Vampire Stuff
Posted by:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:23:50 -0700
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A few practicalities to being a Dracula-like vampire.
That is, a humanoid that can reasonably pass as a human
in most circumstances.
1) Fangs have to be shaped something like a fluted
bayonet, to create tissue damage such that the holes
don't immediately try to close, being made in the tough
tissue of the artery or vein.
2) People have about 4 quarts of blood. If the puncture
wounds are to the main neck artery, the most that would
pump out would be 2-3 quarts, under ideal circumstances,
before the blood pressure dropped so low that no more
would exit the holes. Sucking wouldn't work, as even in
a near vacuum, the blood vessels would just collapse.
3) If the puncture is veinous, only 1-2 quarts of blood
could be obtained through blood pressure.
4) It is very difficult to drink with your face pointing
down and your mouth open. The most you could probably
swallow at once in such a position is 1/4 cup. This would
mean that the vampire would have to swallow 32 to 48
swallows to get all the blood out of a person they could.
A good simulation of difficulty would be a squeezed gallon
plastic bag filled with water and a couple of holes, with
your head in a similar position. Much would be lost due
to spillage.
5) It is also very difficult to drink more than a quart
of liquid in a short time. But assuming that 2-3 quarts
of blood could be consumed rapidly, you would uptake about
20-30 grams of salt, with 2.4 grams/day seen as the
maximum amount that should be consumed. Excess saline and
water are usually eliminated through urine, but such an
extreme amount of sodium in animals such as seagulls is
excreted also in tears and feces.
6) Vampire feces would look very black, due to the digested
or decomposed bilirubin, and would have a whitish salt crust.
Vampires pallor could be attributed to sweating large amounts
of salt, making their skin look white or yellowish, and
powdery. In warm, dry weather, their clothing would be
noticeably stained with salt residue.
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Posted by:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:01:54 GMT
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In article <42449D86.2909@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> A few practicalities to being a Dracula-like vampire.
> That is, a humanoid that can reasonably pass as a human
> in most circumstances.
..................
> 6) Vampire feces would look very black, due to the digested
> or decomposed bilirubin, and would have a whitish salt crust.
> Vampires pallor could be attributed to sweating large amounts
> of salt, making their skin look white or yellowish, and
> powdery. In warm, dry weather, their clothing would be
> noticeably stained with salt residue.
You sure know how to put a man right off his bear claw.
--
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Posted by:: "Giles"
Date: 25 Mar 2005 21:41:50 -0800
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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> A few practicalities to being a Dracula-like vampire.
> That is, a humanoid that can reasonably pass as a human
> in most circumstances.
>
> 1) Fangs have to be shaped something like a fluted
> bayonet, to create tissue damage such that the holes
> don't immediately try to close, being made in the tough
> tissue of the artery or vein.
>
> 2) People have about 4 quarts of blood. If the puncture
> wounds are to the main neck artery, the most that would
> pump out would be 2-3 quarts, under ideal circumstances,
> before the blood pressure dropped so low that no more
> would exit the holes. Sucking wouldn't work, as even in
> a near vacuum, the blood vessels would just collapse.
>
> 3) If the puncture is veinous, only 1-2 quarts of blood
> could be obtained through blood pressure.
>
> 4) It is very difficult to drink with your face pointing
> down and your mouth open. The most you could probably
> swallow at once in such a position is 1/4 cup. This would
> mean that the vampire would have to swallow 32 to 48
> swallows to get all the blood out of a person they could.
> A good simulation of difficulty would be a squeezed gallon
> plastic bag filled with water and a couple of holes, with
> your head in a similar position. Much would be lost due
> to spillage.
>
> 5) It is also very difficult to drink more than a quart
> of liquid in a short time. But assuming that 2-3 quarts
> of blood could be consumed rapidly, you would uptake about
> 20-30 grams of salt, with 2.4 grams/day seen as the
> maximum amount that should be consumed. Excess saline and
> water are usually eliminated through urine, but such an
> extreme amount of sodium in animals such as seagulls is
> excreted also in tears and feces.
>
> 6) Vampire feces would look very black, due to the digested
> or decomposed bilirubin, and would have a whitish salt crust.
> Vampires pallor could be attributed to sweating large amounts
> of salt, making their skin look white or yellowish, and
> powdery. In warm, dry weather, their clothing would be
> noticeably stained with salt residue.
>
>
I will have to watch "The Night Flyer" again.
Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:00:06 -0700
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>A few practicalities to being a Dracula-like vampire.
> That is, a humanoid that can reasonably pass as a human
> in most circumstances.
Having recently published a 760 page novel on Dracula entitled: Blood of the
Dragon, I consider myself somewhat of an expert on vampires. As I did
fifteen years of research.
#1. Dracula is the Undead. He is more a spiritual being than a living being.
His pallor is due to the fact that he is represented as a walking corpse.
Therefore nature and its laws do not apply. He would not shit or sweat or
even breath. He does not "drink or suck blood, so much as consume it and the
person's soul into his being sometimes through the mouth, other times just
from the spilled blood. Most often he does not "poke the neck" with his
"fangs. He either rips your head off and drinks from the stump, or tears
your throat out. Bram Stoker notwithstanding. If you read Stoker you'll note
Dracula drains his victims by such slow degrees that often they will recover
if left unabused. He does not drink them dry of blood. He drinks enough so
that their blood pressure is so low, they succumb to death by virtue of
collapsed veins and arteries. Before doing so he often infuses them with his
own vampiric blood, turning them into vessels of his own will.
#2. Vampires are like poltergeists, they try to use fear and terror or
intense rage to provoke others to an emotional state. It is really the
emotions they are living on, the life of the person, not the blood. It is
the horror of having one's blood let, even willingly, that produces shock
and later death.
#3. Much blood would be lost due to spillage, but the vampiric body absorbs
the blood. Because "The blood is the life!"
#4. Read my book. You can get it through iUniverse.com.
Thanks
Angelicus Rex
Posted by:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:14:49 -0700
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angelicusrex wrote:
>
> >A few practicalities to being a Dracula-like vampire.
> > That is, a humanoid that can reasonably pass as a human
> > in most circumstances.
>
> Having recently published a 760 page novel on Dracula
> entitled: Blood of the Dragon, I consider myself somewhat
> of an expert on vampires. As I did fifteen years of
> research.
I should not have used the "Dracula-like vampire"
expression. I'm supposing some natural-like creature
that fits known paradigms of hemovorism and obeys the
laws of nature.
Since there are no such thing as farcical living dead
critters, a better description would be either a human
suffering from some physical or mental illness that
resulted in their trying to drink the blood of others;
a person who supplements their diet by drinking the
blood of others, much like some of the Masai tribe mix
cow blood and milk as a drink; some true mutation of a
human who again only supplements their diet by drinking
blood, there not being enough nutrition in an exclusive
blood diet to support a large animal; or some human-
carnivore that both eats parts of people and drinks
their blood, though only as a consequence of eating
them.
As to the latter case, if you don't mind eating tissue,
but you want to eat considerable blood, you would most
likely try to eat the lungs, which at any given time have
a high percentage of the bodies' blood in them. It would
be far more efficient than relying on either the heart to
pump out their blood or trying to suck it out.
That might make an interesting image, though. Some
monster that slices the front of your chest, cracking
your sternum, then pries apart your rib cage, which
needs two hands, while at the same time severing and
removing your lungs. So it would help to have four arms.
If you're going to go that route, it would be easier to
have a jawless fish mouth, like a lamprey, so you could
just latch on to their abdominal soft tissue and then
suck out their intestinal organs.
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Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:52:55 -0700
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
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> angelicusrex wrote:
>>
>> >A few practicalities to being a Dracula-like vampire.
>> > That is, a humanoid that can reasonably pass as a human
>> > in most circumstances.
>>
>> Having recently published a 760 page novel on Dracula
>> entitled: Blood of the Dragon, I consider myself somewhat
>> of an expert on vampires. As I did fifteen years of
>> research.
>
> I should not have used the "Dracula-like vampire"
> expression. I'm supposing some natural-like creature
> that fits known paradigms of hemovorism and obeys the
> laws of nature.
>
> Since there are no such thing as farcical living dead
> critters,
Actually vampires do exist. They are a type of ghost. And they can kill. But
there are not many of them being "made" any more, since a person has to die
in a nearly insane rage. (Nenslo's name here.)
> a better description would be either a human
> suffering from some physical or mental illness that
> resulted in their trying to drink the blood of others;
Blood is pretty easy to drink or eat. However it would probably eventually
cause too high of an iron content in the person doing the drinking.
Eventually infections would arise. Also of course...no roughage! So their
stool would be too loose and yes, black. If they did try to live on nothing
but blood the huge amounts of sodium in the plasma would probably kill them.
But then, vampire bats do it. So it can be done.
> That might make an interesting image, though. Some
> monster that slices the front of your chest, cracking
> your sternum, then pries apart your rib cage, which
> needs two hands, while at the same time severing and
> removing your lungs. So it would help to have four arms.
Yes...but the lungs would have to be eaten, because trying to just drain the
blood from them, due to the huge amount of capillaries, would be difficult.
However, served up hot with a nice brown gravy, made from the blood, would
be delicious!
>
> If you're going to go that route, it would be easier to
> have a jawless fish mouth, like a lamprey, so you could
> just latch on to their abdominal soft tissue and then
> suck out their intestinal organs.
Some vampires in older literature are indeed portrayed with lamprey like, or
leech like mouths.
A.R.
Posted by:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:38:18 -0700
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angelicusrex wrote:
>
> Actually vampires do exist. They are a type of ghost.
> And they can kill.
Okay, being so up on the literature has raised a
real, as opposed to a snarky, question:
Are there references to an energy-consuming, as opposed
to a flesh and/or blood consuming vampire that can do
large groups of people at once. As in, deplete an
entire area, say a town, all at once? Or conversely,
a group of vampires who would do this as a group.
Positing such a creature, I would wonder if it would
operate on the ground, or need to be elevated above the
area at the time. Plus, if it would kill, or just
reduce the energy level of the place.
Lastly, would it do so on its own, or use some type of
energy-draining anomaly to do the depletion, and just
parasite off of the process, as in opening a window to
some energy-sucking reality and try to uptake energy as
it is pulled into the other reality?
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Posted by:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:07:22 GMT
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In article <42476E1A.72FA@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> Okay, being so up on the literature has raised a
> real, as opposed to a snarky, question:
>
> Are there references to an energy-consuming, as opposed
> to a flesh and/or blood consuming vampire that can do
> large groups of people at once. As in, deplete an
> entire area, say a town, all at once?
That would have been my grandmother Nell. She'd chew on ball bearings
and spit them at you REAL HARD, with uncanny accuracy. She'd usually peg
you in the forehead, but she was also known to hit an ear lobe or a
man's "guys." Her teeth were a scary, gun-metal grey and she could snap
them to create sparks. When I was a little kid, I thought she was
Frankenstein for a while. She could suck a smile off your face so fast,
your lips were chapped. She grew a garden of nettles, cactii and
regional thorn bushes. I once saw her kick a department store Santa in
the ass with no provocation. She once glared at a baby and its eyes
changed from blue to brown. She could turn a party into a wake faster
than you can say "Flat Tax." I saw her walk straight down the line at a
street festival and everyone sat down silently for 30 minutes, so you
can imagine what Christmas was like, in the same room with her for 6
hours. Why, Ron Jeremy bumped into her at the mall and had to cancel all
of his planned shoots for a month.
In her absence, we called her "Old Black Hole." FUCK Dracula, here
comes Ol' Give-'Em-Hell Nell. Even when her teeth were out, they were
still IN, y'dig?
--
HellPope Huey
Mars needs sweeping
When I take action,
I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile
at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.
It's going to be decisive.
- George Bush, regarding the 9/11 attacks
"Fairly harmless, according to the government,
which has been squirting it at you
most of your life."
- "King of the Hill"
Posted by:: Gene
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:17:29 GMT
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:07:22 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:
> That would have been my grandmother Nell. She'd chew on ball bearings
>and spit them at you REAL HARD, with uncanny accuracy. She'd usually peg
>you in the forehead, but she was also known to hit an ear lobe or a
>man's "guys." Her teeth were a scary, gun-metal grey and she could snap
>them to create sparks. When I was a little kid, I thought she was
>Frankenstein for a while. She could suck a smile off your face so fast,
>your lips were chapped. She grew a garden of nettles, cactii and
>regional thorn bushes. I once saw her kick a department store Santa in
>the ass with no provocation. She once glared at a baby and its eyes
>changed from blue to brown. She could turn a party into a wake faster
>than you can say "Flat Tax." I saw her walk straight down the line at a
>street festival and everyone sat down silently for 30 minutes, so you
>can imagine what Christmas was like, in the same room with her for 6
>hours. Why, Ron Jeremy bumped into her at the mall and had to cancel all
>of his planned shoots for a month.
>
> In her absence, we called her "Old Black Hole." FUCK Dracula, here
>comes Ol' Give-'Em-Hell Nell. Even when her teeth were out, they were
>still IN, y'dig?
she was a teacher, right?
Posted by:: nospam@nospam.org (Way Back Jack)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:08:14 GMT
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:17:29 GMT, Gene wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:07:22 GMT, HellPope Huey
> wrote:
>
>> That would have been my grandmother Nell. She'd chew on ball bearings
>>and spit them at you REAL HARD, with uncanny accuracy. She'd usually peg
>>you in the forehead, but she was also known to hit an ear lobe or a
>>man's "guys." Her teeth were a scary, gun-metal grey and she could snap
>>them to create sparks. When I was a little kid, I thought she was
>>Frankenstein for a while. She could suck a smile off your face so fast,
>>your lips were chapped. She grew a garden of nettles, cactii and
>>regional thorn bushes. I once saw her kick a department store Santa in
>>the ass with no provocation. She once glared at a baby and its eyes
>>changed from blue to brown. She could turn a party into a wake faster
>>than you can say "Flat Tax." I saw her walk straight down the line at a
>>street festival and everyone sat down silently for 30 minutes, so you
>>can imagine what Christmas was like, in the same room with her for 6
>>hours. Why, Ron Jeremy bumped into her at the mall and had to cancel all
>>of his planned shoots for a month.
>>
>> In her absence, we called her "Old Black Hole." FUCK Dracula, here
>>comes Ol' Give-'Em-Hell Nell. Even when her teeth were out, they were
>>still IN, y'dig?
>
>
> she was a teacher, right?
More specifically, a pre-1960 nun.
Always wodered what happened to Sister Mary Magdalena Marcellio
Posted by:: Bonestructure
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:03:57 -0600
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Dunno, but there's a legenf that th4e child of a vampire is born without
bones.
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swallowing his gum. But no, Mr. Fanciful Hyperbole now has to deal with a
pissed-off wife and a kid in the ER who downed pack after pack of bubble
gum in hopes of actually farting himself a hot air balloon.
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Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:30:56 -0700
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
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> angelicusrex wrote:
>>
>> Actually vampires do exist. They are a type of ghost.
>> And they can kill.
>
> Okay, being so up on the literature has raised a
> real, as opposed to a snarky, question:
>
> Are there references to an energy-consuming, as opposed
> to a flesh and/or blood consuming vampire that can do
> large groups of people at once. As in, deplete an
> entire area, say a town, all at once? Or conversely,
> a group of vampires who would do this as a group.
I know this will sound utterly ridiculous to the scientific minded...but
yes, this happened in the past. Whole villages could be decimated by
vampires. Now, whether this happened because of some sort of mass hysteria
based on a perceived threat, or was the actual result of vampiric sorcery,
it did happen. Which is why in parts of Romania and elsewhere on earth,
vampires are still sought out and slain in the "old ways" (having little or
nothing to do with our movies and novelizations of such practices). Vampires
are often sorcerers, lycanthropes or animagi, that is sorcerers or shamans
who can become animals, usually wolves, big dogs, big cats or other types of
creatures. Hence the Mexican term "Coyotero" for those wicked sorcerers who
can turn into coyotes and practice mischief. The American Indians also have
such beings. Whole towns have been known to die off quickly, or pack up and
leave because of vampires. In fact the story of Salem's Lot by S. King is
based on an event that happened in Canada where an entire town of Inuit
hunters and their women and children disappeared without a trace. Where
shamanism and the old traditions are still practiced, such creatures can
still prey on others. Such places of predation are usually given wide birth
by wise and knowlegeable people, because indeed, the enrgy of the vampires
will linger there literally for centuries, which is why some spots are
"accursed."
>
> Positing such a creature, I would wonder if it would
> operate on the ground, or need to be elevated above the
> area at the time. Plus, if it would kill, or just
> reduce the energy level of the place.
They can kill or weaken a person's spirit, or spread disease (hence the term
Nosferatu or Plague Bearer, which to the Germans translates as someone who
is Unclean in a Biblical sense). It usually starts with family and friends
of the family, which then spreads along to everyone who knows anyone in the
town. Vampires are created and sometimes travel in packs, they are like
ghosts, they can travel through the air or on the ground, etc. But not over
running water, which is what usually saves other towns from being infected.
Many of the burial rights we practice today, including embalming and use of
headstones, comes from our ancestor's fears of vampiric entities.
> Lastly, would it do so on its own, or use some type of
> energy-draining anomaly to do the depletion, and just
> parasite off of the process, as in opening a window to
> some energy-sucking reality and try to uptake energy as
> it is pulled into the other reality?
Only human souls have volition and intent. There are no doorways to soul
sucking energy vorteces. Humans prey on each other in death as they do in
life, which is scary enough.
Thanks for asking.
A.R.
Posted by:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:27:00 -0700
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angelicusrex wrote:
>
> > Lastly, would it do so on its own, or use some type of
> > energy-draining anomaly to do the depletion, and just
> > parasite off of the process, as in opening a window to
> > some energy-sucking reality and try to uptake energy as
> > it is pulled into the other reality?
>
> Only human souls have volition and intent. There are no
> doorways to soul sucking energy vorteces.
Not soul, per se, but energy. As example, an alternative
where time goes by faster than here. If an energy vampire
was only able to draw out 'x' amount of energy from a
person in a given period of time, they might, by exposing
the person to an accelerated time reality, get them to give
off more energy faster. In effect, running that person's
life clock faster.
A person exposed to such a reality might age days, weeks,
or even years in seconds, giving off in that short time
the energy they would have generated in the longer time,
yet not incinerating, as they would if they produced that
much energy all at once in normal time.
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Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:59:20 -0700
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
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> angelicusrex wrote:
>>
>> > Lastly, would it do so on its own, or use some type of
>> > energy-draining anomaly to do the depletion, and just
>> > parasite off of the process, as in opening a window to
>> > some energy-sucking reality and try to uptake energy as
>> > it is pulled into the other reality?
>>
>> Only human souls have volition and intent. There are no
>> doorways to soul sucking energy vorteces.
>
> Not soul, per se, but energy. As example, an alternative
> where time goes by faster than here. If an energy vampire
> was only able to draw out 'x' amount of energy from a
> person in a given period of time, they might, by exposing
> the person to an accelerated time reality, get them to give
> off more energy faster. In effect, running that person's
> life clock faster.
>
> A person exposed to such a reality might age days, weeks,
> or even years in seconds, giving off in that short time
> the energy they would have generated in the longer time,
> yet not incinerating, as they would if they produced that
> much energy all at once in normal time.
If by this you mean fighting with Nenslo will give me premature wrinkles and
white hair, no. But he does love to suck away the energy from people.
However the energy we all have is pretty vast. Unless you just give it up in
one big lump to some vampire.
However taking the spirituality and soul away from the art of vampirism is,
in my estimation, a modern bastardization of an essentially religio-mythic
tradition. Soul=energy. We are our energy. before it was called energy, it
was called a soul.
A.R.
Posted by:: John Cook
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:02:23 +1000
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angelicusrex wrote:
> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
> news:4248BCF4.31FB@succeeds.com...
>
>>angelicusrex wrote:
>>
>>>>Lastly, would it do so on its own, or use some type of
>>>>energy-draining anomaly to do the depletion, and just
>>A person exposed to such a reality might age days, weeks,
> If by this you mean fighting with Nenslo will give me premature wrinkles and
> white hair, no. But he does love to suck away the energy from people.
think of it more as a good therapeutic bleeding...
> However the energy we all have is pretty vast. Unless you just give it up in
> one big lump to some vampire.
> However taking the spirituality and soul away from the art of vampirism is,
> in my estimation, a modern bastardization of an essentially religio-mythic
> tradition. Soul=energy. We are our energy. before it was called energy, it
> was called a soul.
>
> A.R.
I'll sort-of agree with that - provided you allow some (at least)
animals to also have 'souls'
It clashes with my intuition/experience to think pink's are above either
of two dog's I've had (in the soul department at LEAST)
BTW EITHER of them would have RIPPED it's FUKIN' THROAT OUT before it
drained _their_ energy...
--
John Cook
The Bandwidth of reality is Wonderfully wide
Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:11:41 -0700
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I do agree animals have souls and utilize them to better purpose than most
humans, who are trying to rid themselves of theirs.
A.R.
Posted by:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:00:27 -0700
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angelicusrex wrote:
>
> However taking the spirituality and soul away from
> the art of vampirism is, in my estimation, a modern
> bastardization of an essentially religio-mythic
> tradition. Soul=energy. We are our energy. before
> it was called energy, it was called a soul.
>
Ah, now energy is sort of my specialty. I make the
distinctions because of several different kinds, types,
*and* forms of energy in people. Let me cite a few
examples.
1) Chi or Ki energy. Well-known to martial artists,
this is a form of energy about as tangible as it gets.
It is a form of energy that can be increased with some
practice to noticeable effect. Those who spend a lot
of time developing it can do some pretty extraordinary
things. Some MAs become a tad obsessive about it,
liking it a whole lot.
2) Chakras. Something like specialized capacitors,
each chakra stores energy for a particular kind of
activity: instinctual, physical, mental, emotional.
People are generally most comfortable using just one
of these four, for how they relate to the world.
3) The Kirlian field. Sometimes called the "aura",
the K-field is energy directly generated at the
cellular level and is closely tied to the physical
body.
4) The energy meridians. Used in acupuncture and
acupressure, these 'lines' are usually associated with
internal organs (including two imaginary ones, the
Chinese lacking in understanding of anatomy). Each
line is in turn most active for a two hour period of
a 24-hour day, and least active for the preceding
one hour period during a time of recuperation, when
it is most susceptible to damage. The 24-hour system
is arranged in a logical manner, strangely enough.
5) The extended Lambda field. Most recognized as a
"shell"-like barrier around a person at some couple
of feet distance, it can be felt as one's "personal
space" when some other person bumps their "shell"
into yours. Its purpose is to protect our various
energies from energy-at-large, which could easily
disrupt it. Death is synonymous with severe shell
damage, that causes it to collapse.
6) The "north/south" energy divide. The energy in
the bottom half of the extended L-field shell is not
usually replaceable. A person only has a finite
supply that can be used up. The energy in the upper
half can be increased, but it is more transitory and
less useful in character.
7) Energy bands. Within the extended L-field there
is a spectrum of energies that form verticle bands
much like the visible light spectrum. Humans almost
exclusive use only a fraction of a single one of
these bands, the rest unused for the duration of
their lives.
8) Awareness. Separate from the bodies' energies,
it is actually *outside* of the extended L-field
shell, on its surface, and acts as a "universal
interpreter" of the energy-at-large, filtering out
vast amounts of energy that would confuse the senses.
It is the first and greatest of these filters to
include the physical brain, that cuts out 99.9% of
the input we *could* perceive.
9) Perceptivity. Energy can't really be separated
from its application. A good description of trying
to increase one's energy level has been described as
being in an apartment building. At your base level
of energy, it is like looking out the first story
window--you have a perspective on things. But as
you increase your energy, at a point it is like
looking out the second story window, *and* the first
story window--at the same time--you have two
perspectives on the same thing. With each major
increase in energy you add a new "floor" and its
perspective. Again, *what* you perceive, and how
you interpret that information is based on what type
of energy you have.
10) Connectivity. People exchange energy like
they leave their DNA all over the place. They
stick energetic "calling cards" in each other often,
and in physical objects, and in 'events'--discreet
happenings in their lives they wish to maintain
memory contact with over time. This energy remain
the property of its original owner, however, and can
be recalled.
11) Beckoning. An extraordinary tool that people
are so used to they don't even notice it. They
summon events to happen "in their space" that they
wish to participate in. This use of energy
facilitates all human interaction and beats the
heck out of random chance. This is why people have
jam-packed days full of events, rather than just
utter torpor. Beckoning is a "push-pull" activity,
which means that it also helps you fend off stuff
you do *not* want to experience. People vary as to
whether they are better at "pushing" or "pulling",
but everybody needs to do both.
12) Group activities. Reality is full of gaps and
holes, and people have a universal agreement to use
their awareness and energy to patch these up, as
they can be very damaging or life-threatening to
those who haven't learned how to withstand them.
When one such hole or gap appears, people are trained
to focus strongly on it, to rationalize it away as
something normal, or just to throw so much energy at
it, that it seals up. Children are taught from birth
all sorts of techniques to strictly limit how they use
their awareness, providing them incredible defenses
against perceiving such things.
--
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http://slackoff.blogspot.com/
***********
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but when you're poor, you can't
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you happiness."
--nu-monet
Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:13:12 -0700
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
news:42497B9B.338@succeeds.com...
> angelicusrex wrote:
>>
>> However taking the spirituality and soul away from
>> the art of vampirism is, in my estimation, a modern
>> bastardization of an essentially religio-mythic
>> tradition. Soul=energy. We are our energy. before
>> it was called energy, it was called a soul.
>>
>
> Ah, now energy is sort of my specialty. I make the
> distinctions because of several different kinds, types,
> *and* forms of energy in people. Let me cite a few
> examples.
>
> 1) Chi or Ki energy. Well-known to martial artists,
> this is a form of energy about as tangible as it gets.
> It is a form of energy that can be increased with some
> practice to noticeable effect. Those who spend a lot
> of time developing it can do some pretty extraordinary
> things. Some MAs become a tad obsessive about it,
> liking it a whole lot.
>
> 2) Chakras. Something like specialized capacitors,
> each chakra stores energy for a particular kind of
> activity: instinctual, physical, mental, emotional.
> People are generally most comfortable using just one
> of these four, for how they relate to the world.
>
> 3) The Kirlian field. Sometimes called the "aura",
> the K-field is energy directly generated at the
> cellular level and is closely tied to the physical
> body.
>
> 4) The energy meridians. Used in acupuncture and
> acupressure, these 'lines' are usually associated with
> internal organs (including two imaginary ones, the
> Chinese lacking in understanding of anatomy). Each
> line is in turn most active for a two hour period of
> a 24-hour day, and least active for the preceding
> one hour period during a time of recuperation, when
> it is most susceptible to damage. The 24-hour system
> is arranged in a logical manner, strangely enough.
>
> 5) The extended Lambda field. Most recognized as a
> "shell"-like barrier around a person at some couple
> of feet distance, it can be felt as one's "personal
> space" when some other person bumps their "shell"
> into yours. Its purpose is to protect our various
> energies from energy-at-large, which could easily
> disrupt it. Death is synonymous with severe shell
> damage, that causes it to collapse.
>
> 6) The "north/south" energy divide. The energy in
> the bottom half of the extended L-field shell is not
> usually replaceable. A person only has a finite
> supply that can be used up. The energy in the upper
> half can be increased, but it is more transitory and
> less useful in character.
>
> 7) Energy bands. Within the extended L-field there
> is a spectrum of energies that form verticle bands
> much like the visible light spectrum. Humans almost
> exclusive use only a fraction of a single one of
> these bands, the rest unused for the duration of
> their lives.
>
> 8) Awareness. Separate from the bodies' energies,
> it is actually *outside* of the extended L-field
> shell, on its surface, and acts as a "universal
> interpreter" of the energy-at-large, filtering out
> vast amounts of energy that would confuse the senses.
> It is the first and greatest of these filters to
> include the physical brain, that cuts out 99.9% of
> the input we *could* perceive.
>
> 9) Perceptivity. Energy can't really be separated
> from its application. A good description of trying
> to increase one's energy level has been described as
> being in an apartment building. At your base level
> of energy, it is like looking out the first story
> window--you have a perspective on things. But as
> you increase your energy, at a point it is like
> looking out the second story window, *and* the first
> story window--at the same time--you have two
> perspectives on the same thing. With each major
> increase in energy you add a new "floor" and its
> perspective. Again, *what* you perceive, and how
> you interpret that information is based on what type
> of energy you have.
>
> 10) Connectivity. People exchange energy like
> they leave their DNA all over the place. They
> stick energetic "calling cards" in each other often,
> and in physical objects, and in 'events'--discreet
> happenings in their lives they wish to maintain
> memory contact with over time. This energy remain
> the property of its original owner, however, and can
> be recalled.
>
> 11) Beckoning. An extraordinary tool that people
> are so used to they don't even notice it. They
> summon events to happen "in their space" that they
> wish to participate in. This use of energy
> facilitates all human interaction and beats the
> heck out of random chance. This is why people have
> jam-packed days full of events, rather than just
> utter torpor. Beckoning is a "push-pull" activity,
> which means that it also helps you fend off stuff
> you do *not* want to experience. People vary as to
> whether they are better at "pushing" or "pulling",
> but everybody needs to do both.
>
> 12) Group activities. Reality is full of gaps and
> holes, and people have a universal agreement to use
> their awareness and energy to patch these up, as
> they can be very damaging or life-threatening to
> those who haven't learned how to withstand them.
> When one such hole or gap appears, people are trained
> to focus strongly on it, to rationalize it away as
> something normal, or just to throw so much energy at
> it, that it seals up. Children are taught from birth
> all sorts of techniques to strictly limit how they use
> their awareness, providing them incredible defenses
> against perceiving such things.
Very interesting! I likee!
A.R.
Posted by:: saint bubba
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:05:54 +0000
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:30:56 -0700, "angelicusrex"
wrote:
>Vampires
>are often sorcerers, lycanthropes or animagi, that is sorcerers or shamans
>who can become animals, usually wolves, big dogs, big cats or other types of
>creatures. Hence the Mexican term "Coyotero" for those wicked sorcerers who
>can turn into coyotes and practice mischief. The American Indians also have
>such beings.
why is it that all the were-critters you hear of are great big hungry
carnivores? why aren't there reports of were-aardvarks, or were-sloths
for that matter. come to think of it, that'd be the ideal supernatural
beastie to be bitten by, every month from the waxing to the waning you
can shrug off work and human form and hang around in a tree eating
eucalyptus leaves and pot plants pilfered from the backyard of those
wannabe heavymetalstoners down the block.
>Whole towns have been known to die off quickly, or pack up and
>leave because of vampires. In fact the story of Salem's Lot by S. King is
>based on an event that happened in Canada where an entire town of Inuit
>hunters and their women and children disappeared without a trace.
ha! towns disapparate in canda all the time. all it takes is one good
snowstorm and its gone. likely its some sort of sm stirling plot and
in some other reality, there's a north american continent full of
toque wearing hahkey players with GOOD beer.
>Where
>shamanism and the old traditions are still practiced, such creatures can
>still prey on others. Such places of predation are usually given wide birth
>by wise and knowlegeable people,
bullshit, so called wise and knowledgable people are the first to have
that infamous last line ascibed to them : "nah, it doesnt LOOK
poisonous." so callled wise and knowledgable folks are usually
certifiably insane and they're always the ones that are depicted as
the hero in horror novels that walk into the sleepy BUT WIERD villiage
and awaken that which cannot be named.
>They can kill or weaken a person's spirit, or spread disease (hence the term
>Nosferatu or Plague Bearer, which to the Germans translates as someone who
>is Unclean in a Biblical sense).
i gotta know, cause this bugs me. what exactly is "unclean in a
BIBLICAL sense"? is one guilty of doodling through eccliastestes? of
drawing beards on all the marys depicted on those woodcuttings and
durrogotype pictures? stick figure apocalypses? or is it just general
dog-earedness and coffee stains? are these unforgivable sins or can
one finance an indulgence to get out of it? are the indulgences tax
deductible??
> It usually starts with family and friends
>of the family, which then spreads along to everyone who knows anyone in the
>town. Vampires are created and sometimes travel in packs, they are like
>ghosts,
and teenagers. and strangely enough, ducks.
>they can travel through the air or on the ground, etc. But not over
>running water, which is what usually saves other towns from being infected.
and this would be where the ducks have the advantage, n'est pas? so
its not really the vampires and Undead things that skitter around
graveyards and wear unfasionable black wardrobes, we should fear the
WATERFOWL!
>Many of the burial rights we practice today, including embalming and use of
>headstones, comes from our ancestor's fears of vampiric entities.
or to protect the remains from the ducks! think about it, you have,
medievally speaking, depicted in illuminated manuscripts and stained
glass windows, all sorts of critters...bees, goats, horses, lots of
camels....BUT NO DUCKS. that means something.
st bubba
Posted by:: nenslo
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:56:37 -0700
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saint bubba wrote:
>
>
> why is it that all the were-critters you hear of are great big hungry
> carnivores? why aren't there reports of were-aardvarks, or were-sloths
> for that matter. come to think of it, that'd be the ideal supernatural
> beastie to be bitten by, every month from the waxing to the waning you
> can shrug off work and human form and hang around in a tree eating
> eucalyptus leaves and pot plants pilfered from the backyard of those
> wannabe heavymetalstoners down the block.
>
Why are they always MACROSCOPIC VERTEBRATES? Well I guess I know why.
A were-euglena wouldn't make for much of a story. Once a month you
shrink down into a droplet of water and go around ferociously ingesting
stuff with your vacuoles. As if we don't get enough of that in real life.
Posted by:: saint bubba
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:59:49 +0000
--------
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:56:37 -0700, nenslo wrote:
>saint bubba wrote:
>>
>>
>> why is it that all the were-critters you hear of are great big hungry
>> carnivores? why aren't there reports of were-aardvarks, or were-sloths
>> for that matter. come to think of it, that'd be the ideal supernatural
>> beastie to be bitten by, every month from the waxing to the waning you
>> can shrug off work and human form and hang around in a tree eating
>> eucalyptus leaves and pot plants pilfered from the backyard of those
>> wannabe heavymetalstoners down the block.
>>
>
>Why are they always MACROSCOPIC VERTEBRATES? Well I guess I know why.
>A were-euglena wouldn't make for much of a story. Once a month you
>shrink down into a droplet of water and go around ferociously ingesting
>stuff with your vacuoles. As if we don't get enough of that in real life.
or even inanimate objects...the dreaded weretoaster of paddington
square. or a wereflashlight. its always gotta be something that can
EAT something else without feeling very guilty about it afterwards. of
course, that could apply to weregoldfish, but that particular curse
would really suck if you lived, say, in flatbush, arizona.
thats probably the best thing about being a subgenius, what with all
the hidden appendages we keep folded in our pockets, under spare flesh
and in seperate dimensions, we can become practically anything, but
the third blue moon of the month changes into the silkyhaired yeti (as
opposed to the wiryhaired variety that always get the burdock stickums
clinging to their asses) is my favorite, just the way the moonlight
GLISTENS off that pelt......
st bubba
Posted by:: "Giles"
Date: 26 Mar 2005 19:21:27 -0800
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angelicusrex wrote:
> #2. Vampires are like poltergeists, they try to use fear and terror
or
> intense rage to provoke others to an emotional state. It is really
the
> emotions they are living on, the life of the person, not the blood.
Via Usenet?
Posted by:: John Cook
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:25:12 +1000
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Giles wrote:
> angelicusrex wrote:
>
>
>>#2. Vampires are like poltergeists, they try to use fear and terror
>
> or
>
>>intense rage to provoke others to an emotional state. It is really
>
> the
>
>>emotions they are living on, the life of the person, not the blood.
>
>
> Via Usenet?
>
duh?
--
John Cook
The Bandwidth of reality is Wonderfully wide
Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:54:07 -0700
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"Giles" wrote in message
news:1111893687.788502.302290@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> angelicusrex wrote:
>
>> #2. Vampires are like poltergeists, they try to use fear and terror
> or
>> intense rage to provoke others to an emotional state. It is really
> the
>> emotions they are living on, the life of the person, not the blood.
>
> Via Usenet?
No. Via research via books and other literature. I have been researching
this topic since before Usenet was useful.
A.R.
>