So Long Hunter
Correspondent:: DrPostman
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:56:41 GMT
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Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
culture of the 60s:
"This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around
America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a
thought to the meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the
people that took him seriously. After West Point and Priesthood, LSD
must have seemed perfectly logical to him... but there is not much
satisfaction in knowing that he blew it very badly for himself,
because he took too many others down with him.
Not that he didn't deserve it: No doubt they all Got What Was
Coming To Them. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought
they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But
their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
that Light at the end of the tunnel."
- Hunter S. Thompson
--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"Fart for freedom, fart for liberty, and fart proudly."
-Benjamin Franklin
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:30:08 -0700
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DrPostman wrote:
>
> Shot himself at the age of 67.
I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
are going to find tumor city.
In fact, we can pretty well count on the next decade
or two, a whole s-load of the hard corps experimenter
types keeling over with bad livers and the Big C.
--
"Money can't buy you happiness,
but when you're poor, you can't
buy shit, and nobody will loan
you happiness."
--nu-monet
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:25:13 GMT
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In article <421A8B20.62E6@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> DrPostman wrote:
> >
> > Shot himself at the age of 67.
>
> I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
> are going to find tumor city.
> In fact, we can pretty well count on the next decade
> or two, a whole s-load of the hard corps experimenter
> types keeling over with bad livers and the Big C.
So start a list of SubGenius buttholes whom you think are in the
running. Make my day. Start a betting pool. Get a side thing going on
how much better or worse the group would get if only that fucker ___
would die. Do a sliding percentage gig, run numbers, make little side
payoffs any time one of the old silverbacks coughs, takes on a new med
or has a colonoscopy. I've done all three in the last few months, how
much am I bid for a big fat dead HellPope? Anybody want a small lesion
in a baby food jar?
I could prime the pump, but I am too sweet and modest and would not
want to hurt anyone's feeeeeelings. DIE MONSTER DIE!
--
HellPope Huey ~ www.subgenius.com
I was Elvis in my previous life,
but I'm still porky and pilled-up in this one, too
"If you find yourself in a fight, never strike first,
but when you hit back, hit back hard.
Pick your time and place and nuke 'em.
Do not worry about making enemies.
The right enemy will be a sign
that you're growing up and that God loves you."
- Roger Rosenblatt
"Its either just a crack in the driveway
or the Chinese are finally making their move."
- "King of the Hill"
Correspondent:: mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:51:26 -0800
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> much am I bid for a big fat dead HellPope? Anybody want a small lesion
five thousand quatloos
on 23 may
with a point spread of 17
arf meow arf
cthulu loves you
he loves the little children
with ketchup please
Correspondent:: DrPostman
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:06:29 GMT
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:25:13 GMT, HellPope Huey
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>In article <421A8B20.62E6@succeeds.com>,
> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
>> DrPostman wrote:
>> >
>> > Shot himself at the age of 67.
>>
>> I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
>> are going to find tumor city.
>> In fact, we can pretty well count on the next decade
>> or two, a whole s-load of the hard corps experimenter
>> types keeling over with bad livers and the Big C.
>
> So start a list of SubGenius buttholes whom you think are in the
>running. Make my day. Start a betting pool. Get a side thing going on
>how much better or worse the group would get if only that fucker ___
>would die. Do a sliding percentage gig, run numbers, make little side
>payoffs any time one of the old silverbacks coughs, takes on a new med
>or has a colonoscopy. I've done all three in the last few months, how
>much am I bid for a big fat dead HellPope? Anybody want a small lesion
>in a baby food jar?
>
> I could prime the pump, but I am too sweet and modest and would not
>want to hurt anyone's feeeeeelings. DIE MONSTER DIE!
Bob doesn't love you?
--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"Fart for freedom, fart for liberty, and fart proudly."
-Benjamin Franklin
Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Meow!"
Date: 23 Feb 2005 21:24:40 -0800
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'Balk Out!' tried the exact same thing on me and Look What Happened...
Not a gardanblanged thing.
And now...
Film At Eleven...
'Balk Out!' appears to be the Dead One, not I&i&eye^3...
OIL WELLS!
DUHbyas sorry-assed 'wave of DUH Future'.
whatever.
NUKE 'EM ALL!
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino"
Date: 21 Feb 2005 21:15:29 -0800
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>I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
are going to find tumor city.
I have a feeling that we should all gang up, hijack his corpse, pack up
the pipes and SMOKE HIS CARCAS. We'd get high as shit!
I think he would have wanted it that way.
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino"
Date: 21 Feb 2005 21:42:30 -0800
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>I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
are going to find tumor city.
I have a feeling that we should all gang up, hijack his corpse, pack up
the pipes and SMOKE HIS CARCAS. We'd get high as shit!
I think he would have wanted it that way.
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:25:45 GMT
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:30:08 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
>DrPostman wrote:
>>
>> Shot himself at the age of 67.
>
>I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
>are going to find tumor city.
More likely about 89 bags of dope he swallowed
in 1971 ...
>In fact, we can pretty well count on the next decade
>or two, a whole s-load of the hard corps experimenter
>types keeling over with bad livers and the Big C.
Why is there an assumption that simply because a
substance has a profound effect on brain synaptic
function that it MUST be 'powerful' in a general,
toxic, sense ?
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:00:12 -0700
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BlackWater wrote:
>
> Why is there an assumption that simply because a
> substance has a profound effect on brain synaptic
> function that it MUST be 'powerful' in a general,
> toxic, sense ?
Well, there are some 200+ known brain chemicals, 50
or so liver chemicals, an s-load of known chemical
reactions that go on in the body, and a remarkably
fragile hormonal balance.
Simple little alcohol, alone, screws up most of it
in some way or another. Synthetics confuse the shit
out of it. Complex organics are just asking for
trouble.
Remember that a lot of natural drugs are created by
their respective plant or animal as toxins, to
dissuade other critters from eating them. And they
have to be powerful enough to overcome that critters
extreme hunger. And they've been at it for hundreds
of millions of years.
Last but not least, Jolly Roger there made it a point
to suck down unnaturally large quantities of these
things, and over a long period of time. Hell, if you
did that with table salt it would mess you up.
--
"Money can't buy you happiness,
but when you're poor, you can't
buy shit, and nobody will loan
you happiness."
--nu-monet
Correspondent:: Olaf Timandahaff
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:31:13 -0500
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In<421B48FC.279D@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0 dropped this bomb:
> BlackWater wrote:
>>
>> Why is there an assumption that simply because a
>> substance has a profound effect on brain synaptic
>> function that it MUST be 'powerful' in a general,
>> toxic, sense ?
>
> Well, there are some 200+ known brain chemicals, 50
> or so liver chemicals, an s-load of known chemical
> reactions that go on in the body, and a remarkably
> fragile hormonal balance.
>
> Simple little alcohol, alone, screws up most of it
> in some way or another. Synthetics confuse the shit
> out of it. Complex organics are just asking for
> trouble.
>
> Remember that a lot of natural drugs are created by
> their respective plant or animal as toxins, to
> dissuade other critters from eating them. And they
> have to be powerful enough to overcome that critters
> extreme hunger. And they've been at it for hundreds
> of millions of years.
>
> Last but not least, Jolly Roger there made it a point
> to suck down unnaturally large quantities of these
> things, and over a long period of time. Hell, if you
> did that with table salt it would mess you up.
I hope you are wrong for my sake.
oh wait! als?
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:41:14 GMT
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:00:12 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
>BlackWater wrote:
>>
>> Why is there an assumption that simply because a
>> substance has a profound effect on brain synaptic
>> function that it MUST be 'powerful' in a general,
>> toxic, sense ?
>
>Well, there are some 200+ known brain chemicals, 50
>or so liver chemicals, an s-load of known chemical
>reactions that go on in the body, and a remarkably
>fragile hormonal balance.
Ummmm ... not always so 'fragile'. Terrific insults
are often shrugged-off.
>Simple little alcohol, alone, screws up most of it
>in some way or another. Synthetics confuse the shit
>out of it. Complex organics are just asking for
>trouble.
Amazing how 'sanity' is really balanced on the
head of a pin, isn't it ? Even the slightest
misbalance and all that IQ is for naught.
Something for the electronic-intelligence folks
to keep in mind ...
>Remember that a lot of natural drugs are created by
>their respective plant or animal as toxins, to
>dissuade other critters from eating them.
A very efficient use of the plants energy. Why
invest in large quantities of low-strength
dissuaders when you can make tiny amounts of
ultra-strong dissuaders for a fraction of the
energy cost ?
>And they
>have to be powerful enough to overcome that critters
>extreme hunger. And they've been at it for hundreds
>of millions of years.
There are certain weak points in animals biochemistry.
Tiny amounts of otherwise inoccuous compounds can
throw us for a loop IF they're aimed at those weak
points. Mammalian serotonin and dopamine pathways
are such 'weak points' - but just because said toxins
exert a huge effect on our conscious experience does
not mean they have ANY physically detrimental effects
at all beyond temporalily messing up our mental
organization.
>Last but not least, Jolly Roger there made it a point
>to suck down unnaturally large quantities of these
>things, and over a long period of time. Hell, if you
>did that with table salt it would mess you up.
Yep.
Actually, aside from the odd 'freak-out' case, the
problems with psychedelics seem to stem from how
much time people spend intoxicated with such things.
'Reality' is something we judge from experience.
Most of us have a large 'experience bank' to draw
upon when we're making new judgements. Now if some
idiot has spent most of the last 25 years buzzing
on LSD or whatever, his 'experience bank' is now
brimming with questionable material. When he has
to make a decision - what's his point of reference ?
Something real, or some hallucination-tinged fantasy ?
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:41:49 -0500
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In article <421A8B20.62E6@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
wrote:
> DrPostman wrote:
> >
> > Shot himself at the age of 67.
>
> I have a feeling that when they cut him open, they
> are going to find tumor city.
>
> In fact, we can pretty well count on the next decade
> or two, a whole s-load of the hard corps experimenter
> types keeling over with bad livers and the Big C.
Gosh! If Tim Leary, Terence McKenna and Ken Kesey were all to die now,
I'd start thinking that maybe all those drugs WEREN'T such a great idea
after all! Jeepers!
Just thinking about it makes me want a Vicodin.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:57:15 -0700
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> Gosh! If Tim Leary, Terence McKenna and Ken Kesey
> were all to die now, I'd start thinking that maybe
> all those drugs WEREN'T such a great idea after all!
> Jeepers!
>
> Just thinking about it makes me want a Vicodin.
You've heard of medical age "windows"? That is, if you
are of a certain age and sex, and maybe race and other
factors, you are in the "window" for certain diseases
and disfunctions. Well, if you're from pre-natal to old
age, you are probably in several "windows" at the same
time.
I mention this because a lot of the sins of youth, such
as alcohol, drugs, sun tanning, cigarette smoking, polio,
chickenpox, anorexia, etc. etc., all start coming in to
play when you are in your 50's, 60's, 70's and up.
For example, let's say that as a kid, you spent a lot
of time in the sun, getting nice and tan. However, that
fat, pale neighbor kid whose parents kept him inside
practicing violin all day, and wouldn't let him out
without long sleeves, a hat *and* sunscreen, is going to
have a HELL of a lot less chance to develop melanoma than
you, even though it's 40 years later. However, you are a
poster child for skin cancer.
It really does matter what happened to you in your youth,
even though you have been living inside a dark room ever
since, playing with clay; while that neighbor kid has
been working in the sun in a cotton field of a federal
penitentiary for 40 years after having brutally murdered
his parents with an axe.
But the same rule applies to other things: kids who got
a bad case of chickenpox then get shingles now, and kids
who did a whole bunch of drugs then get a bad liver and
the big C now.
Combined with all the other stuff they did, like binge
drinking, repeated infections with venereal disease, and
that ol' devil tobacco, tend to gang up on you and Sandra
Dee, Carlos Castaneda and prolly Hunter Thompson.
Only "Bob" can save you now.
--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet
Correspondent:: Legume
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:00:45 -0600
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> Just thinking about it makes me want a Vicodin.
I got a big bottle of those waiting for me at Walgreen's right now from my
present medical condition. In a few more weeks I get to join you and Huey
in the colonoscopy club.
Funny thing is, it's all the PINK shit that's tearing me up, all the
cheeseburgers and other bad aspects of the American diet...it doesn't seem
like the DRUGS have had any ill effects at all on me.
Reckon y'all had best add me to Huey's dead pool.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:16:01 GMT
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In article ,
Legume wrote:
> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> > Just thinking about it makes me want a Vicodin.
>
> I got a big bottle of those waiting for me at Walgreen's right now from my
> present medical condition. In a few more weeks I get to join you and Huey
> in the colonoscopy club.
> Funny thing is, it's all the PINK shit that's tearing me up, all the
> cheeseburgers and other bad aspects of the American diet...it doesn't seem
> like the DRUGS have had any ill effects at all on me.
> Reckon y'all had best add me to Huey's dead pool.
Okay, but please take a bath first, you vicious brute; I don't want no
SCUM left floatin' on the top-like last time. The stench was bad enough,
but the raven peckin' at your right eye so your Odin-gig would be more
convincing peppered the place with mites that made a mess of my
foreskin.
--
HellPope Huey
If you can read this,
you're online too damned much
and Big Ronda sends her love
You only have power over people
so long as you don't take everything away from them.
But when you've robbed a man of everything,
he's no longer in your power- he's free again.
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The First Circle"
"We're almost too drunk to use power tools."
- "King of the Hill"
Correspondent:: Eddie Vroom
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:54:01 GMT
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DrPostman wrote:
> their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
> the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
> a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
> understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
> desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
> that Light at the end of the tunnel."
> - Hunter S. Thompson
Reminds me of that old Star Trek episode where there's a "generation
ship" -- an asteroid where the inhabitants have long ago lost any notion
that they're on a gigantic spaceship. The ship's computer is
malfunctioning, and they're all cruising at top speed to their firey
doom, as a star lays in their path.
I just might get that tattooed on my ass someday...
--
How's this for a punchline: I wasn't joking, motherfucker!
the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor Eddie Vroom
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004
Correspondent:: "In my evolving opinion"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:45:03 -0800
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"Eddie Vroom" wrote in message
news:d9xSd.4075$OU1.721@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
: DrPostman wrote:
:
: > their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
: > the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
: > a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
: > understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
: > desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
: > that Light at the end of the tunnel."
: > - Hunter S. Thompson
:
: Reminds me of that old Star Trek episode where there's a "generation
: ship" -- an asteroid where the inhabitants have long ago lost any notion
: that they're on a gigantic spaceship. The ship's computer is
: malfunctioning, and they're all cruising at top speed to their firey
: doom, as a star lays in their path.
:
: I just might get that tattooed on my ass someday...
It's hard to read things if you are too close to them.
Just kidding. : -)
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:38:20 GMT
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:56:41 GMT, DrPostman
wrote:
>Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
>what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
>soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
>culture of the 60s:
>
>"This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around
>America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a
>thought to the meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the
>people that took him seriously. After West Point and Priesthood, LSD
>must have seemed perfectly logical to him... but there is not much
>satisfaction in knowing that he blew it very badly for himself,
>because he took too many others down with him.
>
>Not that he didn't deserve it: No doubt they all Got What Was
>Coming To Them. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought
>they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But
>their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
>the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
>a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
>understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
>desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
>that Light at the end of the tunnel."
> - Hunter S. Thompson
Sorry, but LSD just makes your brain short-circuit
a bit. A pretty light-show, but not 'enlightenment'
per-se. No deep meaning, no revealed Truths, nothing
at the end of the tunnel except oblivion.
But as for Leary 'taking people down with him', I
don't think that's true - at least not on any scale
that's significant. 99% of the old acidheads are
still with us, holding perfectly regular jobs, living
as virtuous a life as anyone else. Truth and nirvana
did not materialize from those sheets of blotter acid
so most of Learys minions got bored and rejoined the
real world. A handful or already-borderline types
totally freaked out, but they were probably doomed
anyway. (according to Ken Kesey, most of them lost
it taking DMT instead of LSD anyhow ... hits suddenly
like 50 tabs of acid, enough to knock lesser worlds
out of their orbits and permanently off into the void)
Correspondent:: DrPostman
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:56:34 GMT
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:38:20 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) in
accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:56:41 GMT, DrPostman
>wrote:
>
>>Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
>>what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
>>soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
>>culture of the 60s:
>>
>>"This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around
>>America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a
>>thought to the meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the
>>people that took him seriously. After West Point and Priesthood, LSD
>>must have seemed perfectly logical to him... but there is not much
>>satisfaction in knowing that he blew it very badly for himself,
>>because he took too many others down with him.
>>
>>Not that he didn't deserve it: No doubt they all Got What Was
>>Coming To Them. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought
>>they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But
>>their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
>>the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
>>a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
>>understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
>>desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
>>that Light at the end of the tunnel."
>> - Hunter S. Thompson
>
>
> Sorry, but LSD just makes your brain short-circuit
> a bit. A pretty light-show, but not 'enlightenment'
> per-se. No deep meaning, no revealed Truths, nothing
> at the end of the tunnel except oblivion.
>
> But as for Leary 'taking people down with him', I
> don't think that's true - at least not on any scale
> that's significant. 99% of the old acidheads are
> still with us, holding perfectly regular jobs, living
> as virtuous a life as anyone else. Truth and nirvana
> did not materialize from those sheets of blotter acid
> so most of Learys minions got bored and rejoined the
> real world. A handful or already-borderline types
> totally freaked out, but they were probably doomed
> anyway. (according to Ken Kesey, most of them lost
> it taking DMT instead of LSD anyhow ... hits suddenly
> like 50 tabs of acid, enough to knock lesser worlds
> out of their orbits and permanently off into the void)
Actually most of them turned into Republicans. Now, continue
to tell me that they didn't go down.
--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"Fart for freedom, fart for liberty, and fart proudly."
-Benjamin Franklin
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:12:06 GMT
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:56:34 GMT, DrPostman
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:38:20 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) in
>accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:56:41 GMT, DrPostman
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
>>>what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
>>>soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
>>>culture of the 60s:
>>>
>>>"This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around
>>>America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a
>>>thought to the meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the
>>>people that took him seriously. After West Point and Priesthood, LSD
>>>must have seemed perfectly logical to him... but there is not much
>>>satisfaction in knowing that he blew it very badly for himself,
>>>because he took too many others down with him.
>>>
>>>Not that he didn't deserve it: No doubt they all Got What Was
>>>Coming To Them. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought
>>>they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But
>>>their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
>>>the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
>>>a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
>>>understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
>>>desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
>>>that Light at the end of the tunnel."
>>> - Hunter S. Thompson
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but LSD just makes your brain short-circuit
>> a bit. A pretty light-show, but not 'enlightenment'
>> per-se. No deep meaning, no revealed Truths, nothing
>> at the end of the tunnel except oblivion.
>>
>> But as for Leary 'taking people down with him', I
>> don't think that's true - at least not on any scale
>> that's significant. 99% of the old acidheads are
>> still with us, holding perfectly regular jobs, living
>> as virtuous a life as anyone else. Truth and nirvana
>> did not materialize from those sheets of blotter acid
>> so most of Learys minions got bored and rejoined the
>> real world. A handful or already-borderline types
>> totally freaked out, but they were probably doomed
>> anyway. (according to Ken Kesey, most of them lost
>> it taking DMT instead of LSD anyhow ... hits suddenly
>> like 50 tabs of acid, enough to knock lesser worlds
>> out of their orbits and permanently off into the void)
>
>
>Actually most of them turned into Republicans. Now, continue
>to tell me that they didn't go down.
Hmmm ... so maybe there was a LITTLE 'enlightenment'
after all ..... :-)
Correspondent:: Legume
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:02:20 -0600
--------
BlackWater wrote:
> Sorry, but LSD just makes your brain short-circuit
> a bit. A pretty light-show, but not 'enlightenment'
> per-se. No deep meaning, no revealed Truths, nothing
> at the end of the tunnel except oblivion.
You didn't take enough.
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0700
--------
I had my primary spiritual revelation of Oneness in 1971 on Acid. It was a
bit more than a "light show." There were severalothers after that. Evidently
you weren't taking the right kind or right dosage.
A.P.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:24:30 -0800
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>
>
>I had my primary spiritual revelation of Oneness in 1971 on Acid. It was a
>bit more than a "light show." There were severalothers after that. Evidently
>you weren't taking the right kind or right dosage.
>
I would lay odds that his dosage was none ever.
Not that I mean to defend the mystical properties of dropping acid. I
just find people who don't know what they're talking about,
pontificating about Drugs, annoying.
Like Neil Diamond singing "The Pot Smoker Song", where he sings on
about how people smoke pot so they can be somebody else. I remember
that line in general, for that matter, from growing up, the idea that
people smoke pot to "be somebody else".
WHA?
It's the kind of thing you can't even argue with. I have no idea what
it is supposed to mean but that the only people I have ever heard say
it were evidently people who had never smoked pot.
> Sorry, but LSD just makes your brain short-circuit
> a bit. A pretty light-show, but not 'enlightenment'
> per-se. No deep meaning, no revealed Truths, nothing
> at the end of the tunnel except oblivion.
WHA?
I mean it's not even worth arguing with. All he is saying is a vague
echo of the HST quote he followed up from. I have no idea what he
thinks he means beyond that, except that it has nothing to do with
anything I can think of in the real world.
Come to think of it, it's an almost exact copy of the HST quote.
Hey Blackwater, WRITE YOUR OWN MATERIAL.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
With great power may come great responsibility, but until it arrives, any
normal human being would be going, "Yaay! Great Power! Wheeee!"
- Sebastian
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:14 GMT
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>I had my primary spiritual revelation of Oneness in 1971 on Acid. It was a
>bit more than a "light show." There were severalothers after that. Evidently
>you weren't taking the right kind or right dosage.
Now did you ever find yourself on a high mountain
top with a handful of peyote buttons and some
aboriginal types during a midnight lightning storm
as the ancient gawds roll out of the clouds uttering
their indecipherable pearls of wisdom ? If you were
me you'd have found the 'spiritual' aspect 'entertaining'
rather than inspiring.
BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
My 'primary spiritual revelation' came in a church pew
at about age eight or nine. The revelation was "Hey,
this is all BUNK !" - a clear and true epiphany as the
big picture suddenly popped into focus.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:19 -0800
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:14 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
> BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
> Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
> parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
> cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
> threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
> lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
I've heard that people with a shallow understanding of a subject will
equate their own not having a clue what they're talking about to the
subject itself and conclude there's nothing of value there.
Apparently it's a dumbass malfunction - the "I know what the fuck I'm
talking about" threshold set way too low.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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Programming in Basic causes brain damage.
- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:13:16 GMT
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:19 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:14 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
>
>> BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
>> Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
>> parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
>> cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
>> threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
>> lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
>
>I've heard that people with a shallow understanding of a subject will
>equate their own not having a clue what they're talking about to the
>subject itself and conclude there's nothing of value there.
>Apparently it's a dumbass malfunction - the "I know what the fuck I'm
>talking about" threshold set way too low.
Look it up ... then shut up.
You can bask in your 'oneness' crap all
you want - just don't try to sell it to
me as anything more significant than an
itch on your backside.
Correspondent:: joecosby@mindspring.com
Date: 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800
--------
BlackWater wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:19 -0800, Zapanaz
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:14 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
> >
> >> BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
> >> Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
> >> parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
> >> cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
> >> threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
> >> lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
> >
> >I've heard that people with a shallow understanding of a subject
will
> >equate their own not having a clue what they're talking about to the
> >subject itself and conclude there's nothing of value there.
> >Apparently it's a dumbass malfunction - the "I know what the fuck
I'm
> >talking about" threshold set way too low.
>
> Look it up ... then shut up.
>
> You can bask in your 'oneness' crap all
> you want - just don't try to sell it to
> me as anything more significant than an
> itch on your backside.
Nobody is trying to "sell you" anything. I pointed out that you are
presenting "some stuff you read somewhere" as the definitive final
answer on a subject. It is apparently incomprehensible to you that
there could be any more to the subject than what you have already
thought about it.
I have no idea what you think I should "look up". I'm not arguing that
the study you mentioned says anything other than what you say it does.
You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about it,
and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
I will leave you to that.
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:43:14 GMT
--------
On 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>BlackWater wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:19 -0800, Zapanaz
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:14 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
>> >
>> >> BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
>> >> Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
>> >> parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
>> >> cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
>> >> threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
>> >> lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
>> >
>> >I've heard that people with a shallow understanding of a subject
>will
>> >equate their own not having a clue what they're talking about to the
>> >subject itself and conclude there's nothing of value there.
>> >Apparently it's a dumbass malfunction - the "I know what the fuck
>I'm
>> >talking about" threshold set way too low.
>>
>> Look it up ... then shut up.
>>
>> You can bask in your 'oneness' crap all
>> you want - just don't try to sell it to
>> me as anything more significant than an
>> itch on your backside.
>
>
>Nobody is trying to "sell you" anything. I pointed out that you are
>presenting "some stuff you read somewhere" as the definitive final
>answer on a subject. It is apparently incomprehensible to you that
>there could be any more to the subject than what you have already
>thought about it.
>
>I have no idea what you think I should "look up". I'm not arguing that
>the study you mentioned says anything other than what you say it does.
The TMS experiments have demonstrated that the
garden-variety 'mystical experience' is something
PRE-WIRED in the brain. You don't have to spend
years meditating on a hillside or scourging yourself
with whips - you can be reading 'Charlie Brown' and
at the flip of a switch you'll get that 'mystic'
experience.
>You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
>think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about it,
>and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
I'd say they'd OBVIOUSLY not considered all possibilties.
Correspondent:: joecosby@mindspring.com
Date: 24 Feb 2005 14:25:06 -0800
--------
BlackWater wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
> The TMS experiments have demonstrated that the
> garden-variety 'mystical experience' is something
> PRE-WIRED in the brain. You don't have to spend
> years meditating on a hillside or scourging yourself
> with whips - you can be reading 'Charlie Brown' and
> at the flip of a switch you'll get that 'mystic'
> experience.
What the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with
anything I said?
>
> >You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
> >think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about
it,
> >and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
>
> I'd say they'd OBVIOUSLY not considered all possibilties.
Who had not considered what possibilities?
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:45:20 GMT
--------
On 24 Feb 2005 14:25:06 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>BlackWater wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>> The TMS experiments have demonstrated that the
>> garden-variety 'mystical experience' is something
>> PRE-WIRED in the brain. You don't have to spend
>> years meditating on a hillside or scourging yourself
>> with whips - you can be reading 'Charlie Brown' and
>> at the flip of a switch you'll get that 'mystic'
>> experience.
>
>What the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with
>anything I said?
Just noting that nothing 'divine' need be involved
when a 'mystic' experience rears its ugly head.
>> >You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
>> >think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about
>it,
>> >and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
>>
>> I'd say they'd OBVIOUSLY not considered all possibilties.
>
>
>Who had not considered what possibilities?
That their 'mystic revelation' might just be
a brain-fart rather than anything significant,
real and divine.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:41:43 -0800
--------
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:45:20 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
>On 24 Feb 2005 14:25:06 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>
>>BlackWater wrote:
>>> On 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>> The TMS experiments have demonstrated that the
>>> garden-variety 'mystical experience' is something
>>> PRE-WIRED in the brain. You don't have to spend
>>> years meditating on a hillside or scourging yourself
>>> with whips - you can be reading 'Charlie Brown' and
>>> at the flip of a switch you'll get that 'mystic'
>>> experience.
>>
>>What the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with
>>anything I said?
>
> Just noting that nothing 'divine' need be involved
> when a 'mystic' experience rears its ugly head.
>
What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?
>>> >You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
>>> >think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about
>>it,
>>> >and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
>>>
>>> I'd say they'd OBVIOUSLY not considered all possibilties.
>>
>>
>>Who had not considered what possibilities?
>
> That their 'mystic revelation' might just be
> a brain-fart rather than anything significant,
> real and divine.
Who and what are you talking about? It has nothing to do with what I
said. Who is "they"?
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
The fish is the last one to notice the water
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:46:02 GMT
--------
In article ,
Zapanaz wrote:
>>>> Who is "they"?
"They" is "THEM," who have created the braying delirium we suffer from
and bitch about every day, using really ginchy, colorful tools. You are
#6. This is your brain on Usenet. GODS,what a stench.
--
HellPope Huey
That's no place for a clothespin, Ethel
This idea that love overtakes you is nonsense.
This is but a polite manifestation of sex.
To love another you have to undertake
some fragment of their destiny.
~ Quentin Crisp
Man: "I'd like to take you out
in a monster-free city."
Woman: "I'd like that."
- from "Gamera: Guardian of the Universe"
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:03:58 GMT
--------
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:41:43 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:45:20 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
>
>>On 24 Feb 2005 14:25:06 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>BlackWater wrote:
>>>> On 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> The TMS experiments have demonstrated that the
>>>> garden-variety 'mystical experience' is something
>>>> PRE-WIRED in the brain. You don't have to spend
>>>> years meditating on a hillside or scourging yourself
>>>> with whips - you can be reading 'Charlie Brown' and
>>>> at the flip of a switch you'll get that 'mystic'
>>>> experience.
>>>
>>>What the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with
>>>anything I said?
>>
>> Just noting that nothing 'divine' need be involved
>> when a 'mystic' experience rears its ugly head.
>>
>
>What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?
Not my fault if you have memory problems ...
>>>> >You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
>>>> >think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about
>>>it,
>>>> >and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say they'd OBVIOUSLY not considered all possibilties.
>>>
>>>
>>>Who had not considered what possibilities?
>>
>> That their 'mystic revelation' might just be
>> a brain-fart rather than anything significant,
>> real and divine.
>
>Who and what are you talking about? It has nothing to do with what I
>said. Who is "they"?
The representatives of the 'mystic revelation' crowd
posting here.
Correspondent:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:21:45 GMT
--------
BlackWater wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:41:43 -0800, Zapanaz
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:45:20 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
>>
>>>On 24 Feb 2005 14:25:06 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>BlackWater wrote:
>>>>> On 23 Feb 2005 19:19:16 -0800, joecosby@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The TMS experiments have demonstrated that the
>>>>> garden-variety 'mystical experience' is something
>>>>> PRE-WIRED in the brain. You don't have to spend
>>>>> years meditating on a hillside or scourging yourself
>>>>> with whips - you can be reading 'Charlie Brown' and
>>>>> at the flip of a switch you'll get that 'mystic'
>>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>>What the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with
>>>>anything I said?
>>>
>>> Just noting that nothing 'divine' need be involved
>>> when a 'mystic' experience rears its ugly head.
>>>
>>
>>What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?
>
> Not my fault if you have memory problems ...
>
>>>>> >You apparently take it as a personal affront that anybody would even
>>>>> >think anything about a subject beyond what you have thought about
>>>>it,
>>>>> >and as a sign that the other person is OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd say they'd OBVIOUSLY not considered all possibilties.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who had not considered what possibilities?
>>>
>>> That their 'mystic revelation' might just be
>>> a brain-fart rather than anything significant,
>>> real and divine.
>>
>>Who and what are you talking about? It has nothing to do with what I
>>said. Who is "they"?
>
> The representatives of the 'mystic revelation' crowd
> posting here.
>
Me, I belong to the Ancient&Mystic Order of Eastern Brainfart Association
(A.M.O.E.B.A.)
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:48:54 -0800
--------
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:03:58 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
> Not my fault if you have memory problems ...
You're an idiot.
You really apparently don't realize it, but you have done nothing but
repeat the exact same words everywhere you have posted in this thread
so far. Over and over again. That was my original point, really, at
least in so far as you seemed to think that repeating exactly the same
thing over and over again was the same as presenting some kind of
reasoned opinion on a subject.
You responded to my pointing that out by repeating it again.
I haven't argued that point in any way, so I don't know why it makes
sense to you to keep repeating it in response to me.
Not that the point isn't debatable or that it might not be interesting
to debate it, but since the only conversational ability you have shown
so far is to repeat yourself over and over again, I think that would
probably be a waste of time.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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La reine est un fromage!
Correspondent:: BlackWater
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:17:56 GMT
--------
Zapanaz wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:03:58 GMT, bw@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote:
>
>> Not my fault if you have memory problems ...
>
>You're an idiot.
>
>You really apparently don't realize it, but you have done nothing but
>repeat the exact same words everywhere you have posted in this thread
>so far. Over and over again. That was my original point, really, at
>least in so far as you seemed to think that repeating exactly the same
>thing over and over again was the same as presenting some kind of
>reasoned opinion on a subject.
>
>You responded to my pointing that out by repeating it again.
>
>I haven't argued that point in any way, so I don't know why it makes
>sense to you to keep repeating it in response to me.
Mr. Z ... at this point I don't remember WHAT, if anything,
your point WAS. Perhaps it was so ridiculous that it wasn't
worth my time. I don't seem to have any problem maintaining
a cogent conversation with any of the OTHER people in this
thread, so either we're ALL idiots just jabbering to each
other or maybe you're such a complete super-genius that
ordinary people can't get on your wavelength.
As for pointless repetition ... your 'replies' consisted of
about two cryptic lines, each the same as in the previous posts.
So, clarify - or piss off.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:50:45 GMT
--------
In article ,
BlackWater wrote:
> >> Not my fault if you have memory problems ...
If your water is black, you SO need to see a physician.
--
HellPope Huey
Praise the Lord and pass the gallstones
God appoints our graces
to be nurses to other men's weaknesses.
- Henry Ward Beecher
"Every time Jesus shuts a door,
He opens a window."
"Yeah, so we have something to jump out of."
- "Saved!'
Correspondent:: BlackWater
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:52:08 GMT
--------
HellPope Huey wrote:
>In article ,
> BlackWater wrote:
>
>> >> Not my fault if you have memory problems ...
>
> If your water is black, you SO need to see a physician.
King Georges madness, I'm sure ........ :-)
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:29:27 -0800
--------
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:17:56 GMT, BlackWater wrote:
>
> Mr. Z ... at this point I don't remember WHAT, if anything,
> your point WAS.
That's pretty clear.
>Perhaps it was so ridiculous that it wasn't
> worth my time.
Perhaps you don't even see anything that doesn't fit the same thing
you don't repeat over and over again because you're a fucking idiot.
>I don't seem to have any problem maintaining
> a cogent conversation with any of the OTHER
You do though seem to have a problem differentiating this conversation
from those others.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
LE MARCHE FUTILE?
Correspondent:: DrPostman
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:38:22 GMT
--------
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:41:43 -0800, Zapanaz
in accordance with The Prophecy
scribed:
>Who is "they"?
Andrew Wilson, a 43-year-old self-employed inventor.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2004-09-23-name-change_x.htm
HTH
--
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Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
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-Benjamin Franklin
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:30:40 -0800
--------
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:38:22 GMT, DrPostman
wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:41:43 -0800, Zapanaz
> in accordance with The Prophecy
>scribed:
>
>
>>Who is "they"?
>
>
>Andrew Wilson, a 43-year-old self-employed inventor.
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2004-09-23-name-change_x.htm
>
>HTH
I always knew there was somebody behind it all. And I'd kind of
guessed he lived in Missouri. Either that or the Midwest somewhere,
David Lynch country.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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Tyler Durden : Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest
men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see
squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas,
waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us
chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy
shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No
purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression.
Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives.
We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd
all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't.
And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
Correspondent:: "NA slacker"
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:40:26 +0200
--------
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:30:40 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote in message
:
>Tyler Durden : Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest
>men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see
>squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas,
>waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us
>chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy
>shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No
>purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression.
>Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives.
>We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd
>all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't.
>And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
that is Bill D.'s life in a nutshell. a gas pumper. he has made Narcotics
Anonymous the centre of his life. take that away from him, and he is an
empty shell. he collapses. his life becomes a big void, into which he will
pump drug after drug in a vain bid to fill it. he's tried that before.
now his life consists of:
* pumping gas
* posting copyrighted Narcotics Anonymous material into ARNA day after day
* attending NA meetings
* pissing on his late wife's grave
* crying himself to sleep
Bill, do you wish you could go back in time to the beginning of your life
and try it all again?
When you wake up tomorrow will you live your life according to the same
template?
Or will you realise that you are living a dog shit life which has no fucking
point?
Will you cry out to God and receive no answer?
Bill, the writing is on the wall:
you have been weighed and you have been found wanting.
the purpose in your life is to serve as a warning to others.
of course, it is senseless warning those who are powerless to change their
very natures.
some are just born to be gas pumpers and nothing more. such is the true
nature of Bill.
here lies an ex-gas pumper. he sure did pump gas well.
R.I.P.
you will die, Bill. and i will hear of it. and i will laugh in ARNA about
it.
Here's to your death, Bill. down the hatch! I salute you!
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:44:08 -0700
--------
> You can bask in your 'oneness' crap all
> you want - just don't try to sell it to
> me as anything more significant than an
> itch on your backside.
Ah, another deep thinker on this NG! I can see you are ripe for being turned
into an assassin for the Pinks. Keep going. Maybe you'll make Commander In
Chief someday. Kill All Hippies!
A.P.
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:35:54 GMT
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:44:08 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>> You can bask in your 'oneness' crap all
>> you want - just don't try to sell it to
>> me as anything more significant than an
>> itch on your backside.
>
>
>Ah, another deep thinker on this NG! I can see you are ripe for being turned
>into an assassin for the Pinks. Keep going. Maybe you'll make Commander In
>Chief someday. Kill All Hippies!
Hey ... I *liked* hippies ! Too bad there really
aren't any of them nowdays. I guess they were an
artifact of a particular time and place. Hippies
were a good counterbalance to the 9-to-5 hustle-
bustle materialistic society. Unfortunately,
despite certain pretenses, most were parasites
of that society to some degree or another rather
than a stand-alone self-supporting subculture.
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:34:03 -0700
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"BlackWater" wrote in message
news:421b923c.30534045@news.east.earthlink.net...
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0700, "angelicusrex"
> wrote:
>
>>I had my primary spiritual revelation of Oneness in 1971 on Acid. It was a
>>bit more than a "light show." There were severalothers after that.
>>Evidently
>>you weren't taking the right kind or right dosage.
>
> Now did you ever find yourself on a high mountain
> top with a handful of peyote buttons and some
> aboriginal types during a midnight lightning storm
> as the ancient gawds roll out of the clouds uttering
> their indecipherable pearls of wisdom ?
No but I watched Godzilla Meets Bambi on Peyote. That was cool. I've taken
Peyote several times, as well as other types of cacti and psychedelics. Each
trip came with a distinct and wonderful or depressing revelation. My pearls
of wisdom were never indecipherable. What you are doing is broad-brushing,
glossing over one man's spiritual journey by belittling it with some
foolishness about something you've never done, but think you have either
seen in a movie or read about somewhere. And 'aboringinal types?' That is
about as racist a statement as calling someone a nigger. Do you mean I
joined men and women of another culture in their ceremonies and learned
something from them? Yes. I have. Go forth and do likewise.
> If you were
> me you'd have found the 'spiritual' aspect 'entertaining'
> rather than inspiring.
Thankfully I was not you.
>
> BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
> Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
> parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
> cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
> threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
> lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
That's what you "heard" or "read" somewhere. My experience was not a "eureka
experience." It expanded my consciousness to fully understand that all
things in the universe are one, and all is God and that God is all things.
The reason this mystical experience is so close to the surface of all human
brains is that it needs to be. After all, nature does not usually program
redundancies and false reactions or perceptions into its six million year
old beings. Such things usually fall away if not found to be necessary.
Therefore, evolution proves we have such a capacity to experience Oneness
for a reason. If in fact such a machine works. I doubt it very much. If LSD
was a trigger for such a mechanism, everyone who took it would have the
exact same experiences the machine produces. They do not. I fail to see
quality scientific method or understanding in your post.
>
> My 'primary spiritual revelation' came in a church pew
> at about age eight or nine. The revelation was "Hey,
> this is all BUNK !" - a clear and true epiphany as the
> big picture suddenly popped into focus.
Yes. Organized religion is bunk. However at one time it explored being your
"TMS" for humanity, or at least the adherents of its dogma. They wanted to
promote a mystical experience. And for many years they did a good job. Only
the Age of Reason finally brought about a crack in their jolly plans.
Science showed that people indeed were easily hypnotized into believing a
great deal of things. However on my first LSD trip I was alone. Nothing was
influencing me, but me. I was far from hypnotized. In fact I finally
understood I had BEEN hypnotized since I first started going to church, and
being "normal" was in fact, to be hypnotized into believing that Oneness of
all things is Bunk, whereas the vast separation between God and Man was a
"good thing" because mankind was so inherintly evil that it pissed God off.
I came to understand that God could not be pissed off, because God was me
and I was God and we together were everything that existed which we loved
beyond any words that can describe the feeling. I hope this brings some sort
of enlightenment to you, but I doubt it will. At any rate, try opening your
mind to the possibility that someone else may have had an experience that
isn't yours and doesn't need to be.
Note: I said all this without swearing at you or flaming you. I really am
trying to be patient here, as I feel this is an important subject.
A.P.
>
Correspondent:: Baldin Pramer
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:36 -0700
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angelicusrex wrote:
> I've taken
> Peyote several times, as well as other types of cacti and psychedelics.
Do you have experience with the San Pedro? How much should be taken, and
in what manner?
--
Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.
Correspondent:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:44:02 GMT
--------
Baldin Pramer wrote:
>angelicusrex wrote:
> > I've taken
>> Peyote several times, as well as other types of cacti and psychedelics.
>
>Do you have experience with the San Pedro? How much should be taken, and
>in what manner?
Hot infusion high colonic
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:41:50 -0700
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Yes I have taken some San Pedro. We boiled it and made a tea out of it. It
was about an ounce and a half or so of raw cacti. It makes you projectile
vomit, tastes exactly like dishwashing liquid and is not as hallucinogenic
as Peyote or LSD. The after affects linger for several days, so do not have
a bad trip.
A.P.
--
Namaste'
Saint 0;-)
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle.
The other is as if everything is."
Albert Einstein
"Baldin Pramer" wrote in message
news:421c9ed5$1@nntp.zianet.com...
> angelicusrex wrote:
> > I've taken
>> Peyote several times, as well as other types of cacti and psychedelics.
>
> Do you have experience with the San Pedro? How much should be taken, and
> in what manner?
>
> --
> Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:18:58 GMT
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:34:03 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>
>
>"BlackWater" wrote in message
>news:421b923c.30534045@news.east.earthlink.net...
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0700, "angelicusrex"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I had my primary spiritual revelation of Oneness in 1971 on Acid. It was a
>>>bit more than a "light show." There were severalothers after that.
>>>Evidently
>>>you weren't taking the right kind or right dosage.
>>
>> Now did you ever find yourself on a high mountain
>> top with a handful of peyote buttons and some
>> aboriginal types during a midnight lightning storm
>> as the ancient gawds roll out of the clouds uttering
>> their indecipherable pearls of wisdom ?
>
>No but I watched Godzilla Meets Bambi on Peyote.
Oh Wow !
>That was cool. I've taken
>Peyote several times, as well as other types of cacti and psychedelics.
Annoying how they make you puke though ...
>Each
>trip came with a distinct and wonderful or depressing revelation.
Well, what you IMAGINED to be a 'revelation' anyhow ...
>My pearls
>of wisdom were never indecipherable.
Just means you were trying too hard, reading stuff
into it that wasn't really there.
>What you are doing is broad-brushing,
Some things deserve the broad brush. Chemically
induced 'revelations' are one of them.
>glossing over one man's spiritual journey by belittling it with some
>foolishness about something you've never done, but think you have either
>seen in a movie or read about somewhere. And 'aboringinal types?' That is
>about as racist a statement as calling someone a nigger.
Would you have preferred 'dirty injuns' ... or maybe
the oh-so-'PC' term that not even the aboriginals
use - "Native American".
They're American aboriginals ... first, and long-time
only, inhabitants. The term is NOT depreciatory. They
were my friends.
>Do you mean I
>joined men and women of another culture in their ceremonies and learned
>something from them? Yes. I have. Go forth and do likewise.
'Ceremonies' ? We went up there as a hoot. Figured
it would be really cool. Apparently you think all
'Native Americans' are serious and pious 24/7/365.
Hate to break it to you, but most I ever associated
with like to PARTY as much as the next guy. Your
stereotypy would amuse them ... indeed they'd have
some fun with your gullability ....
>> If you were
>> me you'd have found the 'spiritual' aspect 'entertaining'
>> rather than inspiring.
>
>Thankfully I was not you.
Thankfully I'm not you ...
... you poor deluded ...........
>> BTW ... I've heard there's a gadget called a 'Trans-Cranial
>> Magnetic Stimulator' (TMS) that, if focused on the right
>> parts of the brain, can reproduce that "Oneness" thing on
>> cue. Apparently it's a cerebral malfunction - the "Eureka !"
>> threshold set way too low. Happens in certain temporal
>> lobe pathologies as well according to Dr. V.I.Ramachandran.
>
>That's what you "heard" or "read" somewhere.
Did Dr. Ramachandran lie ? Geez ... they put him
on the holy CNN channel as an expert neurologist
from time to time ......
>My experience was not a "eureka
>experience." It expanded my consciousness to fully understand that all
>things in the universe are one
Yep ... all superstrings (so I've been told) ... all
interacting with each other. Alas, that picture is
so 'big' that it's pretty much useless for day2day
human existence.
>and all is God and that God is all things.
More illusions ... cultural memes in this case.
I prefer the assertion that we are IN the universe,
made up from the stuff OF the universe, and are thus
the universe made conscious.
Again, neat-o but not very useful.
>The reason this mystical experience is so close to the surface of all human
>brains is that it needs to be. After all, nature does not usually program
>redundancies and false reactions or perceptions into its six million year
>old beings.
After applying much thought to the subject, I've
decided that our predeliction for gawds and the
mystical involve the same neural pathways which
evolution selected to bond us into a useful
social heirarchy with an alpha (usually) male
at the top. The same feelings of awe, reverence
and respect that are commonly directed towards
kings, popes, superatheletes and sometimes little
grey alien dudes can be redirected one level of
abstraction higher. It's a side-effect of our
intelligence. Monkeys can't imagine gawds.
>Such things usually fall away if not found to be necessary.
>Therefore, evolution proves we have such a capacity to experience Oneness
>for a reason. If in fact such a machine works. I doubt it very much. If LSD
>was a trigger for such a mechanism, everyone who took it would have the
>exact same experiences the machine produces. They do not. I fail to see
>quality scientific method or understanding in your post.
I think you're seriously abusing the idea of 'evolution'
here ... not to mention its messy little truths.
>> My 'primary spiritual revelation' came in a church pew
>> at about age eight or nine. The revelation was "Hey,
>> this is all BUNK !" - a clear and true epiphany as the
>> big picture suddenly popped into focus.
>
>Yes. Organized religion is bunk.
Religion is bunk - organization simply makes
it bunkier ...
>However at one time it explored being your
>"TMS" for humanity, or at least the adherents of its dogma. They wanted to
>promote a mystical experience. And for many years they did a good job. Only
>the Age of Reason finally brought about a crack in their jolly plans.
>Science showed that people indeed were easily hypnotized into believing a
>great deal of things. However on my first LSD trip I was alone. Nothing was
>influencing me, but me. I was far from hypnotized. In fact I finally
>understood I had BEEN hypnotized since I first started going to church, and
>being "normal" was in fact, to be hypnotized into believing that Oneness of
>all things is Bunk, whereas the vast separation between God and Man was a
>"good thing" because mankind was so inherintly evil that it pissed God off.
Hmmm ... you could try the Buddhist perspective, that
it's ALL bunk when you get right down to it. Or maybe
the Platonic variant, the 'allegory of the cave', which
notes that 'reality' represents the best construct we
can make with the data availible - data seriously limited
and distorted not only by social institutions and concensus
but also by the very size and nature of our brains. We
see the universe through "human-colored glasses", not as
it really is, and through a tiny keyhole to boot ...
>I came to understand that God could not be pissed off, because God was me
>and I was God and we together were everything that existed which we loved
>beyond any words that can describe the feeling.
So nice to construct a gawd that's yer buddy. That
way you never have to DO anything special to please
him. No special deeds, no special thoughts, no
children burnt on the altar ... a truely western
leisure-centered 1st world kind of gawd ....
But to each their own ...
>I hope this brings some sort
>of enlightenment to you, but I doubt it will.
I'm already adequately enlightened. I can tell, because
the revealed big picture is not very inspiring - just
cold, grey, empty, meaningless, hopeless ... grains
of dust in a great big empty. Some might find that very
depressing, although I tend to see it as somewhat
'liberating'. With no road before you, you get the
chance to make your own.
>At any rate, try opening your mind to the possibility that
>someone else may have had an experience that isn't yours
>and doesn't need to be.
I wouldn't expect your experiences to be just like
mine, since you're not me.
However, I don't think your 'experiences' are what
you think they are.
>Note: I said all this without swearing at you or flaming you.
Hey ... that's not the Usenet tradition ! :-)
But then I'm equally a failure in this department.
>I really am
>trying to be patient here, as I feel this is an important subject.
And I do not.
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:55:56 -0700
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"BlackWater" wrote in message
> Well, what you IMAGINED to be a 'revelation' anyhow ...
One does not "imagine" revelations. One has one. Others imagine that you
have not or that it is not one. But to the experiencer it is one.
> Just means you were trying too hard, reading stuff
> into it that wasn't really there.
You really are a dunce, aren't you?
> Some things deserve the broad brush. Chemically
> induced 'revelations' are one of them.
What other kinds are there? All brain work is chemistry my son. Even what
little you are doing right now, electro-chemical reactions. I could viably
conclude that you yourself are spouting this stuff because you are ingesting
certain substances that are generally known to make complete assholes out of
once resaonable people...except that I don't think you were ever reasonable.
> Would you have preferred 'dirty injuns' ...
No but apparently you would.
> or maybe
> the oh-so-'PC' term that not even the aboriginals
> use - "Native American".
Give me a break, O.K.? You don't know anything about native culture. Just
because you partied down with a few drunks somehwere is not the same as
attending legitimate spiritual ceremonies. And since you can't even tell the
difference I would have to conclude that you are just an ass trying to speak
on a subject he knows nothing about and then deride and denigrate those of
any culture who have had certain experiences which you have not shared.
>
> They're American aboriginals ... first, and long-time
> only, inhabitants. The term is NOT depreciatory. They
> were my friends.
I doubt you have any "friends" from any culture. I have some Native friends.
And guess what. They've had such experiences and are shamans for their
people. So you my fine fellow are way out of your dpeth here. You obviously
do not know what they prefer to be called or what they call themselves or
what they experience in the spiritual realm, on or off of "chemicals." You
are an idiot.
> 'Ceremonies' ? We went up there as a hoot. Figured
> it would be really cool.
Like I said, you are an idiot. If you enter into sacred ceremonies with such
a dross filled, pathetic mind set, you will experience nothing. Sorry for
your troubles.
Apparently you think all
> 'Native Americans' are serious and pious 24/7/365.
No, just the serious and pious ones. And then only when they are having
sacred gatherings. Otherwise yes, they can party like it's 1999 all night
long. So what? You had one experience I've had many.
> Hate to break it to you, but most I ever associated
> with like to PARTY as much as the next guy. Your
> stereotypy would amuse them ... indeed they'd have
> some fun with your gullability ....
You really are trying to be flippant and "smart" here and failing miserably.
You don't know me and you don't know what I think. So sod off.
You are a typical NG ass and not worth anymore of my time.
BOOT TO THE HEAD!
A.P.
Correspondent:: mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:51:32 -0800
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> I doubt you have any "friends" from any culture. I have some Native friends.
everybody born here is a native
any other use of the word presupposes that the number of ancestors
that were here make one more or less native than another
-every-one in americas is an immigrant or descendant of an immigrant
h sapiens is not native to this continent
despite the creationist myths of this or that culture
which deludes itself that its origin from pre-human matter
occured on this continent
we are all carpet baggers
arf meow arf
cthulu loves you
he loves the little children
with ketchup please
Correspondent:: bw@barrk.net (BlackWater)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:29:47 GMT
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:55:56 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>"BlackWater" wrote in message
>
>> Well, what you IMAGINED to be a 'revelation' anyhow ...
>
>One does not "imagine" revelations. One has one. Others imagine that you
>have not or that it is not one. But to the experiencer it is one.
And to the nutters, those voices in their heads saying
"Kill, Kill, Kill !" are perfectly real too ...
"Real to YOU" doesn't mean "Real for EVERYBODY", well,
unless you subscribe to the notion that the universe
is just something that will vanish the instant you
wake up.
>> Just means you were trying too hard, reading stuff
>> into it that wasn't really there.
>
>You really are a dunce, aren't you?
Yea, only a moron would attempt to impose a rational
framework on some LSD-induced 'revelations'.
>> Some things deserve the broad brush. Chemically
>> induced 'revelations' are one of them.
>
>What other kinds are there? All brain work is chemistry my son.
Yea ... carefully, very carefully, BALANCED chemistry.
Sanity is something that balances on a biochemical
pinhead. Human perception of 'reality' is shakey enough
already. Throw a lysergamide monkey-wrench into the
works to trash your serotonin balance and frankly the
reliability of the machine suffers considerably.
Tossing in a wrench or two can be wonderful amusmement,
but don't trust any input, processing or output that
takes place before the wrench is removed.
>Even what
>little you are doing right now, electro-chemical reactions. I could viably
>conclude that you yourself are spouting this stuff because you are ingesting
>certain substances that are generally known to make complete assholes out of
>once resaonable people...except that I don't think you were ever reasonable.
I think your real complaint is that I'm being much TOO
reasonable. Doesn't interface well with mystic crystal
revelations or whatever ...
>> Would you have preferred 'dirty injuns' ...
>
>No but apparently you would.
Nah, I like my indians nice and clean ... :-)
>> or maybe
>> the oh-so-'PC' term that not even the aboriginals
>> use - "Native American".
>
>Give me a break, O.K.? You don't know anything about native culture. Just
>because you partied down with a few drunks somehwere
Gee ... denegrating people you never even met ! Last
I heard ones' an engineer and anothers' a lawyer ...
>is not the same as
>attending legitimate spiritual ceremonies.
Would you judge mainstream American culture by the way
people behave IN church - or OUT of church ?
>And since you can't even tell the difference
Pretty easy to tell the difference ...
>I would have to conclude that you are just an ass trying to speak
>on a subject he knows nothing about and then deride and denigrate those of
>any culture who have had certain experiences which you have not shared.
You're the one denigrating people. I *liked* my old
injun buds - good solid people. I think you're trying
to stuff them into some spiritual/mystic Carlos
Castaneda stereotype you saw on a TV movie. While a
lot of western injuns don't think quite like WASPS
from some New Jersey suburb, neither do Russians,
Chinese or Zambians. For the most part though
they're all perfectly regular folks.
>> They're American aboriginals ... first, and long-time
>> only, inhabitants. The term is NOT depreciatory. They
>> were my friends.
>
>I doubt you have any "friends" from any culture.
Now it's personal insults ...
>I have some Native friends.
>And guess what. They've had such experiences and are shamans
>for their people.
Which I won't count as any more 'true' than yours.
I'm not *insulting* them ... I just don't see such
'visions' as a vehicle of truth. Might be helpful
for certain emotional issues however ... and I'd
say MY understanding of perceptual -vs- real was
further clarified. 'Truth' however ...
I will admit that the brain does a certain amount
of what might be called 'reasoning' and/or 'problem
solving' using informal, symbol-rich right-brain
kinds of mechanisms. However I'm not sure whether
disruptive chemicals and/or stressful rituals
*enhance* such processes or just make 'em spit out
garbage and fool you into believing it's all real.
>So you my fine fellow are way out of your dpeth here. You obviously
>do not know what they prefer to be called or what they call themselves
Most I've ever associated with preferred to be
called "Indians". Nothing fancy, none of the 'PC'
jargon invented to make 'em sound 'better' than
anyone else, just "Indians".
'American aboriginals' is more technically correct
however. 'First colonizers' perhaps ...
>or
>what they experience in the spiritual realm, on or off of "chemicals."
1st-hand experience, more than once.
>You are an idiot.
Yea, how DARE I be reasonable ... !
>> 'Ceremonies' ? We went up there as a hoot. Figured
>> it would be really cool.
>
>Like I said, you are an idiot.
MORE personal insults ... !
>If you enter into sacred ceremonies with such
>a dross filled, pathetic mind set, you will experience nothing. Sorry for
>your troubles.
Ah ... so you've gotta *BELIEVE* then. Just what those
TV preachers tell us ... "Don't think, don't reason,
don't question - just *BELIEVE* ! Hallajula ! Send
your donations to ...".
Sorry - I question everything, I think about everything,
I don't necessarily believe my senses or perceptions.
Tough.
> Apparently you think all
>> 'Native Americans' are serious and pious 24/7/365.
>
>No, just the serious and pious ones. And then only when they are having
>sacred gatherings. Otherwise yes, they can party like it's 1999 all night
>long. So what? You had one experience I've had many.
Sounds like many of those "Authentic Indian Ceremonies"
designed to entertain and de-dollar tourist-types ....
When Indians get 'spiritual' it's usually in some deep
overheated pit in the ground with few, or no, others
around. Resolves certain issues so far as they're
concerned ... so why should I complain ?
*I* don't have to believe it's a path to 'Truth' or
'revelation'. Only the participants do. So long as
they aren't applying hot irons, shouting "Convert !
Convert !" I'm perfectly fine about them believing
whatever they believe ... and they were perfecty
fine about me NOT believing. I'll question, but not
insult or wave bibles in their faces.
>> Hate to break it to you, but most I ever associated
>> with like to PARTY as much as the next guy. Your
>> stereotypy would amuse them ... indeed they'd have
>> some fun with your gullability ....
>
>You really are trying to be flippant and "smart" here and failing
>miserably. You don't know me and you don't know what I think.
>So sod off.
So those must have been FAKE indians I was living
around for years. Guess they were pretending so
they could get in on the casino business ...
Don't like your worldview tested, do you ? Might
be a sign of a weak worldview ... just maybe ...
>You are a typical NG ass and not worth anymore of my time.
>
>BOOT TO THE HEAD!
Ah ... is that your're true face I'm seeing ?
Musta have been some interesting 'spiritual
revelations' you had ..... posessed by the
spirit of Conan the Barbarian perhaps ???
Correspondent:: "In my evolving opinion"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:45 -0800
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"BlackWater" wrote in message
news:421b2596.2720531@news.east.earthlink.net...
: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:56:41 GMT, DrPostman
: wrote:
:
: >Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
: >what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
: >soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
: >culture of the 60s:
: >
: >"This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around
: >America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a
: >thought to the meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the
: >people that took him seriously. After West Point and Priesthood, LSD
: >must have seemed perfectly logical to him... but there is not much
: >satisfaction in knowing that he blew it very badly for himself,
: >because he took too many others down with him.
: >
: >Not that he didn't deserve it: No doubt they all Got What Was
: >Coming To Them. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought
: >they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But
: >their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
: >the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
: >a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
: >understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
: >desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
: >that Light at the end of the tunnel."
: > - Hunter S. Thompson
:
:
: Sorry, but LSD just makes your brain short-circuit
: a bit. A pretty light-show, but not 'enlightenment'
: per-se. No deep meaning, no revealed Truths, nothing
: at the end of the tunnel except oblivion.
:
: But as for Leary 'taking people down with him', I
: don't think that's true - at least not on any scale
: that's significant. 99% of the old acidheads are
: still with us, holding perfectly regular jobs, living
: as virtuous a life as anyone else. Truth and nirvana
: did not materialize from those sheets of blotter acid
: so most of Learys minions got bored and rejoined the
: real world. A handful or already-borderline types
: totally freaked out, but they were probably doomed
: anyway. (according to Ken Kesey, most of them lost
: it taking DMT instead of LSD anyhow ... hits suddenly
: like 50 tabs of acid, enough to knock lesser worlds
: out of their orbits and permanently off into the void)
:
I took acid. I think it fucked me up and what Hunter
says about LSD in the post above is pretty much true
for me. However, the psychiatrist who helped me the
most, I think, for a while admitted to me that he took
acid too. I couldn't talk to him after that. I do think that
he is a very good psychiatrist... go figure.
It is sick to me that Timothy Leary's ashes were sent
into space as a memorial. For what? I don't see it and
it further glorifies the drug culture and makes experimental
animals out of our children. The same thing seems to be
happening with ecstasy, now.
NOW.
Correspondent:: "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:12:51 -0900
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:45 -0800, "In my evolving opinion"
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
:
>
>It is sick to me that Timothy Leary's ashes were sent
>into space as a memorial. For what?
They were far too toxic to remain on Earth. Sending them into space
was the cheapest, safest way to dispose of them.
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Correspondent:: mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:06:16 -0800
--------
In article ,
"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:45 -0800, "In my evolving opinion"
> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> :
>
> >
> >It is sick to me that Timothy Leary's ashes were sent
> >into space as a memorial. For what?
>
> They were far too toxic to remain on Earth. Sending them into space
> was the cheapest, safest way to dispose of them.
i would wish none of them any harm
but when a leary or thompson devoted their lives to poisoning their bodies
im a tad stingy with my sympathy once they succeed
if you get rolling stone to give a job to a schizophrenic or depressive or manic
who got that way the old fashion way (genes not drugs)
but then again mental illness aint as sexy as bar hopping
arf meow arf
cthulu loves you
he loves the little children
with ketchup please
Correspondent:: "Mel"
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:23:41 +0200
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:12:51 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
wrote in message
:
>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:48:45 -0800, "In my evolving opinion"
> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>:
>>It is sick to me that Timothy Leary's ashes were sent
>>into space as a memorial. For what?
>They were far too toxic to remain on Earth. Sending them into space
>was the cheapest, safest way to dispose of them.
hey, guess what? vg is lame in alt.fan.art-bell as well. who wudda thunk?
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:44:01 -0700
--------
> I took acid. I think it fucked me up and what Hunter
> says about LSD in the post above is pretty much true
> for me. However, the psychiatrist who helped me the
> most, I think, for a while admitted to me that he took
> acid too. I couldn't talk to him after that. I do think that
> he is a very good psychiatrist... go figure.
>
> It is sick to me that Timothy Leary's ashes were sent
> into space as a memorial. For what? I don't see it and
> it further glorifies the drug culture and makes experimental
> animals out of our children. The same thing seems to be
> happening with ecstasy, now.
>
> NOW.
Jesus, where is Nenslo when you need him! "drug culture?" Save our children?
This person's kids will be the first on their block to experiment! You don't
stop the "drug culture" by despising Timothy Leary or Hunter Thompson or Ken
Kesey! And you certainly aren't going to convince your kids it's not all
right to take drugs when you did it! Your kids are experimental animals.
Every time you feed them you are giving them drugs and hormones that
granddad never heard of! Then there's the pesticides, herbicides and heavy
metals in your drinking water and the crap you breathe every day! You are a
walking two-bit dime-store chemistry set for some power nerds in the
Pentagon and the Corporate Food Services industry! Or didn't you fucking
know that? After all it is 2005 already! Get a fucking clue down from the
old clue shelf!
A.P.
Correspondent:: "Mel"
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:23:43 +0200
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:44:01 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote in message <382n0vF5hqgatU1@individual.net>:
>> I took acid. I think it fucked me up and what Hunter
>> says about LSD in the post above is pretty much true
>> for me. However, the psychiatrist who helped me the
>> most, I think, for a while admitted to me that he took
>> acid too. I couldn't talk to him after that. I do think that
>> he is a very good psychiatrist... go figure.
>> It is sick to me that Timothy Leary's ashes were sent
>> into space as a memorial. For what? I don't see it and
>> it further glorifies the drug culture and makes experimental
>> animals out of our children. The same thing seems to be
>> happening with ecstasy, now.
>> NOW.
>Jesus, where is Nenslo when you need him! "drug culture?" Save our children?
>This person's kids will be the first on their block to experiment! You don't
>stop the "drug culture" by despising Timothy Leary or Hunter Thompson or Ken
>Kesey! And you certainly aren't going to convince your kids it's not all
>right to take drugs when you did it! Your kids are experimental animals.
>Every time you feed them you are giving them drugs and hormones that
>granddad never heard of! Then there's the pesticides, herbicides and heavy
>metals in your drinking water and the crap you breathe every day! You are a
>walking two-bit dime-store chemistry set for some power nerds in the
>Pentagon and the Corporate Food Services industry! Or didn't you fucking
>know that? After all it is 2005 already! Get a fucking clue down from the
>old clue shelf!
>A.P.
wow! it's sad to see someone degenerate like this. must be the drugs they're
taking.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!111
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:33:40 -0700
--------
I don't need to take drugs anymore, Mel...I'm high on JAYZUS! Just like you!
A.P.
Correspondent:: "In my evolving opinion"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:52:05 -0800
--------
There doesn't seem to much emotion in the good-byes
that were said for Hunter Thompson. I had never heard
of him but am intrigued now. I never read any Jack Keroac,
(sp?) either, even though they are from my age or just a
little older.
Was Hunter not loved but only read?
"DrPostman" wrote in message
news:28tk11pe0s4q1199imbpmjs594j8j57781@4ax.com...
: Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
: what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
: soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
: culture of the 60s:
:
: "This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around
: America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a
: thought to the meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the
: people that took him seriously. After West Point and Priesthood, LSD
: must have seemed perfectly logical to him... but there is not much
: satisfaction in knowing that he blew it very badly for himself,
: because he took too many others down with him.
:
: Not that he didn't deserve it: No doubt they all Got What Was
: Coming To Them. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought
: they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But
: their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was
: the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...
: a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never
: understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
: desperate assumption that somebody- or at least some force- is tending
: that Light at the end of the tunnel."
: - Hunter S. Thompson
:
:
:
: --
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: Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
: AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
: You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
:
: "Fart for freedom, fart for liberty, and fart proudly."
: -Benjamin Franklin
Correspondent:: DrPostman
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:16:21 GMT
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:52:05 -0800, "In my evolving opinion"
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>There doesn't seem to much emotion in the good-byes
>that were said for Hunter Thompson. I had never heard
>of him but am intrigued now. I never read any Jack Keroac,
>(sp?) either, even though they are from my age or just a
>little older.
>
>Was Hunter not loved but only read?
You'd have to define what you mean by "loved".
--
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Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:46:11 -0700
--------
Hunter was "liked" but he wasn't "WELL liked!"
Actually he was a bit of a prick. He was a force to be reckoned with and
learned from. But he was a force nonetheless.
A.P.
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:06:06 -0500
--------
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:56:41 GMT, DrPostman
wrote:
>Shot himself at the age of 67. I enjoyed much of
>what he had to say, but he was always a troubled
>soul. Witness what he had to say about the acid
>culture of the 60s:
This is such a very, very sad event. I was glad to read the article
that has the information from his lawyer as it explained things a bit.
If it was his failing physical health that drove him to it, I think
that makes sense. It's about the only explanation I can really accept
and come to terms with and fits what he has said in the past, so I'm
sticking with it.
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:52:44 -0700
--------
RIP Hunter.
I've always said, if I ever get to the point where I am going to be a
physical or financial burden on someone else, pissing my pants, shitting
myself, forgetting my wife's face or my own name. I will go up to the hills
and do myself. Life with all that kind of suffering is a lot of bullshit.
I'd much rather go out knowing who pulled the trigger on me and not let
alzheimers or cancer make the decision to fuck up not only the rest of my
life, but my loved-one's finances and lives as well. I will always remember
Hunter now as a Gonzo motherfucker. I'll remember the Pope as a drooling,
mumbling old man who can't raise his head from his chest. That alone, seeing
it, is sad and heartwrenching. But the Pope bears a cross of his own making.
Hunter bore a .357 Colt Python and he knew how to use it. God bless him.
He'll be missed.
A.P.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:02:17 -0800
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:52:44 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>Hunter bore a .357 Colt Python and he knew how to use it. God bless him.
>He'll be missed.
well if he'd missed we wouldn't be talking about him.
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Correspondent:: Baldin Pramer
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:21:36 -0700
--------
Zapanaz wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:52:44 -0700, "angelicusrex"
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hunter bore a .357 Colt Python and he knew how to use it. God bless him.
>>He'll be missed.
>
>
> well if he'd missed we wouldn't be talking about him.
If he had missed, nenslo would be poking him even harder.
--
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:35:11 -0700
--------
> well if he'd missed we wouldn't be talking about him.
Nice try Zapanaz...But I didn't say HE would miss. I said he would be
missed...as he often was.
A.P.
Correspondent:: "Mel"
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:23:44 +0200
--------
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:52:44 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote in message <382nhfF5kfprnU1@individual.net>:
>RIP Hunter.
>I've always said, if I ever get to the point where I am going to be a
>physical or financial burden on someone else, pissing my pants, shitting
>myself, forgetting my wife's face or my own name. I will go up to the hills
>and do myself. Life with all that kind of suffering is a lot of bullshit.
>I'd much rather go out knowing who pulled the trigger on me and not let
>alzheimers or cancer make the decision to fuck up not only the rest of my
>life, but my loved-one's finances and lives as well. I will always remember
>Hunter now as a Gonzo motherfucker. I'll remember the Pope as a drooling,
>mumbling old man who can't raise his head from his chest. That alone, seeing
>it, is sad and heartwrenching. But the Pope bears a cross of his own making.
>Hunter bore a .357 Colt Python and he knew how to use it. God bless him.
>He'll be missed.
>A.P.
wow! yer a fucking idjit.
suicide is always a bad option. always.
even when yer in pain and need to get a morphine drip, suicide is not an
option. euthanasia is not an option.
God determines the span of a life, and no-one else. do not play God or you
will burn in Hell.
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:38:48 -0700
--------
> wow! yer a fucking idjit.
>
> suicide is always a bad option. always.
>
> even when yer in pain and need to get a morphine drip, suicide is not an
> option. euthanasia is not an option.
>
> God determines the span of a life, and no-one else. do not play God or you
> will burn in Hell.
Gosh, I really hope you are doing one of those insider jokes the people here
keep talking about. Otherwise I'd have to rake you over the coals of fiery
furnace which is the mouth of the lake of fire which burns forever and ever
amen and roast your sorry Christian ass like a Outback Steakhouse T-Bone!
Luckily, I think you're just joking here. Praise JAYZUS! I'm SAVED!
So go fuck yourself, Pastor.
A.P.
Correspondent:: "Richard"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:09:26 +0200
--------
angelicusrex wrote:
>> wow! yer a fucking idjit.
>> suicide is always a bad option. always.
>> even when yer in pain and need to get a morphine drip, suicide is not an
>> option. euthanasia is not an option.
>> God determines the span of a life, and no-one else. do not play God or
>> you will burn in Hell.
> Gosh, I really hope you are doing one of those insider jokes the people
> here keep talking about. Otherwise I'd have to rake you over the coals of
> fiery furnace which is the mouth of the lake of fire which burns forever
> and ever amen and roast your sorry Christian ass like a Outback
> Steakhouse T-Bone! Luckily, I think you're just joking here. Praise
> JAYZUS! I'm SAVED!
> So go fuck yourself, Pastor.
> A.P.
Jesus cries when you use bad words, you stupid fucking bitch!
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:09:02 -0700
--------
> Jesus cries when you use bad words, you stupid fucking bitch!
Fightin' Jesus said in Corinthians 18: 20-21: "Fuck you, you broke down
Pharisee whores! I do what I want! You want a fucking piece of this? Come on
motherfucker! Why'd you bring a rock to a swordfight, shit for brains!?
Who's your daddy Biotch!? Look at you now, you fucking raggedy assed little
Rabbi fuck! You gonna cry now? Now you really are holier than me!"
A.P.
Correspondent:: "Me!"
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:16:15 -0600
--------
"Richard" wrote in message
news:386g29F5i985qU1@individual.net...
> angelicusrex wrote:
>>> wow! yer a fucking idjit.
>>> suicide is always a bad option. always.
>>> even when yer in pain and need to get a morphine drip, suicide is not an
>>> option. euthanasia is not an option.
>>> God determines the span of a life, and no-one else. do not play God or
>>> you will burn in Hell.
>> Gosh, I really hope you are doing one of those insider jokes the people
>> here keep talking about. Otherwise I'd have to rake you over the coals of
>> fiery furnace which is the mouth of the lake of fire which burns forever
>> and ever amen and roast your sorry Christian ass like a Outback
>> Steakhouse T-Bone! Luckily, I think you're just joking here. Praise
>> JAYZUS! I'm SAVED!
>> So go fuck yourself, Pastor.
>> A.P.
>
> Jesus cries when you use bad words, you stupid fucking bitch!
are you still trying to pass yourself off as jesus fag boy?
Murphey's Laws Of Computing
1. When computing, whatever happens, behave as though you meant it to
happen.
2. When you get to the point where you really understand your computer, it's
probably obsolete.
3. The first place to look for information is in the section of the manual
where you least expect to find it.
4. When the going gets tough, upgrade.
5. For every action, there is an equal and opposite malfunction.
6. To err is human . . . to blame your computer for your mistakes is even
more human, it is downright natural.
7. He who laughs last probably made a back-up.
8. If at first you do not succeed, blame your computer.
9. A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved
from a simpler system that worked perfectly.
10. The number one cause of computer problems is computer solutions.
>
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>
>
Correspondent:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 3 Mar 2005 12:26:14 -0800
--------
The ONLY time Jesus WEPT was when he found out he was going to be
humiliated and then tortured and then executed by a bunch of jackass
idiot monkeys. Just to prove a point that there is NO DEATH and ALL OF
THIS BULLSHIT is ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS.
If he would have asked for MY OPINION on the matter. I would have told
to him to say FUCK IT. Go find yourself a SAUCY LITTLE WIFE with little
APPLE BLOSSOM BOOBIES and use your MAGIC POWERS to live COMFORTABLY as
long you would like to stay on this PISSHOLE of a PLANET.
But no one ever asks me for MY GODDAMN opinion. So I just GODDAMN
*OFFER* it *ANYWAY* and then get PROMPTLY *IGNORED*!
AND LOOK AT ALL THE GODDAMN *GOOD* THAT CAME OF IT! GODDAMN LOOK!
Correspondent:: weewee@myface.com (c (love bean quality tester))
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:01:00 GMT
--------
On 3 Mar 2005 12:26:14 -0800, brthrn@dangermedia.orgwent to
where the huskies go:
>The ONLY time Jesus WEPT was when he found out he was going to be
>humiliated and then tortured and then executed by a bunch of jackass
>idiot monkeys. Just to prove a point that there is NO DEATH and ALL OF
>THIS BULLSHIT is ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS.
>
>If he would have asked for MY OPINION on the matter. I would have told
>to him to say FUCK IT. Go find yourself a SAUCY LITTLE WIFE with little
>APPLE BLOSSOM BOOBIES and use your MAGIC POWERS to live COMFORTABLY as
>long you would like to stay on this PISSHOLE of a PLANET.
>
>But no one ever asks me for MY GODDAMN opinion. So I just GODDAMN
>*OFFER* it *ANYWAY* and then get PROMPTLY *IGNORED*!
>
>AND LOOK AT ALL THE GODDAMN *GOOD* THAT CAME OF IT! GODDAMN LOOK!
>
mmmm, apple blossom boobies.
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Correspondent:: "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:35:05 -0900
--------
On 3 Mar 2005 12:26:14 -0800, brthrn@dangermedia.org wrote in
alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<1109881574.133841.122660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
>
>But no one ever asks me for MY GODDAMN opinion. So I just GODDAMN
>*OFFER* it *ANYWAY* and then get PROMPTLY *IGNORED*!
I can't imagine why...
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Correspondent:: "BasketCase"
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:50:10 -0000
--------
wrote in message
news:1109881574.133841.122660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> The ONLY time Jesus WEPT was when he found out he was going to be
> humiliated and then tortured and then executed by a bunch of jackass
> idiot monkeys. Just to prove a point that there is NO DEATH and ALL OF
> THIS BULLSHIT is ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS.
>
> If he would have asked for MY OPINION on the matter. I would have told
> to him to say FUCK IT. Go find yourself a SAUCY LITTLE WIFE with little
> APPLE BLOSSOM BOOBIES and use your MAGIC POWERS to live COMFORTABLY as
>