Correspondent:: Phin Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:03:43 GMT
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A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
between religion and psychiatry.
I think, as George Carlin once said, to a large degree religion is
basically 'mind control'. It is trying to keep the mind (and it's
attendant behaviors) from 'swinging back and forth'. This is basically
what psychiatry tries to do too.
There was a simple headline in The Onion one time that said simply
PSYCHIATRIST CURES PATIENT and I saw that and laughed... I thought,
you know, that would be worthy of a headline because they never seem
to. It's always this 'ongoing relationship'.
I've often thought of psychiatry to be a kind of 'secular religion'.
Rather a religion masquerading as a science. Think abou it. Since
Neitzsche declared God to be dead, we need something to take His place
cuz the problems God was there for never went away. Psychiatry could
be there for people who can't believe in God.
There are some interesting parallels between psychiatry and the
catholic church's traditions, for example.
# Instead of confession, you go to 'therapy'.
# Instead of a priest, you see a psychiatrist.
# The psychiatrist (and/or priest) are both learned people of
authority there to 'help' you and tell you what's going on and to give
guidance. Both have been shown to be susceptible to the temptations of
abuse.
# Here in therapy, instead of 'confessing sins' you 'report symptoms'
(which aren't ultimately you're fault, you're told by the priest
because of Adam's fall, you're told they aren't your fault by the
psychiatrist because they come from genes, or your brain), This
'absolution' comes from the authority figures and their education.
# Catholicism has nuns, psychiatry has nurses. Both are often dressed
in similar type uniforms. Both have folded white 'hats' they wear.
# They both give you something to take orally in both cases: in the
case of psychiatry it's medication, in the case of catholicism, the
'heavenly host'. Both of these 'work' to a large degree in the realm
of belief and expectation. In catholocism it's called 'faith' in
science it's called the 'placebo effect'... they work on the principle
that the expectation of relief is in itself a relief... to relieve the
fact that the anticipation of fear is in itself a fear. Both can be
powerful in their effects... Anti-depressants have been found in
actuality to be almost the same in their efficacy as sugar pills, in
double blind studies, yet people spend hundreds of millions on them
each year.
# Psychiatry even has its own 'Bible' (the DSM IV a huge tome that
lists all the symptoms and disorders the psychiatrists have to deal
with.
# One is said, in the realm of mental health to 'take one medication
"religiously"' (it's a common phrase you hear a lot)...
# Both have a lot more to do with 'social control' than they would
have you believe. I don't have to tell you about that in the case of
religion... any thinking person can see it. Heaven and hell are big
behavioral motivators. And the fact that the police show up at your
door if you're suicidal, instead of doctors and nurses, tell me the
same thing about psychiatry.
It should be noted, to dismiss psychiatry as a religion, might be a
mistake: 'they may be onto something' even though they may never 'get'
that something. There may well be, and probably is, a chemical formula
for 'meaning' a chemical formula for 'guilt' and so on. We just may
never know what it is. Science can't, for example, tell us with
certainty what the weather is going to be like in PIttsburgh next
Tuesday. Traditional religion has always been opposed to
scientifically understanding such things. And scientifically they
might always be elusive, beyond our understanding. That doesn't mean
however, we shouldn't endeavor to understand them. But then, we should
also be careful that our pracitcal application of these 'sciences'
doesn't outstrip that limited understanding. Technological
applications have a nasty way of solving one set of problems, only to
create another set of them.
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:50:11 -0500
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"Phin" wrote
> There are some interesting parallels between psychiatry and the
> catholic church's traditions, for example.
yeahbut the music of the psychiatric profession doesn't begin to compare
with 15th and 16th century motets and all that jazz.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:58:37 -0800
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:50:11 -0500, "Revi Shankar"
wrote:
>
>"Phin" wrote
>
>> There are some interesting parallels between psychiatry and the
>> catholic church's traditions, for example.
>
>yeah but the music of the psychiatric profession doesn't begin to compare
>with 15th and 16th century motets and all that jazz.
>
>
>
I don't know about that. If you count failed pychiatric patients, I
think you have to count Francis Dec, Frank Zappa and John Cage, for
instance, as "music of the psychiatric profession".
not to mention the Church of the Subgenius
Not to mention Coleridge and Baudelaire and Rimbaud. And Byron.
Crazy people might not make the best musicians but they make the best
poets.
--
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COURAGE to face the challenges of all other problems and
WISDOM to hide the bodies of those who fuck with me."
Correspondent:: König Prüße, GfbAEV Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:02:46 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:50:11 -0500, "Revi Shankar"
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Phin" wrote
>>
>>> There are some interesting parallels between psychiatry and the
>>> catholic church's traditions, for example.
>>
>>yeah but the music of the psychiatric profession doesn't begin to compare
>>with 15th and 16th century motets and all that jazz.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I don't know about that. If you count failed pychiatric patients, I
>think you have to count Francis Dec, Frank Zappa and John Cage, for
>instance, as "music of the psychiatric profession".
>
>not to mention the Church of the Subgenius
>
>Not to mention Coleridge and Baudelaire and Rimbaud. And Byron.
>
>Crazy people might not make the best musicians but they make the best
>poets.
Also, if you cut their nuts off, they can yodel!
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:49:40 -0500
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"Zapanaz" wrote
> I don't know about that. If you count failed pychiatric patients, I
> think you have to count Francis Dec, Frank Zappa and John Cage, for
> instance, as "music of the psychiatric profession".
WELL I DID think of that, didn't I. But that would have ruint my poast! And
I mistakenly though that y'all wouldn't follow that line of thinking, AND I
was wrong. I couldn't have been wronger. You guys ALWAYS follow lines of
thinking I imagine you won't. Always and then some. (*)
But, them again, if you were t'ask all them people, I wonder if any of them
would claim to be musici-a-nins for the psychiatric profession.
> not to mention the Church of the Subgenius
*obviously*
> Not to mention Coleridge and Baudelaire and Rimbaud. And Byron.
>
> Crazy people might not make the best musicians but they make the best
> poets.
Sho nuff, dat a fack. I don't think "sane" people make any poetry at all.
Or at least if they do, it's hideous.
(*) As Frank Lloyd Wright once said to his taller brother as they toured one
of his homes (maybe Fallingwater): "Please SIT DOWN, you're ruining the
scale!"
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:36:27 -0800
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:49:40 -0500, "Revi Shankar"
wrote:
>WELL I DID think of that, didn't I. But that would have ruint my poast! And
>I mistakenly though that y'all wouldn't follow that line of thinking, AND I
>was wrong. I couldn't have been wronger. You guys ALWAYS follow lines of
>thinking I imagine you won't. Always and then some. (*)
>
>(*) As Frank Lloyd Wright once said to his taller brother as they toured one
>of his homes (maybe Fallingwater): "Please SIT DOWN, you're ruining the
>scale!"
sig
--
Zapanaz
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Customer Support Specialist
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As Frank Lloyd Wright once said to his taller brother as they toured one
>of his homes (maybe Fallingwater): "Please SIT DOWN, you're ruining the
>scale!"
Correspondent:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 27 Feb 2005 12:58:34 -0800
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Zapanaz wrote:
(snip)
> Crazy people might not make the best musicians but they make the best
> poets.
According to Robert Jourdain in "Music, the Brain and Ecstasy",
manic-depressives are major musicians and composers... he cites
Handel's "Messiah" as being writ during one 24-day mania. Also Elgar,
Holst, Rachmaninoff, Rossini...
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:35:15 -0800
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On 27 Feb 2005 12:58:34 -0800, "frater S.O.D.D.I."
wrote:
>
>Zapanaz wrote:
>
>
>(snip)
>
>> Crazy people might not make the best musicians but they make the best
>> poets.
>
>
>According to Robert Jourdain in "Music, the Brain and Ecstasy",
>manic-depressives are major musicians and composers... he cites
>Handel's "Messiah" as being writ during one 24-day mania. Also Elgar,
>Holst, Rachmaninoff, Rossini...
not to mention Tchaikovsky. who is God.
--
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Infinite goodness
is creating a being you know, in advance,
is going to complain.
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Correspondent:: "Anachron" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:33:50 GMT
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"Phin" wrote in message
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>A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
> between religion and psychiatry.
Two reasons science is better than religion:
1. Science does not ever claim infallibility.
2. Scientists must be willing to tear down a theory and start over when
conflicting observations are proven.
--
Rev. Anachron
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:04:32 -0800
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:33:50 GMT, "Anachron"
wrote:
>"Phin" wrote in message
>news:tjo2215obum4t1f70ckbdqp6rtnnhbe9i4@4ax.com...
>>A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
>> between religion and psychiatry.
>
>Two reasons science is better than religion:
>1. Science does not ever claim infallibility.
>2. Scientists must be willing to tear down a theory and start over when
>conflicting observations are proven.
Well just for the record, you are equating "religion" with "dogmatic
religion", undoubtedly based mostly on western, Catholic-descended
relgion.
I can definitely relate to the critical attitude that religion has
aroused in a lot of people. But I have spent a lot of time playing
with both weird and fringe religions and non-judeo-christian
religions, and not all religion is like that.
Ironically, religion at it's best is IMO exactly the opposite of
religion at it's worst. Rather than being a tool to enforce mindless
social conformity and ignorance, at it's best it is a culture's
supreme tool for breaking social conformity and helping people find
freedom.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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America is a wonderful country. Where else could a young Black man like
Michael Jackson grow up to be a middle-aged White woman?
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:38:53 -0800
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:04:32 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote:
>Ironically, religion at it's best is IMO exactly the opposite of
>religion at it's worst. Rather than being a tool to enforce mindless
>social conformity and ignorance, at it's best it is a culture's
>supreme tool for breaking social conformity and helping people find
>freedom.
>
...
>America is a wonderful country. Where else could a young Black man like
>Michael Jackson grow up to be a middle-aged White woman?
sometimes I just don't get what the God Of The Sig is trying to tell
me.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
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- kevbob the chilling
Correspondent:: "Anachron" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:46:42 GMT
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"Zapanaz" wrote in message
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> Ironically, religion at it's best is IMO exactly the opposite of
> religion at it's worst. Rather than being a tool to enforce mindless
> social conformity and ignorance, at it's best it is a culture's
> supreme tool for breaking social conformity and helping people find
> freedom.
I would be happy to give religion a pass if all it did was give people
comfort in times of crisis. Unfortunately it is used by every scheming
asshole to take advantage of the limitless gullibility of the Human race.
Why can't people get right with death and simply comfort each other? The
Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam are great for emotional
children who need a daddy god to take care of them. Their lack of adult
thinking them turns these emotional cripples into ticking time bombs ripe
for the plucking & fucking. Do you think W could have been re-elected if
Jesus had not endorsed him?
--
Rev. Anachron
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:00:18 -0800
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:46:42 GMT, "Anachron"
wrote:
>"Zapanaz" wrote in message
>news:1j2421li3fju9g68i4ar46un719jtel000@4ax.com...
>> Ironically, religion at it's best is IMO exactly the opposite of
>> religion at it's worst. Rather than being a tool to enforce mindless
>> social conformity and ignorance, at it's best it is a culture's
>> supreme tool for breaking social conformity and helping people find
>> freedom.
>
>
>I would be happy to give religion a pass if all it did was give people
>comfort in times of crisis. Unfortunately it is used by every scheming
>asshole to take advantage of the limitless gullibility of the Human race.
>Why can't people get right with death and simply comfort each other? The
>Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam are great for emotional
>children who need a daddy god to take care of them. Their lack of adult
>thinking them turns these emotional cripples into ticking time bombs ripe
>for the plucking & fucking. Do you think W could have been re-elected if
>Jesus had not endorsed him?
i agree totally, I'm just saying, "religion" does not === The
Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam
now I am starting to sound like Vertigo.
--
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WHEN I GO OUTSIDE, SQUIRRELS STICK TO MY CLOTHES
Correspondent:: "Anachron" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:17:29 GMT
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> i agree totally, I'm just saying, "religion" does not === The
> Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam
>
> now I am starting to sound like Vertigo.
It's OK, on Tuesday and Thursdays I'm Buddhist.
--
Rev. Anachron
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:41:18 -0700
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"Anachron" wrote in message
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> "Zapanaz" wrote in message
> I would be happy to give religion a pass if all it did was give people
> comfort in times of crisis. Unfortunately it is used by every scheming
> asshole to take advantage of the limitless gullibility of the Human race.
Yeah I just found that out about my favorite religion, the Church of
Bob...DAMN! I got fooled again!
By the way, Jesus didn't endorse Bush, the fucking dickwad evangelical Right
Wing Nazi Christian Fucks did that, they stole Jesus a long time ago,
enslaved him and are making them suck all their dicks and do a Bukkake show
for Bush and his team of degenerates. This will all come out after Karl Rove
leaves office three years from now.
A.P.
Correspondent:: "Anachron" Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:16:33 GMT
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"angelicusrex" wrote in message
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> By the way, Jesus didn't endorse Bush, the fucking dickwad evangelical
> Right Wing Nazi Christian Fucks did that, they stole Jesus a long time
> ago, enslaved him and are making them suck all their dicks and do a
> Bukkake show for Bush and his team of degenerates. This will all come out
> after Karl Rove leaves office three years from now.
>
> A.P.
Just wait till they find out Jeezus was gay! That will get their panites in
a bunch.
--
Rev. Anachron
Correspondent:: Eddie Vroom Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:58:12 GMT
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Anachron wrote:
> 2. Scientists must be willing to tear down a theory and start over when
> conflicting observations are proven.
Ah, but Medicine is an ART. Ego and opinion are very much in play within
that particular field.
--
How's this for a punchline: I wasn't joking, motherfucker!
the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor Eddie Vroom
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:06:10 -0700
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Phin wrote:
>
> A friend and I were having an email discussion
> on the similarities between religion and
> psychiatry.
Actually, there are two major distinct forms of
psychiatry. The form you describe is, indeed, a
joke, with statistically them curing exactly 0.0%
more people than are cured spontaneously.
Properly, it should be called "counseling", and
lumped together with any ratbag Dr Phil type who
puts up a shingle and tells people things for
their own good.
But the *other* form of psychiatry, clinical
psychiatry, could really be described as
"deductional neurology." They work on the
assumption that there is a physical or chemical
pathology at work, underlying any outward
manefestation.
They work at several levels. First and foremost,
they use a quick diagnostic to determine if there
are any egregious symptoms: one pupil dialating
while the other doesn't, tremors, speech impediment,
malfunctioning senses, problems in balance and
reflex. If they see *anything* along these lines,
then it's an instant referral to a neurologist to
make sure you don't have a tangerine-sized tumor
in your brain.
The next level assumes that you have a chemical
inbalance of some type. This can be hormonal, or
poisons and toxins, or neurotransmitter problems.
A bunch of times, again, they can take one look
at external symptoms and be pretty sure a person
has some physical problem. Some of these are more
proper diseases or poisoning, some are too much or
not enough of what they're supposed to have.
Most of the stuff they can refer to specialists,
except for neurotransmitter problems, which is in
their specialty. By far the #1 dysfunction is
depression, which they have about a dozen drugs
one of which will probably treat the problem.
So all told, psychiatrists of this type are pretty
good doctors, unlike the other kind.
--
"We've pretty much just been patrolling
and flying helicopters all over the place,
and when we see something bad, we blow it up."
-- Maj. David Holahan, US Marines
Correspondent:: "Rev. Richard Skull" Date: 28 Feb 2005 14:58:52 -0800
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Most of the stuff they can refer to specialists,
except for neurotransmitter problems, which is in
their specialty. By far the #1 dysfunction is
depression, which they have about a dozen drugs
one of which will probably treat the problem.
As someone who has been ongoing treatment for Depression for 5 years, I
can say that the drugs (even the so-called miricle ones) are not 100%
efected and often have severe side effects that are often as bad if not
worse the depressions itself.
Many of the newest anti-depressents are suspected of actually causing
severe swings in moods. Leading to suicide and violence.
The Dr. I see at the VA tells me he will not prescribe many of the
newest drugs unless the more conventional ones do not work well.
He has me on two, Paxil and Wellbutrin. They together work well for
depressions. But I still suffer periods of severe down periods were I
just want to lock myslef up in thebhouse and cut off the world outside.
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:22:30 -0700
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>
> As someone who has been ongoing treatment for
> Depression for 5 years, I can say that the drugs
> (even the so-called miricle ones) are not 100%
> efected and often have severe side effects that
> are often as bad if not worse the depressions
> itself.
>
> Many of the newest anti-depressents are suspected
> of actually causing severe swings in moods. Leading
> to suicide and violence...
I agree that this is a problem, but a difficult one.
To properly diagnose and treat depression takes
about 6 months to a year(*), but tens of millions of
people in the US suffer from it. However, the drugs
can be prescribed by non-specialists in a VERY hit
or miss, mostly miss, manner.
This is why most treatments for depression amount
to drugs that discourage you from complaining that
you are still depressed. If you don't complain, you
must be feeling better, right?
Prozac was a winner here, since people who took it
became downright stoical to their pain. Still
depressed as hell, but no longer willing to fight it.
(*)by a biochemical psychiatrist, of which there are
very few.
--
"YOU BELONG TO US NOW!"
"GET DOWN WITH MY SICKNESS!!"
--Kino Beman, brand name
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:46:51 -0700
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I've been treated for depression. Here is my take on it. There are two
cures. Get over it yourself on your own terms. Or a bullet to the brainpan.
The drugs don't work. The New Psychiatry is all about chemical cocktails.
They have given up on the religion and the original spiritual aspects of
Psychiatry, (Psyche-iatry used to mean treatment of the Soul. Psyche being
the goddess of sleep and the souls which are released therein to
dream)...which had heretofore replaced the older religions. Now they are
trying to drown trauma and heartache with drugs. It doesn't work. By the
way, Psychiatrists do not heal patients, neither do doctors. Patients heal
themselves, but they NEED to WANT to do it.
A.P. World Policeman At Large
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:12:07 GMT
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In article <38idubF5o0r5hU1@individual.net>,
"angelicusrex" wrote:
> I've been treated for depression. Here is my take on it. There are two
> cures. Get over it yourself on your own terms. Or a bullet to the brainpan.
> The drugs don't work. The New Psychiatry is all about chemical cocktails.
> They have given up on the religion and the original spiritual aspects of
> Psychiatry, (Psyche-iatry used to mean treatment of the Soul. Psyche being
> the goddess of sleep and the souls which are released therein to
> dream)...which had heretofore replaced the older religions. Now they are
> trying to drown trauma and heartache with drugs. It doesn't work. By the
> way, Psychiatrists do not heal patients, neither do doctors. Patients heal
> themselves, but they NEED to WANT to do it.
How in the hell did you ever let that tapeworm get so LARGE? Please,
drink the special Flav-R-Aid before it gets a grip on your brain stem or
its all over. Dobbs has need of you! Of course, he is insane, but he is
our leader, so I always do what he says, even after he drove my car into
that abbatoir and screwed up the upholstery. What a stench.
--
HellPope Huey
I like to gouge wattled matrons with sporks
I do not have a psychiatrist
and I do not want one,
for the simple reason
that if he listened to me long enough,
he might become disturbed.
~ "Carpe Noctem, If You Can",
Credos and Curios
My father had a profound influence on me.
He was a lunatic.
~ Spike Milligan
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:47:19 -0700
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"HellPope Huey" wrote in message
news:Grinningbastard-6F174E.00132401032005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <38idubF5o0r5hU1@individual.net>,
> "angelicusrex" wrote:
>
>> I've been treated for depression. Here is my take on it. There are two
>> cures. Get over it yourself on your own terms. Or a bullet to the
>> brainpan.
>> The drugs don't work. The New Psychiatry is all about chemical cocktails.
>> They have given up on the religion and the original spiritual aspects of
>> Psychiatry, (Psyche-iatry used to mean treatment of the Soul. Psyche
>> being
>> the goddess of sleep and the souls which are released therein to
>> dream)...which had heretofore replaced the older religions. Now they are
>> trying to drown trauma and heartache with drugs. It doesn't work. By the
>> way, Psychiatrists do not heal patients, neither do doctors. Patients
>> heal
>> themselves, but they NEED to WANT to do it.
>
> How in the hell did you ever let that tapeworm get so LARGE? Please,
> drink the special Flav-R-Aid before it gets a grip on your brain stem or
> its all over. Dobbs has need of you!
According to the Old Ones, Dobbs does not need me. My tapeworm awaiteth.
>Of course, he is insane, but he is
> our leader, so I always do what he says, even after he drove my car into
> that abbatoir and screwed up the upholstery. What a stench.
Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch Date: 2 Mar 2005 13:59:58 GMT
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"angelicusrex" wrote in news:38jrlsF5q9053U1
@individual.net:
>
>
> "HellPope Huey" wrote in message
> news:Grinningbastard-6F174E.00132401032005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>> In article <38idubF5o0r5hU1@individual.net>,
>> "angelicusrex" wrote:
>>
>>> I've been treated for depression. Here is my take on it. There are two
>>> cures. Get over it yourself on your own terms. Or a bullet to the
>>> brainpan.
>>> The drugs don't work. The New Psychiatry is all about chemical
cocktails.
>>> They have given up on the religion and the original spiritual aspects
of
>>> Psychiatry, (Psyche-iatry used to mean treatment of the Soul. Psyche
>>> being
>>> the goddess of sleep and the souls which are released therein to
>>> dream)...which had heretofore replaced the older religions. Now they
are
>>> trying to drown trauma and heartache with drugs. It doesn't work. By
the
>>> way, Psychiatrists do not heal patients, neither do doctors. Patients
>>> heal
>>> themselves, but they NEED to WANT to do it.
>>
>> How in the hell did you ever let that tapeworm get so LARGE? Please,
>> drink the special Flav-R-Aid before it gets a grip on your brain stem or
>> its all over. Dobbs has need of you!
>
> According to the Old Ones, Dobbs does not need me. My tapeworm awaiteth.
>
>
Trust me on this one... that tapeworm is the worst kind of false slack.
Actually, I feel ya on the premise of "More pilz kilz depression = BAD
mojo". I spent three damned years on a nightshift I fucking HATED.
Depression bad enough even the wifemisstress kept a suicide watch on me
once or twice. Welbutrin numbed the sensation of pain but never removed the
mental thrumbscrews that was causing it.
Once I convinced the PHB that one more week of that shit would likely
result in his experiencing my own form of beltway sniper jihad did he give
me a break and change me over to day shift. First week after I dropped off
the Welbutrin and never looked back because I was mentally alot better off.
The drugs didn't cure the depression... changing how my life was going did.
However, I do know of some people who have been chronically depressed for
most of their adult lives. Changed jobs, changed wifes, changed residences
and states, changed underwear twice a day... nothing improved their ability
to handle their *internal* stresses and the only way they could handle just
a day-to-day existance was neurochemical modification. Unfortunately, shit
happens to some people and some gene somewhere runs off and hides or gets
turned sideways in the process and a person's mental wiring just isn't up
to specs.
I believe MOST of the people diagnosed with depression are victims of their
own environment and either feel trapped (fear they can't find another job
they can do, will lose their insurance/house/wife/kids/prestige/etc.)but
have the means to physically relocate to a more "spiritually-friendly"
local (don't confuse this with a religious tone, in this case I'm referrng
to the internal spirit of the soul and mind), or are financially unable to
remove themselves from the cage they built for themselves.
It wasn't until I convinced myself that either I could mentally empower
myself to force a change of shifts, or be prepaired to search for another
job, that I got myself out of my own cage. It was NOT an easy process, but
the alternative would have been probably to decide ending my existance
instead of continuing to abuse myself in that lifestyle.
--
12th Epochalyptic FisTempleDungeon of The Church of Our Lady of Perpetual
Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM
"Yeah yeah. It's all fun and games until someone ingests a quantum
singularity and implodes!!"
-- DJ Epoch
"Support mental health OR I'LL KILL YOU!"
-- seen on a bumper sticker
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:14:33 -0700
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"Phin" wrote in message
news:tjo2215obum4t1f70ckbdqp6rtnnhbe9i4@4ax.com...
>A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
> between religion and psychiatry.
>
> I think, as George Carlin once said, to a large degree religion is
> basically 'mind control'. It is trying to keep the mind (and it's
> attendant behaviors) from 'swinging back and forth'. This is basically
> what psychiatry tries to do too.
>
> There was a simple headline in The Onion one time that said simply
> PSYCHIATRIST CURES PATIENT and I saw that and laughed...
Jesus Christ! Thanks for stating the obvious, Phin! Or is this all an
elaborate in-joke as well?
A.P.
Correspondent:: Phin Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:43:45 GMT
--------
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:14:33 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>
>
>"Phin" wrote in message
>news:tjo2215obum4t1f70ckbdqp6rtnnhbe9i4@4ax.com...
>
>
>>A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
>> between religion and psychiatry.
>>
>> I think, as George Carlin once said, to a large degree religion is
>> basically 'mind control'. It is trying to keep the mind (and it's
>> attendant behaviors) from 'swinging back and forth'. This is basically
>> what psychiatry tries to do too.
>>
>> There was a simple headline in The Onion one time that said simply
>> PSYCHIATRIST CURES PATIENT and I saw that and laughed...
>
>Jesus Christ! Thanks for stating the obvious, Phin! Or is this all an
>elaborate in-joke as well?
>
>A.P.
>
I have a tendency to state the obvious. I'm sorry.
-=-Phin
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:47:16 -0500
--------
In article , Phin
wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:14:33 -0700, "angelicusrex"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Phin" wrote in message
> >news:tjo2215obum4t1f70ckbdqp6rtnnhbe9i4@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> >>A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
> >> between religion and psychiatry.
> >>
> >> I think, as George Carlin once said, to a large degree religion is
> >> basically 'mind control'. It is trying to keep the mind (and it's
> >> attendant behaviors) from 'swinging back and forth'. This is basically
> >> what psychiatry tries to do too.
> >>
> >> There was a simple headline in The Onion one time that said simply
> >> PSYCHIATRIST CURES PATIENT and I saw that and laughed...
> >
> >Jesus Christ! Thanks for stating the obvious, Phin! Or is this all an
> >elaborate in-joke as well?
> >
> >A.P.
> >
>
> I have a tendency to state the obvious. I'm sorry.
>
> -=-Phin
Phineas. Your article was thought provoking and well written, and
started up some back-and-forth that was funny and likewise
thought-provoking, up until this post. I encourage you to ignore this
particular World Policeman until he gets a better sense of proportion.
Might require patience. He had a piece of artwork in Revelation X, and
is proud of that, but apparently he has not noticed that Nenslo and you
have also contributed OH, JUST A WEE SMALL BIT to the overall SubGenius
liturgy yourselves. Such as, respectively, much of the BEST art and
writing in Revelation X and the more original collages and songs on
Hour of Slack -- not to mention Over the Edge, the Puzzling Evidence
show and your own shows.
As you know, we SubGenii can get over it and quickly forget it when one
of our friends freaks out and goes all dipshit for awhile. WE ALL DO
IT. I've done it and you've done it and it was understood -- more or
less -- and forgiven, or at least BLOWN OFF. MOST of us fall into that
shitty World Policeman mindset TEMPORARILY. You have a long history in
the Church, and you do not have to worry what some New Old Guy thinks.
It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
Mentally Killfiled.
Nenslo alone can be as Gripey McShitFuck as he pleases -- OR NOT --
SIMPLY *BECAUSE* HE IS NENMASTER NENSLO.
Although nobody has to LIKE that fact, it's not to be questioned.
Period.
That is MY bait contrib.
Incidentally I also have that same right as Nenslo, but for a different
reason, obviously.
*****
I agree with what nu-monet was saying, there are good shrinks and bad
shrinks. Generallizing about things like that is for Mal-Aligned
Normals and other persons who Ought To Be Locked Up. Thankfully, I have
been too foxy to ever get caught in a mental illness diagnosis. I have
flown under the radar so far. But I have had to deal with pretty
serious mental illness up close and personal nonetheless. There are
medicines that CAN POSSIBLY HELP A LOT, although they have different
effects on different people. Duh. There are many "shrinks" who only
make matters worse. Duh. And there are people who really truly do get
Saved by Jesus. Whatever gets you through the god damned day.
Duh.
There, I have joined you in stating the obvious.
As I understand it, the more dependable statistics, such as they are,
indicate that the same rate of "cure" applies to modern psychiatry,
tribal witch doctors/preachers, and no treatment at all -- about 50/50.
Placebos have proven to be slightly more effective than antidepressants
in treating depression -- IN GENERAL. Important to point out that that
is a general statistical average however.
Mental illnesses are like snowflakes. Guys with delicate egos, however,
might as well be stamped out by machines on an assembly line.
My ego, contrarily, was hand-blown by master craftsmen in Venice, and
is the most delicate of all, so I keep it locked up in a sturdy crate,
surrounded by packing foam -- Which makes it a good safe place in which
to stash my 'Frop supply.
Above all, Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take a Joke.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: Baldin Pramer Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:10:40 -0700
--------
Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> My ego, contrarily, was hand-blown
Nice trick if you can get it. Was it Senor Wences?
--
Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:30 -0500
--------
In article <42234245$1@nntp.zianet.com>, Baldin Pramer
wrote:
> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> > My ego, contrarily, was hand-blown
>
> Nice trick if you can get it. Was it Senor Wences?
!!! I resent the implications of that remark.
If you must know it was a little darling named "Lambchop."
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: purple Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:20:38 -0500
--------
Psychiatry was a product of the telegraph and movie environments.
Couch (cool medium) versus Chair (hot medium).
"Religion" was a product of the manuscript surround.
The media fit the Battle of Jericho.
The Great Bob Dobbs
On 2/28/05 10:47 AM, in article
280220051047161730%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
wrote:
> In article , Phin
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:14:33 -0700, "angelicusrex"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phin" wrote in message
>>> news:tjo2215obum4t1f70ckbdqp6rtnnhbe9i4@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> A friend and I were having an email discussion on the similarities
>>>> between religion and psychiatry.
>>>>
>>>> I think, as George Carlin once said, to a large degree religion is
>>>> basically 'mind control'. It is trying to keep the mind (and it's
>>>> attendant behaviors) from 'swinging back and forth'. This is basically
>>>> what psychiatry tries to do too.
>>>>
>>>> There was a simple headline in The Onion one time that said simply
>>>> PSYCHIATRIST CURES PATIENT and I saw that and laughed...
>>>
>>> Jesus Christ! Thanks for stating the obvious, Phin! Or is this all an
>>> elaborate in-joke as well?
>>>
>>> A.P.
>>>
>>
>> I have a tendency to state the obvious. I'm sorry.
>>
>> -=-Phin
>
>
> Phineas. Your article was thought provoking and well written, and
> started up some back-and-forth that was funny and likewise
> thought-provoking, up until this post. I encourage you to ignore this
> particular World Policeman until he gets a better sense of proportion.
>
> Might require patience. He had a piece of artwork in Revelation X, and
> is proud of that, but apparently he has not noticed that Nenslo and you
> have also contributed OH, JUST A WEE SMALL BIT to the overall SubGenius
> liturgy yourselves. Such as, respectively, much of the BEST art and
> writing in Revelation X and the more original collages and songs on
> Hour of Slack -- not to mention Over the Edge, the Puzzling Evidence
> show and your own shows.
>
> As you know, we SubGenii can get over it and quickly forget it when one
> of our friends freaks out and goes all dipshit for awhile. WE ALL DO
> IT. I've done it and you've done it and it was understood -- more or
> less -- and forgiven, or at least BLOWN OFF. MOST of us fall into that
> shitty World Policeman mindset TEMPORARILY. You have a long history in
> the Church, and you do not have to worry what some New Old Guy thinks.
>
> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
> Mentally Killfiled.
>
> Nenslo alone can be as Gripey McShitFuck as he pleases -- OR NOT --
> SIMPLY *BECAUSE* HE IS NENMASTER NENSLO.
>
> Although nobody has to LIKE that fact, it's not to be questioned.
> Period.
>
> That is MY bait contrib.
>
> Incidentally I also have that same right as Nenslo, but for a different
> reason, obviously.
>
> *****
>
> I agree with what nu-monet was saying, there are good shrinks and bad
> shrinks. Generallizing about things like that is for Mal-Aligned
> Normals and other persons who Ought To Be Locked Up. Thankfully, I have
> been too foxy to ever get caught in a mental illness diagnosis. I have
> flown under the radar so far. But I have had to deal with pretty
> serious mental illness up close and personal nonetheless. There are
> medicines that CAN POSSIBLY HELP A LOT, although they have different
> effects on different people. Duh. There are many "shrinks" who only
> make matters worse. Duh. And there are people who really truly do get
> Saved by Jesus. Whatever gets you through the god damned day.
>
> Duh.
>
> There, I have joined you in stating the obvious.
>
> As I understand it, the more dependable statistics, such as they are,
> indicate that the same rate of "cure" applies to modern psychiatry,
> tribal witch doctors/preachers, and no treatment at all -- about 50/50.
>
> Placebos have proven to be slightly more effective than antidepressants
> in treating depression -- IN GENERAL. Important to point out that that
> is a general statistical average however.
>
> Mental illnesses are like snowflakes. Guys with delicate egos, however,
> might as well be stamped out by machines on an assembly line.
>
> My ego, contrarily, was hand-blown by master craftsmen in Venice, and
> is the most delicate of all, so I keep it locked up in a sturdy crate,
> surrounded by packing foam -- Which makes it a good safe place in which
> to stash my 'Frop supply.
>
> Above all, Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take a Joke.
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:24 -0800
--------
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
> Mentally Killfiled.
>
Not just mentally.
I read and really enjoyed Phineas' article, but did not comment because
I would have had to comment on EVERY SENTENCE, and it would mostly have
been "I agree with this sentence, and this one too!"
I especially liked his pointing out that Negative Thinking is addictive.
I may seem bad to some people but I know people I can't stand to be
around because they are total Negathought Junkies. They ONLY complain,
and are perpetual faultfinders and doomsayers, and even go so far as to
argue that faultfinding is a positive value and a healthy outlook.
Which is, of course, INSANE. If I am going to bitch about stuff I do it
in the full knowledge that it is a wicked vice, and savor it accordingly.
Correspondent:: Phin Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:01:06 GMT
--------
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:24 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>>
>> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
>> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
>> Mentally Killfiled.
>>
>Not just mentally.
>
>I read and really enjoyed Phineas' article, but did not comment because
>I would have had to comment on EVERY SENTENCE, and it would mostly have
>been "I agree with this sentence, and this one too!"
>
>I especially liked his pointing out that Negative Thinking is addictive.
> I may seem bad to some people but I know people I can't stand to be
>around because they are total Negathought Junkies. They ONLY complain,
>and are perpetual faultfinders and doomsayers, and even go so far as to
>argue that faultfinding is a positive value and a healthy outlook.
>Which is, of course, INSANE. If I am going to bitch about stuff I do it
>in the full knowledge that it is a wicked vice, and savor it accordingly.
I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
you.
It's like you're talking to them and it's a nice day and everything,
and how's it going. But this is all just pretense. Then they start to
unbuckle their trousers and you think "Oh, here comes the point in the
conversation like EVERY time I see this person that they take a SHIT
on me".
"OH but don't you want me to void my bowels?? It's GOOD for me. Thank
you for letting me SHIT on you. I hope you don't mind." they say.
Never mind that YOU get covered in SHIT.
And then some of them have the nerve to say "I hope I"m not SHITTING
on you, I hope that I'm not getting you dirty." as they're even
covering you in the brown, viscous substance, even though they do it
to you EVERY time you see them.
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:44:30 -0800
--------
Phin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:24 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>
> >"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> >>
> >> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
> >> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
> >> Mentally Killfiled.
> >>
> >Not just mentally.
> >
> >I read and really enjoyed Phineas' article, but did not comment because
> >I would have had to comment on EVERY SENTENCE, and it would mostly have
> >been "I agree with this sentence, and this one too!"
> >
> >I especially liked his pointing out that Negative Thinking is addictive.
> > I may seem bad to some people but I know people I can't stand to be
> >around because they are total Negathought Junkies. They ONLY complain,
> >and are perpetual faultfinders and doomsayers, and even go so far as to
> >argue that faultfinding is a positive value and a healthy outlook.
> >Which is, of course, INSANE. If I am going to bitch about stuff I do it
> >in the full knowledge that it is a wicked vice, and savor it accordingly.
>
> I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
> that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
> you.
>
> It's like you're talking to them and it's a nice day and everything,
> and how's it going. But this is all just pretense. Then they start to
> unbuckle their trousers and you think "Oh, here comes the point in the
> conversation like EVERY time I see this person that they take a SHIT
> on me".
>
> "OH but don't you want me to void my bowels?? It's GOOD for me. Thank
> you for letting me SHIT on you. I hope you don't mind." they say.
> Never mind that YOU get covered in SHIT.
>
> And then some of them have the nerve to say "I hope I"m not SHITTING
> on you, I hope that I'm not getting you dirty." as they're even
> covering you in the brown, viscous substance, even though they do it
> to you EVERY time you see them.
I'll "go" you one better. You ask them not to SHIT on you because you
don't like being SHIT on, it makes you feel bad; and they are OFFENDED
because you are being so CRITICAL of them, and they can't say ANYTHING
without you being CRITICAL, and it's actually YOU who are SHITTING on
THEM! And if they can't SHIT on you, then what CAN they do? Talk about
the WEATHER? They are just trying to be THEMSELVES.
Correspondent:: Phin Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:43:03 GMT
--------
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:44:30 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>Phin wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:24 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>>
>> >"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
>> >> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
>> >> Mentally Killfiled.
>> >>
>> >Not just mentally.
>> >
>> >I read and really enjoyed Phineas' article, but did not comment because
>> >I would have had to comment on EVERY SENTENCE, and it would mostly have
>> >been "I agree with this sentence, and this one too!"
>> >
>> >I especially liked his pointing out that Negative Thinking is addictive.
>> > I may seem bad to some people but I know people I can't stand to be
>> >around because they are total Negathought Junkies. They ONLY complain,
>> >and are perpetual faultfinders and doomsayers, and even go so far as to
>> >argue that faultfinding is a positive value and a healthy outlook.
>> >Which is, of course, INSANE. If I am going to bitch about stuff I do it
>> >in the full knowledge that it is a wicked vice, and savor it accordingly.
>>
>> I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
>> that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
>> you.
>>
>> It's like you're talking to them and it's a nice day and everything,
>> and how's it going. But this is all just pretense. Then they start to
>> unbuckle their trousers and you think "Oh, here comes the point in the
>> conversation like EVERY time I see this person that they take a SHIT
>> on me".
>>
>> "OH but don't you want me to void my bowels?? It's GOOD for me. Thank
>> you for letting me SHIT on you. I hope you don't mind." they say.
>> Never mind that YOU get covered in SHIT.
>>
>> And then some of them have the nerve to say "I hope I"m not SHITTING
>> on you, I hope that I'm not getting you dirty." as they're even
>> covering you in the brown, viscous substance, even though they do it
>> to you EVERY time you see them.
>
>I'll "go" you one better. You ask them not to SHIT on you because you
>don't like being SHIT on, it makes you feel bad; and they are OFFENDED
>because you are being so CRITICAL of them, and they can't say ANYTHING
>without you being CRITICAL, and it's actually YOU who are SHITTING on
>THEM! And if they can't SHIT on you, then what CAN they do? Talk about
>the WEATHER? They are just trying to be THEMSELVES.
Yes, how DARE you not let them take a dump on you. You must be an
abusive person.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:09:03 GMT
--------
In article ,
Phin wrote:
> Yes, how DARE you not let them take a dump on you. You must be an
> abusive person.
Yeah, I understand, like when they take little shits on you for a long
time and then it piles up into one big pile of it and you start taking
little shits on them in return 'cause they think shittin' on you is just
a joke and pretty soon it becomes a REALLY big pile of shit and then
they take a HUGE one on you in public to up the ante because of course,
its all YOUR fault for not grinning through the shit and you kinda go
"Well damn, I never really wanted to shit or BE shat, where the hell did
we go so wrong?", but by then, you're up to your waist in a big tarry
one? I sure wish we'd both CLENCHED better. I was just looking for a few
laughs and a chili dog without so much SHIT on it later. No, really!
Well, I been doing a little better, but its kinda late in the game,
because the shit is eating away the paint on my CAR. Its one thing if
you call your own car a POS, but when it gets PAINTED that way by
marauders, gosh, that's bad. Those who read these words of wit, post
them to alt.slack. Crap.
--
HellPope Huey
The Walt Nazis will drag you
into one of those tunnels
and beat the Goofy outta ya.
Then you wake up at the high school level
and find out that the illiteracy level
of our children are appalling.
~ George W. Bush
"I don't get up every morning
and whisper 'Be a jerk' in his ear;
that comes from within."
- "King of the Hill"
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:53:47 -0800
--------
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:44:30 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>Phin wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:24 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>>
>> >"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
>> >> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
>> >> Mentally Killfiled.
>> >>
>> >Not just mentally.
>> >
>> >I read and really enjoyed Phineas' article, but did not comment because
>> >I would have had to comment on EVERY SENTENCE, and it would mostly have
>> >been "I agree with this sentence, and this one too!"
>> >
>> >I especially liked his pointing out that Negative Thinking is addictive.
>> > I may seem bad to some people but I know people I can't stand to be
>> >around because they are total Negathought Junkies. They ONLY complain,
>> >and are perpetual faultfinders and doomsayers, and even go so far as to
>> >argue that faultfinding is a positive value and a healthy outlook.
>> >Which is, of course, INSANE. If I am going to bitch about stuff I do it
>> >in the full knowledge that it is a wicked vice, and savor it accordingly.
>>
>> I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
>> that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
>> you.
>>
>> It's like you're talking to them and it's a nice day and everything,
>> and how's it going. But this is all just pretense. Then they start to
>> unbuckle their trousers and you think "Oh, here comes the point in the
>> conversation like EVERY time I see this person that they take a SHIT
>> on me".
>>
>> "OH but don't you want me to void my bowels?? It's GOOD for me. Thank
>> you for letting me SHIT on you. I hope you don't mind." they say.
>> Never mind that YOU get covered in SHIT.
>>
>> And then some of them have the nerve to say "I hope I"m not SHITTING
>> on you, I hope that I'm not getting you dirty." as they're even
>> covering you in the brown, viscous substance, even though they do it
>> to you EVERY time you see them.
>
>I'll "go" you one better. You ask them not to SHIT on you because you
>don't like being SHIT on, it makes you feel bad; and they are OFFENDED
>because you are being so CRITICAL of them, and they can't say ANYTHING
>without you being CRITICAL, and it's actually YOU who are SHITTING on
>THEM! And if they can't SHIT on you, then what CAN they do? Talk about
>the WEATHER? They are just trying to be THEMSELVES.
this is just priceless coming from nenslo.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Flogging a dead horse is one thing. Flogging a dead AND BURIED horse is
just silly."
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:18:14 GMT
--------
In article ,
Zapanaz wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:44:30 -0800, nenslo wrote:
> >I'll "go" you one better. You ask them not to SHIT on you because you
> >don't like being SHIT on, it makes you feel bad; and they are OFFENDED
> >because you are being so CRITICAL of them, and they can't say ANYTHING
> >without you being CRITICAL, and it's actually YOU who are SHITTING on
> >THEM! And if they can't SHIT on you, then what CAN they do? Talk about
> >the WEATHER? They are just trying to be THEMSELVES.
>
> this is just priceless coming from nenslo.
It had BETTER be free; no one in their right mind would pay jack shit
for it.
--
HellPope Huey
The Walt Nazis will drag you
into one of those tunnels
and beat the Goofy outta ya.
Then you wake up at the high school level
and find out that the illiteracy level
of our children are appalling.
~ George W. Bush
"I don't get up every morning
and whisper 'Be a jerk' in his ear;
that comes from within."
- "King of the Hill"
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:37:06 -0700
--------
"nenslo" wrote in message
news:4223ACDD.F27D1285@yahoox.com...
> Phin wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:24 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>>
>> >"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
>> >> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
>> >> Mentally Killfiled.
>> >>
>> >Not just mentally.
>> >
>> >I read and really enjoyed Phineas' article, but did not comment because
>> >I would have had to comment on EVERY SENTENCE, and it would mostly have
>> >been "I agree with this sentence, and this one too!"
>> >
>> >I especially liked his pointing out that Negative Thinking is addictive.
>> > I may seem bad to some people but I know people I can't stand to be
>> >around because they are total Negathought Junkies. They ONLY complain,
>> >and are perpetual faultfinders and doomsayers, and even go so far as to
>> >argue that faultfinding is a positive value and a healthy outlook.
>> >Which is, of course, INSANE. If I am going to bitch about stuff I do it
>> >in the full knowledge that it is a wicked vice, and savor it
>> >accordingly.
>>
>> I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
>> that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
>> you.
>>
>> It's like you're talking to them and it's a nice day and everything,
>> and how's it going. But this is all just pretense. Then they start to
>> unbuckle their trousers and you think "Oh, here comes the point in the
>> conversation like EVERY time I see this person that they take a SHIT
>> on me".
>>
>> "OH but don't you want me to void my bowels?? It's GOOD for me. Thank
>> you for letting me SHIT on you. I hope you don't mind." they say.
>> Never mind that YOU get covered in SHIT.
>>
>> And then some of them have the nerve to say "I hope I"m not SHITTING
>> on you, I hope that I'm not getting you dirty." as they're even
>> covering you in the brown, viscous substance, even though they do it
>> to you EVERY time you see them.
>
> I'll "go" you one better. You ask them not to SHIT on you because you
> don't like being SHIT on, it makes you feel bad; and they are OFFENDED
> because you are being so CRITICAL of them, and they can't say ANYTHING
> without you being CRITICAL, and it's actually YOU who are SHITTING on
> THEM! And if they can't SHIT on you, then what CAN they do? Talk about
> the WEATHER? They are just trying to be THEMSELVES.
Nenslo, you're just shitting yourself.
A.P.
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:36:13 -0700
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>
> I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
> that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
> you.
Yeah, I got that feeling the first time I came onto this board. And I am
still getting. Fancy that! You oh too obvious fuckers.
A.P.
Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch Date: 2 Mar 2005 13:21:24 GMT
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"angelicusrex" wrote in news:38idaiF5laemoU1
@individual.net:
>
>
>>
>> I know what you mean. It's like being around someone, and everytime
>> that you see them they just pull down their pants and take a SHIT on
>> you.
>
>
> Yeah, I got that feeling the first time I came onto this board. And I am
> still getting. Fancy that! You oh too obvious fuckers.
>
> A.P.
>
>
Hey, what do you think that Saran-Wrap I gave you was for? It's a cheap-
yeti's body condom. Anyone who ventures into THIS group without protection
is just beggin for the nuclear shingles.
--
12th Epochalyptic FisTempleDungeon of The Church of Our Lady of Perpetual
Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM
"Yeah yeah. It's all fun and games until someone ingests a quantum
singularity and implodes!!"
-- DJ Epoch
"People from other countries are so goddamned foreign. I hope they stay
where they come from."
-- HellPope Huey
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:34:06 -0700
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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote in message
> Phineas. Your article was thought provoking and well written, and
> started up some back-and-forth that was funny and likewise
> thought-provoking, up until this post. I encourage you to ignore this
> particular World Policeman until he gets a better sense of proportion.
You know, Stang, you could say this to ME, rather than treating me like some
off the wall wannabe. I also gave you my thirty dollars.
I am kind of astounded that this Cult seems to invite people to join, tell
them they are going to be members of something chillingly subversive and
ultra-kool, and then after they try to come here and write something (and no
I am not talking about myself, but the other people Nenslo and Phin tend to
blast out of the water before they even get started...) you guys puree'
their brains with a bunch of really obnoxious dross which is supposed to be
the wit and wisdom of the Church Fathers. Everything you do to hurt others
you rationalize as humor which they are supposed to swallow like a fistfull
of fish hooks!
I am very unhappy with Nenslo. He had not one fucking good reason to ream me
out about Gays. He isn't any more Gay than my big toe. He's got his head up
his ass. I respected him A LOT especially for his artwork, until he opened
his big, fucking vicious mouth and then proceeded not to be able to come up
with anything after I dished some of his medicine out to him. He just had a
brain freeze and started spewing out old Usenet posts. Keerist...maybe he's
a genius in France?
As far as Phin goes, his little article was only about 75 years late. I
think Carl Jung pretty much made the connection between psychiatry and
religion after he met the God Freud. This is nothing new to people who
actually study psychiatry. It is bloody obvious.
Now calling me a "World Policeman" who is now upset because I noticed that
Nenslo and Phin appear in Revelations X is pure D bullshit. You never got to
know me. So you don't know what I think or feel. So who is the one doing the
Church's police work here? Hmmmm? You are the official spokesman, after all.
What you say goes into the archives and those who are on your shit-list do
not last long here. I don't have that kind of power.
And I never hit you up for any money for doing art for a major publication,
nor have I mentioned that some of my work was taken and cut and pasted into
someone else's piece without any credit given to me. Nor did I ever give
permission to have my piece used on any other art. This is called copyright
infringement. But because I love(d) what the Church used to represent and
how intelligent and creative the people in it were, I simply decided, what
the hell. All for the Glory that WAS Bob.
I can't tell if you are even reading this, but I will keep it for the
record.
Just because I can give as good as Nenslo or Phin or Artemia or anyone else
here can, I am suddenly declared persona non grata by you, the Head of the
Church! I noticed you have not answered any of my e-mails to you nor any of
my posts here. I can see that what you do is wait to see if someone treads
on the honor of the Old Ones on the board and then you take their side.
Fine, that makes this a clique, not a Cult. A lot of newbie members complain
of the same thing happening to them. I think this is wrong. You are taking
our money and then turning us out into the Pink World without even a "Fuck
you!"
> Might require patience. He had a piece of artwork in Revelation X, and
> is proud of that, but apparently he has not noticed that Nenslo and you
> have also contributed OH, JUST A WEE SMALL BIT to the overall SubGenius
Actually yes, I've seen and admired their contributions. I learned long ago,
my friend, that personality and art have not one thing to do with one
another. Picasso was a vicious ass. Salvadore Dali was a crazy mother
fucker, Beethoven was a grouchy deaf putz. And Nenslo is a curmudgeon. He
just happened to bring down the wrath of ONE FUCKING MIGHTY FLAMING DEMI-GOD
and REAL YETI. I won't take his or your slights against my subgenius status
lightly. You fuckers HAVE NOT IDEA about me. Not one. Sorry I haven't had
enough money to attend all of your Devivals or send you even more money for
t-shirts and mugs. But I support this damned repugnant Cult everwhere I go!
In my art and my writing. Well, that's ending. I take what happened here as
I take any religion. Someone started with a lot of good ideas, even noble
ones. Then the "interpreters of the Word" get hold of the Church and start
saying who's in and who's out and what is a sin against the Cult and what
isn't. The problem here my friends is this...NOTHING can be a sin against
this Church, because sinnin' is what it is all about. Especially the sin of
iconoclasm! So I toppled a couple of the icon here back to the level they
need to return to, being equal to us other schmuck yetisyn, and now I am a
nobody in your book? I don;t need a thick skin, I need a fucking
biohazard/radiation suit to work this room!
And for your information I am a well published author and a respected,
gallery shown artist. I guess you don;t need members like me though. I was
going to send you some stuff, but fuck it, you and Nenslo would just piss
all over it anyway.
> the Church, and you do not have to worry what some New Old Guy thinks.
Oh, yes he does. Because I am a human being and a MEMBER of this CHURCH. And
if he wants me to respect HIS officious little "world policeman" opinions,
he had best respect mine. Telling me I "suck" several times a day is not a
show of respect. As for me being a policeman, that would mean I had some
authority. I don't. I don't even have a modicum of respect for having
contributed to your book, your church or this group. For doing that, you
fuckers pissed on me. Well thanks, but I know it ain't raining.
> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
> Mentally Killfiled.
Please send this message to Gripey McShitFuck Nenslo and Mr. No Sense of
Humor Phineas immediately, I think you people all need a fucking reality
check. I did NOT start this berating shit. I simply tried to get one fucking
stupid little homophobe to stop spreading his fucking tripe by showing him
up for what he was. Along comes Nenslo to take ME to task? WOT THE FOK???
Then Phin comes along trying to tell me he's doing a Python bit? What the
fuck do you think I am? Dense? (that was a REE-TOR-I-KAL question. No need
to answer...) So I gave them both a piece of my mind. Too bad for them. If
they can't take the heat get them the fuck out of the kitchen...the kitchen
you people created for roasting EVERYONE friend and foe alike, but the sauce
you pour over us doesn't go down too well when it is stuffed down your
craws.
So these two are your good, good friends and noble members of the Church.
Fine. Too bad they are also whiney little fucks who need YOU to fight for
them.
> Nenslo alone can be as Gripey McShitFuck as he pleases -- OR NOT --
> SIMPLY *BECAUSE* HE IS NENMASTER NENSLO.
Then he better be able to take what he dishes out. Plus his flames are Big
McSucks with special Suck sauce, pickles, cheese, onions on a mouldy sesame
seed bun!
And Phineas...needs to be eaten by a Burmese Python and stop making bad
humor then crying about it when only you get the fucking joke! Fucking
whiners! Bob Damn you all to...wherever it is SubGenius apostates go.
Archimandrite Pudlevitcz.
Retired.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:06:16 -0500
--------
In article <38id6eF5lha97U1@individual.net>, angelicusrex
wrote:
> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote in message
>
> > Phineas. Your article was thought provoking and well written, and
> > started up some back-and-forth that was funny and likewise
> > thought-provoking, up until this post. I encourage you to ignore this
> > particular World Policeman until he gets a better sense of proportion.
>
> You know, Stang, you could say this to ME, rather than treating me like some
> off the wall wannabe. I also gave you my thirty dollars.
>
> I am kind of astounded that this Cult seems to invite people to join, tell
> them they are going to be members of something chillingly subversive and
> ultra-kool, and then after they try to come here and write something (and no
> I am not talking about myself, but the other people Nenslo and Phin tend to
> blast out of the water before they even get started...) you guys puree'
> their brains with a bunch of really obnoxious dross which is supposed to be
> the wit and wisdom of the Church Fathers. Everything you do to hurt others
> you rationalize as humor which they are supposed to swallow like a fistfull
> of fish hooks!
>
> I am very unhappy with Nenslo. He had not one fucking good reason to ream me
> out about Gays. He isn't any more Gay than my big toe. He's got his head up
> his ass. I respected him A LOT especially for his artwork, until he opened
> his big, fucking vicious mouth and then proceeded not to be able to come up
> with anything after I dished some of his medicine out to him. He just had a
> brain freeze and started spewing out old Usenet posts. Keerist...maybe he's
> a genius in France?
>
> As far as Phin goes, his little article was only about 75 years late. I
> think Carl Jung pretty much made the connection between psychiatry and
> religion after he met the God Freud. This is nothing new to people who
> actually study psychiatry. It is bloody obvious.
>
> Now calling me a "World Policeman" who is now upset because I noticed that
> Nenslo and Phin appear in Revelations X is pure D bullshit. You never got to
> know me. So you don't know what I think or feel. So who is the one doing the
> Church's police work here? Hmmmm? You are the official spokesman, after all.
> What you say goes into the archives and those who are on your shit-list do
> not last long here. I don't have that kind of power.
>
> And I never hit you up for any money for doing art for a major publication,
> nor have I mentioned that some of my work was taken and cut and pasted into
> someone else's piece without any credit given to me. Nor did I ever give
> permission to have my piece used on any other art. This is called copyright
> infringement. But because I love(d) what the Church used to represent and
> how intelligent and creative the people in it were, I simply decided, what
> the hell. All for the Glory that WAS Bob.
>
> I can't tell if you are even reading this, but I will keep it for the
> record.
>
> Just because I can give as good as Nenslo or Phin or Artemia or anyone else
> here can, I am suddenly declared persona non grata by you, the Head of the
> Church! I noticed you have not answered any of my e-mails to you nor any of
> my posts here. I can see that what you do is wait to see if someone treads
> on the honor of the Old Ones on the board and then you take their side.
> Fine, that makes this a clique, not a Cult. A lot of newbie members complain
> of the same thing happening to them. I think this is wrong. You are taking
> our money and then turning us out into the Pink World without even a "Fuck
> you!"
>
> > Might require patience. He had a piece of artwork in Revelation X, and
> > is proud of that, but apparently he has not noticed that Nenslo and you
> > have also contributed OH, JUST A WEE SMALL BIT to the overall SubGenius
>
> Actually yes, I've seen and admired their contributions. I learned long ago,
> my friend, that personality and art have not one thing to do with one
> another. Picasso was a vicious ass. Salvadore Dali was a crazy mother
> fucker, Beethoven was a grouchy deaf putz. And Nenslo is a curmudgeon. He
> just happened to bring down the wrath of ONE FUCKING MIGHTY FLAMING DEMI-GOD
> and REAL YETI. I won't take his or your slights against my subgenius status
> lightly. You fuckers HAVE NOT IDEA about me. Not one. Sorry I haven't had
> enough money to attend all of your Devivals or send you even more money for
> t-shirts and mugs. But I support this damned repugnant Cult everwhere I go!
> In my art and my writing. Well, that's ending. I take what happened here as
> I take any religion. Someone started with a lot of good ideas, even noble
> ones. Then the "interpreters of the Word" get hold of the Church and start
> saying who's in and who's out and what is a sin against the Cult and what
> isn't. The problem here my friends is this...NOTHING can be a sin against
> this Church, because sinnin' is what it is all about. Especially the sin of
> iconoclasm! So I toppled a couple of the icon here back to the level they
> need to return to, being equal to us other schmuck yetisyn, and now I am a
> nobody in your book? I don;t need a thick skin, I need a fucking
> biohazard/radiation suit to work this room!
>
> And for your information I am a well published author and a respected,
> gallery shown artist. I guess you don;t need members like me though. I was
> going to send you some stuff, but fuck it, you and Nenslo would just piss
> all over it anyway.
>
> > the Church, and you do not have to worry what some New Old Guy thinks.
>
> Oh, yes he does. Because I am a human being and a MEMBER of this CHURCH. And
> if he wants me to respect HIS officious little "world policeman" opinions,
> he had best respect mine. Telling me I "suck" several times a day is not a
> show of respect. As for me being a policeman, that would mean I had some
> authority. I don't. I don't even have a modicum of respect for having
> contributed to your book, your church or this group. For doing that, you
> fuckers pissed on me. Well thanks, but I know it ain't raining.
>
> > It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
> > break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
> > Mentally Killfiled.
>
> Please send this message to Gripey McShitFuck Nenslo and Mr. No Sense of
> Humor Phineas immediately, I think you people all need a fucking reality
> check. I did NOT start this berating shit. I simply tried to get one fucking
> stupid little homophobe to stop spreading his fucking tripe by showing him
> up for what he was. Along comes Nenslo to take ME to task? WOT THE FOK???
> Then Phin comes along trying to tell me he's doing a Python bit? What the
> fuck do you think I am? Dense? (that was a REE-TOR-I-KAL question. No need
> to answer...) So I gave them both a piece of my mind. Too bad for them. If
> they can't take the heat get them the fuck out of the kitchen...the kitchen
> you people created for roasting EVERYONE friend and foe alike, but the sauce
> you pour over us doesn't go down too well when it is stuffed down your
> craws.
>
> So these two are your good, good friends and noble members of the Church.
> Fine. Too bad they are also whiney little fucks who need YOU to fight for
> them.
>
> > Nenslo alone can be as Gripey McShitFuck as he pleases -- OR NOT --
> > SIMPLY *BECAUSE* HE IS NENMASTER NENSLO.
>
> Then he better be able to take what he dishes out. Plus his flames are Big
> McSucks with special Suck sauce, pickles, cheese, onions on a mouldy sesame
> seed bun!
>
> And Phineas...needs to be eaten by a Burmese Python and stop making bad
> humor then crying about it when only you get the fucking joke! Fucking
> whiners! Bob Damn you all to...wherever it is SubGenius apostates go.
>
> Archimandrite Pudlevitcz.
>
> Retired.
>
Dude must have LOTS of spare time.
No need for everybody to crowd around and thank me. No, no, please
don't hoist me atop your shoulders and parade me down the streets
tossing confetti and blowing horns. No, seriously, please, folks, it
was nothing, really.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: "Rev. Richard Skull" Date: 1 Mar 2005 07:37:11 -0800
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Dude must have LOTS of spare time.
No need for everybody to crowd around and thank me. No, no, please
don't hoist me atop your shoulders and parade me down the streets
tossing confetti and blowing horns. No, seriously, please, folks, it
was nothing, really.
Can we at least throw money?
Correspondent:: "Paul E. Jamison" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:35:18 -0600
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"Rev. Richard Skull" wrote in message
news:1109691431.398209.248370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Dude must have LOTS of spare time.
>
> No need for everybody to crowd around and thank me. No, no, please
> don't hoist me atop your shoulders and parade me down the streets
> tossing confetti and blowing horns. No, seriously, please, folks, it
> was nothing, really.
>
> Can we at least throw money?
>
Don't we do that already?
Paul
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:44:46 -0500
--------
In article , Paul E. Jamison
wrote:
> "Rev. Richard Skull" wrote in message
> news:1109691431.398209.248370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Dude must have LOTS of spare time.
> >
> > No need for everybody to crowd around and thank me. No, no, please
> > don't hoist me atop your shoulders and parade me down the streets
> > tossing confetti and blowing horns. No, seriously, please, folks, it
> > was nothing, really.
> >
> > Can we at least throw money?
> >
> Don't we do that already?
>
Forget it... I spoke too soon. Sure enough, he was j'lahning about
"retiring." I'll probably be hearing for weeks about how judgemental I
am.
He COULD just "dry out," "come down" so to speak and admit he kinda
flew off the handle over nothing. Not like I haven't had to do that. In
fact I can remember a couple of times when I was almost THAT mad at
Nenslo. Nothing hurts like a Nensletic truth, except possibly a
Nenslized TOOTH.
Anyway, back to psychiatry as a secular religion. I ordered 400 of
those black Church buttons that come in the Membership pack today.
First time I've called Ephemera in YEARS. They've been around as long
as we have. Gave me a good deal.
That Dobbshead on that button? That's all the psychiatrist you need.
Then I called Simon and Schuster's order dept. for the first time in 10
years. They've changed all the author-ordering situation... and little
did I know until now, I CAN GET "BOOK OF THE SUBGENIUS" for HALF cover
price! That's BETTER than wholesale. I don't know WHAT the fuck we were
thinking before. For awhile there Last Gasp was a cheaper source than
S&S! Anyway I should have those back in the catalog soon.
And that BOOK is the only LITHIUM you need! In fact it's just that SPOT
you're supposed to lick on that one page, that has all the lithium you
need.
Shit, wasn't I supposed to be paying bills or something?
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:01:48 +1100
--------
> Then I called Simon and Schuster's order dept. for the first time in 10
> years. They've changed all the author-ordering situation... and little
> did I know until now, I CAN GET "BOOK OF THE SUBGENIUS" for HALF cover
> price! That's BETTER than wholesale.
so you buy them, from yourself, at half-price, then sell them to US at a
markup. i think you've just solved the current account deficit problem.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:16:06 -0800
--------
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:01:48 +1100, nikolai kingsley
wrote:
>
>> Then I called Simon and Schuster's order dept. for the first time in 10
>> years. They've changed all the author-ordering situation... and little
>> did I know until now, I CAN GET "BOOK OF THE SUBGENIUS" for HALF cover
>> price! That's BETTER than wholesale.
>
>
>
>so you buy them, from yourself, at half-price, then sell them to US at a
>markup. i think you've just solved the current account deficit problem.
well if he is making more money on each one than what it costs him,
and if he sets it up so that if he BUYS one he's SELLING the same one,
then it seems like he just needs to sell one to himself and he makes
an infinite amount of money.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Forgiveness does not mean ignoring what has been done or putting a
false label on an evil act. It means, rather, that the evil act no
longer remains as a barrier to the relationship."
-- Martin Luther King Jr., American clergyman, civil rights
leader, Nobel laureate
Correspondent:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 2 Mar 2005 09:10:09 -0800
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
(snip)
> Then I called Simon and Schuster's order dept. for the first time in
10
> years. They've changed all the author-ordering situation... and
little
> did I know until now, I CAN GET "BOOK OF THE SUBGENIUS" for HALF
cover
> price! That's BETTER than wholesale. I don't know WHAT the fuck we
were
> thinking before. For awhile there Last Gasp was a cheaper source than
> S&S! Anyway I should have those back in the catalog soon.
Ummm... Stang, book wholesalers and book chains can normally get your
book for up to 55% off cover price. Plain old indie booksellers can get
'em for 46% to 55%, depending on their overall purchasing volume and/or
sales promotions...
Special classes of wholesalers can get as much as 60% off
(non-returnable).
Check your royalty statements.
BUT... if they only give you 50% off, that means you might be paying
royalties to YOURSELF... and that is a vortex of Slack.
Try getting the CotSG mail order COMPANY set up as a "Special Sales"
account for the S & S books... apart from yourself as an author and
your author discount. S & S DEFINITELY has a Special Sales department.
You may have to keep stock of the books on hand. Ask for (and get) 60%
non-returnable, 90 days net and free freight.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:20:07 -0500
--------
In article <1109783409.045738.271590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
frater S.O.D.D.I. wrote:
> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > Then I called Simon and Schuster's order dept. for the first time in
> 10
> > years. They've changed all the author-ordering situation... and
> little
> > did I know until now, I CAN GET "BOOK OF THE SUBGENIUS" for HALF
> cover
> > price! That's BETTER than wholesale. I don't know WHAT the fuck we
> were
> > thinking before. For awhile there Last Gasp was a cheaper source than
> > S&S! Anyway I should have those back in the catalog soon.
>
>
> Ummm... Stang, book wholesalers and book chains can normally get your
> book for up to 55% off cover price. Plain old indie booksellers can get
> 'em for 46% to 55%, depending on their overall purchasing volume and/or
> sales promotions...
>
> Special classes of wholesalers can get as much as 60% off
> (non-returnable).
>
> Check your royalty statements.
>
> BUT... if they only give you 50% off, that means you might be paying
> royalties to YOURSELF... and that is a vortex of Slack.
>
> Try getting the CotSG mail order COMPANY set up as a "Special Sales"
> account for the S & S books... apart from yourself as an author and
> your author discount. S & S DEFINITELY has a Special Sales department.
> You may have to keep stock of the books on hand. Ask for (and get) 60%
> non-returnable, 90 days net and free freight.
>
Thank for the knowledgeable suggestion!
Best we were ever able to get from that side of S&S was 40% off, at the
quantities we were ordering. We never have much up front for big
advance build-up of stock. We were getting a much better deal from a
wholesaler, but the wholesaler has been saying they're backordered for
months whereas when I called S&S myself (for the first time in years
actually) they said they could ship immediately. I might still GET my 7
backordered copies from that wholesaler someday.
This might not be the best way to do it, but with all the other stuff
on my plate it was the easiest this time around.
I wasn't the one dealing with suppliers for the last few years and
things have CHANGED out there in the world! However I bend like a reed
in the wind and go with the flow and all like that, until the next
one-sandaled man appears to be Full Time SubGenius Business Manager.
Maybe it'll be Buddha or Muhammad next. Jesus is still standing by to
work Miracles when necessary but He sadly needed a fuckload more money
than the Church could provide, due to important God-Junior, Junior
-related property rights. So I'm the Jesus, the Magdalen, the Stang AND
the Nickie, now. However I'm making much more than I did before, since
I'm raking in ALL their huge paychecks.
Mwuah-ha-ha!! ((Wrings hands together greedily))
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 3 Mar 2005 12:10:53 -0800
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> In article <1109783409.045738.271590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> frater S.O.D.D.I. wrote:
>
(snip)
> > Try getting the CotSG mail order COMPANY set up as a "Special
Sales"
> > account for the S & S books... apart from yourself as an author and
> > your author discount. S & S DEFINITELY has a Special Sales
department.
> > You may have to keep stock of the books on hand. Ask for (and get)
60%
> > non-returnable, 90 days net and free freight.
> >
>
> Thank for the knowledgeable suggestion!
>
> Best we were ever able to get from that side of S&S was 40% off, at
the
> quantities we were ordering. We never have much up front for big
> advance build-up of stock. We were getting a much better deal from a
> wholesaler, but the wholesaler has been saying they're backordered
for
> months whereas when I called S&S myself (for the first time in years
> actually) they said they could ship immediately. I might still GET my
7
> backordered copies from that wholesaler someday.
>
> This might not be the best way to do it, but with all the other stuff
> on my plate it was the easiest this time around.
>
> I wasn't the one dealing with suppliers for the last few years and
> things have CHANGED out there in the world! However I bend like a
reed
> in the wind and go with the flow and all like that, until the next
> one-sandaled man appears to be Full Time SubGenius Business Manager.
> Maybe it'll be Buddha or Muhammad next. Jesus is still standing by to
> work Miracles when necessary but He sadly needed a fuckload more
money
> than the Church could provide, due to important God-Junior, Junior
> -related property rights. So I'm the Jesus, the Magdalen, the Stang
AND
> the Nickie, now. However I'm making much more than I did before,
since
> I'm raking in ALL their huge paychecks.
>
If you need expert help in this particular matter, either me or the
girl will be glad to help.
Is it not our Churchly duty to help other Yetisyni get over on the Con?
Correspondent:: purple Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:50:23 -0500
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Archi, you're 100 per cent right, but you fail to understand that the
present medium has no content.
Neither does twentieth century ART.
But be happy to know that Doug doesn't get it either.
The Great Bob Dobbs
On 3/1/05 9:06 AM, in article 010320050906160226%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com,
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> In article <38id6eF5lha97U1@individual.net>, angelicusrex
> wrote:
>
>> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote in message
>>
>>> Phineas. Your article was thought provoking and well written, and
>>> started up some back-and-forth that was funny and likewise
>>> thought-provoking, up until this post. I encourage you to ignore this
>>> particular World Policeman until he gets a better sense of proportion.
>>
>> You know, Stang, you could say this to ME, rather than treating me like some
>> off the wall wannabe. I also gave you my thirty dollars.
>>
>> I am kind of astounded that this Cult seems to invite people to join, tell
>> them they are going to be members of something chillingly subversive and
>> ultra-kool, and then after they try to come here and write something (and no
>> I am not talking about myself, but the other people Nenslo and Phin tend to
>> blast out of the water before they even get started...) you guys puree'
>> their brains with a bunch of really obnoxious dross which is supposed to be
>> the wit and wisdom of the Church Fathers. Everything you do to hurt others
>> you rationalize as humor which they are supposed to swallow like a fistfull
>> of fish hooks!
>>
>> I am very unhappy with Nenslo. He had not one fucking good reason to ream me
>> out about Gays. He isn't any more Gay than my big toe. He's got his head up
>> his ass. I respected him A LOT especially for his artwork, until he opened
>> his big, fucking vicious mouth and then proceeded not to be able to come up
>> with anything after I dished some of his medicine out to him. He just had a
>> brain freeze and started spewing out old Usenet posts. Keerist...maybe he's
>> a genius in France?
>>
>> As far as Phin goes, his little article was only about 75 years late. I
>> think Carl Jung pretty much made the connection between psychiatry and
>> religion after he met the God Freud. This is nothing new to people who
>> actually study psychiatry. It is bloody obvious.
>>
>> Now calling me a "World Policeman" who is now upset because I noticed that
>> Nenslo and Phin appear in Revelations X is pure D bullshit. You never got to
>> know me. So you don't know what I think or feel. So who is the one doing the
>> Church's police work here? Hmmmm? You are the official spokesman, after all.
>> What you say goes into the archives and those who are on your shit-list do
>> not last long here. I don't have that kind of power.
>>
>> And I never hit you up for any money for doing art for a major publication,
>> nor have I mentioned that some of my work was taken and cut and pasted into
>> someone else's piece without any credit given to me. Nor did I ever give
>> permission to have my piece used on any other art. This is called copyright
>> infringement. But because I love(d) what the Church used to represent and
>> how intelligent and creative the people in it were, I simply decided, what
>> the hell. All for the Glory that WAS Bob.
>>
>> I can't tell if you are even reading this, but I will keep it for the
>> record.
>>
>> Just because I can give as good as Nenslo or Phin or Artemia or anyone else
>> here can, I am suddenly declared persona non grata by you, the Head of the
>> Church! I noticed you have not answered any of my e-mails to you nor any of
>> my posts here. I can see that what you do is wait to see if someone treads
>> on the honor of the Old Ones on the board and then you take their side.
>> Fine, that makes this a clique, not a Cult. A lot of newbie members complain
>> of the same thing happening to them. I think this is wrong. You are taking
>> our money and then turning us out into the Pink World without even a "Fuck
>> you!"
>>
>>> Might require patience. He had a piece of artwork in Revelation X, and
>>> is proud of that, but apparently he has not noticed that Nenslo and you
>>> have also contributed OH, JUST A WEE SMALL BIT to the overall SubGenius
>>
>> Actually yes, I've seen and admired their contributions. I learned long ago,
>> my friend, that personality and art have not one thing to do with one
>> another. Picasso was a vicious ass. Salvadore Dali was a crazy mother
>> fucker, Beethoven was a grouchy deaf putz. And Nenslo is a curmudgeon. He
>> just happened to bring down the wrath of ONE FUCKING MIGHTY FLAMING DEMI-GOD
>> and REAL YETI. I won't take his or your slights against my subgenius status
>> lightly. You fuckers HAVE NOT IDEA about me. Not one. Sorry I haven't had
>> enough money to attend all of your Devivals or send you even more money for
>> t-shirts and mugs. But I support this damned repugnant Cult everwhere I go!
>> In my art and my writing. Well, that's ending. I take what happened here as
>> I take any religion. Someone started with a lot of good ideas, even noble
>> ones. Then the "interpreters of the Word" get hold of the Church and start
>> saying who's in and who's out and what is a sin against the Cult and what
>> isn't. The problem here my friends is this...NOTHING can be a sin against
>> this Church, because sinnin' is what it is all about. Especially the sin of
>> iconoclasm! So I toppled a couple of the icon here back to the level they
>> need to return to, being equal to us other schmuck yetisyn, and now I am a
>> nobody in your book? I don;t need a thick skin, I need a fucking
>> biohazard/radiation suit to work this room!
>>
>> And for your information I am a well published author and a respected,
>> gallery shown artist. I guess you don;t need members like me though. I was
>> going to send you some stuff, but fuck it, you and Nenslo would just piss
>> all over it anyway.
>>
>>> the Church, and you do not have to worry what some New Old Guy thinks.
>>
>> Oh, yes he does. Because I am a human being and a MEMBER of this CHURCH. And
>> if he wants me to respect HIS officious little "world policeman" opinions,
>> he had best respect mine. Telling me I "suck" several times a day is not a
>> show of respect. As for me being a policeman, that would mean I had some
>> authority. I don't. I don't even have a modicum of respect for having
>> contributed to your book, your church or this group. For doing that, you
>> fuckers pissed on me. Well thanks, but I know it ain't raining.
>>
>>> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
>>> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
>>> Mentally Killfiled.
>>
>> Please send this message to Gripey McShitFuck Nenslo and Mr. No Sense of
>> Humor Phineas immediately, I think you people all need a fucking reality
>> check. I did NOT start this berating shit. I simply tried to get one fucking
>> stupid little homophobe to stop spreading his fucking tripe by showing him
>> up for what he was. Along comes Nenslo to take ME to task? WOT THE FOK???
>> Then Phin comes along trying to tell me he's doing a Python bit? What the
>> fuck do you think I am? Dense? (that was a REE-TOR-I-KAL question. No need
>> to answer...) So I gave them both a piece of my mind. Too bad for them. If
>> they can't take the heat get them the fuck out of the kitchen...the kitchen
>> you people created for roasting EVERYONE friend and foe alike, but the sauce
>> you pour over us doesn't go down too well when it is stuffed down your
>> craws.
>>
>> So these two are your good, good friends and noble members of the Church.
>> Fine. Too bad they are also whiney little fucks who need YOU to fight for
>> them.
>>
>>> Nenslo alone can be as Gripey McShitFuck as he pleases -- OR NOT --
>>> SIMPLY *BECAUSE* HE IS NENMASTER NENSLO.
>>
>> Then he better be able to take what he dishes out. Plus his flames are Big
>> McSucks with special Suck sauce, pickles, cheese, onions on a mouldy sesame
>> seed bun!
>>
>> And Phineas...needs to be eaten by a Burmese Python and stop making bad
>> humor then crying about it when only you get the fucking joke! Fucking
>> whiners! Bob Damn you all to...wherever it is SubGenius apostates go.
>>
>> Archimandrite Pudlevitcz.
>>
>> Retired.
>>
>
> Dude must have LOTS of spare time.
>
> No need for everybody to crowd around and thank me. No, no, please
> don't hoist me atop your shoulders and parade me down the streets
> tossing confetti and blowing horns. No, seriously, please, folks, it
> was nothing, really.
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:49:14 -0700
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> Dude must have LOTS of spare time.
Apparently not enough to answer your spectacularly long posts.
>folks, it
> was nothing, really.
Yes. I know.
A.P.
Correspondent:: purple Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:46:01 -0500
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On 3/1/05 9:06 AM, in article 010320050906160226%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com,
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>>> It's when somebody REMAINS in that Gripey McShitFuck mode without a
>>> break -- WITHOUT BEING FUNNY -- that they join the ranks of the
>>> Mentally Killfiled.
AHA!! The methodology for out-Menippeanizing the pink Menippean Phatic
(all's we got here on this ng). It works - the escape velocity that
collapses the weekend variety of Gripey McShitFuck - i.e., no staying power,
thanks to the Achilles heel of the American's sentimental dependence on a
"sense of humor".
The point is we drive them into the killfile mode - the dark bin of media
ecology, last refuge of Burroughs and his slackless progeny.
It's essentially a kind of reverse paramedia meecology (yes, meecology) -
brought to you by me since Feb.5/6, 2001.