Carnivore Obit

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:40:06 -0700

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The FBI discovers it's cheaper to subcontract.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050119/D87MQNBG0.html

The FBI has effectively abandoned its custom-built
Internet surveillance technology, once known as
Carnivore, designed to read e-mails and other online
communications among suspected criminals, terrorists
and spies, according to bureau oversight reports
submitted to Congress.

Instead, the FBI said it has switched to unspecified
commercial software to eavesdrop on computer traffic
during such investigations and has increasingly asked
Internet providers to conduct wiretaps on targeted
customers on the government's behalf, reimbursing
companies for their costs...

--
"Military intelligence is sifting
through the destruction..."
-- catchy quote from
The Washington Times

Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:50:15 GMT

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In article <41EE7146.62DF@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:

> The FBI discovers it's cheaper to subcontract.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050119/D87MQNBG0.html
>
> The FBI has effectively abandoned its custom-built
> Internet surveillance technology, once known as
> Carnivore, designed to read e-mails and other online
> communications among suspected criminals, terrorists
> and spies, according to bureau oversight reports
> submitted to Congress.
> > Instead, the FBI said it has switched to unspecified
> commercial software to eavesdrop on computer traffic
> during such investigations and has increasingly asked
> Internet providers to conduct wiretaps on targeted
> customers on the government's behalf, reimbursing
> companies for their costs...

So THAT'S why payroll taxes went up 1.8% in November.

--

HellPope Huey
On Star Trek, you can get lost,
but someone always comes to GET you.

"If we can stand up
while all else falls down
we'll last through the winter
we'll last through the storms"
- Peter Gabriel, "Ovo"

"There's a lot of kids and a lot of junkies
out there right now who are countin' on me."
- "Death To Smoochy"

Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:03:06 -0500

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> Instead, the FBI said it has switched to unspecified
> commercial software to eavesdrop on computer traffic

read "WINDOWS XP"

> during such investigations and has increasingly asked
> Internet providers to conduct wiretaps on targeted
> customers on the government's behalf, reimbursing
> companies for their costs...
>
>
> --
> "Military intelligence is sifting
> through the destruction..."
> -- catchy quote from
> The Washington Times

Correspondent:: Ued
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:26:55 -0500

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In article , me3@privacy.net
says...
>
> > Instead, the FBI said it has switched to unspecified
> > commercial software to eavesdrop on computer traffic
>
> read "WINDOWS XP"

LOL. The digital equivalent of eavesdropping on a conversation by
holding an empty water glass up to the door.

Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 20 Jan 2005 19:46:37 GMT

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>In article , me3@privacy.net
>says...
>>
>> > Instead, the FBI said it has switched to unspecified
>> > commercial software to eavesdrop on computer traffic
>>
>> read "WINDOWS XP"
>
>LOL. The digital equivalent of eavesdropping on a conversation by
>holding an empty water glass up to the door.
>

Yopu have to remeber. This IS the FBI where ablility and knowlege can lead to a
short career.

Part of the ghost of J. Edger Hoover I guess.

I read a book about the people who were targeted in the "Red Scare" of the
1950's.

The FBI agents who were assigned to them fell into two catagories.

1) the Agents who knew it was all Bullshit and would just meet them in the
morning and ask them what they had planned for that day.

2) The "dedicated" agents who tried to tail the "commies" everywheres they
went. These were said to be real easy to lose as they were kind of dense.

The FBI is must be like every other Conspiracy operation. The dupes to all the
work and get nothing, the high lever CON operatives use their connections and
"old boy" links to get ahead.

MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man

And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one kneeeeeeew
He was a mongoloid!

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:14:04 -0700

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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>
> I read a book about the people who were
> targeted in the "Red Scare" of the 1950's.
>
> The FBI agents who were assigned to them
> fell into two catagories.
>
> 1) the Agents who knew it was all Bullshit...

First of all, there were two separate investigations of
Soviet-directed infiltration and subversion in the US.
The "serious" investigation was by the House Un-American
Affairs Committee, which discovered large scale efforts
by the Soviet Union to both steal classified information
and to interfere with US foreign policy.

Communist infiltration of the State Department began in
the 1930s. On September 2, 1939, former communist Whittaker
Chambers provided Assistant Secretary of State Adolph Berle
with the names and communist connections of two dozen spies
in the government, including Alger Hiss. Berle took the
information to President Roosevelt, but FDR laughed it off.
Hiss moved rapidly up the State Department ladder and served
as an adviser to Roosevelt at the disastrous 1945 Yalta
Conference that paved the way for the Soviet conquest of
Central and Eastern Europe. Hiss also functioned as secretary-
general of the founding meeting of the United Nations in San
Francisco, helped to draft the UN Charter, and later filled
dozens of positions at the UN with American communists before
he was publicly exposed as a Soviet spy by Whittaker Chambers
in 1948.

The security problem at the State Department had worsened
considerably in 1945 when a merger brought into State thousands
of employees from such war agencies as the Office of Strategic
Services, the Office of War Information, and the Foreign Economic
Administration - all of which were riddled with members of the
communist underground. J. Anthony Panuch, the State Department
official charged with supervising the 1945 merger, told a Senate
committee in 1953 that "the biggest single thing that contributed
to the infiltration of the State Department was the merger of 1945.
The effects of that are still being felt." In 1947, Secretary of
State George Marshall and Under Secretary of State Dean Acheson
engineered the firing of Panuch and the removal of every key
member of his security staff.

In June 1947, a Senate Appropriations subcommittee addressed a
secret memorandum to Marshall, calling to his attention a condition
that developed and still flourishes in the State Department under
the administration of Dean Acheson. "It is evident that there is a
deliberate, calculated program being carried out not only to
protect communist personnel in high places but to reduce security
and intelligence protection to a nullity. On file in the department
is a copy of a preliminary report of the FBI on Soviet espionage
activities in the United States which involves a large number of
State Department employees, some in high official positions."

The memorandum listed the names of nine of these State Department
officials and said that they were "only a few of the hundreds now
employed in varying capacities who are protected and allowed to
remain despite the fact that their presence is an obvious hazard
to national security." On June 24, 1947, Assistant Secretary of
State John Peurifoy notified the chairman of the Senate
subcommittee that ten persons had been dismissed from the
department, five of whom had been listed in the memorandum. But
from June 1947 until McCarthy's Wheeling speech in February 1950,
the State Department did not fire one person as a loyalty or
security risk. In other branches of the government, however,
more than 300 persons were discharged for loyalty reasons alone
during the period from 1947 to 1951.

It was also during the mid-to-late 1940s that communist
sympathizers in the State Department played a key role in the
subjugation of mainland China by the Reds. "It is my judgment,
and I was in the State Department at the time," said former
Ambassador William D. Pawley, "that this whole fiasco, the
loss of China and the subsequent difficulties with which the
United States has been faced, was the result of mistaken
policy of Dean Acheson, Phil Jessup, [Owen] Lattimore, John
Carter Vincent, John Service, John Davies, [O.E.] Clubb, and
others." Asked if he thought the mistaken policy was the result
of "sincere mistakes of judgment," Pawley replied: "No, I don't."

--
Unless there is some reason for investigation,
the federal law and the Constitution still
protect the rights of citizens.
--FBI agent Greg Stejskal

Correspondent:: vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com
Date: 20 Jan 2005 18:42:27 -0800

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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:

[snip]

> Unless there is some reason for investigation,
> the federal law and the Constitution still
> protect the rights of citizens.
> --FBI agent Greg Stejskal

Tell that to Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, who
were assassinated in Chicago with the help of
the FBI as part of the COINTELPRO program.

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:09:12 -0700

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vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
>
> nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Unless there is some reason for investigation,
> > the federal law and the Constitution still
> > protect the rights of citizens.
> > --FBI agent Greg Stejskal
>
> Tell that to Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, who
> were assassinated in Chicago with the help of
> the FBI as part of the COINTELPRO program.

Well, *obviously*, "there was some reason for
investigation". And once there is "some reason
for investigation", then you can do what you
want to them, and federal law and the Constitution
*just* *don't* *apply*.

--
"If you can't be the head, don't be
the backside because there is nothing
there but a tail."
-- Saddam Hussein

Correspondent:: vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com
Date: 22 Jan 2005 00:01:50 -0800

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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
> > nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Unless there is some reason for investigation,
> > > the federal law and the Constitution still
> > > protect the rights of citizens.
> > > --FBI agent Greg Stejskal
> >
> > Tell that to Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, who
> > were assassinated in Chicago with the help of
> > the FBI as part of the COINTELPRO program.
>
> Well, *obviously*, "there was some reason for
> investigation". And once there is "some reason
> for investigation", then you can do what you
> want to them, and federal law and the Constitution
> *just* *don't* *apply*.

So, if a racist FBI director decides that
uppity blacks have to be put in their place
and investigated, then it is permitted to
assassinate those uppity blacks? If so, then
there is little difference between the FBI
and the Gestapo.

Either everbody has rights, or nobody has them.

------------------------------------------------
"Don't look at the man behind the curtain."
-the Wizard of Oz

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:16:56 -0700

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vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
>
> nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> > vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
> > > nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > Unless there is some reason for investigation,
> > > > the federal law and the Constitution still
> > > > protect the rights of citizens.
> > > > --FBI agent Greg Stejskal
> > >
> > > Tell that to Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, who
> > > were assassinated in Chicago with the help of
> > > the FBI as part of the COINTELPRO program.
> >
> > Well, *obviously*, "there was some reason for
> > investigation". And once there is "some reason
> > for investigation", then you can do what you
> > want to them, and federal law and the Constitution
> > *just* *don't* *apply*.
>
> So, if a racist FBI director decides that
> uppity blacks have to be put in their place
> and investigated, then it is permitted to
> assassinate those uppity blacks? If so, then
> there is little difference between the FBI
> and the Gestapo.
>
> Either everbody has rights, or nobody has them.

Which means you must be Bingo the Clown-o.

--
"It is already like a government job,"
he said, "but with goats."
-- Iranian goat smuggler

Correspondent:: vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com
Date: 23 Jan 2005 01:48:15 -0800

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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Unless there is some reason for investigation,
> > > > > the federal law and the Constitution still
> > > > > protect the rights of citizens.
> > > > > --FBI agent Greg Stejskal
> > > >
> > > > Tell that to Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, who
> > > > were assassinated in Chicago with the help of
> > > > the FBI as part of the COINTELPRO program.
> > >
> > > Well, *obviously*, "there was some reason for
> > > investigation". And once there is "some reason
> > > for investigation", then you can do what you
> > > want to them, and federal law and the Constitution
> > > *just* *don't* *apply*.
> >
> > So, if a racist FBI director decides that
> > uppity blacks have to be put in their place
> > and investigated, then it is permitted to
> > assassinate those uppity blacks? If so, then
> > there is little difference between the FBI
> > and the Gestapo.
> >
> > Either everybody has rights, or nobody has them.
>
> Which means you must be Bingo the Clown-o.

You are *obviously* referring to *yourself*.

You fail to refute that there is little difference
between the *FBI* and the *Gestapo*. You did not
even try!

In your police state fantasy, once an investigation
has begun, the victim is already guilty. And if
the victim is already guilty, why not give him
the death penalty? That way, those uppity blacks
will think twice before trying to assert any
rights allegedly guaranteed in federal law or
the U.S. Constitution.

Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:52:12 -0800

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On 23 Jan 2005 01:48:15 -0800, vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:

>In your police state fantasy, once an investigation
>has begun, the victim is already guilty. And if
>the victim is already guilty, why not give him
>the death penalty? That way, those uppity blacks
>will think twice before trying to assert any
>rights allegedly guaranteed in federal law or
>the U.S. Constitution.

oooh!

whip me, baby.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
...As long as they're clean they don't have to be perfectly straight.

-- Rev. Magdalen,

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:32:24 -0700

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vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
>
> > Which means you must be Bingo the Clown-o.
>
> You are *obviously* referring to *yourself*.
>
> You fail to refute that there is little difference
> between the *FBI* and the *Gestapo*. You did not
> even try!
>
> In your police state fantasy...

a) Obviously you do NOT get it.
b) Therefore, I would be wasting my time to
try other ways to help you get it.
c) You don't even know what "Bingo the Clown-o" is.

--
"We've pretty much just been patrolling
and flying helicopters all over the place,
and when we see something bad, we blow it up."
-- Maj. David Holahan, US Marines

Correspondent:: vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com
Date: 23 Jan 2005 02:10:34 -0800

Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:17:15 -0800

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On 23 Jan 2005 02:10:34 -0800, vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:

>That way, those uppity blacks

you kind of have a thing for those uppity blacks, don't you?

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
A kangaroo walks into a bar. The bartender says "Hey. Why don't you do
something nobody in this bar has ever seen before?" The kangaroo says
"I'm waiting for a genie." A monkey gets close to the kangaroo and says
"Give me a hundred bucks and I'll pull down your pants."

So the kangaroo says "Paint my house."

Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 22 Jan 2005 14:36:56 GMT

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>> Well, *obviously*, "there was some reason for
>> investigation". And once there is "some reason
>> for investigation", then you can do what you
>> want to them, and federal law and the Constitution
>> *just* *don't* *apply*.
>
>So, if a racist FBI director decides that
>uppity blacks have to be put in their place
>and investigated, then it is permitted to
>assassinate those uppity blacks? If so, then
>there is little difference between the FBI
>and the Gestapo.
>
>Either everbody has rights, or nobody has them.

Hoover was out to get all the Civil Rights actavists in the 1950's and 1960's.
convinced that Individual Rights and Equal Justice were some Commie Plot.

MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man

And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one kneeeeeeew
He was a mongoloid!