Any Sitchin Fans?
Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:48:07 -0500

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Don't know if any of you assorted people are into this kind of thing but
just in case... The author Zecharia Sitchin speaks of early religious
history being based on a 12th planet full of aliens that are partially
responsible for mankind. It happened many thousands of years ago in
ancient Sumeria. Anyway, he uses information found from these "cylinder
seals" that were found in various archaeological digs throughout the
middle east.

Apparently, at the beginning of the Iraqi War, supposed looters broke
into holy places and stole the seals... Effectively "erasing" the proof
of ancient astronauts. The US is (again) supposedly trying to help
recover these seals for the Iraqis.

Methinks something strange is afoot. I wonder who the looters were and
of all the seals missing... how many have we "found"? Seams like someone
doesn't want the worlds myriad of religions to know something. I looked
through some of these seals in college but I don't remember seeing a
likeness of our beloved "Bob"

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7361426
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny

"Your enemy is not surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your
country."
-George Orwell


Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:31:55 -0700

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Reverend Kenny wrote:
>
> Don't know if any of you assorted people are
> into this kind of thing but just in case...
> The author Zecharia Sitchin speaks of early
> religious history being based on a 12th planet
> full of aliens that are partially responsible
> for mankind. It happened many thousands of
> years ago in ancient Sumeria. Anyway, he uses
> information found from these "cylinder seals"
> that were found in various archaeological digs
> throughout the middle east...


This makes no sense whatsoever. To start with,
from the Earth, you can only see a maximum of
five planets. The ancients never considered
the possibility that Earth was a sixth planet,
but just for the sake of argument, let's say
they did.

Even with modern telescopes, there are only 3
more planets in our solar system. For a grand
sum total of 9.

So what about planets #10 and #11? Or, from
their point of view, #6-#12?

Second, near humans and proper humans, that are
almost indistiguishable from the modern human,
have been around perhaps 50,000 or more years,
but the earliest Sumerian *anything* is only
about 5,000 years old.

This would seem to suggest that the aliens did
their thing, that mankind wrote it down, or at
least kept the alien transcript of the genetic
modifications, for 45,000 years before doing
anything else of moment.

"My son, let me tell you the story of how the
aliens from the 12th planet made us people."

"Uh, Dad? First of all, what is an 'alien',
a 'story', the number twelve, a 'planet', and
what are 'people'?

"None of that is important right now. Just be
sure to remember what I'm telling you, so
eventually someday it will all make sense to
somebody."


--
Herring communicate with each other
via a high-pitched, "raspberry"-like
sound emitted from their anuses.
These noises are not produced by
digestive gases.
-- from 'The New Scientist'


Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:40:28 -0500

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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> This makes no sense whatsoever. To start with,
> from the Earth, you can only see a maximum of
> five planets. The ancients never considered
> the possibility that Earth was a sixth planet,
> but just for the sake of argument, let's say
> they did.
>
> Even with modern telescopes, there are only 3
> more planets in our solar system. For a grand
> sum total of 9.
>
> So what about planets #10 and #11? Or, from
> their point of view, #6-#12?
The sun counted as well as the moon (10-11)
Then this mysterious planet X would be 12.

>
> Second, near humans and proper humans, that are
> almost indistiguishable from the modern human,
> have been around perhaps 50,000 or more years,
> but the earliest Sumerian *anything* is only
> about 5,000 years old.

You should read these books and a few other authors then
A lot of these objects and stories are thought to be in excess of 40,000
years old.
>
> This would seem to suggest that the aliens did
> their thing, that mankind wrote it down, or at
> least kept the alien transcript of the genetic
> modifications, for 45,000 years before doing
> anything else of moment.
>
> "My son, let me tell you the story of how the
> aliens from the 12th planet made us people."
>
> "Uh, Dad? First of all, what is an 'alien',
> a 'story', the number twelve, a 'planet', and
> what are 'people'?
>
> "None of that is important right now. Just be
> sure to remember what I'm telling you, so
> eventually someday it will all make sense to
> somebody."

Every play the game "telephone" when you were younger? 20 kids sit in a
circle, the first kid whispers a story to the second kid and so on
around the circle, by the time you get to the last kid the story is
unrecognizable.

This game is actually taught in high level religious education to make a
point about the origins of the Bible, Torah, and Koran.

--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny

"Your enemy is not surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your
country."
-George Orwell


Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:23:07 -0700

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Reverend Kenny wrote:
>
> > So what about planets #10 and #11? Or, from
> > their point of view, #6-#12?
>
> The sun counted as well as the moon (10-11)
> Then this mysterious planet X would be 12.
>

Except that no, zero, ancient people thought that
either the sun or the moon were anything like the
planets.

A very brief intro into everything the Sumerians
knew about astronomy:

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumercalendars.html

> >
> > Second, near humans and proper humans, that are
> > almost indistiguishable from the modern human,
> > have been around perhaps 50,000 or more years,
> > but the earliest Sumerian *anything* is only
> > about 5,000 years old.
>
> You should read these books and a few other authors
> then. A lot of these objects and stories are
> thought to be in excess of 40,000 years old.

Stories are one thing. But the earliest written
language dates from about 3000 BCE. So while there
are pictures that pre-date 3000 BCE, they have no
substantial equivalent in language. Even languages
that evolved later are so different from modern
languages, like Hebrew, which has no vowels, that
they are wildly misinterpreted, even though they
are still used today.

For example, the top Hebrew language expert in the
world took 25 years to re-interpret just the first
book of Genesis in the bible, based on incredible
study of ancient Hebrew in the best context he could
make. It not only sounds entirely different from
either the modern Jewish Genesis and the King James
Genesis and the French Duane Bible Genesis, but it
is also a rhythmical *poem*, written in verse.

This is important, because pictures are far harder
to interpret than words, from an utterly dead culture.
It leaves up to the imagination, *out of context*,
what those pictures mean. For example, what does the
picture of a spiral mean?

To an ancient person it might have been just a
thingy he saw in nature. To assume it is a depiction
of a spiral galaxy is a bit of a stretch. However,
these guys make such fantastic extrapolations all of
the time.

Even real evolution of thought escapes these guys,
for example, Erich von Däniken pointing to the great
pyramids as having been built by aliens because they
*had* to have been built by aliens, being too complex
from the ancient Egyptians to have made. While ignoring
the fact that all over Egypt are examples of the often
failed evolution of pyramid engineering that stretch
well over a thousand years. Now, had they just built
a pyramid from scratch, with no experience, that would
have been something, but they had a thousand years
practice. No need for aliens at all.

But then, in a "Stargate" leap of faith, they also
assume things like the Egyptians were copying giant
pyramid-shaped alien spacecraft, or maybe the Pharoahs
copied the space helmets of Battlestar Galactica Viper
pilots.


> Every play the game "telephone" when you were
> younger? 20 kids sit in a circle, the first kid
> whispers a story to the second kid and so on
> around the circle, by the time you get to the last
> kid the story is unrecognizable.
>
> This game is actually taught in high level religious
> education to make a point about the origins of the
> Bible, Torah, and Koran.


Did *you* ever play that game with someone in it who
*intentionally* tries to distort the message? *Not*
some accidental boo-boo, but who changes the message
from "The baby ducks went swimming with mommy duck at
the lake", to "Mrs Johnson just pooped in her pants!"

Yeah, I could believe that about a lot of religions,
too.

--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet


Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:24:37 -0500

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This isn't an argument... It's nothing I personally believe. I'm just
quoting sources I've read over 20 years of education. It's not supposed
to be a debate, just sharing information.

nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

> Except that no, zero, ancient people thought that
> either the sun or the moon were anything like the
> planets.

They thought the Sun and Moon were Gods. There are some lines of thought
suggesting the entire story of the virgin birth is based on the Sun
(son) as it passes through the legs of the Virgo constellation. Hence
the virgin giving birth to the son. The only problem I had with this
theory is that the sun moves in the opposite direction. If you use a
astronomy program the suns path actually "enters" between Virgos legs. :-)

>
> A very brief intro into everything the Sumerians
> knew about astronomy:
>
> http://www.crystalinks.com/sumercalendars.html
Crystalinks is a private website. I wouldn't quote anything posted
there. LOL! It's all conjecture for the most part.

>
>
>>>Second, near humans and proper humans, that are
>>>almost indistiguishable from the modern human,
>>>have been around perhaps 50,000 or more years,
>>>but the earliest Sumerian *anything* is only
>>>about 5,000 years old.

But, these cylinder seals tell stories (albeit a game of telephone) of
stories estimated to be 45k based on astronomical observations of
constellation alignment. Virgo (virgin), Jesus (Pisces the Fish), Taurus
(the golden bulls), etc etc

>
> Stories are one thing. But the earliest written
> language dates from about 3000 BCE. So while there
> are pictures that pre-date 3000 BCE, they have no
> substantial equivalent in language.
Sure they do, if I drew a stick figure that was humping another stick
figure, you'd recognize the message I was trying to convey.

Even languages
> that evolved later are so different from modern
> languages, like Hebrew, which has no vowels, that
> they are wildly misinterpreted, even though they
> are still used today.
>
> For example, the top Hebrew language expert in the
> world took 25 years to re-interpret just the first
> book of Genesis in the bible,

Actually, the Top language expert in the world is considered to be
Zecharia Sitchin.

based on incredible
> study of ancient Hebrew in the best context he could
> make. It not only sounds entirely different from
> either the modern Jewish Genesis and the King James
> Genesis and the French Duane Bible Genesis, but it
> is also a rhythmical *poem*, written in verse.

You should see it in Klingon!
>
> This is important, because pictures are far harder
> to interpret than words, from an utterly dead culture.
> It leaves up to the imagination, *out of context*,
> what those pictures mean. For example, what does the
> picture of a spiral mean?

I've read two thoughts on that... depending on context of the pictograms
surrounding it... either "Solar System" or "Life" When there was no
light pollution to obscure heavenly views, who knows what they saw. In
the military, we once surfaced smack dab in the middle of the South
Pacific, no light pollution other than our cigarettes... When you look
up, you'd swear you were on another planet. The milky way is undeniably
"in your face". It was easy to distinguish planets because they stood
out, they were noticeably closer than anything else. It was awe
inspiring. Even being way out in the middle of nowhere here in the
states, when I was in Scotland, or in Australia... Nothing compares.
>
> To an ancient person it might have been just a
> thingy he saw in nature. To assume it is a depiction
> of a spiral galaxy is a bit of a stretch. However,
> these guys make such fantastic extrapolations all of
> the time.

I agree there for sure!
>
> Even real evolution of thought escapes these guys,
> for example, Erich von Däniken pointing to the great
> pyramids as having been built by aliens because they
> *had* to have been built by aliens, being too complex
> from the ancient Egyptians to have made. While ignoring
> the fact that all over Egypt are examples of the often
> failed evolution of pyramid engineering that stretch
> well over a thousand years. Now, had they just built
> a pyramid from scratch, with no experience, that would
> have been something, but they had a thousand years
> practice. No need for aliens at all.

I never believed that one either... There are pyramids all over the
world and there usually are at least one in the group where the
construction technique has failed. Besides, I read something many years
ago... I know how the pyramids were actually built. At least what I read
sure as hell makes more sense than trying to move giant blocks. Imagine
wood frames (that wouldn't have survived the years) and pouring cement.
You build it from the top, down. Whether that's how it was done or not
who knows, but it would be a hell of a lot easier. The only labor is
carrying sand and water and the catalyst to make the stones hard. In
hieroglyphics, if they had drawn pictures of this "masonry" nobody would
have understood what they were doing. So instead they show pictures of
people moving blocks to the pyramid which conveys the absolute message
that they actually "built" them. It's not a message explaining "how"
just that they did it. Although they were not as advanced as we are
technologically, I'm sure they were just as bright.
>
>
>
> Did *you* ever play that game with someone in it who
> *intentionally* tries to distort the message? *Not*
> some accidental boo-boo, but who changes the message
> from "The baby ducks went swimming with mommy duck at
> the lake", to "Mrs Johnson just pooped in her pants!"

Of coarse, but in the college environment, we were actually trying to
get it right. The story wasn't changed that much in the circle, but
enough that if it were religious text... You'd surely end up with
fanatics trying to kill everyone.

Anyways, ZS was required reading on the path to the masters, as was von
Daniken, Ralph Ellis, Acharya S, Temple, Marrs, and oddly enough so was
the principia discordia... There was even mention of "Bob" which is how
I ended up here. LOL!
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny

"Your enemy is not surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your
country."
-George Orwell


Correspondent:: Eddie Vroom
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:51:48 GMT

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Reverend Kenny wrote:

> ago... I know how the pyramids were actually built. At least what I read
> sure as hell makes more sense than trying to move giant blocks. Imagine
> wood frames (that wouldn't have survived the years) and pouring cement.
> You build it from the top, down. Whether that's how it was done or not
> who knows, but it would be a hell of a lot easier. The only labor is
> carrying sand and water and the catalyst to make the stones hard. In
> hieroglyphics, if they had drawn pictures of this "masonry" nobody would
> have understood what they were doing. So instead they show pictures of
> people moving blocks to the pyramid which conveys the absolute message
> that they actually "built" them. It's not a message explaining "how"
> just that they did it. Although they were not as advanced as we are
> technologically, I'm sure they were just as bright.

Speculation, AFAIK. Besides, my Dobbstown University-approved remote
viewing methods (pulling it out of my ass) tells me that they did, in
fact, move large blocks of stone, but the union guys kept the method
from being recorded as it was a Trade Secret.

Here's how they did it:

They constructed reed mats with many long, stiff reeds pointing downward
and at a slight angle away from the desired direction of movement. They
dropped the stone on the mat (cut from a few feet up the quarry wall, in
such a way that it would pitch over as it fell free), then had a large
team of trumpet players blast the sand under the mat. This caused the
stone to "float" on the vibrating sand, and the vibration of the reeds
provided forward thrust. The guys on the ropes were mostly steering.

Remember those crappy 60s-vintage toy football games where the "field"
was a vibrating piece of sheet metal? It was similar to that crossed
with an Air Hockey table.

--
Art and Fashion for the New Conspiracy

http://www.cafepress.com/luciddragon

the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor Eddie Vroom
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004


Correspondent:: "Assco"
Date: 19 Jan 2005 12:39:47 -0800

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Reverend Kenny wrote:

> Actually, the Top language expert in the world is considered to be
> Zecharia Sitchin.

If it says so on his book jackets someone will believe it.

> Anyways, ZS was required reading on the path to the masters, as was
von
> Daniken, Ralph Ellis, Acharya S, Temple, Marrs, and oddly enough so
was
> the principia discordia... There was even mention of "Bob" which is
how
> I ended up here. LOL!
"The path to the masters" needs sweeping.



Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:15:44 -0800

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In article , Reverend Kenny
<5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote:

> This isn't an argument... It's nothing I personally believe. I'm just
> quoting sources I've read over 20 years of education.

So, did you finally get your grade 10?

pb


Correspondent:: "Ad Absurdum"
Date: 23 Jan 2005 17:48:20 -0800

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To start with,
> from the Earth, you can only see a maximum of
> five planets. The ancients never considered
> the possibility that Earth was a sixth planet,
> but just for the sake of argument, let's say
> they did.
>
> Even with modern telescopes, there are only 3
> more planets in our solar system. For a grand
> sum total of 9.

Very true, and important, but equally important is that the Dogon knew
about Sirius' twin without ever considering 'visual confirmation'.



Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:08:49 -0500

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Ad Absurdum wrote:
> To start with,
>
>>from the Earth, you can only see a maximum of
>>five planets.
Uranus and Neptune can be seen too if it's really dark and you know
where to look.
The ancients never considered
>>the possibility that Earth was a sixth planet,
>>but just for the sake of argument, let's say
>>they did.

They counted from the outside IN within this solar system. Which makes
us the 8th planet... If you count the so-called planet X. Maybe it was
Sedna? My daughters science text book from school counts Sedna (Although
it doesn't actually use the word planet). I think it wont be long before
the standard 9 planets we were taught about in school becomes 10 officially.
>>
>>Even with modern telescopes, there are only 3
>>more planets in our solar system. For a grand
>>sum total of 9.
They counted the moon 10
The sun 11
And their beloved Nibiru or planet X as 12.
Of course that may have actually been Sedna. However our telescopes have
trouble seeing "close up" I think the only reason they found Sedna was
because it eclipsed something they were looking at farther away.
>
>
> Very true, and important, but equally important is that the Dogon knew
> about Sirius' twin without ever considering 'visual confirmation'.
No doubt! I can't believe someone would just look at some star at random
and go... "I bet you that there are two of them!" :-)
>

If one is ever lucky enough to see the night sky without any light
pollution at all... you can actually make out a couple spiral type
galaxies. Seeing the milky way in its grand glory for the first time
will actually make you think you have cataracts! Maybe they could see
all of the planets in this system? I wouldn't be surprised if you could
see at least one more planet with the naked eye... Especially long ago
when there was no real light pollution at all.
--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny

"A computer without Microsoft is like chocolate cake without mustard"
-Anothermouse


Correspondent:: "«BONEHEAD>>"
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:28:32 GMT

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"Reverend Kenny" <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote in message
news:GLqdncvCH-TlRXDcRVn-3A@comcast.com...
> Don't know if any of you assorted people are into this kind of thing but
> just in case... The author Zecharia Sitchin speaks of early religious
> history being based on a 12th planet full of aliens that are partially
> responsible for mankind. It happened many thousands of years ago in
> ancient Sumeria. Anyway, he uses information found from these "cylinder
> seals" that were found in various archaeological digs throughout the
> middle east.
>
> Apparently, at the beginning of the Iraqi War, supposed looters broke
> into holy places and stole the seals... Effectively "erasing" the proof
> of ancient astronauts. The US is (again) supposedly trying to help
> recover these seals for the Iraqis.
>
> Methinks something strange is afoot. I wonder who the looters were and
> of all the seals missing... how many have we "found"? Seams like someone
> doesn't want the worlds myriad of religions to know something. I looked
> through some of these seals in college but I don't remember seeing a
> likeness of our beloved "Bob"

Your just not looking in the right places, look at this oyster shell I
found...

http://www.boneheadgrafix.net/oyster

not to be confused by this one....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4172689.stm


--

"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." Albert Einstein




Correspondent:: Reverend Kenny <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:42:11 -0500

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«BONEHEAD>> wrote:
> "Reverend Kenny" <5ubg3n1u5@comcast.no.spam> wrote in message
I don't remember seeing a
>>likeness of our beloved "Bob"
>
>
> Your just not looking in the right places, look at this oyster shell I
> found...
>
> http://www.boneheadgrafix.net/oyster
>
> not to be confused by this one....
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4172689.stm

Funny that the xtians call him Jesus! LOL! Looks like "Bob" to me! :-)
>
>

--
Illuminations,
Reverend Kenny

"Your enemy is not surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your
country."
-George Orwell