Something for Stang to mull over...
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino"
Date: 16 Feb 2005 21:11:50 -0800
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>Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
Where did that name come from anyway? There's a lot of stuff like that
about the church I'd like to know, so I can expand upon my already
healthy stash of absolutely useless knowledge that serves no purpose
whatsoever.
The only thing keeping me from shelling out the cash for a copy of the
ARISE! DVD to replace my VHS one is my dashed hope that there might be
one of those neat commentary tracks with Stang, Philo, Dr. Howl,
Puzzling Evidence, Sterno, LIES, Lonesome Cowboy Dave, Wei, Chaz Smith,
Stang's ex-wife (that one ought to be comedy GOLD...) and whoever else,
talking about the origins of the Church and it's dogma. Maybe Janor as
well, but it's my understanding from reading some posts here that his
schedule is booked solid these days with walking up and down the
boardwalks of America with a cardboard box over his head calling
himself "Mr. TV". Hard to imagine someone cutting out on a lucrative
gig like that, but I haven't seen his act, so I shouldn't comment.
Mayhap it's brilliant. "You Can't Hide from God" sure as hell was.
Upon relfection, such a commentary track could very well turn out to be
nothing more that a series of steam of consciousness meanderings that
all begin the same way: "We ate a shit load of acid and had a
microphone..." Still might be neat to hear.
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:44:02 -0800
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Paul Casino wrote:
>
> >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
>
> Where did that name come from anyway? There's a lot of stuff like that
> about the church I'd like to know, so I can expand upon my already
> healthy stash of absolutely useless knowledge that serves no purpose
> whatsoever.
>
> The only thing keeping me from shelling out the cash for a copy of the
> ARISE! DVD to replace my VHS one is my dashed hope that there might be
> one of those neat commentary tracks with Stang, Philo, Dr. Howl, etc.
There is the Nenslo edition of the ARISE! DVD but the commentary track
is just me going "That's stupid. God, look at that! That guy is a
total jackass! Oh, I met that guy once, he was an idiot. I'd rather
see the whole movie that clip came from than even one second of this
halfassed crap. Well, that sucked. Oh, this part is REALLY stupid."
and so on.
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:26:41 -0800
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In article <42142F21.38279D1F@yahoox.com>, nenslo
wrote:
> Paul Casino wrote:
> >
> > >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
> >
> > Where did that name come from anyway? There's a lot of stuff like that
> > about the church I'd like to know, so I can expand upon my already
> > healthy stash of absolutely useless knowledge that serves no purpose
> > whatsoever.
> >
> > The only thing keeping me from shelling out the cash for a copy of the
> > ARISE! DVD to replace my VHS one is my dashed hope that there might be
> > one of those neat commentary tracks with Stang, Philo, Dr. Howl, etc.
>
> There is the Nenslo edition of the ARISE! DVD but the commentary track
> is just me going "That's stupid. God, look at that! That guy is a
> total jackass! Oh, I met that guy once, he was an idiot. I'd rather
> see the whole movie that clip came from than even one second of this
> halfassed crap. Well, that sucked. Oh, this part is REALLY stupid."
> and so on.
You'd make a good mystery science robot, you know that?
pob
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:33:53 -0500
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In article <170220050126412450%bear@pole.com>, polar bear
wrote:
> In article <42142F21.38279D1F@yahoox.com>, nenslo
> wrote:
>
> > Paul Casino wrote:
> > >
> > > >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
> > >
> > > Where did that name come from anyway? There's a lot of stuff like that
> > > about the church I'd like to know, so I can expand upon my already
> > > healthy stash of absolutely useless knowledge that serves no purpose
> > > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > The only thing keeping me from shelling out the cash for a copy of the
> > > ARISE! DVD to replace my VHS one is my dashed hope that there might be
> > > one of those neat commentary tracks with Stang, Philo, Dr. Howl, etc.
> >
> > There is the Nenslo edition of the ARISE! DVD but the commentary track
> > is just me going "That's stupid. God, look at that! That guy is a
> > total jackass! Oh, I met that guy once, he was an idiot. I'd rather
> > see the whole movie that clip came from than even one second of this
> > halfassed crap. Well, that sucked. Oh, this part is REALLY stupid."
> > and so on.
I can't say as my commentary track would be all that different. While
Cordt and I did a LOT with what TINY PITTANCE of time we had, when I
look at it now, all I do is think of how much better each and every
shot could be if completely replaced with something more recent. EACH
AND EVERY ONE, from zooms on artwork to devival hollering.
BUT!
That will always be true, forever, no matter how many times it gets a
complete overhaul, so, let its 1986 bulldada age in the cask with what
little dignity is allowed it, while we proceed with new productions.
Which is what I'm SUPPOSED to be doing instead of futzing around on
this dopey newsgroup.
Last night, when I was editing the 6XDay stuff some more, I DID IN
FACT, just as I was afraid I'd do, CLUTTER IT UP with TOO MANY needless
tricky transitions when simple cuts were better, just because I had all
these new gizmos to try out.
BUT, I went back through and UNDID the excesses and turned them BACK
into simple cuts. So THERE, me.
>
> You'd make a good mystery science robot, you know that?
>
> pob
But Mister SmartPants Nenslo COMPLETELY MISSED the opportunity to make
another MULLET crack. Right in the fucking HEADER for krise sake.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:27:36 -0500
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In article <1108617110.920055.74290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Casino wrote:
> >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
Does it really?
>
> Where did that name come from anyway? There's a lot of stuff like that
> about the church I'd like to know, so I can expand upon my already
> healthy stash of absolutely useless knowledge that serves no purpose
> whatsoever.
I bought the name AND my Texas accent at 7-11.
No seriously it's Anglicized down from Stankovich, which name I
inherited when my great-grandmother married a Stankovich.
My real name, had history not fucked over that side of the family,
would be Ivan Rasputin-Romanov, for I am the sole living heir to the
Throne of All the Russias.
No seriously Philo and I suddenly were invited onto a Ft. Worth talk
show by Mister Opinion on KFJZ who was filling in for George Nolan, and
Mister Opinion in his day job had been one of the 150 editors to whom I
sent Pamphlet #1 as a "book project query sample" in early 1980 right
after we'd printed that Pamphlet. Well his publishing company couldn't
use the Pamphlet but he sure wanted us to be on what was to be his own
first appearance as a talk show host on the radio. THAT NIGHT.
I suddenly thought, "Do I, new father of innocent babies, and with a
nice schoolteacher wife, really want to go on the radio talking about
this CULT which is in COMPETITION with JESUS, in Dallas Texas, Buckle
on the Bible Belt, using my REAL NAME as SHOWN IN THE PHONE BOOK? And,
moreover, who would believe, in this "religion" context, that "Douglass
Saint Clair Smith" is my REAL NAME, ANYWAY?"
I had a feeling that I might be stuck with whatever it was for a fake
name for a long time, so I didn't want anything overtly funny or silly;
in fact, it needed to sound realer than Doug Smith. But it should sound
a bit sinister and cultish. So I wrote down "DR. STRANGE" and knocked
off two letters and changed Dr. to Rev. Then I looked up Stang in the
Dallas phone book to make sure that I didn't cause a world of grief to
some real-life Stang by using his first name. There weren't many Stangs
but in the course of checking I saw an "Ivan" something, and thought,
ah, that sounds, Russian, Russian = Evil (this was 1980 remember),
"Ivan Stang," that sounds real enough.
Some assume I am Jewish because of this last name, not for very good
reason. Stang is a German name and I think means a stick or a bat. In
the middle ages, adulterers who had been caught were ridden through
town tied to a rail, being pelted with garbage by townsfolk, and this
was called "Riding the Stang."
Today, "to make a stang" means "to commit a theft or robbery" in Street
Rap Lingo of the American inner city.
I think.
>
> The only thing keeping me from shelling out the cash for a copy of the
> ARISE! DVD to replace my VHS one is my dashed hope that there might be
> one of those neat commentary tracks with Stang, Philo, Dr. Howl,
> Puzzling Evidence, Sterno, LIES, Lonesome Cowboy Dave, Wei, Chaz Smith,
> Stang's ex-wife (that one ought to be comedy GOLD...) and whoever else,
> talking about the origins of the Church and it's dogma. Maybe Janor as
> well, but it's my understanding from reading some posts here that his
> schedule is booked solid these days with walking up and down the
> boardwalks of America with a cardboard box over his head calling
> himself "Mr. TV". Hard to imagine someone cutting out on a lucrative
> gig like that, but I haven't seen his act, so I shouldn't comment.
> Mayhap it's brilliant. "You Can't Hide from God" sure as hell was.
>
> Upon relfection, such a commentary track could very well turn out to be
> nothing more that a series of steam of consciousness meanderings that
> all begin the same way: "We ate a shit load of acid and had a
> microphone..." Still might be neat to hear.
>
No...
Somewhere I have a list of every movie that every clip came from, that
we could identify. Polygram made us remove some of the clips owned by
Paramount or showing Elvis or Marilyn, and so the VHS green-box copy is
actually the "Director's Cut" even though it is older. The DVD however
does have some Saddams and Bushes added here and there to replace some
of the Reagans and Gorbys.
I am fixing to redo the DVD one more time, mainly to fix the Austin PO
Box shown in it (although mail to there is still forwarded, SUPPOSEDLY;
I haven't gotten any in months). My software and machines have been
improved since the first ARISE DVD and this time I may be able to give
it some extras like the "CENSORED SCENES FROM ARISE," 13 minutes of
Dokstok, Bleeding Head, and Frop related bits that currently are only
on the pre-Dobbs Stangfilms reel.
But it moves too FAST for a commentary!
I wrote the narration script on a plane to San Francisco the day before
we started formal editing. (I had done a super-rough, narrationless
ARISE in Betamax already.) The stewardess was REALLY angry at me
because she was certain I was on speed. I ordered a dinner but didn't
eat it. But I was merely an Emergentile In Slack.
We recorded the narration in Gary G'Broagfran's basement on a 4-track
cassette deck. We also had alternate narrations read by me and by G.
Gordon Gordon but Hal's was best.
I created the basic outline and picked where and which devival clips
were used to illustrate what sections. Cordt did more of the
badfilm-culling than I did, after I had gotten the ball rolling in that
direction. The "Intro Barrage" section predates the rest of the video
by a year or so. That audio was recorded on the sly in some Boston
radio station that Bleepo Abernathy worked at.
Neither Cordt nor I owned any editing equipment -- it was 3/4" video
cartridges in them days -- so we worked on it piecemeal for a couple of
years. The footage was shipped back and forth between SF where Cordt
lived and Dallas where I lived, depending on who had access to gear. I
edited a lot of it in the basement of a Dallas disco because the nice
kids that ran the disco light show liked SubGenius and let me cut on
their stuff whenever it was free.
The 1990s Ohio SubGenii like Princess Wei, Lonesome, etc. were not
involved in ARISE. They were UnSaved then.
What you're really hankering for is The True Story of the Church of the
SubGenius, which I am working on, in fact that's why I typed all this.
I want to get the lies down right, before somebody else tries to,
because they WILL get the lies all wrong. The guesswork that people
apply to it now is generally so far off, and so mired in stereotypal
expectations, that it's almost but not quite funny ENOUGH to just let
people think what they were guessing anyway. Certainly some of the
guesswork is more BELIEVABLE as a story than some of what actually
happened.
Expected release date for the True Story book/DVD is around Feb. 18,
2015, or The Day After X-Day, whichever comes first.
--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB
Correspondent:: Sternodox
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:43:31 -0600
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You should hear how Janor got HIS name! It DID involve lots of acid and
microphones. And chainsaws and Arnold Palmer. But mostly NHEE GHEE.
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:17:30 -0800
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In article <180220051227366950%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>, "Rev. Ivan
Stang" wrote:
> In article <1108617110.920055.74290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Paul
> Casino wrote:
>
> > >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
>
> Does it really?
>
No, but the odds of being called on it are pretty low.
How many people do you know that speak Latvian?
pb
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:42:50 GMT
--------
polar bear wrote:
>In article <180220051227366950%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>, "Rev. Ivan
>Stang" wrote:
>
>> In article <1108617110.920055.74290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Paul
>> Casino wrote:
>>
>> > >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
>>
>> Does it really?
>>
>No, but the odds of being called on it are pretty low.
>How many people do you know that speak Latvian?
>
>pb
Offshore Banking in Latvia
http://www.taxhavenco.com/latvia.html
Correspondent:: "krustymadfaker"
Date: 19 Feb 2005 00:44:45 -0800
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In article <1108617110.920055.74...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Casino wrote:
> >Bad news dude. Ivan Stang means I Want Pussy in Latvian.
Does it really?
> Where did that name come from anyway? There's a lot of stuff like
that
> about the church I'd like to know, so I can expand upon my already
> healthy stash of absolutely useless knowledge that serves no purpose
> whatsoever.
I bought the name AND my Texas accent at 7-11.
No seriously it's Anglicized down from Stankovich, which name I
inherited when my great-grandmother married a Stankovich.
My real name, had history not fucked over that side of the family,
would be Ivan Rasputin-Romanov, for I am the sole living heir to the
Throne of All the Russias.
No seriously Philo and I suddenly were invited onto a Ft. Worth talk
show by Mister Opinion on KFJZ who was filling in for George Nolan, and
Mister Opinion in his day job had been one of the 150 editors to whom I
sent Pamphlet #1 as a "book project query sample" in early 1980 right
after we'd printed that Pamphlet. Well his publishing company couldn't
use the Pamphlet but he sure wanted us to be on what was to be his own
first appearance as a talk show host on the radio. THAT NIGHT.
I suddenly thought, "Do I, new father of innocent babies, and with a
nice schoolteacher wife, really want to go on the radio talking about
this CULT which is in COMPETITION with JESUS, in Dallas Texas, Buckle
on the Bible Belt, using my REAL NAME as SHOWN IN THE PHONE BOOK? And,
moreover, who would believe, in this "religion" context, that "Douglass
Saint Clair Smith" is my REAL NAME, ANYWAY?"
I had a feeling that I might be stuck with whatever it was for a fake
name for a long time, so I didn't want anything overtly funny or silly;
in fact, it needed to sound realer than Doug Smith. But it should sound
a bit sinister and cultish. So I wrote down "DR. STRANGE" and knocked
off two letters and changed Dr. to Rev. Then I looked up Stang in the
Dallas phone book to make sure that I didn't cause a world of grief to
some real-life Stang by using his first name. There weren't many Stangs
but in the course of checking I saw an "Ivan" something, and thought,
ah, that sounds, Russian, Russian = Evil (this was 1980 remember),
"Ivan Stang," that sounds real enough.
Some assume I am Jewish because of this last name, not for very good
reason. Stang is a German name and I think means a stick or a bat. In
the middle ages, adulterers who had been caught were ridden through
town tied to a rail, being pelted with garbage by townsfolk, and this
was called "Riding the Stang."
Today, "to make a stang" means "to commit a theft or robbery" in Street
Rap Lingo of the American inner city.
I think.
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> The only thing keeping me from shelling out the cash for a copy of
the
> ARISE! DVD to replace my VHS one is my dashed hope that there might
be
> one of those neat commentary tracks with Stang, Philo, Dr. Howl,
> Puzzling Evidence, Sterno, LIES, Lonesome Cowboy Dave, Wei, Chaz
Smith,
> Stang's ex-wife (that one ought to be comedy GOLD...) and whoever
else,
> talking about the origins of the Church and it's dogma. Maybe Janor
as
> well, but it's my understanding from reading some posts here that his
> schedule is booked solid these days with walking up and down the
> boardwalks of America with a cardboard box over his head calling
> himself "Mr. TV". Hard to imagine someone cutting out on a lucrative
> gig like that, but I haven't seen his act, so I shouldn't comment.
> Mayhap it's brilliant. "You Can't Hide from God" sure as hell was.
> Upon relfection, such a commentary track could very well turn out to
be
> nothing more that a series of steam of consciousness meanderings that
> all begin the same way: "We ate a shit load of acid and had a
> microphone..." Still might be neat to hear.
No...
Somewhere I have a list of every movie that every clip came from, that
we could identify. Polygram made us remove some of the clips owned by
Paramount or showing Elvis or Marilyn, and so the VHS green-box copy is
actually the "Director's Cut" even though it is older. The DVD however
does have some Saddams and Bushes added here and there to replace some
of the Reagans and Gorbys.
I am fixing to redo the DVD one more time, mainly to fix the Austin PO
Box shown in it (although mail to there is still forwarded, SUPPOSEDLY;
I haven't gotten any in months). My software and machines have been
improved since the first ARISE DVD and this time I may be able to give
it some extras like the "CENSORED SCENES FROM ARISE," 13 minutes of
Dokstok, Bleeding Head, and Frop related bits that currently are only
on the pre-Dobbs Stangfilms reel.
But it moves too FAST for a commentary!
I wrote the narration script on a plane to San Francisco the day before
we started formal editing. (I had done a super-rough, narrationless
ARISE in Betamax already.) The stewardess was REALLY angry at me
because she was certain I was on speed. I ordered a dinner but didn't
eat it. But I was merely an Emergentile In Slack.
We recorded the narration in Gary G'Broagfran's basement on a 4-track
cassette deck. We also had alternate narrations read by me and by G.
Gordon Gordon but Hal's was best.
I created the basic outline and picked where and which devival clips
were used to illustrate what sections. Cordt did more of the
badfilm-culling than I did, after I had gotten the ball rolling in that
direction. The "Intro Barrage" section predates the rest of the video
by a year or so. That audio was recorded on the sly in some Boston
radio station that Bleepo Abernathy worked at.
Neither Cordt nor I owned any editing equipment -- it was 3/4" video
cartridges in them days -- so we worked on it piecemeal for a couple of
years. The footage was shipped back and forth between SF where Cordt
lived and Dallas where I lived, depending on who had access to gear. I
edited a lot of it in the basement of a Dallas disco because the nice
kids that ran the disco light show liked SubGenius and let me cut on
their stuff whenever it was free.
The 1990s Ohio SubGenii like Princess Wei, Lonesome, etc. were not
involved in ARISE. They were UnSaved then.
What you're really hankering for is The True Story of the Church of the
SubGenius, which I am working on, in fact that's why I typed all this.
I want to get the lies down right, before somebody else tries to,
because they WILL get the lies all wrong. The guesswork that people
apply to it now is generally so far off, and so mired in stereotypal
expectations, that it's almost but not quite funny ENOUGH to just let
people think what they were guessing anyway. Certainly some of the
guesswork is more BELIEVABLE as a story than some of what actually
happened. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nice try you can't fool me I'm not even that old or smart and I know
your real name is Rev. Ivan Stang but your Philip K. Dick influential
story is very entertaining and I must say inspirational. Some will be
fooled and take it as Gospel and some tricked into taking it as their
own.