Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:14 -0800
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People hate to talk politics with me. It really frustrates them because
I don't take sides and try only to state facts and not vent my emotions,
which I believe is what talking politics really is for most people.
Complaining about whatever is happening that they don't like, saying
that the millions of people who disagree with them are brainwashed or
stupid, acting like things used to be somehow different or better and
now it's all wrong and only getting worse and we are all screwed because
the person they voted against got elected.
I believe that a person may have a soundly reasoned, fact based
viewpoint and still disagree with you. I believe that a person may have
an opinion based solely on ignorance and emotional reaction, and still
agree with you on every point. Other people seem to believe that if a
person has an opinion that differs from theirs it is solely the result
of ignorance or stupidity.
I believe that if millions and millions of people have opinions which
are completely different from yours, you must consider the possibility
that you may be mistaken. Other people seem to think that their
emotional reactions are facts and everyone else is a brainwashed moron.
The kind of political and social opinions most people I know seem to
have may be likened to the belief that a yardstick should only have one
end, bearing the numbers one through six on it, and the very existence
of a two ended yardstick with a full range of numbers from one to
thirty-six is a DISASTER and a threat to civilization and humanity. The
strangest thing is that most people I know are intellectuals, and
genuinely intelligent people. They find themselves dumfounded by the
idea that appealing to the emotional nature of the vast majority of
humanity who are not part of the upper 20 percent of intelligence, is
what gets people elected to high office, and find themselves sputtering
in frustration when I point out to them that the politician who spends
the most money on the campaign is the one who gets elected. They seem
to believe that this is a brand new thing that just started happening
just now. They act as if all actions the current temporary regime takes
will be the extreme opposite of their wishes, and permanent. They
forget all about the historically demonstrable fact that a government,
or anything else, which goes far enough in one direction will create
forces of reaction which will bring it back in the other direction. I
like to point out that the regime currently in power, came to power as a
result of reaction against the previous regime, which came to power as a
result of reaction against the regime which preceded it, and it will not
be long before another regime comes to power as a result of reaction to
the current regime, and they reply, "Yebbit the things they are doing
are REALLY BAD!!!" And these are the smart people.
These extremely intelligent acquaintances of mine, when they start
talking politics, really only want to go "Oh my god I can't believe it!"
and they just want someone to say "Oh I KNOOW, ain't it awful." Because
I am so damn mean, what I say instead is, "That's how the system works.
Democracy is a fraud. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress dissent
among the rest." They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:16:35 +1100
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> I believe that if millions and millions of people have opinions which
> are completely different from yours, you must consider the possibility
> that you may be mistaken. Other people seem to think that their
> emotional reactions are facts and everyone else is a brainwashed moron.
primates seem to have this desperate attachment to whatever illusions
help them through the day.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:19:50 -0500
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In article <35rf5rF4pgkcjU1@individual.net>, nikolai kingsley
wrote:
> > I believe that if millions and millions of people have opinions which
> > are completely different from yours, you must consider the possibility
> > that you may be mistaken. Other people seem to think that their
> > emotional reactions are facts and everyone else is a brainwashed moron.
>
>
> primates seem to have this desperate attachment to whatever illusions
> help them through the day.
"Fuck with my illusions and I'll kick ALL your fucking asses, every
single one." -- The Lonesome Primate
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Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:16:17 -0800
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:14 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>People hate to talk politics with me. It really frustrates them because
>I don't take sides and try only to state facts and not vent my emotions,
>which I believe is what talking politics really is for most people.
>Complaining about whatever is happening that they don't like, saying
>that the millions of people who disagree with them are brainwashed or
>stupid, acting like things used to be somehow different or better and
>now it's all wrong and only getting worse and we are all screwed because
>the person they voted against got elected.
>
>I believe that a person may have a soundly reasoned, fact based
>viewpoint and still disagree with you. I believe that a person may have
>an opinion based solely on ignorance and emotional reaction, and still
>agree with you on every point. Other people seem to believe that if a
>person has an opinion that differs from theirs it is solely the result
>of ignorance or stupidity.
>
>I believe that if millions and millions of people have opinions which
>are completely different from yours, you must consider the possibility
>that you may be mistaken. Other people seem to think that their
>emotional reactions are facts and everyone else is a brainwashed moron.
>
>The kind of political and social opinions most people I know seem to
>have may be likened to the belief that a yardstick should only have one
>end, bearing the numbers one through six on it, and the very existence
>of a two ended yardstick with a full range of numbers from one to
>thirty-six is a DISASTER and a threat to civilization and humanity. The
>strangest thing is that most people I know are intellectuals, and
>genuinely intelligent people. They find themselves dumfounded by the
>idea that appealing to the emotional nature of the vast majority of
>humanity who are not part of the upper 20 percent of intelligence, is
>what gets people elected to high office, and find themselves sputtering
>in frustration when I point out to them that the politician who spends
>the most money on the campaign is the one who gets elected. They seem
>to believe that this is a brand new thing that just started happening
>just now. They act as if all actions the current temporary regime takes
>will be the extreme opposite of their wishes, and permanent. They
>forget all about the historically demonstrable fact that a government,
>or anything else, which goes far enough in one direction will create
>forces of reaction which will bring it back in the other direction. I
>like to point out that the regime currently in power, came to power as a
>result of reaction against the previous regime, which came to power as a
>result of reaction against the regime which preceded it, and it will not
>be long before another regime comes to power as a result of reaction to
>the current regime, and they reply, "Yebbit the things they are doing
>are REALLY BAD!!!" And these are the smart people.
>
>These extremely intelligent acquaintances of mine, when they start
>talking politics, really only want to go "Oh my god I can't believe it!"
>and they just want someone to say "Oh I KNOOW, ain't it awful." Because
>I am so damn mean, what I say instead is, "That's how the system works.
>Democracy is a fraud. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
>concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress dissent
>among the rest." They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
The "everything is relative" viewpoint is one that has some merit
philosophically and certainly holds up well in a debate, especially
when you are trying to needle people.
But we live in a world, today, which is split into two distinct
political factions. One of those factions was willing to spend years
and millions of dollars chasing after a president elected by the other
faction because they KNEW .... and knew, by INSTINCT ... that
president was guilty of some great and terrible act of evil.
The same faction that did the chasing was able to start a war on
trumped-up excuses which turned out to be bald-faced lies, a war which
was massively profitable to personal friends of those who started it,
and didn't have to worry about anybody spending years chasing after
them.
Although politics is certainly highly dominated by a swinging pendulum
of reaction and counter-reaction, there is also a right and wrong to
most things. Not right and wrong in a moral sense, but right and
wrong in the sense of correct and incorrect. In the sense that two
plus two equals four, and not five.
A lie told willingly is a lie. Regardless of if the people who told
it felt like "it's our turn, we've been putting up with these liberal
pansies too long, it's OUR turn!" Regardless of if the voters felt
like "it's THEIR turn".
Overall the human race has been able to very slowly, very painfully,
with many great leaps forward and often many equally great collapses
back, to get closer to two plus two equals four and further from two
plus two equals five.
This has happened exactly because of the indignation of those who were
bright enough to do simple addition at those who weren't, but still
felt their opinion on the matter was of equal value.
Sitting back and saying "bah! same old shit! just more politics!" is
the complacency the forces of Fucking Stupid depend on to advance
their cause of Fucking Stupidity in the world.
A thousand years of advance were lost in the aptly-named dark ages
because the forces of Fucking Stupid won. A psychotic took over
Germany and led directly to the deaths of millions because the forces
of Fucking Stupid won.
Fuck you if it sounds pretentious.
When I hear people bright enough to know better looking at the last
and the next four years and saying "bah! politics as usual!", I know
somewhere deep down inside they are considering how far things -could-
go, conceivably, and thinking "things would never go THAT far!"
"Would they?"
The stupider things get, the more it's necessary to make some FUCKING
NOISE about it, SO THEY DON'T GET STUPIDER.
And things can ALWAYS get stupider.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
pablo picasso well, some people try to pick up girls and they get called an asshole.
this never happened to pablo picasso. he could walk down your street and girls
could not resist his stare and pablo picasso never got called an asshole. the girls
would turn the colour of an avocado when he drove down their street in his eldorado.
he could drive down your street and girls could not resist his stare. pablo picasso
never got called the asshole. oh well be not schmuck, be not obnoxious, be not
bell-bottom bummer or asshole. this is the story of pablo picasso. he could walk
down your street and girls could not resist his stare, so pablo picasso never got
called an asshole. not like you. (j.richman)
Correspondent:: endus Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:36:47 -0500
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:16:17 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:14 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>
>>People hate to talk politics with me. It really frustrates them because
>>I don't take sides and try only to state facts and not vent my emotions,
>>which I believe is what talking politics really is for most people.
>>Complaining about whatever is happening that they don't like, saying
>>that the millions of people who disagree with them are brainwashed or
>>stupid, acting like things used to be somehow different or better and
>>now it's all wrong and only getting worse and we are all screwed because
>>the person they voted against got elected.
>>
>>I believe that a person may have a soundly reasoned, fact based
>>viewpoint and still disagree with you. I believe that a person may have
>>an opinion based solely on ignorance and emotional reaction, and still
>>agree with you on every point. Other people seem to believe that if a
>>person has an opinion that differs from theirs it is solely the result
>>of ignorance or stupidity.
>>
>>I believe that if millions and millions of people have opinions which
>>are completely different from yours, you must consider the possibility
>>that you may be mistaken. Other people seem to think that their
>>emotional reactions are facts and everyone else is a brainwashed moron.
>>
>>The kind of political and social opinions most people I know seem to
>>have may be likened to the belief that a yardstick should only have one
>>end, bearing the numbers one through six on it, and the very existence
>>of a two ended yardstick with a full range of numbers from one to
>>thirty-six is a DISASTER and a threat to civilization and humanity. The
>>strangest thing is that most people I know are intellectuals, and
>>genuinely intelligent people. They find themselves dumfounded by the
>>idea that appealing to the emotional nature of the vast majority of
>>humanity who are not part of the upper 20 percent of intelligence, is
>>what gets people elected to high office, and find themselves sputtering
>>in frustration when I point out to them that the politician who spends
>>the most money on the campaign is the one who gets elected. They seem
>>to believe that this is a brand new thing that just started happening
>>just now. They act as if all actions the current temporary regime takes
>>will be the extreme opposite of their wishes, and permanent. They
>>forget all about the historically demonstrable fact that a government,
>>or anything else, which goes far enough in one direction will create
>>forces of reaction which will bring it back in the other direction. I
>>like to point out that the regime currently in power, came to power as a
>>result of reaction against the previous regime, which came to power as a
>>result of reaction against the regime which preceded it, and it will not
>>be long before another regime comes to power as a result of reaction to
>>the current regime, and they reply, "Yebbit the things they are doing
>>are REALLY BAD!!!" And these are the smart people.
>>
>>These extremely intelligent acquaintances of mine, when they start
>>talking politics, really only want to go "Oh my god I can't believe it!"
>>and they just want someone to say "Oh I KNOOW, ain't it awful." Because
>>I am so damn mean, what I say instead is, "That's how the system works.
>>Democracy is a fraud. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
>>concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress dissent
>>among the rest." They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
>
>The "everything is relative" viewpoint is one that has some merit
>philosophically and certainly holds up well in a debate, especially
>when you are trying to needle people.
>
>But we live in a world, today, which is split into two distinct
>political factions. One of those factions was willing to spend years
>and millions of dollars chasing after a president elected by the other
>faction because they KNEW .... and knew, by INSTINCT ... that
>president was guilty of some great and terrible act of evil.
>
>The same faction that did the chasing was able to start a war on
>trumped-up excuses which turned out to be bald-faced lies, a war which
>was massively profitable to personal friends of those who started it,
>and didn't have to worry about anybody spending years chasing after
>them.
>
>Although politics is certainly highly dominated by a swinging pendulum
>of reaction and counter-reaction, there is also a right and wrong to
>most things. Not right and wrong in a moral sense, but right and
>wrong in the sense of correct and incorrect. In the sense that two
>plus two equals four, and not five.
>
>A lie told willingly is a lie. Regardless of if the people who told
>it felt like "it's our turn, we've been putting up with these liberal
>pansies too long, it's OUR turn!" Regardless of if the voters felt
>like "it's THEIR turn".
>
>Overall the human race has been able to very slowly, very painfully,
>with many great leaps forward and often many equally great collapses
>back, to get closer to two plus two equals four and further from two
>plus two equals five.
>
>This has happened exactly because of the indignation of those who were
>bright enough to do simple addition at those who weren't, but still
>felt their opinion on the matter was of equal value.
>
>
>
>Sitting back and saying "bah! same old shit! just more politics!" is
>the complacency the forces of Fucking Stupid depend on to advance
>their cause of Fucking Stupidity in the world.
>
>A thousand years of advance were lost in the aptly-named dark ages
>because the forces of Fucking Stupid won. A psychotic took over
>Germany and led directly to the deaths of millions because the forces
>of Fucking Stupid won.
>
>Fuck you if it sounds pretentious.
>
>
>
>When I hear people bright enough to know better looking at the last
>and the next four years and saying "bah! politics as usual!", I know
>somewhere deep down inside they are considering how far things -could-
>go, conceivably, and thinking "things would never go THAT far!"
>
>"Would they?"
>
>
>
>The stupider things get, the more it's necessary to make some FUCKING
>NOISE about it, SO THEY DON'T GET STUPIDER.
>
>And things can ALWAYS get stupider.
Oh man...great post. Well put.
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:32:55 -0800
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:36:47 -0500, endus wrote:
>Well put
thanks
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bow! Trade to beady-eyed hunter types! Chase wives while hunter-types
gone! Make pictures on cave wall, say magic words while wearing scary
bear skull, keep whole tribe guessing!
Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:34:57 -0600
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:14 -0800, nenslo wrote:
They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
You are an imp with a pitchfork.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:59:54 GMT
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HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:14 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>
> They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
>
>You are an imp with a pitchfork.
Naw, just a bitch with a lobster fork.
Correspondent:: "just john" Date: 27 Jan 2005 05:43:35 -0800
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nenslo gloated:
> These extremely intelligent acquaintances of mine, when they start
> talking politics, really only want to go "Oh my god I can't believe
it!"
> and they just want someone to say "Oh I KNOOW, ain't it awful."
Because
> I am so damn mean, what I say instead is, "That's how the system
works.
> Democracy is a fraud. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
> concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress
dissent
> among the rest." They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
It took me decades to realize that there are differing motivations for
people to say things that, on the surface, sound the same. Sometimes
people are looking for solutions, and other times, they're just looking
for sympathy and the feeling of communal support that comes with it.
Don't pat yourself on the back for being so smart if you can't tell the
difference.
(That said, yes, there is sometimes good political reason to respond at
cross-purposes, especially if you can show that they might not be
feeling this pain if they hadn't been part of the mass movement to
support the situation in the first place. But expect hostility in
response.)
--
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Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:53:07 -0700
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nenslo wrote:
>
> People hate to talk politics with me. It really
> frustrates them because I don't take sides and try
> only to state facts and not vent my emotions, which
> I believe is what talking politics really is for
> most people.
Bill O'Reilly has *exactly* that same problem, and for
*exactly* that same reason. Or at least that's what
he says, over and over again.
Ann Coulter, too.
You must be a radical right-winger.
--
"He's just screaming out
'Neuter Me!'"
-- some guy about his dog
Correspondent:: Baldin Pramer Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:57:56 -0700
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nenslo wrote:
> These extremely intelligent acquaintances of mine, when they start
> talking politics, really only want to go "Oh my god I can't believe it!"
> and they just want someone to say "Oh I KNOOW, ain't it awful." Because
> I am so damn mean, what I say instead is, "That's how the system works.
> Democracy is a fraud. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
> concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress dissent
> among the rest." They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
You are not very nice.
--
Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.
Correspondent:: endus Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:33:25 -0500
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:14 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>People hate to talk politics with me. It really frustrates them because
>I don't take sides and try only to state facts and not vent my emotions,
>which I believe is what talking politics really is for most people.
>Complaining about whatever is happening that they don't like, saying
>that the millions of people who disagree with them are brainwashed or
>stupid, acting like things used to be somehow different or better and
>now it's all wrong and only getting worse and we are all screwed because
>the person they voted against got elected.
If you're not emotional over the crazy ass shit that's been happening
in this country lately, then you ain't paying enough attention.
>I believe that a person may have a soundly reasoned, fact based
>viewpoint and still disagree with you. I believe that a person may have
>an opinion based solely on ignorance and emotional reaction, and still
>agree with you on every point. Other people seem to believe that if a
>person has an opinion that differs from theirs it is solely the result
>of ignorance or stupidity.
This is all true, but it's also possible to be so infuriated by the
facts that you are unable to comprehend how anyone could accept the
way things are and the bullshit that goes down every day.
>I believe that if millions and millions of people have opinions which
>are completely different from yours, you must consider the possibility
>that you may be mistaken. Other people seem to think that their
>emotional reactions are facts and everyone else is a brainwashed moron.
Of course. But if, when you start discussing things with people and
they are obviously ignorant to all (provable) facts except the ones
that make it appear that their position is correct when inf act it is
not, and this happens in every single political discussion for 4 years
or more, I don't think getting a little frustrated is out of line.
>They find themselves dumfounded by the
>idea that appealing to the emotional nature of the vast majority of
>humanity who are not part of the upper 20 percent of intelligence, is
>what gets people elected to high office, and find themselves sputtering
>in frustration when I point out to them that the politician who spends
>the most money on the campaign is the one who gets elected. They seem
>to believe that this is a brand new thing that just started happening
>just now. They act as if all actions the current temporary regime takes
Yes, well, that point I agree on. People underestimate the horrors of
politics and politicians pretty much constantly.
>will be the extreme opposite of their wishes, and permanent. They
>forget all about the historically demonstrable fact that a government,
>or anything else, which goes far enough in one direction will create
>forces of reaction which will bring it back in the other direction. I
>like to point out that the regime currently in power, came to power as a
>result of reaction against the previous regime, which came to power as a
>result of reaction against the regime which preceded it, and it will not
>be long before another regime comes to power as a result of reaction to
>the current regime, and they reply, "Yebbit the things they are doing
>are REALLY BAD!!!" And these are the smart people.
Yes but when the media has been corrupted to the point that they can
admit to lying and misleading people with no reprocussions, and when
administrations can pretty much do whatever they want including
trashnig the fundamental values upon which the country was founded and
corrupting the electoral process which is literally the life blood of
our democracy, things start to look bleak.
I think you are vastly underestimating the times in which we live. We
are, whether we like it or not (I don't) on the verge of becoming a
global socioety. The US has chosen to react to this by becoming a
Xenophobic fear-state which works to foist our corrupt, ignorant
values upon the rest of the world. We are also in possession of, or
on the verge of possesion of, technologies which present an
unprecidented risk to the population of the world. I don't mean this
is anything even APPROACHING a disrespectful manner, but the
proliferation of nuclear weapons and the development of genetic
engineering has the potential to make Nazi Germany look like a fucking
tea party. The stakes have never been higher and "mistakes" and
missteps and outright evil have the potential to affect the world in
ways previously only envisioned in books and movies.
If we manage to survive all this then, yes, I'm sure that there will
be an anti-fasicst reaction to the direction we are heading in.
However, given that "both" of our political parties are pushing us
towards tyranny and fascism, and the American public is completely
oblivious to that fact, I am not confident that the pendulum will
swing the other way before a LOT of nasty shit goes down. People are
screaming to try to stop us from having to live the disaster...to
preempt the nightmare before it sets upon us for once. We are
failing.
>These extremely intelligent acquaintances of mine, when they start
>talking politics, really only want to go "Oh my god I can't believe it!"
>and they just want someone to say "Oh I KNOOW, ain't it awful." Because
>I am so damn mean, what I say instead is, "That's how the system works.
>Democracy is a fraud. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
>concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress dissent
>among the rest." They hate that. I enjoy needling them.
MM...some of the above may not apply in light of that. =P
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:33:05 -0800
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endus wrote:
>
> If you're not emotional over the crazy ass shit that's been happening
> in this country lately, then you ain't paying enough attention.
That's exactly what I am talking about right there. The bumper sticker
that says "If you're not outraged you aren't paying attention." That's
right, if you aren't wasting your energy in pointless displays of
emotion over the system continuing to operate as it always has, you are
ignorant. GMAFB.
> This is all true, but it's also possible to be so infuriated by the
> facts that you are unable to comprehend how anyone could accept the
> way things are and the bullshit that goes down every day.
That's exactly what I am talking about right there.
>
> Yes but when the media has been corrupted to the point that they can
> admit to lying and misleading people with no reprocussions, and when
> administrations can pretty much do whatever they want including
> trashnig the fundamental values upon which the country was founded and
> corrupting the electoral process which is literally the life blood of
> our democracy, things start to look bleak.
That's exactly what I am talking about right there. Yeah, that just
started happening just now. The fundamental values upon which the
country was founded, such as the right to vote being granted to white
male property owners ONLY. Corrupting the electoral process which is,
and always has been the process of BUYING VOTES. Just now starting to
look bleak NOW THAT YOU JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE IT.
>
> I think you are vastly underestimating the times in which we live. We
> are, whether we like it or not (I don't) on the verge of becoming a
> global socioety. The US has chosen to react to this by becoming a
> Xenophobic fear-state which works to foist our corrupt, ignorant
> values upon the rest of the world. We are also in possession of, or
> on the verge of possesion of, technologies which present an
> unprecidented risk to the population of the world. I don't mean this
> is anything even APPROACHING a disrespectful manner, but the
> proliferation of nuclear weapons and the development of genetic
> engineering has the potential to make Nazi Germany look like a fucking
> tea party. The stakes have never been higher and "mistakes" and
> missteps and outright evil have the potential to affect the world in
> ways previously only envisioned in books and movies.
>
> If we manage to survive all this then, yes, I'm sure that there will
> be an anti-fasicst reaction to the direction we are heading in.
> However, given that "both" of our political parties are pushing us
> towards tyranny and fascism, and the American public is completely
> oblivious to that fact, I am not confident that the pendulum will
> swing the other way before a LOT of nasty shit goes down. People are
> screaming to try to stop us from having to live the disaster...to
> preempt the nightmare before it sets upon us for once. We are
> failing.
>
We'll see.
Correspondent:: endus Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:07:31 -0500
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:33:05 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>That's exactly what I am talking about right there. The bumper sticker
>that says "If you're not outraged you aren't paying attention." That's
>right, if you aren't wasting your energy in pointless displays of
>emotion over the system continuing to operate as it always has, you are
>ignorant. GMAFB.
That's crap though. Just because you realize how things have been all
along, and realized it at the time, doesn't mean that now you should
be immune to it and not care anymore. I agree 100% that the bandwagon
riding motherfuckers who think everything was cool when there was a
democrat in office are full of shit, but that doesn't mean you
shouldn't be upset about it.
Some would say that the stakes have been raised to new levels now as
well.
>That's exactly what I am talking about right there. Yeah, that just
>started happening just now. The fundamental values upon which the
>country was founded, such as the right to vote being granted to white
>male property owners ONLY. Corrupting the electoral process which is,
>and always has been the process of BUYING VOTES. Just now starting to
>look bleak NOW THAT YOU JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE IT.
I agree that being ignorant of the rampant corruption and hypocrisy
which has existed all this time is ridiculous....politics is not a
fad...but is it so wrong to be upset now that they have found new ways
of corrupting it and are still talking one game while playing another?
I guess what I'm saying is that people aren't justified in being
outraged at how things are going right now if they had no idea that
things were fucked up all along, but that doesn't mean that people who
WERE aware of these things all along shouldn't be upset about it.
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:01:49 GMT
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In article ,
endus wrote:
> I agree that being ignorant of the rampant corruption and hypocrisy
> which has existed all this time is ridiculous....politics is not a
> fad...but is it so wrong to be upset now that they have found new ways
> of corrupting it and are still talking one game while playing another?
> I guess what I'm saying is that people aren't justified in being
> outraged at how things are going right now if they had no idea that
> things were fucked up all along, but that doesn't mean that people who
> WERE aware of these things all along shouldn't be upset about it.
How DARE you try make logic-talk with Nenslo. He see you in COURT and
stuff. I stamp my tiny hoof in outrage-y indignation, well I never.
--
HellPope Huey
Yar dig buggerty and then some
Not only are you anal,
but you are anal about things most people
have never even heard of.
- Nigel
"I have too many good anuses ahead of me
to spend my life in a cigar factory!"
- "King of the Hill"
Correspondent:: "just john" Date: 30 Jan 2005 09:54:25 -0800
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HellPope Huey wrote:
> How DARE you try make logic-talk with Nenslo. He see you in COURT
and
> stuff. I stamp my tiny hoof in outrage-y indignation, well I never.
>
>
Yeah, I was one of the ones to blame for that. I'd just had an
infusion of caffiene, so I didn't make the PROPER reply, which would
have been:
>>>> Are you attempting to imply there are times when people LIKE
talking with you? <<<<
There. Proper snideness has been observed.
--
* Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *
Correspondent:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 30 Jan 2005 15:28:47 -0800
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"...Too, he expected other rats to hear what was going on under the
upper East Side, and come likewise to be converted. Before long he
would be spiritual leader of the inheritors of the earth. He considered
it small enough sacrifice on their part to provide three of their own
per day for physical sustenance, in return for the spiritual
nourishment he was giving them."
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:21:46 -0800
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endus wrote:
>
> I agree 100% that the bandwagon
> riding motherfuckers who think everything was cool when there was a
> democrat in office are full of shit, but that doesn't mean you
> shouldn't be upset about it.
Yes it does. No matter how upset you get, the facts don't change. So
what does being upset about politics do?
> I agree that being ignorant of the rampant corruption and hypocrisy
> which has existed all this time is ridiculous....politics is not a
> fad...but is it so wrong to be upset now that they have found new ways
> of corrupting it and are still talking one game while playing another?
Not wrong, just pointless and irrelevant expenditure of energy.
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that people aren't justified in being
> outraged at how things are going right now if they had no idea that
> things were fucked up all along, but that doesn't mean that people who
> WERE aware of these things all along shouldn't be upset about it.
>
There are things we can control and things we can't control. We should
expect a system to operate the way it operates, not the way we wish it
operated. If people want to feel emotions about reality not matching
their fantasies (and they REALLY REALLY DO want to), they are free to do
so. Dumbasses.
Correspondent:: endus Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:39:42 -0500
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:21:46 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>Not wrong, just pointless and irrelevant expenditure of energy.
This is probably true but...
>There are things we can control and things we can't control. We should
>expect a system to operate the way it operates, not the way we wish it
>operated.
...this is utter bullshit. That attitude is why things are the way
they are.
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:31:08 -0800
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endus wrote:
>
> >There are things we can control and things we can't control. We should
> >expect a system to operate the way it operates, not the way we wish it
> >operated.
>
> ...this is utter bullshit. That attitude is why things are the way
> they are.
Things are the way they are because that's the way they ALREADY WERE.
By the time things are the way they are it is too late to do anything
about it. You can't change the present, and you can just barely change
the future for the better if you are really really lucky. Millions and
millions of people all over the world are striving mightily for the
betterment of humanity, yet faultfinders still have an unlimited ability
to gripe about how unfair everything is and how it ought to be different
and how if everybody would just start thinking the RIGHT way about
things it would all change and we'd be living in Utopia instead of the
Country of the Blind and they just keep talking about how nobody is
doing anything. Every government is a criminal conspiracy to
concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a few and suppress dissent
among the rest. You're so smart, go ahead, bring about world peace,
with liberty and justice for all.
"CHANGE HUMAN NATURE NOW!" - ME
Correspondent:: "ouroboros rex" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:01:01 -0600
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"nenslo" wrote in message
news:41F8863D.10A28D12@yahoox.com...
>
> I believe that a person may have a soundly reasoned, fact based
> viewpoint and still disagree with you. I believe that a person may have
> an opinion based solely on ignorance and emotional reaction, and still
> agree with you on every point.
I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower... er.. never mind.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:31 GMT
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In article ,
"ouroboros rex" wrote:
> I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower... er.. never mind.
For every drop of rain that falls, there is a blop of air-borne dirt
deposited on my car. Dirty damned apes.
--
HellPope Huey
Yar dig buggerty and then some
Not only are you anal,
but you are anal about things most people
have never even heard of.
- Nigel
"I have too many good anuses ahead of me
to spend my life in a cigar factory!"
- "King of the Hill"
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino" Date: 31 Jan 2005 17:25:54 -0800
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I've recently given up on arguing politics with people, myself. I
realized it was a fucking waste of time when I realized that the point
of arguing in the first place is to convince someone that you're right
and they're wrong. And you're never gonna convince a liberal that
Spongebob is a homo and you're never gonna convince a conservative that
an employee is a person and not a thing so why even bother to try?
Two people arguing about politics is just one person not listening and
just waiting to talk while the other just throwing out random facts
that they heard Bill O'Riley or Mike Malloy say. Let's talk about other
stuff, like where the hell we're gonna find some cheap thrills and easy
grins tonight!
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:43:37 -0800
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On 31 Jan 2005 17:25:54 -0800, "Paul Casino"
wrote:
>Two people arguing about politics is just one person not listening and
>just waiting to talk while the other just throwing out random facts
>that they heard Bill O'Riley or Mike Malloy say. Let's talk about other
>stuff, like where the hell we're gonna find some cheap thrills and easy
>grins tonight!
I was going to break into the "Young Republicans" shower room dressed
in a Bill Clinton mask, strip naked, rub myself, and moan.
You?
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Flogging a dead horse is one thing. Flogging a dead AND BURIED horse is
just silly."
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino" Date: 31 Jan 2005 17:54:29 -0800
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I was thinking more along the lines of "titty bar", but that works.
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:59:40 -0700
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Zapanaz wrote:
>
> I was going to break into the "Young Republicans"
> shower room dressed in a Bill Clinton mask, strip
> naked, rub myself, and moan.
1) They are Republicans. That means they have guns.
2) Ever heard of the "Log Cabin" Republicans?
--
"Pleasure me, you Bill Clinton mask wearing wench!"
--James Mason, from the movie
'Mandingo with a Blue Dress On'
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:14:41 -0800
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:59:40 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>> I was going to break into the "Young Republicans"
>> shower room dressed in a Bill Clinton mask, strip
>> naked, rub myself, and moan.
>
>
>1) They are Republicans. That means they have guns.
>2) Ever heard of the "Log Cabin" Republicans?
I was thinking more in terms of the girl's volleyball team or
something.
although I'm not sure how much that would help me on either point.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Christianity is a rebellion of everything that crawls on the ground
against that which has height: The evangel of the 'lowly' makes low."
- Nietzsche
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:18:36 GMT
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>> I was going to break into the "Young Republicans"
>> shower room dressed in a Bill Clinton mask, strip
>> naked, rub myself, and moan.
>
>
>1) They are Republicans. That means they have guns.
>2) Ever heard of the "Log Cabin" Republicans?
>
>
They got wood?
Correspondent:: "Paul Casino" Date: 1 Feb 2005 03:14:26 -0800
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Nothing I like more than watching an intellegent post decline into
bawdy jokes. Ah, alt.slack,,,I wuv you,
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:33:09 GMT
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In article <1107256466.398863.97470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul Casino" wrote:
> Nothing I like more than watching an intellegent post decline into
> bawdy jokes. Ah, alt.slack... I wuv you,
Then those that were unintelligent at the outset must simply SLAY you.
That's okay, hysteria serves a vital function in the group. The release
it provides is part of why only "Bob" has actually been shot at a
Devival, SO FAR.
On the other hand, a lot of the protective shield that hovers around
Stang at all times is bolstered by the fact that those who are that far
gone keep injuring themselves trying to cock a crossbow. You know those
guys who appear in the background of at least one picture from every
event, doubled over? They're the ones who just got whacked in the nads.
In many, many cases, your best defense is simply other peoples'
incompetence. There's one good example of Slack.
--
HellPope Huey
I tried to go back in time and kick Hitler in the ass,
but the belt has an anti-paradox governor
that only allowed me to spill hot soup on his crotch.
There is a pleasure in madness,
which none but madmen know.
~ John Dryden, 1631-1700
"Rub honey on his ass
and blow the bear whistle."
~ "Everybody Loves Raymond"
Correspondent:: "The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel" Date: 1 Feb 2005 19:31:18 -0800
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Nenslo, I'm am sorely temtped to print this rant out, and leave it
where Mr. "I will not shut up about politics" at work will find it.
Whether I do or not, thank you.
--
C.
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:54:51 -0800
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"The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel" wrote:
>
> Nenslo, I'm am sorely temtped to print this rant out, and leave it
> where Mr. "I will not shut up about politics" at work will find it.
> Whether I do or not, thank you.
>