This should help make some of you crazy geniuses feel justified

Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:27:21 -0500

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http://jom-emit.cfpm.org/1997/vol1/preti_a&miotto_p.html

sample paragraph:

Highly creative "normals" also tend towards over inclusive or
"allusive" thinking and, as pointed out by Albert Rothenberg [20],
demonstrate a capacity to conceive and utilize two or more opposite or
contradictory ideas or concepts simultaneously, without being disturbed
by this simultaneity of opposition, as is also the case with
schizophrenics. It seems that creative individuals, like
schizophrenics, are subject to a widening of selective attention, which
makes them more aware of and receptive to experience, with more
intensive sampling of environmental stimuli [9, 19]. In fact ideational
fluency and a preference for complex and asymmetrical designs, two of
the main factors contributing to creativity, could derive from higher
levels of arousal and faster stimulation of discrete cerebral areas.
Schizophrenic thought processes tend to allow unusual associations
which result in over inclusive thinking, with many irrelevant elements
being included in reasoning: this peculiar style of thought is assumed
to derive from a failure in the filtering of stimuli by dysfunctional
gating systems [3, 18]. Creative individuals, conversely, may gain
advantage from higher levels of associative thinking, since they are
capable of effectively processing these increased inputs without the
risk of cognitive overload. Since to create consists essentially of the
making of new combinations of associative elements [3], any ability
which serves to bring together otherwise remote ideas will facilitate a
creative solution [9, 17]. The favouring of associations implies an
extended knowledge of the argument under study (memory of ideas to be
associated) and a restriction of inhibitory influences on stimulation
of remote cerebral areas. The more associations evoked by an element,
the more likely it is that another element will be combined with it in
a manageable form. Since inhibition or suppression (by anxiety or other
more powerful competitory stimuli) would limit awareness and openness
to both internal and external stimuli, freedom from these forces would
favour associative thinking, and so creativity.

and suchlike yakkery

--
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(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
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Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:09:51 -0800

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:27:21 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
wrote:

>http://jom-emit.cfpm.org/1997/vol1/preti_a&miotto_p.html
>
>sample paragraph:
>
>
>Highly creative "normals" also tend towards over inclusive or
>"allusive" thinking and, as pointed out by Albert Rothenberg [20],
>demonstrate a capacity to conceive and utilize two or more opposite or
>contradictory ideas or concepts simultaneously, without being disturbed
>by this simultaneity of opposition, as is also the case with
>schizophrenics. It seems that creative individuals, like
>schizophrenics, are subject to a widening of selective attention, which
>makes them more aware of and receptive to experience, with more
>intensive sampling of environmental stimuli [9, 19]. In fact ideational
>fluency and a preference for complex and asymmetrical designs, two of
>the main factors contributing to creativity, could derive from higher
>levels of arousal and faster stimulation of discrete cerebral areas.
>Schizophrenic thought processes tend to allow unusual associations
>which result in over inclusive thinking, with many irrelevant elements
>being included in reasoning: this peculiar style of thought is assumed
>to derive from a failure in the filtering of stimuli by dysfunctional
>gating systems [3, 18]. Creative individuals, conversely, may gain
>advantage from higher levels of associative thinking, since they are
>capable of effectively processing these increased inputs without the
>risk of cognitive overload. Since to create consists essentially of the
>making of new combinations of associative elements [3], any ability
>which serves to bring together otherwise remote ideas will facilitate a
>creative solution [9, 17]. The favouring of associations implies an
>extended knowledge of the argument under study (memory of ideas to be
>associated) and a restriction of inhibitory influences on stimulation
>of remote cerebral areas. The more associations evoked by an element,
>the more likely it is that another element will be combined with it in
>a manageable form. Since inhibition or suppression (by anxiety or other
>more powerful competitory stimuli) would limit awareness and openness
>to both internal and external stimuli, freedom from these forces would
>favour associative thinking, and so creativity.
>
>and suchlike yakkery

So, if you think a lot and it doesn't make sense, you're crazy, but if
you think a lot and it makes sense then you're a genius.

I wonder how much they pay guys like that.

--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
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Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:54:07 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:27:21 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
> wrote:
>
>>http://jom-emit.cfpm.org/1997/vol1/preti_a&miotto_p.html
>>
>>sample paragraph:
>>
>>
>>Highly creative "normals" also tend towards over inclusive or
>>"allusive" thinking and, as pointed out by Albert Rothenberg [20],
>>demonstrate a capacity to conceive and utilize two or more opposite or
>>contradictory ideas or concepts simultaneously, without being disturbed
>>by this simultaneity of opposition, as is also the case with
>>schizophrenics. It seems that creative individuals, like
>>schizophrenics, are subject to a widening of selective attention, which
>>makes them more aware of and receptive to experience, with more
>>intensive sampling of environmental stimuli [9, 19]. In fact ideational
>>fluency and a preference for complex and asymmetrical designs, two of
>>the main factors contributing to creativity, could derive from higher
>>levels of arousal and faster stimulation of discrete cerebral areas.
>>Schizophrenic thought processes tend to allow unusual associations
>>which result in over inclusive thinking, with many irrelevant elements
>>being included in reasoning: this peculiar style of thought is assumed
>>to derive from a failure in the filtering of stimuli by dysfunctional
>>gating systems [3, 18]. Creative individuals, conversely, may gain
>>advantage from higher levels of associative thinking, since they are
>>capable of effectively processing these increased inputs without the
>>risk of cognitive overload. Since to create consists essentially of the
>>making of new combinations of associative elements [3], any ability
>>which serves to bring together otherwise remote ideas will facilitate a
>>creative solution [9, 17]. The favouring of associations implies an
>>extended knowledge of the argument under study (memory of ideas to be
>>associated) and a restriction of inhibitory influences on stimulation
>>of remote cerebral areas. The more associations evoked by an element,
>>the more likely it is that another element will be combined with it in
>>a manageable form. Since inhibition or suppression (by anxiety or other
>>more powerful competitory stimuli) would limit awareness and openness
>>to both internal and external stimuli, freedom from these forces would
>>favour associative thinking, and so creativity.
>>
>>and suchlike yakkery
>
>So, if you think a lot and it doesn't make sense, you're crazy, but if
>you think a lot and it makes sense then you're a genius.
>
>I wonder how much they pay guys like that.

Bwahwahahahahahah!
$30!
putz!

Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:43:29 -0700

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What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they have to compare creativity
to Schizophrenia? Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy! I've
had to put up with this shit my whole damned life! Every schizo I've known
was not at all creative. They all have the same stories: I am God. I am a
powerful person but nobody knows it. I am being followed by someone and
spied on and getting shit implanted in me: because I am a powerful person
and nobody knows it. I have great god-like or mystical powers. That's it,
it's always the same old rotating crap, like a broken record of self-deceit
based on having no self-esteem whatsoever. Whereas I, as a creative person,
can paint stuff or write stuff that blows everyone's minds, pink and yeti
and schizos alike. That's because I am God, I am really important and nobody
knows it and I have great mystical powers, which is why you are ALL spying
on me!

Archimandrite Pudlevitcz

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:07:05 -0700

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angelicusrex wrote:
>
> What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they
> have to compare creativity to Schizophrenia?
> Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy!

Probably because the schizophrenics think they are
artistic, and the artists and artist-pretenders try
to persuade everybody that they are schizophrenic,
because it is trendy.

--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet

Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:14:02 -0500

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In article <41E68089.5D61@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
wrote:

> angelicusrex wrote:
> >
> > What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they
> > have to compare creativity to Schizophrenia?
> > Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy!
>
> Probably because the schizophrenics think they are
> artistic, and the artists and artist-pretenders try
> to persuade everybody that they are schizophrenic,
> because it is trendy.

This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
TIME?

This question comes up at every X-Day Drill at Brushwood.

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB

Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:22:44 GMT

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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>In article <41E68089.5D61@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
> wrote:
>
>> angelicusrex wrote:
>> >
>> > What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they
>> > have to compare creativity to Schizophrenia?
>> > Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy!
>>
>> Probably because the schizophrenics think they are
>> artistic, and the artists and artist-pretenders try
>> to persuade everybody that they are schizophrenic,
>> because it is trendy.
>
>This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
>schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
>TIME?

3 grams of vitamin B-3? 1,000mcg of B-12? I dunno! Serotonin?

Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:27:39 -0600

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:22:44 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
wrote:

>"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>>In article <41E68089.5D61@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
>> wrote:
>>
>>> angelicusrex wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they
>>> > have to compare creativity to Schizophrenia?
>>> > Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy!
>>>
>>> Probably because the schizophrenics think they are
>>> artistic, and the artists and artist-pretenders try
>>> to persuade everybody that they are schizophrenic,
>>> because it is trendy.
>>
>>This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
>>schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
>>TIME?
>
> 3 grams of vitamin B-3? 1,000mcg of B-12? I dunno! Serotonin?

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Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:37:55 -0800

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:27:39 -0600, HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:22:44 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> wrote:
>
>>"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>>>In article <41E68089.5D61@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> angelicusrex wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they
>>>> > have to compare creativity to Schizophrenia?
>>>> > Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy!
>>>>
>>>> Probably because the schizophrenics think they are
>>>> artistic, and the artists and artist-pretenders try
>>>> to persuade everybody that they are schizophrenic,
>>>> because it is trendy.
>>>
>>>This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
>>>schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
>>>TIME?
>>
>> 3 grams of vitamin B-3? 1,000mcg of B-12? I dunno! Serotonin?
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>Do you have the power to create romance?
>
>Do you know your passion index?
>
>What is your charm? If link doesn't work, cut and paste
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Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:30:39 -0700

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> Mental Health Test
>
> Question 1: Please speak clearly and enunciate your words. Nobody
> can understand a word you say.

Answer: Yeah? Well fuck you too.

> Question 2: Why are you so stand-offish? Is it because of your
> difficulty speaking?

Answer: No, it's because you smell like stale whiskey. Do you have a
drinking problem, doc?

> Question 3: You don't need to be so defensive. I'm just trying to be
> helpful.

Answer: Really? Well help me the fuck out of this strait jacket, wise ass!

> Question 4: Yes you are

Answer: What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you taking your own drugs? that
wasn't even a fucking question! And they call me crazy?

> Question 5: This isn't a contest. There is no right or wrong answer.

Answer: Well then fuck you, Doc. You are all fucking wrong in here!

> Question 6: Why do you mention your mother? Do you think about your
> mother a lot?

Answer: You don't get it, I said your mother sucked my dick last night and
swallowed. What part of "your mother's a worthless whore" don't you
understand?

> Question 7: Why not? Does your mother make you uncomfortable?
> Answer on a scale of one to ten.

Answer: One point go fuck yourself.

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> "your mother is coming to castrate you"

Answer: Again?

> Question 9: SPEAK UP DAMMIT

Answer: I said FUCK YOU!!!! AGAIN!!!

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> form of a tree.

Answer: A fucking Money Tree!

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> were nice enough to it? Did you take care of it? Don't answer that
> question, just think about it.

Answer: Oh, brother! They actually pay you to come up with this shit?

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> help me help you. Answer on a scale of one to ten.

Answer: ...

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Answer: Why, Doc? You hot for my body?

> Question 14: Do sudden noises frighten you?

Answer: I don't know, did you just fart?

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Correspondent:: Phin
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:32:34 GMT

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:14:02 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
wrote:

>This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
>schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
>TIME?
>
>This question comes up at every X-Day Drill at Brushwood.

The answer is in the former case it's all in their brain, in the
latter case, it's all in their head.

I don't know what this means exactly, but it sounds kinda good.

Schizophrenia is kind of like pornography. One can't exactly define
it, but you know it when you see it.

-=-Phin

Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:39:01 GMT

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In article <4l8du090rhongege3pantifloci2gtif09@4ax.com>,
Phin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:14:02 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
> wrote:
>
> >This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
> >schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
> >TIME? This question comes up at every X-Day Drill at Brushwood.

I think its defined by how much money and Hour-of-Slack-usable goods
they provide the Church, versus how much they just pester Stang for
"Bob's" home phone number. There IS a crossover point with some, but its
usually at the cusp of whether or not Legume ties you to a tree and
leaves a mai tai glass sticking out of yer ass.

> The answer is in the former case it's all in their brain, in the
> latter case, it's all in their head.
> I don't know what this means exactly, but it sounds kinda good.

Oh, that's an excellent way to put it. Spot-on, doktor, good show!

> Schizophrenia is kind of like pornography. One can't exactly define
> it, but you know it when you see it.

Well, we see PLENTY of it on here, so its less hard to define than you
might think. The thing is, defining it doesn't bring you any closer to
getting a mai tai. Besides, the insane don't really need to drink; you
just can't improve in a sufficient level of Imp-erfection. Blorp.

--

HellPope Huey
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and I realize I'm listening to it."
- George Carlin

Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0800

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Phin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:14:02 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
> wrote:
>
> >This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
> >schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
> >TIME?
> >
> >This question comes up at every X-Day Drill at Brushwood.
>
> The answer is in the former case it's all in their brain, in the
> latter case, it's all in their head.
>
> I don't know what this means exactly, but it sounds kinda good.

I agree. There is no difference between a person pretending to be
insane and a person who is insane because people who are insane
sometimes believe they are only pretending to be insane, for their own protection.

Correspondent:: Phin
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:11:43 GMT

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0800, nenslo wrote:

>Phin wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:14:02 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
>> >schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
>> >TIME?
>> >
>> >This question comes up at every X-Day Drill at Brushwood.
>>
>> The answer is in the former case it's all in their brain, in the
>> latter case, it's all in their head.
>>
>> I don't know what this means exactly, but it sounds kinda good.
>
>I agree. There is no difference between a person pretending to be
>insane and a person who is insane because people who are insane
>sometimes believe they are only pretending to be insane, for their own protection.

So Klinger on M*A*S*H WAS actually nuts and deserved a Section 8.

As for me, I wonder if I'm insane almost constantly. My friend Al told
me this is a sign of madness. Also, I was told that if your irises
don't touch the bottom of your eyes, this is said to be a sign of
madness. But I think it depends on how you're holding your head.
That's where that glowering 'Stanley Kubrick' look comes from.

-=-Phin

Correspondent:: "Giles"
Date: 13 Jan 2005 21:35:27 -0800

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Phin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>
> >Phin wrote:
> >>

> Also, I was told that if your irises
> don't touch the bottom of your eyes, this is said to be a sign of
> madness.
>
.When you try to pull your fucking eyeballs out of your skull, that's a
pretty good sign, too.
(Not you, phin, but I've seen this done.)

Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:08:04 -0600

Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:31:15 -0600

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:14:02 -0500, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
wrote:

>In article <41E68089.5D61@succeeds.com>, nu-monet v7.0
> wrote:
>
>> angelicusrex wrote:
>> >
>> > What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they
>> > have to compare creativity to Schizophrenia?
>> > Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy!
>>
>> Probably because the schizophrenics think they are
>> artistic, and the artists and artist-pretenders try
>> to persuade everybody that they are schizophrenic,
>> because it is trendy.
>
>This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
>schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
>TIME?
>
>This question comes up at every X-Day Drill at Brushwood.

Hmm. It might have to with the degree of percieved significance that
the schizophrenic attributes to interior or exterior stimuli that
interferes with how they think and therefore makes a huge impact on
whether they can lead a functional life.

The weird part is, that a lot of people can be crazy but function
fairly good. But the weird response to stimuli can manifest in certain
areas of the person's life socially, sexually, or whatever.

Can you imagine how fucked up your life would be if you attributed
say, the color blue, super significance whether positive or negative?
The color blue might make someone aggressive, illiciting a fight or
flight response or might make a person feel that they were being
talked to by GOD. The magnitude to which the individual attributes
significance to the stimuli would illicit the same magnitude of
behavior.

For example, if an individual attributed a great deal of significance
to say, the number 4, and someone appeared to attack that perception
the sick person would over respond with fear, or aggression or need to
CONVINCE the other person of why the stimuli is so world
encompassingly significant. If they're really sick they'll freak and
possibly get dangerous.

Eccentric or creative types have pet stimuli too, but they tend not to
take them too personally or seriously. If you are one of the lucky
ones the color blue is not out to GET you it's out to just sort of
tease you.

Salacia

Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:48:43 +1100

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> This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
> schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
> TIME?

one of them has the option of stopping. yes, ha ha. schizophrenia is
very funny, unless you or a close loved one has it and you have to deal
with it.

Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:58:29 -0500

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> This raises the question: what's the dif between somebody who really IS
> schizophrenic, and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic ALL THE
> TIME?

A: Nothing. Brain Chemistry *is* behavior.

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:35:48 -0700

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Revi Shankar wrote:
>
> > This raises the question: what's the dif
> > between somebody who really IS schizophrenic,
> > and somebody who PRETENDS to be schizophrenic
> > ALL THE TIME?
>
> A: Nothing. Brain Chemistry *is* behavior.

Not entirely. In this case, schizophrenia causes
physical deterioration of the neural tissues,
which is why it is often a fatal disease.

Chemistry is also deceptive, as such. With perhaps
some two hundred known brain chemicals, the
interactivity with environment and genetic factors
is obvious. Stress, for example, causes changes
in neurochemistry. Alcohol is the hands-down
winner for altering the most brain chemicals of any
known substance or other factor. Poisons, toxins,
gases, allergens, and foods also cause noteworthy
changes.

Brain chemicals are also highly interactive with
hormones, the 50 or so liver chemicals, the nervous
system and the immunological system.

Chemicals are also just part of the mechanism of
brain action. Wide variation of many of these
chemicals can occur without significantly impairing
mental function, as long as the underlying tissues
are functional. Impairment may only occur after a
considerable length of time.

Last but not least, the organizational structure of
the brain, how the hard wiring developed, strongly
determines your actions, experiences, and
interpretations of events. Think of the difficulty
in pronouncing certain letters of the alphabet for
some people raised in other cultures.

--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet

Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:20:41 GMT

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In article <41E74C24.C9@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:

> Chemistry is also deceptive, as such. With perhaps
> some two hundred known brain chemicals, the
> interactivity with environment and genetic factors
> is obvious. Stress, for example, causes changes
> in neurochemistry. Alcohol is the hands-down
> winner for altering the most brain chemicals of any
> known substance or other factor. Poisons, toxins,
> gases, allergens, and foods also cause noteworthy
> changes.
>
> Brain chemicals are also highly interactive with
> hormones, the 50 or so liver chemicals, the nervous
> system and the immunological system.
>
> Chemicals are also just part of the mechanism of
> brain action. Wide variation of many of these
> chemicals can occur without significantly impairing
> mental function, as long as the underlying tissues
> are functional. Impairment may only occur after a
> considerable length of time.
>
> Last but not least, the organizational structure of
> the brain, how the hard wiring developed, strongly
> determines your actions, experiences, and
> interpretations of events. Think of the difficulty
> in pronouncing certain letters of the alphabet for
> some people raised in other cultures.

>It stressed the "negative effects" of long hair on
>"human intelligence development", noting that long
> hair "consumes a great deal of nutrition" and could
> thus rob the brain of energy.
>
> That would explain why there are so many evil
> scientists and mad geniuses with bald heads. I
> always wondererd about that. Nice to see I am
> getting smarter and smarter as I get older. If I
> lose any more hair, I can probably figure out that
> death ray thing.

Stop talking like a genius instead of a crank or you're going to get
kicked out. Fuck you, in every hole, duct, pore and vessel. That
includes your dendrites, Mr. Wizard. That should be a neat-o film, like
some twisted other-dimensional porno, but still with the bad
whicka-whicka bomp-bomp guitar track. May the ghost of Eva Braun
squat over your face every night and make pig noises.

Sorry, shitty day. I'll be better tomorrow. Oh no, I won't.

--

HellPope Huey
"Crapocalypse Now," currently playing
in Baghdad, Utah, Ceylon, New Yawk,
Calipornia, Warshington, Usenet and your pants

"Why are these southern-fried hags
having a bitch-fest on my pay-per-view?"
- "Father of the Pride"

"I'm always relieved when I hear a eulogy
and I realize I'm listening to it."
- George Carlin

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:00:41 -0700

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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> Stop talking like a genius instead of a
> crank or you're going to get kicked out.

That's just your brain chemicals talking.

--
"Money can't buy you happiness,
but when you're poor, you can't
buy shit, and nobody will loan
you happiness."
--nu-monet

Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:24:03 GMT

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In article <41E7D089.3DA8@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> >
> > Stop talking like a genius instead of a
> > crank or you're going to get kicked out.
>
> That's just your brain chemicals talking.

Yeah, the bastards filibuster until I can barely make it to the store
to buy a plastic replacement Jesus for the one I stomped to pieces when
I lost the ebay auction for a bigger one.

--

HellPope Huey
"You can't go out to play today, kids;
the Giant Flea Alert Level is at Orange."

"They say Democracy
is how we choose the guy who takes the blame."
- "The West Wing"

"Oh, the goddamned irony
that courses through the popular culture
like a cancer.
If nothing is serious anymore,
there's nothing left to satirize."
- Berkeley Breathed,
creator of "Bloom County"

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:50:04 -0700

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HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> Yeah, the bastards filibuster until I can
> barely make it to the store to buy a plastic
> replacement Jesus for the one I stomped to
> pieces when I lost the ebay auction for a
> bigger one.
>

You know, someday, Jesus is going to punish you
by tying you across the hood of a '74 Chevy and
whipping you with a car aerial.

If it's at all possible, try to have a friend get
it all on videotape. You could sell it on Ebay
or something.

--
"YOU BELONG TO US NOW!"
"GET DOWN WITH MY SICKNESS!!"

--Kino Beman, brand name

Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:52:31 GMT

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In article <41E8145C.1C33@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, the bastards filibuster until I can
> > barely make it to the store to buy a plastic
> > replacement Jesus for the one I stomped to
> > pieces when I lost the ebay auction for a
> > bigger one.
> >
> You know, someday, Jesus is going to punish you
> by tying you across the hood of a '74 Chevy and
> whipping you with a car aerial.
> If it's at all possible, try to have a friend get
> it all on videotape. You could sell it on Ebay
> or something.

Call Mel Gibson. If you'll keep it to no more than 30 whacks, he might
donate a camera for a few hours. He'll masturbate to the rushes, of
course, but hey, money's money. I can take 30 lashes standing on your
head.

--

HellPope Huey
"You can't go out to play today, kids;
the Giant Flea Alert Level is at Orange."

"They say Democracy
is how we choose the guy who takes the blame."
- "The West Wing"

"Oh, the goddamned irony
that courses through the popular culture
like a cancer.
If nothing is serious anymore,
there's nothing left to satirize."
- Berkeley Breathed,
creator of "Bloom County"

Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:07:41 -0500

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In article <34mcjfF4f2080U1@individual.net>, angelicusrex
wrote:

> What the fuck is it with the Pinks? Why do they have to compare creativity
> to Schizophrenia? Every Pink thinks all creative geniuses are crazy! I've
> had to put up with this shit my whole damned life! Every schizo I've known
> was not at all creative. They all have the same stories: I am God. I am a
> powerful person but nobody knows it. I am being followed by someone and
> spied on and getting shit implanted in me: because I am a powerful person
> and nobody knows it. I have great god-like or mystical powers. That's it,
> it's always the same old rotating crap, like a broken record of self-deceit
> based on having no self-esteem whatsoever.

The ones with a little self-esteem decide they're "Bob."

>Whereas I, as a creative person,
> can paint stuff or write stuff that blows everyone's minds, pink and yeti
> and schizos alike. That's because I am God, I am really important and nobody
> knows it and I have great mystical powers, which is why you are ALL spying
> on me!
>

Eggs Ackly.

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB

Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:26:20 GMT

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In article <34mcjfF4f2080U1@individual.net>,
"angelicusrex" wrote:

> I am God, I am really important and nobody
> knows it and I have great mystical powers, which is why you are ALL spying
> on me!

You really need to buy some new underwear; that old stuff is about down
to being just elastic bands now and most unsightly. If you are God, you
owe us a more enriching spying experience. You made us, so cough up
better goods, ya old fart.

--

HellPope Huey
"Crapocalypse Now," currently playing
in Baghdad, Utah, Ceylon, New Yawk,
Calipornia, Warshington, Usenet and your pants

"Why are these southern-fried hags
having a bitch-fest on my pay-per-view?"
- "Father of the Pride"

"I'm always relieved when I hear a eulogy
and I realize I'm listening to it."
- George Carlin

Correspondent:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:01:26 -0700

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See! I knew you were spying on me! Dammit! Just wait until the space aliens
enthrone me in my regal garb of the planet Krapton! then you'll see some
underwear boyeeeee! I'll be the emperor of this backwater planet and
revealed as the Supreme Being. As an emperor of course I will need some new
clothes! Fetch me my tailor! Meanwhile, for your amusement I will try to do
some performance art in my bathtub like that chick in the URL someone sent
with the hershey squirts! That should give you freaks a chuckle!

Archimandrite Pudlevitcz

Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 14 Jan 2005 13:25:02 GMT

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"angelicusrex" wrote in
news:34ojv0F4ecpemU1@individual.net:

> See! I knew you were spying on me! Dammit! Just wait until the space
> aliens enthrone me in my regal garb of the planet Krapton! then you'll
> see some underwear boyeeeee! I'll be the emperor of this backwater
> planet and revealed as the Supreme Being. As an emperor of course I will
> need some new clothes! Fetch me my tailor! Meanwhile, for your amusement
> I will try to do some performance art in my bathtub like that chick in
> the URL someone sent with the hershey squirts! That should give you
> freaks a chuckle!
>
> Archimandrite Pudlevitcz
>

Thanks a boatload. You just put me off my Quaker Instant Grits for the next
few days.

--
12th Epochalyptic Omniversal MegaFisTemple Dungeon of The Church of Our
Lady of Perpetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM

"Oh give me a hoooome, where the buffalo roam, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A HOUSE
THAT STINKS TO HELL!!!"
-- DJ Epoch

Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:58:06 GMT

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"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>http://jom-emit.cfpm.org/1997/vol1/preti_a&miotto_p.html
>
>sample paragraph:
>
>
>Highly creative "normals" also tend towards over inclusive or
>"allusive" thinking and, as pointed out by Albert Rothenberg [20],
>demonstrate a capacity to conceive and utilize two or more opposite or
>contradictory ideas or concepts simultaneously, without being disturbed
>by this simultaneity of opposition, as is also the case with
>schizophrenics. It seems that creative individuals, like
>schizophrenics, are subject to a widening of selective attention, which
>makes them more aware of and receptive to experience, with more
>intensive sampling of environmental stimuli [9, 19]. In fact ideational
>fluency and a preference for complex and asymmetrical designs, two of
>the main factors contributing to creativity, could derive from higher
>levels of arousal and faster stimulation of discrete cerebral areas.
>Schizophrenic thought processes tend to allow unusual associations
>which result in over inclusive thinking, with many irrelevant elements
>being included in reasoning: this peculiar style of thought is assumed
>to derive from a failure in the filtering of stimuli by dysfunctional
>gating systems [3, 18]. Creative individuals, conversely, may gain
>advantage from higher levels of associative thinking, since they are
>capable of effectively processing these increased inputs without the
>risk of cognitive overload. Since to create consists essentially of the
>making of new combinations of associative elements [3], any ability
>which serves to bring together otherwise remote ideas will facilitate a
>creative solution [9, 17]. The favouring of associations implies an
>extended knowledge of the argument under study (memory of ideas to be
>associated) and a restriction of inhibitory influences on stimulation
>of remote cerebral areas. The more associations evoked by an element,
>the more likely it is that another element will be combined with it in
>a manageable form. Since inhibition or suppression (by anxiety or other
>more powerful competitory stimuli) would limit awareness and openness
>to both internal and external stimuli, freedom from these forces would
>favour associative thinking, and so creativity.
>
>and suchlike yakkery
>

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Correspondent:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:49:53 -0500

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http://www.createsomething.net/quotes/insanity.html

Crazy people who are productive are geniuses. Crazy people who are rich
are eccentric. But crazy people who are neither productive nor rich are
just crazy.

Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.

Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.

We never really grow up.. we just learn how to act in public.

I'm not insane, I'm going sane in an insane world!
-Jill Morrisson

I'm no lunatic, man! I'm a sane man fighting for his soul!
-R.H. Renfield

The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
- Salvador Dali

--
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc.
(4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected, Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com PRABOB

Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:51:36 -0700

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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> http://www.createsomething.net/quotes/insanity.html
>
> Crazy people who are productive are geniuses. Crazy
> people who are rich are eccentric. But crazy people
> who are neither productive nor rich are just crazy.
>
> Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
>
> Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
>
> We never really grow up.. we just learn how to act in public.
>
> I'm not insane, I'm going sane in an insane world!
> -Jill Morrisson
>
> I'm no lunatic, man! I'm a sane man fighting for his soul!
> -R.H. Renfield
>
> The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
> - Salvador Dali
>

The Earth is round? Why, that's insane!
-- A shitload of people going way back

--
"YOU BELONG TO US NOW!"
"GET DOWN WITH MY SICKNESS!!"

--Kino Beman, brand name

Correspondent:: Phin
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:07:10 GMT

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>Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>>
>> http://www.createsomething.net/quotes/insanity.html
>>
>> Crazy people who are productive are geniuses. Crazy
>> people who are rich are eccentric. But crazy people
>> who are neither productive nor rich are just crazy.
>>
>> Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
>>
>> Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
>>
>> We never really grow up.. we just learn how to act in public.
>>
>> I'm not insane, I'm going sane in an insane world!
>> -Jill Morrisson
>>
>> I'm no lunatic, man! I'm a sane man fighting for his soul!
>> -R.H. Renfield
>>
>> The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
>> - Salvador Dali
>>

"In a crazy world, it's only your INSANITY that will keep you sane!"
-=-Leo Buscaglia