The Grotesque Disparity Of Wealth As Seen From Penthouse Row
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:06:27 GMT
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Naw, I don't mean the soft porn mag, sorry.
Check this out:
Lindsey Lohan's watch: $60,000
Amount Jay-Z spent on Beyonce's 23rd B-day party: $500,000
Mariah Carey's Penthouse: $9 Million
What Matt LeBlanc's salary was for 1 year of Friends: $22 Million
Tom Cruise's take from the Mission: Impossible franchise: $140 Million
Amount Americans spent last year on diet books/pills/etc.: $30 BILLION
And how much money are we sending the thousands of injured and homeless
people in Sri Lanka, Thailand, Indonesia, India and everywhere else? The
earthquake and the resulting tsunamis have killed tens of thousands in
South Asia and more will die if help doesn't get there fast. Of course,
they ARE just a bunch of semi-literate wogs, so no biggie.
When I first heard the US was sending only $15 million I thought -
isn't that what they paid Julia Roberts to star in "Runaway Bride???"...
(actually she got $17 million) No wonder the world hates us.
Hell, I live here and *I* hate us, heh. It IS grotesque, ain't it, but
that's the bizarre economy of scale that comes with mass marketing,
misplaced values and a huge population to fuel it. Its also why little
guys can make a subsistence living selling oddball books or CDs online
now, because when you can go international with a $60+-per-year website,
that niche market is as big as the full monty of an old-world setup.
That's why record companies are being forced into near-obsolescence and
may the practice continue, thank ya very fuckin' much.
So, when is enough, enough? Never. We are fast-moving apes with a
built-in survival mechanism that translates into selfishness, abuse and
explosive acquisitiveness. Our rapidly increasing numbers assure us of a
nasty end as soon as we reach critical mass. MY idea of Enough would be
laughable to that goddamned woman who paid $50k for a clone of her dead
cat. I hope she grows a 3rd tit and gets cancer in all 3 of 'em.
Any real sense of "enough" would require a philosophical sea change of
which we are not capable. This is the point at which one could almost
look up and beg for a Sky Daddy to fix it all and frankly, that's what
it would TAKE. Therefore, stay tuned for Smarmageddon, comin' right up
as soon as the current infrastructure is stressed enough in the right
places and snaps like a rotted twig. Huey, you're a real bummer. Fuck
you for being a thinking person who doesn't delude himself with
platitudes, willful moral blindness or comfort-purchases of plastic
garbage. Wait, I DO buy plastic crap. Oh well, I don't practice what I
preach because I'm not etc. etc. Have a nice UNH!
--
HellPope Huey
Oh shut up, its only a chainsaw
"Straight male seeks Bush supporter
for fair, physical fight - m4m.
I would like to fight a Bush supporter to vent my anger.
If you are one & have a fiery streak, please contact me
so we can meet and physically fight.
I would like to beat the shit out of you."
- Craig's List
"I don't wanna just rain on your parade,
I wanna blow up the floats."
- "Law & Order"
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:30:10 GMT
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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> Naw, I don't mean the soft porn mag, sorry.
>
> Check this out:
>
>Lindsey Lohan's watch: $60,000
>Amount Jay-Z spent on Beyonce's 23rd B-day party: $500,000
>Mariah Carey's Penthouse: $9 Million
>What Matt LeBlanc's salary was for 1 year of Friends: $22 Million
>Tom Cruise's take from the Mission: Impossible franchise: $140 Million
>Amount Americans spent last year on diet books/pills/etc.: $30 BILLION
>
> And how much money are we sending the thousands of injured and homeless
>people in Sri Lanka, Thailand, Indonesia, India and everywhere else? The
>earthquake and the resulting tsunamis have killed tens of thousands in
>South Asia and more will die if help doesn't get there fast. Of course,
>they ARE just a bunch of semi-literate wogs, so no biggie.
>
> When I first heard the US was sending only $15 million I thought -
>isn't that what they paid Julia Roberts to star in "Runaway Bride???"...
>(actually she got $17 million) No wonder the world hates us.
>
> Hell, I live here and *I* hate us, heh. It IS grotesque, ain't it, but
>that's the bizarre economy of scale that comes with mass marketing,
>misplaced values and a huge population to fuel it. Its also why little
>guys can make a subsistence living selling oddball books or CDs online
>now, because when you can go international with a $60+-per-year website,
>that niche market is as big as the full monty of an old-world setup.
>That's why record companies are being forced into near-obsolescence and
>may the practice continue, thank ya very fuckin' much.
>
> So, when is enough, enough? Never. We are fast-moving apes with a
>built-in survival mechanism that translates into selfishness, abuse and
>explosive acquisitiveness. Our rapidly increasing numbers assure us of a
>nasty end as soon as we reach critical mass. MY idea of Enough would be
>laughable to that goddamned woman who paid $50k for a clone of her dead
>cat. I hope she grows a 3rd tit and gets cancer in all 3 of 'em.
>
> Any real sense of "enough" would require a philosophical sea change of
>which we are not capable. This is the point at which one could almost
>look up and beg for a Sky Daddy to fix it all and frankly, that's what
>it would TAKE. Therefore, stay tuned for Smarmageddon, comin' right up
>as soon as the current infrastructure is stressed enough in the right
>places and snaps like a rotted twig. Huey, you're a real bummer. Fuck
>you for being a thinking person who doesn't delude himself with
>platitudes, willful moral blindness or comfort-purchases of plastic
>garbage. Wait, I DO buy plastic crap. Oh well, I don't practice what I
>preach because I'm not etc. etc. Have a nice UNH!
>
Oh, the poverty of life. And I don't mean the poor people.
Clinton and GHW Bush were talking about aiding the tsunami survivors,
and it was pointed out that this is an opportunity to make a big impact
in a Muslim area, Clinton sez, yeah, but it is important that that is not the
perception, but rather we are just trying to help folks live live to the fullest.
You know, be all that they can be, right? So, some UN guy chimes in,
yeah, the tsunami survivors but what about all of the World's poor, you
stingy guys? Sometimes, events can mobilize people, provide a rallying
point. One prof was telling me about the "revolution of rising expectations"
where when people are thoroughly oppressed and beaten down, they get
used to it, but when they sense the possibility of change and improvement,
they experience this revolution of rising expectations and want things a lot
better, and quick, too.
"God damn you in your Brooks Brothers suit!"
--Allen Ginsberg
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:29:21 -0700
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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> And how much money are we sending the thousands
> of injured and homeless people in Sri Lanka,
> Thailand, Indonesia, India and everywhere else?
Enter cruel facts time.
The only reason that chronic starvation exists in
parts of the fourth world is because local leaders
don't *want* food to get to some hated minority.
It's there, but they do everything in their power
to keep it from those they hate. The international
community is more than capable, and willing, and
they have the food, but the local tyrants keeps it
away from the starving people.
Poverty is even sillier. How many primitive cultures
*prevent* women from going to school? There goes
HALF of the potential income earners in a country!
Take for example the poverty of Bangladesh, a fine
mix of the worst elements of both Islam and socialism.
They have some of the most fertile farmland on Earth,
capable of producing enormous harvests that could
make them fantastically wealthy. But they don't grow
food, or any other profitable crop.
They grow jute. Vast amounts of jute.
Jute is a worthless fiber plant inferior to hemp, used
to make rope. Nobody wants it. But the international
community (UN) subsidizes the Bangladeshi jute industry,
buys their useless jute at a low price, then throws it
away.
Bangladesh has a larger government, per capita, than
the United States. Its largest government agency is
the Department of Jute. They tax the HELL out of
anybody who makes more than minimum wage, preventing
both economic growth and foreign investment in their
country. Their government has proven that it can waste
billions of dollars of foreign aid without showing
ANYTHING for it. Brewster's BILLIONS. Not a fixed
pothole. Not a new garbage truck. NOTHING.
They are not overpopulated, either. They have a lower
population density than a typical suburban area in the
US.
Their culture is Islamic and socialist. That is, dying.
But far too slowly for all the suffering it is causing.
And it really doesn't matter that Britney Shpears can
afford a diamond encrusted solid platinum dildo. She
could sell her entire collection of such novelties at
stupendous prices and send the money to Bangladesh and
not a single damn child would get a single damn meal
from it. It would be spent on bureaucrats to monitor
the progress of the jute crop, or shit like that.
For further information see P.J. O'Rourke's "All The
Troubles In The World".
--
"If you can't be the head, don't be
the backside because there is nothing
there but a tail."
-- Saddam Hussein
Correspondent:: "SYSÊþÑÙS" <ŠŸŠÊþÑÙS@ŠŸŠÊþÑÙS.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:57:30 -0500
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Write On!
But also the ignored:::
http://tinyurl.com/45wog
Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:23:31 -0600
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:29:21 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
>HellPope Huey wrote:
>>
>> And how much money are we sending the thousands
>> of injured and homeless people in Sri Lanka,
>> Thailand, Indonesia, India and everywhere else?
>
>
>Enter cruel facts time.
>
>The only reason that chronic starvation exists in
>parts of the fourth world is because local leaders
>don't *want* food to get to some hated minority.
>
>It's there, but they do everything in their power
>to keep it from those they hate. The international
>community is more than capable, and willing, and
>they have the food, but the local tyrants keeps it
>away from the starving people.
>
>Poverty is even sillier. How many primitive cultures
>*prevent* women from going to school? There goes
>HALF of the potential income earners in a country!
>
>Take for example the poverty of Bangladesh, a fine
>mix of the worst elements of both Islam and socialism.
>
>They have some of the most fertile farmland on Earth,
>capable of producing enormous harvests that could
>make them fantastically wealthy. But they don't grow
>food, or any other profitable crop.
>
>They grow jute. Vast amounts of jute.
>
>Jute is a worthless fiber plant inferior to hemp, used
>to make rope. Nobody wants it. But the international
>community (UN) subsidizes the Bangladeshi jute industry,
>buys their useless jute at a low price, then throws it
>away.
>
>Bangladesh has a larger government, per capita, than
>the United States. Its largest government agency is
>the Department of Jute. They tax the HELL out of
>anybody who makes more than minimum wage, preventing
>both economic growth and foreign investment in their
>country. Their government has proven that it can waste
>billions of dollars of foreign aid without showing
>ANYTHING for it. Brewster's BILLIONS. Not a fixed
>pothole. Not a new garbage truck. NOTHING.
>
>They are not overpopulated, either. They have a lower
>population density than a typical suburban area in the
>US.
>
>Their culture is Islamic and socialist. That is, dying.
>But far too slowly for all the suffering it is causing.
>
>And it really doesn't matter that Britney Shpears can
>afford a diamond encrusted solid platinum dildo. She
>could sell her entire collection of such novelties at
>stupendous prices and send the money to Bangladesh and
>not a single damn child would get a single damn meal
>from it. It would be spent on bureaucrats to monitor
>the progress of the jute crop, or shit like that.
>
>For further information see P.J. O'Rourke's "All The
>Troubles In The World".
For once i agree with nu-monet. I am very skeptical of aid systems
unless they have been in place a long time and learned the lay of the
land of the country that they are trying to give to.
In my experience, just as a one case scenario, I used to work for this
asshole who made a big deal about getting aid and supplies to the
Ukraine after the Chernobyl disaster.
hard fact #1
The medicines and medical supplies that he got donated were either
expired or about to expire. In other words old.
hard fact #2
The dollar value that was placed on these supplies was vastly inflated
in the name of good 'PR'.
hard fact #3
Since the medicine was old, it was probably a GOOD thing that the
Ukrainian mafia stole the entire shipment once it entered the Ukraine.
hard fact #4
The Ukrainian mafia not only stole free aid to their people but also
sold it back to them for huge profits.
This shit happens all over the world. Payloads of aid and supplies are
seen as a huge windfall to those in power to disseminate or profit
from as they see fit.
I'm taking a wait and see approach before donating to any of the
tsunami charities.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:20:13 GMT
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HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:29:21 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
> wrote:
>
>>HellPope Huey wrote:
>>>
>>> And how much money are we sending the thousands
>>> of injured and homeless people in Sri Lanka,
>>> Thailand, Indonesia, India and everywhere else?
>>
>>
>>Enter cruel facts time.
>>
>>The only reason that chronic starvation exists in
>>parts of the fourth world is because local leaders
>>don't *want* food to get to some hated minority.
>>
>>It's there, but they do everything in their power
>>to keep it from those they hate. The international
>>community is more than capable, and willing, and
>>they have the food, but the local tyrants keeps it
>>away from the starving people.
>>
>>Poverty is even sillier. How many primitive cultures
>>*prevent* women from going to school? There goes
>>HALF of the potential income earners in a country!
>>
>>Take for example the poverty of Bangladesh, a fine
>>mix of the worst elements of both Islam and socialism.
>>
>>They have some of the most fertile farmland on Earth,
>>capable of producing enormous harvests that could
>>make them fantastically wealthy. But they don't grow
>>food, or any other profitable crop.
>>
>>They grow jute. Vast amounts of jute.
>>
>>Jute is a worthless fiber plant inferior to hemp, used
>>to make rope. Nobody wants it. But the international
>>community (UN) subsidizes the Bangladeshi jute industry,
>>buys their useless jute at a low price, then throws it
>>away.
>>
>>Bangladesh has a larger government, per capita, than
>>the United States. Its largest government agency is
>>the Department of Jute. They tax the HELL out of
>>anybody who makes more than minimum wage, preventing
>>both economic growth and foreign investment in their
>>country. Their government has proven that it can waste
>>billions of dollars of foreign aid without showing
>>ANYTHING for it. Brewster's BILLIONS. Not a fixed
>>pothole. Not a new garbage truck. NOTHING.
>>
>>They are not overpopulated, either. They have a lower
>>population density than a typical suburban area in the
>>US.
>>
>>Their culture is Islamic and socialist. That is, dying.
>>But far too slowly for all the suffering it is causing.
>>
>>And it really doesn't matter that Britney Shpears can
>>afford a diamond encrusted solid platinum dildo. She
>>could sell her entire collection of such novelties at
>>stupendous prices and send the money to Bangladesh and
>>not a single damn child would get a single damn meal
>>from it. It would be spent on bureaucrats to monitor
>>the progress of the jute crop, or shit like that.
>>
>>For further information see P.J. O'Rourke's "All The
>>Troubles In The World".
>
>For once i agree with nu-monet. I am very skeptical of aid systems
>unless they have been in place a long time and learned the lay of the
>land of the country that they are trying to give to.
>
>In my experience, just as a one case scenario, I used to work for this
>asshole who made a big deal about getting aid and supplies to the
>Ukraine after the Chernobyl disaster.
>
>hard fact #1
>The medicines and medical supplies that he got donated were either
>expired or about to expire. In other words old.
>
>hard fact #2
>The dollar value that was placed on these supplies was vastly inflated
>in the name of good 'PR'.
>
>hard fact #3
>Since the medicine was old, it was probably a GOOD thing that the
>Ukrainian mafia stole the entire shipment once it entered the Ukraine.
>
>hard fact #4
>The Ukrainian mafia not only stole free aid to their people but also
>sold it back to them for huge profits.
>
>This shit happens all over the world. Payloads of aid and supplies are
>seen as a huge windfall to those in power to disseminate or profit
>from as they see fit.
>
>I'm taking a wait and see approach before donating to any of the
>tsunami charities.
The stats I saw recently were that there is about $241 billion US charity,
but that only about $5 billion makes it to foreign charity, despite this there
is still a lot of US poverty and homelessness. Go figure!
I am skeptical about the US getting too involved in the aid effort unless
the UN or some multinational force takes over Iraq, as the US is getting
spread thin with Aghanistan and Iraq and the Indonesian front; they can
handle 2.5 big events but maybe not much more. So, if mil forces are put
at handling 3.5 big events, and something more happens there isn't much
US capacity to spare.
In development, there is a "lifeboat" perspective sometimes;
how many people can you pull into the lifeboat before it starts
to sink endangering everyone, so there is unfortunately triage:
who can wait a while, who needs immediate help, and who is
beyond help.
But it boggles me that the US can absorb $236 billions in a year,
and not solve some basic problems.
What is the proposed course of action, I wonder, beyond immediate
disaster relief? Because I would think that the nature of the relief efforts
would be shaped by long-term development plans, or it is a band-aid
operation. I hear that USAID has something going there, so I would suspect
something more than immediate food and water.
Already, their saying don't send any more clothes. Just cash!!!
The Indians were funny, they mostly wanted to do it themselves,
and I don't blame them!
Correspondent:: joseywales@outlaw.nospam (David James Polewka)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:14:04 GMT
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
>HellPope Huey wrote:
>>
>> And how much money are we sending the thousands
>> of injured and homeless people in Sri Lanka,
>> Thailand, Indonesia, India and everywhere else?
>
>
>Enter cruel facts time.
>
>The only reason that chronic starvation exists in
>parts of the fourth world is because local leaders
>don't *want* food to get to some hated minority.
>
>It's there, but they do everything in their power
>to keep it from those they hate. The international
>community is more than capable, and willing, and
>they have the food, but the local tyrants keeps it
>away from the starving people.
>
>Poverty is even sillier. How many primitive cultures
>*prevent* women from going to school? There goes
>HALF of the potential income earners in a country!
>
>Take for example the poverty of Bangladesh, a fine
>mix of the worst elements of both Islam and socialism.
>
>They have some of the most fertile farmland on Earth,
>capable of producing enormous harvests that could
>make them fantastically wealthy. But they don't grow
>food, or any other profitable crop.
>
>They grow jute. Vast amounts of jute.
>
>Jute is a worthless fiber plant inferior to hemp, used
>to make rope. Nobody wants it. But the international
>community (UN) subsidizes the Bangladeshi jute industry,
>buys their useless jute at a low price, then throws it
>away.
World Production and Potential Utilization of Jute, Kenaf, and Allied
Fibers
Aimin Liu, Ph.D.
Abstract
Jute, kenaf, and other allied fibers (JAF) are the second most important
natural fibers next to cotton. JAF are cash crops of great
socio-economic importance in countries like, Bangladesh, China, India,
Nepal, and Thailand, since they provide sustenance to more than 12
million small and marginal farm families for their livelihood.
World production of JAF, however, has shown a declining trend. For
example, total world JAF production in 99/00 decreased sharply by 33.5%
to 2.61 million tons from its peak of 3.92 million tons in 97/98. Jute
production in Bangladesh and India decreased by 49 % and 19%,
respectively, and kenaf production in China and Thailand decreased by
59% and 47%, respectively during the same period.
Among many factors influencing JAF production, less competitive price of
JAF comparing to that of other cash crops has discouraged farmers to
cultivate JAF. The shrinking market of traditional JAF products resulted
from bulk handling and competition from synthetic substitutes has
contributed to the less remunerative price of JAF. Also, as a result of
globalization and economic liberalization, the commodity markets have
become more competitive.
Noticeable efforts are being made to promote the traditional JAF
products in order to retain their existing markets. Also, R&D activities
at both national and international levels have resulted in the
innovation and introduction of a series of value-added JAF products,
such as, paper pulp, reinforced composite materials, geo-textiles, and
home textiles, etc. These products have not only provided us with
solutions to certain environmental problems, but also predicted a
potentially bright future for mass consumption of JAF, which will
improve the frustrated situation of JAF production. However, joint
efforts are still needed among policy makers, industries, and NGOs in
order to promote JAF and make these natural fibers a new industrial
material.
INTRODUCTION
With increasing deterioration of world environments caused mainly by the
extensive exploration and utilization of nature resources and the
continuous expansion of synthetic market, naturally renewable materials
are gradually attracting more and more attentions from both developed
and developing countries. Among many naturally renewable materials,
jute, kenaf and allied fibers (JAF) are becoming increasingly important
because of their chemical, mechanical, and environmental
characteristics. Different groups from around the world have been making
enormous efforts in promoting JAF in the areas of agricultural
production, product innovation, and market development. Established in
1984, International Jute Organisation (IJO), an inter-governmental
organisation headquartered in Dhaka, Bangladesh, has played an important
role in implementing JAF-related programs among its member countries.
Agricultural R&D has been its focus since the inception of the IJO and
will remain an important sector for JAF development. IJO’s agricultural
R&D has been focused on the areas like, varietal improvement for better
yield, biotic and abiotic resistance, application of biotechnology, cost
reduction, environmental assessment, and harvest and post-harvest
techniques, etc.
With the largest JAF germplasm repository containing about 6,000
accessions, scientist have been able to develop jute and kenaf varieties
with improved agronomic traits like high yielding, disease and insect
resistance, and adaptability to adverse environments. IJO has assisted
project participating countries in releasing a number of jute/kenaf
varieties which have replaced traditional varieties and are being
cultivated by farmers in large area. For example, kenaf hybrid varieties
KB2 and KB11 developed by Institute of Bast Fiber Crops, China, yield
3.7 ton/ha fibers, which is about 16% higher than control variety. Under
IJO project, scientists in Biotechnological Research Center, Chinese
Academy of Agricultural Sciences, have successfully produced the first
trasgenic kenaf plant by transforming the fungal resistance genes
Chitinase and glucanase into kenaf. The implementation of projects in
seed production, retting technologies and sustainable production has
also contributed significantly to JAF development.
Because of the downturn in world demand of traditional JAF products for
the last many years resulted mainly from bulk handling and the
competition from synthetic products, development of diversified and
value-added JAF products is becoming imperative. Environmental concerns
on excessive use of natural resources also add forces pushing upward the
recent trends in using natural, renewable fibers to partially replace
synthetics in many areas.
WORLD PRODUCTION OF JAF
Total world production of JAF fluctuates around three million tons each
year depending largely on the world demand, as well as the climate
conditions in JAF producing countries. In 99/00, total world jute and
kenaf production was 2.6 million tons. Jute production was 2.09 million
tons, among which, production from Bangladesh accounts for 68%, India
for 30% and Myanmar and Nepal for 1% each. Total kenaf production in
99/00 was 0.51 million tons, among which production from China accounts
for 44%, India for 39%, Thailand for 12%, and the remaining are from
Indonesia, Vietnam and other countries. Of the total JAF production,
five major producing countries, namely, Bangladesh, China, India, Nepal,
and Thailand account for about 95%. These countries also provide the
base for 90% export of JAF products.
In spite of the agricultural R&D which has resulted in increased
productivity and improved farming practices of JAF, world production of
JAF has shown an declining trend. As shown in Fig.1 and 2, total world
JAF production in 99/00 decreased sharply by 33.5% to 2.61 million tons
from its peak of 3.92 million tons in 97/98. Jute production in
Bangladesh and India decreased by 49 % and 19%, respectively, and kenaf
production in China and Thailand decreased by 59% and 47%, respectively
during the same period. Total world kenaf production in 99/00 was 0.51
million tons, showing a 30% decrease as compared with that of previous
year. Nowadays, it is not easy to find any huge kenaf cultivation area
in kenaf producing countries like China and Thailand. It has been
noticed now kenaf is only planted on marginal lands with poor or no
management. It has been forecasted that, under normal weather conditions
and taking into consideration as far as possible the interplay of many
factors affecting jute area and yield, world production of JAF is
projected at 2.9 million tons in 2005. (FAO)
Following a similar trend, total cultivation area under JAF also
decreased significantly in most of the JAF producing countries. From
97/98 to 99/00, total areas of world JAF cultivation decreased by 19%
from 1.11 million ha to 0.91 million ha. Planting areas in Bangladesh,
China, and India decreased by 49%, 63%, and 19%, respectively during the
same period. It has been a noticeable pheromone that in most of the JAF
producing countries, farmers are giving up JAF cultivation and shifting
to planting other cash crops such as sugar cane, cassava, and rice for
more remunerative return. Some national governments are also adjusting
their agricultural policies by lowering the priority of JAF among other
crops.
JAF have been considered as a valuable natural resource with many
advantages over synthetics like, renewability, and biodegradability. JAF
planting can enrich the soil fertility, absorb atmosphere CO2 at a
higher rate than other plants, which would contribute to cleaning air.
Also, the products made from JAF are eco-friendly, less costly, and
comparable with similar products made from synthetics in terms of their
physical, chemical, and cosmetic properties. However, the above JAF
production data has indicated that JAF production is following a
declining trend worldwide. The main reasons may be summarized as
follows: a). The world market for traditional JAF product such as,
sacking and hessian is shrinking at a very fast speed, which has been
caused either by bulk handling or increasing use of synthetics. For
example, from 98/99 to 99/00, world export of JAF yarns, sacking,
hessian, and carpet backing decreased remarkably by 76%, 71%, 92%, and
88%, respectively. b). Lower demand of JAF in world market has resulted
in a low price of raw JAF. As a marginal farming group, JAF farmers have
very weak bargaining power when selling their fibers to the middle
agents. Therefore, farmers are discouraged by the low price and are
replacing JAF with more remunerative crops on their limited lands. The
withdrawal of national subsidy program or no subsidy at all also
negatively affects farmer’s motivation in JAF planting. It should be
mentioned that the production of jute and kenaf fibers, i.e. from sowing
to retting is a more value-added process than production of other crops.
However, this added value is never reflected in the sale price of fibers
at farm gate. and c). Although lots of efforts have been made in
developing value-added and diversified JAF products, most of the
products are still at their pilot stages. So far, there is not a single
such product available in the market in large scale, which can consume
large quantity of JAF.
To improve this frustrated situation, agricultural research need to be
continued in order to improve productivity and reduce production cost.
On the other hand, development of value-added, diversified products and
their marketing infrastructure should be emphasized.
PROMISING JUTE AND KENAF PRODUCTS
Development of an agricultural commodity largely depends on its
industrialization. This is especially true for JAF because jute and
kenaf fibers are mostly being used for manufacturing traditional
products with low value addition. Earnings from JAF are mostly through
exporting raw materials or trading traditional less value-added
products. To develop JAF products, following elements should be
considered: i). high value addition; ii). low price/performance ratio;
iii). well-defined market sectors; iv). large economic scale; and v).
significantly environmental benefit. Following products are considered
to have great potential:
Pulp and Paper
Research and development activities in many countries have indicated
that kenaf can be used for producing high-quality writing and specialty
papers. The separated bark and core fractions can be used to produce
pulps with properties comparable to those produced from wood. The bark
fibers offer strength to the pulp while the shorter core fibers provide
appreciable surface characteristics. Furthermore, using kenaf for pulp
making has many advantages such as, reduced chemical and energy
consumption, recycle of paper mill wastewater as fertilizer, suitable
for making specialty and high quality paper, etc. Pulping the whole stem
material also reduces the cost by avoiding labor-intensive retting and
extraction process.
Despite the available technologies and products of kenaf paper, the
market share of kenaf paper is still very small. Three possible
scenarios may exist for the unsuccessful market development of kenaf
paper:
1. Countries facing the threats of environmental degradation caused
by deforestation may not have sufficient support both financially and
technologically in developing kenaf paper, like the case in China.
2. Countries with sufficient financial, technological, and
governmental supports may not have the required production scale for raw
material supply, like the case in Japan;
3. Countries with all necessary requirements for kenaf paper industry
like, raw materials supply, technologies, and capital, but face strong
competition from timber industry, like the case in the US.
In view of above, a joint effort is very important to promote kenaf
paper industry. Also, strong support from policy makers is a key factor.
Jute/Kenaf Reinforced Composites
Jute/kenaf fibers have the potential to compete with glass fiber as
reinforcing agents in plastics. Technology exists for incorporating
jute/kenaf fiber with polypropylene yielding jute/kenaf composite
granules, which can be used in thermoforming processing techniques, such
as injection moulding and compressing moulding. This composite can be
used
1. in packaging industry manufacturing crates, boxes, cases, etc. for
storage and transportation of agricultural products.
2. in automobile industry to replace glass fiber in door pannels and
other parts;
3. as construction materials.
Products made from jute/kenaf reinforced composite have the advantages
of low cost, low density, renewability, and biodegradability.
Applications of this composite are foreseen to have significantly
positive effect on the environments since packaging industry consumes
about one-third of the plastic consumption in many developed countries.
Also, packaging industry is responsible for the production of 20.8% of
total world solid waste and 3.7% of energy consumption.
Particleboard
Particleboard made from bast fiber, core fiber, or their mixture has a
wide-range applications as substitute of wood. The availability of the
technologies for producing particleboard, combining its high
socio-economic value will give it big potentials for future development.
Geo-textile
JAF geo-textile is another product with potentially large-scale
application. It can be used for soil erosion control and vegetation
establishment, agro-mulching materials, and road pavement construction.
In 1998, worldwide consumption of hillslope erosion control geo-textile
was 87 million m2, among which natural geo-textile accounted for 57%.
However, among the natural geo-textile, jute/kenaf geo-textile only
accounts for 15%. The remaining are led by excelsior/straw (59%), coir
(22%), an others (4%). Therefore, room exists for developing jute/kenaf
geo-textile into this sector. There is no need to mention the advantages
of using natural geo-textile here.
CONCLUSIONS
JAF can also be used for manufacturing various other products such as
home textile, industry absorbent materials, and forage, etc. However,
the products described above are singled out in this paper because of
the their potentially large economic scale and targeted market sectors.
The technologies for manufacturing those products are either mature or
at pilot stages awaiting further investment. Many factors need to be
taken into consideration first when setting up the kenaf industry, for
example: a). large JAF production base to ensure the raw materials
supply; b). government-enforced policies and regulations on
environmental protection, especially, forest resource protection; c).
favorable investment environments; and d). selection of location where
economy is booming, etc.
As a new industry, JAF industry should be paid more attention by the
national government in combining with their national policies on
environmental protection. Initiations should also been taken by relevant
leading industries with visions and capital.
=========================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:37:10 -0700
--------
David James Polewka wrote:
>
> World Production and Potential Utilization of
> Jute, Kenaf, and Allied Fibers
The bottom line of what the good doctor wrote is the
very essence of the problem:
Jute is in decline. Nobody wants it, and the price
for it continues to drop.
Now, by a capitalist economic model, what they should
do is instead produce any number of *other* crops,
which should be simplicity itself and is done by other
farmers all over the world. It's not like they live in
a waterless desert--they live on rich river delta land
comparable to Louisiana. They can grow just about any
crop they want.
But what are they doing? Trying to convince people to
continue to buy their low-value, unwanted merchandise!
Is that insane, or what?
I might add that other countries see Bangladesh as a
potential agricultural rival. If B starts growing more
conventional crops, these other countries will lose money.
So they pay, and call on the international community to
pay a SUBSIDY to Bangladesh to CONTINUE to grow fucking
jute!
And that SUBSIDY goes directly to the government of B,
which wastes it. In exchange, they *prevent* their own
people from improving their own lives by planting other
crops.
--
"I'd just like to say I'm sailing with the Rock
and I'll be back like Independence Day with Jesus,
June 6, like the movie, big mothership and all.
I'll be back."
--Executed Serial killer Aileen Wuornos
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:23:32 GMT
--------
In article <41DBF9C1.2C15@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> For further information see P.J. O'Rourke's "All The
> Troubles In The World".
One of the finer books ever printed. I also strongly recommend
"Parliament of Whores" as a neo-text for how our own government "works."
--
HellPope Huey
No good deed goes unpunned.
Somewhere between the Angels and the French
lies the rest of humanity.
- Mark Twain
"Oh, you hate your job?
Why didn't you say so?
There's a support group for that;
its called 'Everybody'
and they meet at the bar."
- Drew Carey
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:02:27 -0500
--------
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:06:27 +0000, HellPope Huey wrote:
> When I first heard the US was sending only $15 million I thought -
> isn't that what they paid Julia Roberts to star in "Runaway Bride???"...
> (actually she got $17 million) No wonder the world hates us.
The world? As represented by whom, the rich Saudis who belong to Al Qaida?
Do you have figures on how much money was sent to the Sri Lankan's by
those who hate us? I'm willing to bet that "they" are far too busy hating
us to have even thought of taking up a collection, unless its for a shiny
new Kalashnikov.
Fuck those who hate us; that's all they know or care about. Why don't
YOU become a rich movie star, etc. and right a few perceived wrongs
with all of your newfound wads of cash?
The most urgent question I have for you, though, is, WHY IN HELL SHOULD
I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN SRI LANKA? No, seriously; why should I?
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Correspondent:: "SYSÊþÑÙS" <ŠŸŠÊþÑÙS@ŠŸŠÊþÑÙS.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:54:32 -0500
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>
> The world? As represented by whom, the rich Saudis who belong to Al Qaida?
> Do you have figures on how much money was sent to the Sri Lankan's by
> those who hate us? I'm willing to bet that "they" are far too busy hating
> us to have even thought of taking up a collection, unless its for a shiny
> new Kalashnikov.
givers.html@a.b.s
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:24:28 GMT
--------
In article ,
Artemia Salina wrote:
> The most urgent question I have for you, though, is, WHY IN HELL SHOULD
> I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN SRI LANKA? No, seriously; why should I?
Because Arthur C. Clarke lived there.
--
HellPope Huey
No good deed goes unpunned.
Somewhere between the Angels and the French
lies the rest of humanity.
- Mark Twain
"Oh, you hate your job?
Why didn't you say so?
There's a support group for that;
its called 'Everybody'
and they meet at the bar."
- Drew Carey
Correspondent:: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date: 5 Jan 2005 20:31:41 -0500
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HellPope Huey wrote:
>In article ,
> Artemia Salina wrote:
>
>> The most urgent question I have for you, though, is, WHY IN HELL SHOULD
>> I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN SRI LANKA? No, seriously; why should I?
>
> Because Arthur C. Clarke lived there.
He still does live there. He was inland enough that he didn't suffer much
damage. His power in Columbo was out for a while but it's back now. At
least, his desktop pings from here.
--scott
>
>--
>
> HellPope Huey
> No good deed goes unpunned.
>
> Somewhere between the Angels and the French
> lies the rest of humanity.
> - Mark Twain
>
> "Oh, you hate your job?
> Why didn't you say so?
> There's a support group for that;
> its called 'Everybody'
> and they meet at the bar."
> - Drew Carey
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:57:30 GMT
--------
In article ,
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> >In article ,
> > Artemia Salina wrote:
> >
> >> The most urgent question I have for you, though, is, WHY IN HELL SHOULD
> >> I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN SRI LANKA? No, seriously; why should I?
> >
> > Because Arthur C. Clarke lived there.
>
> He still does live there. He was inland enough that he didn't suffer much
> damage. His power in Columbo was out for a while but it's back now. At
> least, his desktop pings from here.
Actually, thanks for that info; its one small bright spot in the midst
of a numbing event.
--
HellPope Huey
If I could catch Time in a bottle...
I'd go back, buy a bunch of Microsoft stock
and kick the crap out of Hitler.
Wouldn't you?
"Just because a man sleeps with his daughter,
drinks liquor from a jelly jar
and has cars up on blocks in his front yard
doesn't make him a racist
and I'm sure I speak for all white trash
when I say that we don't want to be associated
with the redneck peckerwoods."
- A. Whitney Brown
"Baby Oopsy kicked my butt!"
- "Puppet Master Vs. Demonic Toys"
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:31:25 -0500
--------
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:06:27 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:
> Any real sense of "enough" would require a philosophical sea change of
>which we are not capable.
There was an excellent documentary the BBC did a while ago on the
"winner take all economy". It's too bad it's not still up.
I'm a libertarian so I'm obviously a believer in free markets and
capitalism. I don't really see any other way as being viable at all.
However, to implement liberarian values, or even to just have our
current economic system continue to function, it does seem like we
need some kind of restraint. We need to realize that not everyone's
only goal in life is making as much money as possible...some people
need slack.
We have CEO's laying off hundreds of employees and then taking pay
increases about equal to those employees salaries in the same year.
That's a sign that things are fucked up.
The thing is, it ain't going to last forever. the superrich are going
to have to keep retreating farther and farther to escape the problems
which their irrisponsibility brings. Eventually there isn't going to
be any place left to run to. They can keep bitching and pretending
that the problems are 100% not their fault...sucks for the rest of us
but they can do it...but only for so long. Eventually the disparity
between the lifestyle of the superrich and the rest of us is going to
become impossible to ignore and/or maintain.
But is the only answer that the "philisophical sea change" that is
necessary to prevent the inevitable disaster that this largesse will
bring is impossible? Is there some other way?
I had a discussion on this a while ago with a bunch of Republicans.
The only thing we could come up with was unionization of the middle
class (we were talking about tech workers in particular, but it works
for everyone). I mean the problems inherant with unions are obvious,
but I'm not sure there's really any other way. Forced wealth
redistribution or state control of wealth simply doesn't work. I mean
we can see it in communist nations, and we can see it in the way the
US government pisses away our tax dollars like it was nothing as well.
Govenments, as it has been proven over and over again throughout
history, are never ever the best entity to do almost anything except
protect us from one another. Everything they touch turns to shit
sooner or later.
I guess you have to look at what we have vs. what "they" have. They
have the power and the money, we have the numbers. What do you do
when all you have is numbers? You use your numbers to take the false
power that the rich have away from them. The problem is that concepts
like responsible spending (i.e. buying clothes that cost $0.37 more
but aren't made by a 4 year old chained to a sewing machine in El
Salvador) are completely foreign to us now. You cited the
entertainment industry in your examples...that's a perfect example of
the problem. The only thing that's important to us now is image. We
worship celbrities simply because they are famous. People like Paris
Hilton are living, breathing marketing campaigns and people just eat
it up. I mean she's talking about dropping an ALBUM now...where did
she get musical credibility all of a sudden? Didn't making music used
to be about expressing a creative impulse? It used to be that
marketing was designed to sell a product but now marketing IS the
product. They are selling soemthing which exists only in the mind of
the viewer...and charging a hell of a lot of money for it.
You can see our lack of discipline in our governmental affairs as
well. If you talk to people, almost no one really approves of the
eye-popping amount of waste that the federal government engages in,
but we see it as being out of our control. Other people oppose the
war in Iraq, or the DMCA, or the Patriot Act, but see it as being "not
their fault". The thing is, it IS their fault...it's all of our
faults. We're allowing the government to run us rather that us
running the government. We DO still have the power, for now, but we
refuse to acknowledge that power or the responsibility that comes with
it. Eventually the greed nazis are going to stop having to hide their
agendas, their dirty tricks and backroom deals, and that time is
approaching faster than most people would like to think. Look at the
voting machine issues. I mean, this is an issue CENTRAL to the
maintinance of, "We the people..." and yet people allow it to be
dragged into partisanship and beaurocracy. Every single database on
my companies network which contains anything of even PERCIEVED value
has a password on it and some kind of audit trail, but ones critical
to the integrity of our democracy don't? I mean that's just assinine
n matter who you voted for in the last election.
So I guess in the end we really ARE fucked. There are solutions to
the problem but we are, as you say, incapable of making the mental
change that it takes to implement those solutions. We're content to
whistle past the graveyard as the signs that our society is crumbling
are all around us. People aren't getting that things HAVE changed.
Up until Vietnam or so, you could probably be forgiven for seeing the
benefits of progress as outweighing the negativity which had followed
it. However, our society has changed on an unprecidented level in the
last hundred years and it is beomcing increasingly obvious that our
governments, and in fact our entire way of life, is not keeping up
with the times. Is a colossal disaster the only way we're going to
realize that we don't live in the same world that we used to anymore?
I don't like the historical precidents for that question...
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: William Earl Haskell
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:11:09 -0600
--------
endus wrote:
> The thing is, it ain't going to last forever. the superrich are going
> to have to keep retreating farther and farther to escape the problems
> which their irrisponsibility brings. Eventually there isn't going to
> be any place left to run to. They can keep bitching and pretending
> that the problems are 100% not their fault...sucks for the rest of us
> but they can do it...but only for so long. Eventually the disparity
> between the lifestyle of the superrich and the rest of us is going to
> become impossible to ignore and/or maintain.
Actually, it _can_ last forever. In case you haven't noticed, there's been
this big push in astronomy towards finding planets in other systems -
earth-type planets, especially. Hmmm?
Guess who already have their escape saucers packed and ready to bail - and
who _sold_ the things to those guys.
("Bob", you insane bastard, you just won't ever change, will ya?!)
Correspondent:: endus
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:30:19 -0500
--------
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:11:09 -0600, William Earl Haskell
wrote:
>endus wrote:
>
>> The thing is, it ain't going to last forever. the superrich are going
>> to have to keep retreating farther and farther to escape the problems
>> which their irrisponsibility brings. Eventually there isn't going to
>> be any place left to run to. They can keep bitching and pretending
>> that the problems are 100% not their fault...sucks for the rest of us
>> but they can do it...but only for so long. Eventually the disparity
>> between the lifestyle of the superrich and the rest of us is going to
>> become impossible to ignore and/or maintain.
>
>Actually, it _can_ last forever. In case you haven't noticed, there's been
>this big push in astronomy towards finding planets in other systems -
>earth-type planets, especially. Hmmm?
>
>Guess who already have their escape saucers packed and ready to bail - and
>who _sold_ the things to those guys.
>
>("Bob", you insane bastard, you just won't ever change, will ya?!)
Ahhh...."Bob" is wise indeed! I'm starting to understand you guys'
faith in him now.
The only thing I guess we have to worry about is whether the damn
things actually WORK or not or whether "Bob" was just out to out
Conspirtatize the Consirpators. The superrich are suckers for a
pretty case and flashing lights....but they're a little soft on
actually seeing if the damn thing works or not...
--
endus at endus dot com
The hippies are a menace in the form of an anachronism,
a noisy reminder of values gone sour and warped...of the
painful contradictions in a society conceived as a monument
to "human freedom" and "individual rights," a nation in
which all men are supposedly "created free and equal"...a
nation that any thinking hippy will insist has become a
fear-oriented "warfare state" that can no longer afford
to tolerate even the minor aberrations that go along
with "individual freedom". -Hunter S. Thompson
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:37:34 -0500
--------
Hey, you want to get pissed about something? How about getting pissed
off at the CEO of some corp. interviewed on CNN last week who was trying
to sell the idea of having HIS company install a tidal wave warning
system in India at a cost of billions of dollars. He said that the
reason that so many people got killed was because they had no early
warning system in place. What he DIDN'T mention was the REASON they
had no system in place: THEY NEVER HAVE TIDAL WAVES IN THE INDIAN
OCEAN. NEVER! One might as well call for a tidal wave early warning
system in LAKE FUCKING EERIE. The odds of there ever being another
tidal wave in the Indian ocean are astronomically small, but here's
this guy, like Mr. Hainey from Green Acres, trying to sell his
useless gadgetry and scoop up billions in aid money right while
emotions are running high.
So go ahead; give until it hurts.
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Correspondent:: joseywales@outlaw.nospam (David James Polewka)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:17:39 GMT
--------
"Kent Dorfman" wrote:
>"Artemia Salina" wrote:
>
>> THEY NEVER HAVE TIDAL WAVES IN THE INDIAN
>> OCEAN.
>
>To the contrary, they are fairly common there,
>as a bit of research outside the narrow limits
>of your current rectal source would have
>informed you.
>
>This one just happened to be spectacular enough
>to rate world-wide attention.
http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/#Tsunamis_affecting_South_Asia_
TSUNAMIS ON THE COAST LINES OF INDIA
T. S. Murty
Baird and Associates Coastal Engineers
Ottawa, Canada
A. Bapat
Sadashiv Peth, Puna, India
Although the majority of the reported tsunamis are from littoral
countries of the Pacific Ocean, there are a few cases of tsunamis in the
Indian Ocean. The approximate length of the Indian coast is about 6000
kilometers. The coasts run from north to south and have two arms in the
east and west with a tapering end at Kanyakumari. The tsunamigenic
earthquakes occur mostly at the following three locations; (1) The
Andaman sea, (2) Area about 400-500 kilometers SSW of Sri Lanka
(Ceylon), (3) The Arabian Sea about 70-100 kilometers south of Pakistan
Coast -- off Karachi and Baluchistan. The oldest record of tsunami is
available from November 326 BC earthquake near the Indus delta/Kutch
region. Alexander the Great was returning to Greece after his conquest
and wanted to go back by a sea route. But an earthquake of large
magnitude destroyed the mighty Macedonian fleet as reported by Lietzin
(1974).
The earliest record of tsunami is reported to be about 1.5 meters at
Chennai (formerly Madras) which was created due to the August 8, 1883
Krakatoa volcanic explosion in Indonesia. An earthquake of magnitude
8.25 occurred about 70 kilometers south of Karachi (Pakistan) at 24.5 N
and 63.0 E on November 27, 1945. This created a large tsunami of about
11.0 to 11.5 meters high on the coasts of India in the Kutchch region,
as reported by Pendse (1945). An earthquake of magnitude 8.1 occurred in
the Andaman Sea at 12.9 N and 92.5 E on June 26, 1941 and a tsunami hit
the east coast of India. As per non-scientific/journalistic sources, the
height of the tsunami was of the order of 0.75 to 1.25 meters. At the
time no tide gauge was in operation. Mathematical calculations suggest
that the height could be of the order of 1.0 meter. There are a few more
cases of earthquakes of magnitude less than 8.0 which have given rise to
some smaller tsunamis. Bapat, et al (1983) have reported a few more
earthquakes on the coast of Myanmar (formerly Burma).
HTH, ASSHOLE!
=========================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:19:22 -0500
--------
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:17:39 +0000, David James Polewka wrote:
> http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/#Tsunamis_affecting_South_Asia_
>
> TSUNAMIS ON THE COAST LINES OF INDIA
> T. S. Murty
> Baird and Associates Coastal Engineers
> Ottawa, Canada
> A. Bapat
> Sadashiv Peth, Puna, India
>
> Although the majority of the reported tsunamis are from littoral
> countries of the Pacific Ocean, there are a few cases of tsunamis in the
> Indian Ocean. The approximate length of the Indian coast is about 6000
> kilometers. The coasts run from north to south and have two arms in the
> east and west with a tapering end at Kanyakumari. The tsunamigenic
> earthquakes occur mostly at the following three locations; (1) The
> Andaman sea, (2) Area about 400-500 kilometers SSW of Sri Lanka
> (Ceylon), (3) The Arabian Sea about 70-100 kilometers south of Pakistan
> Coast -- off Karachi and Baluchistan. The oldest record of tsunami is
> available from November 326 BC earthquake near the Indus delta/Kutch
> region. Alexander the Great was returning to Greece after his conquest
> and wanted to go back by a sea route. But an earthquake of large
> magnitude destroyed the mighty Macedonian fleet as reported by Lietzin
> (1974).
>
> The earliest record of tsunami is reported to be about 1.5 meters at
> Chennai (formerly Madras) which was created due to the August 8, 1883
> Krakatoa volcanic explosion in Indonesia. An earthquake of magnitude
> 8.25 occurred about 70 kilometers south of Karachi (Pakistan) at 24.5 N
> and 63.0 E on November 27, 1945. This created a large tsunami of about
> 11.0 to 11.5 meters high on the coasts of India in the Kutchch region,
> as reported by Pendse (1945). An earthquake of magnitude 8.1 occurred in
> the Andaman Sea at 12.9 N and 92.5 E on June 26, 1941 and a tsunami hit
> the east coast of India. As per non-scientific/journalistic sources, the
> height of the tsunami was of the order of 0.75 to 1.25 meters. At the
> time no tide gauge was in operation. Mathematical calculations suggest
> that the height could be of the order of 1.0 meter. There are a few more
> cases of earthquakes of magnitude less than 8.0 which have given rise to
> some smaller tsunamis. Bapat, et al (1983) have reported a few more
> earthquakes on the coast of Myanmar (formerly Burma).
>
> HTH, ASSHOLE!
I count approximately SIX tsunamis of note since 326 B FUCKING C. That's
about one every FOUR HUNDRED years. That's what I would call NEVER,
comparatively speaking.
HTH, you hand-wringing COCK SNOUT!
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Correspondent:: joseywales@outlaw.nospam (David James Polewka)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:48 GMT
--------
Artemia Salina wrote:
I said:
>> HTH, ASSHOLE!
>
>I count approximately SIX tsunamis of note since 326 B FUCKING C. That's
>about one every FOUR HUNDRED years. That's what I would call NEVER,
>comparatively speaking.
>
>HTH, you hand-wringing COCK SNOUT!
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Kent.
He's the asshole who contradicted you.
=========================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:37:34 -0500
--------
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:48 +0000, David James Polewka wrote:
> Artemia Salina wrote:
>
> I said:
>
>>> HTH, ASSHOLE!
>>
>>I count approximately SIX tsunamis of note since 326 B FUCKING C. That's
>>about one every FOUR HUNDRED years. That's what I would call NEVER,
>>comparatively speaking.
>>
>>HTH, you hand-wringing COCK SNOUT!
>
> I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Kent.
> He's the asshole who contradicted you.
Right! I knew that! I knew that!
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Correspondent:: "jethro_hell@yahoo.com"
Date: 5 Jan 2005 12:46:56 -0800
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The most interesting thing is how little or none of the abundant
wildlife in these areas are showing up dead in the wake of the flood.
Tsunami warning control? All they/we need to do is what the ancients
did for warning signs. Watch the critters. Move when they do, where
they do.
Unless of course the critter happens to be a lemming, then you're on
your own.....
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:32:59 GMT
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For the record, I never said I thought most of the Third World should
NOT be nuked. I mean, the jet stream would eventually spread the
radiation in MY neighborhood and that would be simply AWFUL.
Our assholes are no better than their assholes, really; just
better-funded and not saddled with simple delusions. No, our delusions
are quite COMPLEX and that makes us BETTER than them.
To hell with the wogs; 6 months from now, their graves will be covered
with bigger, better hotels and we will not have heard anything about the
tsunami for 4. Praise your Ford and patch the old transmission.
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