>>>>but here in Virginia, Blacks constitute 20% of the population
>>>>>>but commit some 60% of the murders. Thus, Blacks are 10x's
>>>>>>more likely to commit murder than Whites. Who's the bad guy?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe the bad guy are the facts that
>>>>>
>>>>>1) land ownership is extravagantly subsidized, to the tune of about
>>>>>20% of GDP (i.e., about as much money is given to landowners for doing
>>>>>nothing each year as is spent in the entire federal budget),
>>>>>
>>>>>2) African-Americans were in most jurisdictions forbidden to own land
>>>>>until after all the good land was made the private property of whites,
>>>>>so while African-Americans are 12% of the US population, they
>>>>>currently own only about 1% of the total land value,
>>>>>
>>>>>3) landowner privilege thus effectively makes black poverty
>>>>>hereditary,
>>>>>
>>>>>4) unless a black American male possesses a 1-in-1000 talent in
>>>>>sports, entertainment, etc., his principal route out of poverty will
>>>>>be by selling illegal drugs, in which which profession,
>>>>>
>>>>>5) he will be spending most of his professional effort fighting
>>>>>violent turf wars with other black drug dealers, which turf wars
>>>>>account for the great majority of US murders.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, 999 out a thousand schvartzes are professional dope dealers.
>>>>
>>>> Even I am not that racist.
>>>
>>>Too bad you are that stupid.
>>
>> If I was stupid, I'd think that the only choice schvartzes got is to be
>>sooper-stars or pro-dope dealers.
>
>True. And because you indeed _are_ stupid, you think that someone
>reading this might believe your claim that that is what I said.
>
>>Is a lot of your econ theory based
>>on drug dealing and pro-sports?
>
>They are certainly part of the economy, and for most young black
>American males, they are the principal prospective routes out of
>poverty.
>
>-- Roy L

Yes, more's the pity!

But understand from the get-go, I don't like Blacks,
however there are some like Johnson from BET television
who parleyed his piece into an airline biz and whose current
net worth is in the billions, or the guy who was running
Cadillac's business. So, ain't every nigger got lint in
they head. But too, you might have seen the Spike Lee
film, "Do the Right Thing" where there's three coons
sitting on the street corrner across from an Oriental Mkt.
speculating about getting a business like that, but conclude
that they probably never will. Why do the new Oriental immigrants
do it and the AfroAms don't? Because they haven't been beaten
down like mongrel dogs and had their spirits broken?

I dunno, but I don't think as a contractor that I should be back-charged
for bullshit labor. Put out, or get out!

Jackals and Arabs

Franz Kafka

Schakale und