enough storage for even Rev Stang
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:36:01 -0700

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http://tinyurl.com/6szv2

Six companies, including Fuji Photo and CMC
Magnentics, have formed a consortium to promote
HVD technology, which will let consumers conceivably
put a terabyte (1TB) of data onto a single optical disc.

A TB-size disc would certainly compress movie collections.
The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data
as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit
per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.

HVD is a possible successor to technologies such as Blu-ray
and HD DVD. Single layer Blu-ray discs hold about 25GB of
data while dual-layer discs hold 50GB. Ordinary DVD discs,
meanwhile, hold about 4.7GB. HVD technology will be pitched
at corporations and the entertainment market, the HVD
Alliance said...


--
"Mars was destroyed with weapons from the future.
There, does that make you feel any better?"
-- nu-monet


Correspondent:: "Chain Smerker"
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:04:08 GMT

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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
news:4203F8D1.30A7@succeeds.com...
> http://tinyurl.com/6szv2
>
> Six companies, including Fuji Photo and CMC
> Magnentics, have formed a consortium to promote
> HVD technology, which will let consumers conceivably
> put a terabyte (1TB) of data onto a single optical disc.
>
> A TB-size disc would certainly compress movie collections.
> The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data
> as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit
> per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.
>

Damn!, remember the old days when a 500 megabytle Hard disk was more then
enough, now all we need is cheap enough broadband connections.

But this may put more strain on the larger movie distributers, I can just
see one day some guy selling 200 movies on one disk for $20.

In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.




Correspondent:: endus
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:33:30 -0500

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:04:08 GMT, "Chain Smerker"
wrote:

>
>"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
>news:4203F8D1.30A7@succeeds.com...
>> http://tinyurl.com/6szv2
>>
>> Six companies, including Fuji Photo and CMC
>> Magnentics, have formed a consortium to promote
>> HVD technology, which will let consumers conceivably
>> put a terabyte (1TB) of data onto a single optical disc.
>>
>> A TB-size disc would certainly compress movie collections.
>> The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data
>> as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit
>> per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.
>>
>
>Damn!, remember the old days when a 500 megabytle Hard disk was more then
>enough, now all we need is cheap enough broadband connections.

I remember when I didn't even think about filling my 30 meg hard drive
(waits for someone even more oldschool to chime in)

>In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
>floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
>some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.

The longevity of optical disks is already questionable. They're not
really an archival media.

I could easily fit my porn collection on one though, I'm in!


--
endus at endus dot com

The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson


Correspondent:: James Aubuchon
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:41:50 GMT

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Chain Smerker wrote:

> In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
> floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
> some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.
>
>

Of course it begs the question of why they don't simply place optical
disks into protective cases like the 3.5" disks. It would be quite
simple actually, but I guess the con wants our money so they leave them
out in the open to be easily scratched.

And we buy them....

Jim


Correspondent:: wcb
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:55:48 -0600

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James Aubuchon wrote:

> Chain Smerker wrote:
>
>> In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way
>> of floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data
>> after some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.
>>
>>
>
> Of course it begs the question of why they don't simply place optical
> disks into protective cases like the 3.5" disks. It would be quite
> simple actually, but I guess the con wants our money so they leave them
> out in the open to be easily scratched.
>
> And we buy them....
>
> Jim


Not to mention finding that 5 years on now, many DVDs
ever so carefully cared for and stored correctly are
disentergrating and unplayable anyway.

Not to mention all those data managers who stored backups of important data
on DVD or CD are finding that paper stick on labels over time destroy these
things.




--


Cheerful Charlie


Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:47:45 -0500

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In article , wcb
wrote:

> James Aubuchon wrote:
>
> > Chain Smerker wrote:
> >
> >> In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way
> >> of floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data
> >> after some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Of course it begs the question of why they don't simply place optical
> > disks into protective cases like the 3.5" disks. It would be quite
> > simple actually, but I guess the con wants our money so they leave them
> > out in the open to be easily scratched.
> >
> > And we buy them....
> >
> > Jim
>
>
> Not to mention finding that 5 years on now, many DVDs
> ever so carefully cared for and stored correctly are
> disentergrating and unplayable anyway.
>
> Not to mention all those data managers who stored backups of important data
> on DVD or CD are finding that paper stick on labels over time destroy these
> things.

I have been wondering about all this. You can tell by looking at them
that the soft goo that makes up a DVD-R is gonna eventually go bad --
JUST FROM BEING LOOKED AT!

I put paper labels on the CDRs that we sell but I don't put any label
at all on the "master disks" that I keep back-up on -- al labeling is
on the paper label of the jewel case.

I can't abide those slimline cases -- no place on the EDGE to put a
readable LABEL. I have to be able to scan a row of 100 CDs and be able
to pick out the right one without having to shuffle through all of
them.

I have a little dingleberry of a program whoch will copy computer files
onto DV VIDEOTAPE in my DV VIDEO CAMERA for back-up! Only gets about a
gig or two per 1-hour tape though. If those DV tapes are anything like
my old Betamax tapes, that means they'll last about 10-15 years tops.

But if it's digital you just keep copying it. Hell each year there's a
new format that'l hold everything from the previous five years' formats
on one [holocube].

IF WHAT YOU HAVE IS REALLY ALL THAT VALUABLE -- that's where the pure
human vanity enters the picture, and the compulsive pack-rattedness. IS
IT REALLY WORTH KEEPING is the question. Will the intelligent
cockroaches who unearth it 100 million years from now GET OFF on it?

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB


Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:08:08 -0800

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I believe Rev. Stang could be stored in a regulation army footlocker and
a cheap plastic dropcloth.


Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:41:44 -0500

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In article <2LTMd.568$wK.70@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, James
Aubuchon wrote:

> Chain Smerker wrote:
>
> > In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
> > floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
> > some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.
> >
> >
>
> Of course it begs the question of why they don't simply place optical
> disks into protective cases like the 3.5" disks. It would be quite
> simple actually, but I guess the con wants our money so they leave them
> out in the open to be easily scratched.
>
> And we buy them....
>

I also bought 50 boxes all exactly 20x10x6 inches so I could stack up a
couple of WALLS of them safely.

AND I HAVE A DUPLICATE WALL AT ANOTHER BUILDING!!

Not sure WHY, just seems better than leaving it on the ground like an
old stone hand-axe that's done the cutting it was made for.

(meanwhile my complete collection of Creepy and Eerie magazines, old
Famous Monsters and underground comic books lies in utter stasis at
minus 100 degrees F in a vault beneath Dobbstown -- AND I LOST THE
KEY!!!)

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB


Correspondent:: "Giles"
Date: 5 Feb 2005 09:55:03 -0800

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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:

> (meanwhile my complete collection of Creepy and Eerie magazines, old
> Famous Monsters and underground comic books lies in utter stasis at
> minus 100 degrees F in a vault beneath Dobbstown -- AND I LOST THE
> KEY!!!)
>

You have a complete collection of Creepy? (Yay!)

Or you lost it?
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Please tell us more.

Old Uncle Creepy was the greatest!



Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:43:25 GMT

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In article <1107626103.264228.239240@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Giles" wrote:

> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> > (meanwhile my complete collection of Creepy and Eerie magazines, old
> > Famous Monsters and underground comic books lies in utter stasis at
> > minus 100 degrees F in a vault beneath Dobbstown -- AND I LOST THE
> > KEY!!!)
> >
> > You have a complete collection of Creepy? (Yay!)
> > Or you lost it?
> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
> > Please tell us more.
> > Old Uncle Creepy was the greatest!

Old Uncle Creepy now runs his own cult, hint hint. He needs new gloves,
so please sign my hump for $5 a pop and we'll have him in fresh ones
before you can say whatever filthy thing is on the tip of your tongue
anyway or IDRMRSR can order a block of shit over the Net.

--

HellPope Huey
Oh, what a beautiful morning, ya jerks

"So you managed to get here
without having your knickers blown off.
~ Prince Philip, to a farmer's wife
from Northern Ireland
visiting London for a charity event.

"I like it, but of course,
I'm from the underbelly of society."
- "That 70s Show"


Correspondent:: wcb
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:53:34 -0600

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Chain Smerker wrote:

>
> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
> news:4203F8D1.30A7@succeeds.com...
>> http://tinyurl.com/6szv2
>>
>> Six companies, including Fuji Photo and CMC
>> Magnentics, have formed a consortium to promote
>> HVD technology, which will let consumers conceivably
>> put a terabyte (1TB) of data onto a single optical disc.
>>
>> A TB-size disc would certainly compress movie collections.
>> The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data
>> as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit
>> per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.
>>
>
> Damn!, remember the old days when a 500 megabytle Hard disk was more then
> enough, now all we need is cheap enough broadband connections.
>
> But this may put more strain on the larger movie distributers, I can just
> see one day some guy selling 200 movies on one disk for $20.
>
> In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
> floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
> some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.

Late TV commercial....

Now! 200 of your favorite horror movies on one disk!
Now, for a limited time, get them all! Frankenstein, the Wolfman,
the Mummy, and more! Now only $29.95! Not sold in stores!
And if you act now, Free, 500 classic Cartoons!

Yes by Dobbs, gather every damned public domain movie you can get
your hands on and PEDDLE THE HELL OUT OF IT!


--


Cheerful Charlie


Correspondent:: "Giles"
Date: 4 Feb 2005 22:36:24 -0800

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wcb wrote:

>
> Yes by Dobbs, gather every damned public domain movie you can get
> your hands on and PEDDLE THE HELL OUT OF IT!
>
That's why your friends at Disney rewrote the copyright law to keep
everything they could out of the public domain.



Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:56:05 -0500

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In article <1107585384.601329.112810@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Giles wrote:

> wcb wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes by Dobbs, gather every damned public domain movie you can get
> > your hands on and PEDDLE THE HELL OUT OF IT!
> >
> That's why your friends at Disney rewrote the copyright law to keep
> everything they could out of the public domain.
>

I AM WITH DISNEY ON THAT. They wanted to keep everything THEY HAD
PRODUCED out of public domain as long as possible. If everything else
takes longer to go into public domain, then PRAISE FUCKING "BOB." I
think the period should be more like 300 years.

Regarding copyright law I'm far to the right of Ayn Rand. When you have
an intellectual property that a lot of people try to steal constantly,
you sometimes develop a whole different attitude from the people who
might simply want to do the stealing.

My friends in Negativland and I had to agree to disagree about certain
points. The devil is in the details, though, which is why blanket
statements about copyright in general don't actually make much sense in
the specific.

It all boils down to whether your lawyer and the judge are in the same
country club anyway.

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB


Correspondent:: chip@pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:21:10 -0000

--------
According to stang@subgeniusNOSPUMMY.com:
>Regarding copyright law I'm far to the right of Ayn Rand. When you have
>an intellectual property that a lot of people try to steal constantly,
>you sometimes develop a whole different attitude from the people who
>might simply want to do the stealing.

At which point we notice the huge "LIAR" written on Stang's forehead.
--
Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. -
"What I cannot create, I do not understand." - Richard Feynman


Correspondent:: "Giles"
Date: 16 Feb 2005 16:17:28 -0800

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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> In article <1107585384.601329.112810@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> Giles wrote:
>
> > wcb wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Yes by Dobbs, gather every damned public domain movie you can get
> > > your hands on and PEDDLE THE HELL OUT OF IT!
> > >
> > That's why your friends at Disney rewrote the copyright law to keep
> > everything they could out of the public domain.
> >
>
> I AM WITH DISNEY ON THAT. They wanted to keep everything THEY HAD
> PRODUCED out of public domain as long as possible. If everything else
> takes longer to go into public domain, then PRAISE FUCKING "BOB." I
> think the period should be more like 300 years.
>
> Regarding copyright law I'm far to the right of Ayn Rand. When you
have
> an intellectual property that a lot of people try to steal
constantly,
> you sometimes develop a whole different attitude from the people who
> might simply want to do the stealing.
>
> My friends in Negativland and I had to agree to disagree about
certain
> points. The devil is in the details, though, which is why blanket
> statements about copyright in general don't actually make much sense
in
> the specific.
>
> It all boils down to whether your lawyer and the judge are in the
same
> country club anyway.
>
> --
"Should the Girl Scouts have to fork over a fee to the American Society
of Composers, Authors and Publishers every time its young members want
to sing "Happy Birthday" to one another?

Should the organizers of athletic events have to seek permission from
the United States Olympic Committee to use the word "Olympics" in the
titles of their events?"

http://tinyurl.com/4a2yc

"Are Bullies After Our Culture?
Brand Name Bullies ($25, 2005, John Wiley & Sons), by activist David
Bollier.

As the title suggests, the book is an intense critique of the U.S.
copyright and trademark system and the corporations that use it as a
weapon against competitors and anyone else who might threaten them.
Bollier argues that the court's willingness to let corporations get
away with such bullying is increasingly eroding our "cultural commons"
-- the collection of images, stories, sounds and other creative
expressions that, due to their significance and prevalence, no longer
belong to any single person or company.

To prove his point that the commons is under attack, Bollier has filled
Bullies with example after example of how corporate lawyers have
swooped in on artists and consumers who have tried to use products and
logos in ways other than those prescribed by the corporations
themselves....

In addition to such cases of alleged bullying, Bollier is concerned
with the control that companies are increasingly being given over
cultural markers that they themselves appropriated from the commons.

As an example, he points to the bizarre fact that the racist stereotype
of a jovial kitchen servant known as Aunt Jemima -- the female
counterpart to Uncle Tom in American history -- now belongs to Quaker
Oats, which uses the name and concept for its line of pancake batter
and syrup. When artist Andy Warhol wanted to paint a rendition of Aunt
Jemima as part of a portfolio of American icons that he was compiling,
Quaker Oats sent him a warning letter and threatened to take legal
action if he continued. "

Oh, mammy!



Correspondent:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 16 Feb 2005 17:10:35 -0800

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Hey! Look! It's Giles! The stuttering homo-beast!



Correspondent:: "Giles"
Date: 16 Feb 2005 17:40:12 -0800

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brthrn@dangermedia.org wrote:
> Hey! Look! It's Giles!

Guess you're 19 now:

http://tinyurl.com/52hmf

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Newsgroups: alt.slack
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Correspondent:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 16 Feb 2005 18:00:17 -0800

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Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:01:08 +1100

--------

> In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
> floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
> some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.

yet the bandwidth of sending one of those disks through the mail would
be what, 1 terabyte in four days? 12,725,829 bytes per second. woot.


Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:08:41 -0500

--------
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:01:08 +1100, nikolai kingsley wrote:


> yet the bandwidth of sending one of those disks through the mail would
> be what, 1 terabyte in four days? 12,725,829 bytes per second. woot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A678576


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Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:35:09 -0500

--------
In article , Chain
Smerker wrote:

> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
> news:4203F8D1.30A7@succeeds.com...
> > http://tinyurl.com/6szv2
> >
> > Six companies, including Fuji Photo and CMC
> > Magnentics, have formed a consortium to promote
> > HVD technology, which will let consumers conceivably
> > put a terabyte (1TB) of data onto a single optical disc.
> >
> > A TB-size disc would certainly compress movie collections.
> > The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data
> > as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit
> > per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.
> >
>
> Damn!, remember the old days when a 500 megabytle Hard disk was more then
> enough, now all we need is cheap enough broadband connections.
>
> But this may put more strain on the larger movie distributers, I can just
> see one day some guy selling 200 movies on one disk for $20.

There are people giving away 200 movies every month for FREE already.

And they all fit on one disk -- PHILO'S HARD DRIVE!

>
> In the long term though I think optical devices are going to go the way of
> floppy disks, can you imaganine somone loosing 1 terrabyte of Data after
> some jerk scratched the disk or left in in direct sunlight.

ALL THINGS are going the way of floppy disks. Can you imagine someone
losing their entire hard-earned lifetime of memories and consciousness
just because some God built them so their heart would stop beating
someday.

"Everything comes apart, one way or another." -- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
"They always end up on their heads." -- no longer sure

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:08:33 GMT

--------
In article <050220051135092598%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>,
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:

> Can you imagine someone
> losing their entire hard-earned lifetime of memories and consciousness
> just because some God built them so their heart would stop beating
> someday.

It is sometimes the case that the heart stops and they keep shambling
around. These creatures are known as insurance adjusters, 7th Day
Adventists or "Mr. President."

--

HellPope Huey
Oh, what a beautiful morning, ya jerks

"So you managed to get here
without having your knickers blown off.
~ Prince Philip, to a farmer's wife
from Northern Ireland
visiting London for a charity event.

"I like it, but of course,
I'm from the underbelly of society."
- "That 70s Show"


Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:31:39 -0500

--------
In article <4203F8D1.30A7@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/6szv2
>
> Six companies, including Fuji Photo and CMC
> Magnentics, have formed a consortium to promote
> HVD technology, which will let consumers conceivably
> put a terabyte (1TB) of data onto a single optical disc.
>
> A TB-size disc would certainly compress movie collections.
> The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data
> as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit
> per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.
>
> HVD is a possible successor to technologies such as Blu-ray
> and HD DVD. Single layer Blu-ray discs hold about 25GB of
> data while dual-layer discs hold 50GB. Ordinary DVD discs,
> meanwhile, hold about 4.7GB. HVD technology will be pitched
> at corporations and the entertainment market, the HVD
> Alliance said...

"A computer is a box which, every three months, you crack open the top
and shovel money into." -- some guy on alt.slack when I first got
online and expressed surprise at how I kept needing to add shit to my
gear.

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB