Clear Channel putting up "W: OUR LEADER" billboards
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT

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"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442


Correspondent:: Frere Jean Bleu
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:47:52 +1100

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>
>http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442

Heh, I suppose you'll just have to wait for some liberators come over
and tear it down.

Be sure to have some cute little Chinese flags to wave as the tanks
roll in.

Fr J B



Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 23 Nov 2004 23:20:46 GMT

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>>"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>>president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>>Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>>
>>http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>
>Heh, I suppose you'll just have to wait for some liberators come over
>and tear it down.
>
>Be sure to have some cute little Chinese flags to wave as the tanks
>roll in.
>
>Fr J B
>

The Bushies are scrambling. Seem the Chinese are strengthing thier realations
with all the South American Nations. Investing money, providing foreign aid,
etc.

Now they are wishing they had not piss so many of them off.

MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man

"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"

Charles E. Montague


Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:28:02 -0800

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In article <20041123182046.21841.00000937@mb-m14.aol.com>,
mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull) wrote:
snip
> The Bushies are scrambling. Seem the Chinese are strengthing thier realations
> with all the South American Nations. Investing money, providing foreign aid,
> etc.

What else can they do with all those US dollars piling up? Put them in
Treasuries? LOL. The US dollar is finished as a trade currency and
until something new pops up, the best thing to do is take a page from
American consumerism and spend them as fast as they can.
>
> Now they are wishing they had not piss so many of them off.

They don't really care as long as they land on their feet. Only way to
do that now is to open new markets for cheap goods before American
credit runs out. Still, you gotta admire their chutzpah, trying to
beat Brazil at their own game.

China will ultimately fail because they cannot develop their internal
markets without undercutting their only commercial advantage: cheap
labor. Besides, well paid workers get in your face big time if you're
trying to run a one-party state. Before you know it, they start
forming unions and demanding political representation.

China is a Potemkin Village. There's a strip of prosperity along the
coast which is what we see in the west. Then there's the other 80%
that live in poverty worse than anything you'll find in South America.

Incidently, China is now running a net deficit. You don't hear about
it, but it's true. Sure, they have huge surpluses with the USA, but
they have to import nearly everything they need- copper, nickel, zinc,
iron ore.....not to mention oil. The price you pays when you peg to the
dollah.

The China story is just a replay of Japan in the 80's with one
important difference: No safety net. That's why all the big fish have
accounts in the Caymans and homes in Canada. They know what's coming.

pb


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:16:31 -0800

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>
>http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442

I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
if they did.

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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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LE MARCHE FUTILE?



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
> >
> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>
> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
> if they did.
>

I think that "our" is "unser"

Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
function?
"Our Umbrella Stand"?



Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:15 -0800

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
wrote:

>
>
>Zapanaz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>> >
>> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>>
>> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>> if they did.
>>
>
> I think that "our" is "unser"
>
> Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
>function?
>"Our Umbrella Stand"?

How about "president"?




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- Abbess Abyss



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:02:38 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Zapanaz wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
> >> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
> >> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
> >> >
> >> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
> >>
> >> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
> >> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
> >> if they did.
> >>
> >
> > I think that "our" is "unser"
> >
> > Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
> >function?
> >"Our Umbrella Stand"?
>
> How about "president"?
>

I guess OK, but I sort of like "Fearless Leader"
like Boris and Natasha had--

Or in "The Prisoner"--call him #2

maybe CEO, more contemporary than Prez







Correspondent:: Unclaimed Mysteries
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:50:12 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote as part of the internets:


>
> How about "president"?
>

You didn't capitalize that word, traitor.

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which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been
tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad
communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far
worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and
inefficient than the public knows."
- T.E. Laurence, The Sunday Times, August 1920


Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:27:22 -0600

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:15 -0800, Zapanaz
wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>>> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>>> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>>> >
>>> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>>>
>>> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>>> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>>> if they did.
>>>
>>
>> I think that "our" is "unser"
>>
>> Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
>>function?
>>"Our Umbrella Stand"?
>
>How about "president"?

questionable functionary?



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:01:17 GMT

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HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:15 -0800, Zapanaz
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>>>> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>>>> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>>>> >
>>>> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>>>> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>>>> if they did.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that "our" is "unser"
>>>
>>> Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
>>>function?
>>>"Our Umbrella Stand"?
>>
>>How about "president"?
>
> questionable functionary?

I always thought one of the things the Framers really got right was how
to address the President.

There was a lot of careful consideration that went into it. They had to
maintain some level of official dignity -- after all, they wanted him to
be respected by other nations' royalty -- while avoiding any sense of
the trappings of monarchy, the boogeyman ideology of the day.

So yeah, Mr. President works pretty well for me. As in "Fuck you, Mr.
President," or "You're a soulless waste of space, Mr. President."

Really though, I don't think the nation is in mortal danger; not in the
next four years, anyway. Remember, the Framers really hated monarchy
and monarchy has a lot in common with fascism, so the entire structure
of the government is specifically designed to prevent what the GOP is
now apparently trying to do. It's weathered similar assaults in the
past, and in all likelihood it'll weather this one.

Of course, things are definitely going to get worse before they get
better. With a little luck that'll prove to be the neoCONs' downfall.


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:54:59 -0800

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:01:17 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:15 -0800, Zapanaz
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>>>>> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>>>>> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>>>>> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>>>>> if they did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that "our" is "unser"
>>>>
>>>> Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
>>>>function?
>>>>"Our Umbrella Stand"?
>>>
>>>How about "president"?
>>
>> questionable functionary?
>
>I always thought one of the things the Framers really got right was how
>to address the President.
>
>There was a lot of careful consideration that went into it. They had to
>maintain some level of official dignity -- after all, they wanted him to
>be respected by other nations' royalty -- while avoiding any sense of
>the trappings of monarchy, the boogeyman ideology of the day.
>
>So yeah, Mr. President works pretty well for me. As in "Fuck you, Mr.
>President," or "You're a soulless waste of space, Mr. President."
>

I really do think the word carries an important meaning, and
importantly lacks meanings.

Constitutionally the President was intended to be at least somewhat
less poweful than he is today. The President PRESIDES. It is a
leadership position, but implies something which is presided over. A
President is a CIVIL FUNCTIONARY. The founders were acutely aware of
the fine line of differnence between one who presides and one who
rules,

They knew, rightly I think, that a leadership position was needed. If
you have ever participated in open source software projects, you have
probably seen that they are much more effective when there is one
final "buck stops here" person, a president. Linux and Perl both have
them and are fairly succesful because of it. Also they knew we would
need some kind of figurehead in the international arena.

But the constitutional president is not the government, is not the
law. He is a part of the government. In the British Empire we were
escaping from and most of the world, however benign a monarch might
be, the monarch was the ruler. The government was subordinate to the
monarch. It's too subtle a difference for a typical voter and
apparently too subtle for some Clear Channel bozos but the difference
is very important.

When the Nazis started calling Hitler the Führer (really, "guide"
would be a better translation) they were eroding that distinction.
They weren't dumb enough to imply a divine right of rule, as with a
monarchy, but Guide has some subtle implications which lean in that
direction. It implies a benign, but unquestionably superior, older
brother. Wiser than us. It implies that we need a guide, that we are
benighted and ignorant without the guide's direction and higher angle
of vision.

So, subtly, it does imply something like divine right. Divine right
was not just based on the idea that God willed that the Kings/Emperors
rule, but that they were naturally superior, and so it simply made
sense for them to rule. And that idea is very appealing to humans, it
goes all the way back to the stone age. Read The Golden Bough, which
IMO is the true blueprint for how government works.

By elevating Hitler to the position of Guide they were implying that
he had that same sun king magic potency.

And calling that stuttering coke-head frat boy Our Leader implies much
the same thing. But with even greater irony.



>Really though, I don't think the nation is in mortal danger; not in the
>next four years, anyway. Remember, the Framers really hated monarchy
>and monarchy has a lot in common with fascism, so the entire structure
>of the government is specifically designed to prevent what the GOP is
>now apparently trying to do. It's weathered similar assaults in the
>past, and in all likelihood it'll weather this one.
>
>Of course, things are definitely going to get worse before they get
>better. With a little luck that'll prove to be the neoCONs' downfall.

--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Oh fuck. It's those slack boys. Go home!



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:22:25 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:01:17 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:15 -0800, Zapanaz
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:30 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:58:32 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>>>>>> >president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>>>>>> >Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>>>>>> Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>>>>>> if they did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that "our" is "unser"
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, leader. What are they supposed to call the guy who fills that
>>>>>function?
>>>>>"Our Umbrella Stand"?
>>>>
>>>>How about "president"?
>>>
>>> questionable functionary?
>>
>>I always thought one of the things the Framers really got right was how
>>to address the President.
>>
>>There was a lot of careful consideration that went into it. They had to
>>maintain some level of official dignity -- after all, they wanted him to
>>be respected by other nations' royalty -- while avoiding any sense of
>>the trappings of monarchy, the boogeyman ideology of the day.
>>
>>So yeah, Mr. President works pretty well for me. As in "Fuck you, Mr.
>>President," or "You're a soulless waste of space, Mr. President."
>>
>
> I really do think the word carries an important meaning, and
> importantly lacks meanings.
>
> Constitutionally the President was intended to be at least somewhat
> less poweful than he is today. The President PRESIDES. It is a
> leadership position, but implies something which is presided over. A
> President is a CIVIL FUNCTIONARY. The founders were acutely aware of
> the fine line of differnence between one who presides and one who
> rules,

The Constitution is a living document, man. It says exactly what the
courts say it says, no more and no less.

The path you're going down leads to strict constructionism, which is the
legal analogue of fundamentalism. "The Constitution must be interpreted
LITERALLY, and when interpreted LITERALLY it says what we say it says!
Never mind Marbury v. Madison, seperation of powers, or judicial review;
the Framers meant what WE SAY THEY MEANT!"

Sound familiar?

> They knew, rightly I think, that a leadership position was needed. If
> you have ever participated in open source software projects, you have
> probably seen that they are much more effective when there is one
> final "buck stops here" person, a president. Linux and Perl both have
> them and are fairly succesful because of it. Also they knew we would
> need some kind of figurehead in the international arena.
>
> But the constitutional president is not the government, is not the
> law. He is a part of the government. In the British Empire we were
> escaping from and most of the world, however benign a monarch might
> be, the monarch was the ruler. The government was subordinate to the
> monarch. It's too subtle a difference for a typical voter and
> apparently too subtle for some Clear Channel bozos but the difference
> is very important.
>
> When the Nazis started calling Hitler the Führer (really, "guide"
> would be a better translation) they were eroding that distinction.
> They weren't dumb enough to imply a divine right of rule, as with a
> monarchy, but Guide has some subtle implications which lean in that
> direction. It implies a benign, but unquestionably superior, older
> brother. Wiser than us. It implies that we need a guide, that we are
> benighted and ignorant without the guide's direction and higher angle
> of vision.

That's why "I support the President" creeps me out.

> So, subtly, it does imply something like divine right. Divine right
> was not just based on the idea that God willed that the Kings/Emperors
> rule, but that they were naturally superior, and so it simply made
> sense for them to rule. And that idea is very appealing to humans, it
> goes all the way back to the stone age. Read The Golden Bough, which
> IMO is the true blueprint for how government works.

You said it yourself; someone's gotta lead.

> By elevating Hitler to the position of Guide they were implying that
> he had that same sun king magic potency.
>
> And calling that stuttering coke-head frat boy Our Leader implies much
> the same thing. But with even greater irony.

Addressing an undeserving leader using his historically respected title
serves to call attention to his ineptitude.

If you can call him That Shitkicker it's easy to write him off and
trivialize the danger he represents. But having to look that shitkicker
in the eye and call him Mr. President through clenched teeth makes you
VERY aware of just how much of a shitkicker he really is.


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:17:26 -0800

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:22:25 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>> And calling that stuttering coke-head frat boy Our Leader implies much
>> the same thing. But with even greater irony.
>
>Addressing an undeserving leader using his historically respected title
>serves to call attention to his ineptitude.
>

Do you mean "Mr. President" or "Our Leader"?

>If you can call him That Shitkicker it's easy to write him off and
>trivialize the danger he represents. But having to look that shitkicker
>in the eye and call him Mr. President through clenched teeth makes you
>VERY aware of just how much of a shitkicker he really is.

I don't have any problem calling him Mr. President. A civil service
wonk in a necktie.

But he sure as the fuck isn't my LEADER and I would sincerely be
willing to kill somebody before I would call him that.

Who knows. Maybe that will be the thing that finally snaps and the
shit hits the fan. Somebody dies for semantics.

Really though, if it came down to it I would do it. Maybe I haven't
done a very good job of getting the distinction between the two words
down or maybe I have overkilled it.


--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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"If all the popular kids jumped off a cliff, would you?"
"Probably"
- Heathers



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:01:34 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:22:25 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>> And calling that stuttering coke-head frat boy Our Leader implies much
>>> the same thing. But with even greater irony.
>>
>>Addressing an undeserving leader using his historically respected title
>>serves to call attention to his ineptitude.
>
> Do you mean "Mr. President" or "Our Leader"?

I mean Mr. President, the official and historical title of the PotUS.

>>If you can call him That Shitkicker it's easy to write him off and
>>trivialize the danger he represents. But having to look that shitkicker
>>in the eye and call him Mr. President through clenched teeth makes you
>>VERY aware of just how much of a shitkicker he really is.
>
> I don't have any problem calling him Mr. President. A civil service
> wonk in a necktie.
>
> But he sure as the fuck isn't my LEADER and I would sincerely be
> willing to kill somebody before I would call him that.

I dunno about killing, but I'd definitely rather die than call him my
leader. But it's all academic because...

> Who knows. Maybe that will be the thing that finally snaps and the
> shit hits the fan. Somebody dies for semantics.
>
> Really though, if it came down to it I would do it. Maybe I haven't
> done a very good job of getting the distinction between the two words
> down or maybe I have overkilled it.

...it won't come down to it.


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:01:10 -0800

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:01:34 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>I dunno about killing, but I'd definitely rather die than call him my
>leader.

I have no desire to die for anything. It could certainly happen
because of my being sufficiently inflexible about something, but I
would never be willing to die to make a point.

The problem with dying to make a point is that then you're dead. You
will never know if it worked. If it didn't, it was a waste of time to
die for it. If it did, there was almost certainly a way to accomplish
the same end that didn't involve dying..

I don't have a problem though with killing to make a point. At least
if that doesn't work, it isn't -you- that's dead, and you have time to
work on plan B.


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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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wow that was a lot extraneous bullshit trying to prove some point no one
gives a fuck about.



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:31:31 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:01:34 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>I dunno about killing, but I'd definitely rather die than call him my
>>leader.
>
> I have no desire to die for anything.

Neither do I. Life's a bitch but it beats the alternative. That said...

> It could certainly happen
> because of my being sufficiently inflexible about something, but I
> would never be willing to die to make a point.
>
> The problem with dying to make a point is that then you're dead. You
> will never know if it worked. If it didn't, it was a waste of time to
> die for it. If it did, there was almost certainly a way to accomplish
> the same end that didn't involve dying..
>
> I don't have a problem though with killing to make a point. At least
> if that doesn't work, it isn't -you- that's dead, and you have time to
> work on plan B.

...we all gotta die someday, and I'd rather have my death mean something
than mean nothing.

Then again, I'm younger than you are so I still have that bulletproof
feeling which they say fades with age. I'm not staring Death in his
waxen face, so maybe it's easier for me to be cavalier about fucking
with him.


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:03:06 -0800

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:31:31 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>Then again, I'm younger than you are so I still have that bulletproof
>feeling which they say fades with age.

It isn't so much that it fades, as that one realizes (sometimes) that
feeling bulletproof and being bulletproof aren't the same thing.

With young guys, to my experience, it most frequently takes the form
of getting drunk, picking a fight, and getting the shit kicked out of
them.

>I'm not staring Death in his
>waxen face, so maybe it's easier for me to be cavalier about fucking
>with him.

I think it's a healthy attitude, personally, We ARE all going to die.
I suppose in a way my attitude and yours aren't all that far
different.

This is one of my rambling vaguely mystical ones.

IMO the fear of death is what shapes most people's lives. I think if
you could trace people's actions through to their motivations, and
those motivations to the underlying motivations, and so on, you would
find that the fear of death is very prominent as an underlying
motivator. "Thus conscience does make cowards of us all".

We avoid certain actions, many actions, not only because they pose a
physical threat (which is just good survival instinct) but because
they lead to the possibility of radical change, which instinctively
people fear the way they fear death.

Anybody could become a completely different person, over night. Take
on a completely different personality, quit their job, change their
habits completely. It can take time to change habits but it isn't
like there's something physically stopping us from doing so. Probably
you have seen at least a few people do it, so you know it's possible.

And most people seem, to me, to hate themselves, so you start to
wonder why people -don't- change.

The problem I think is that our survival instinct takes in the
familiar things that we associate with our selves and sets off warning
bells, fear, when we approach these with the intention of altering
them.

So more and more, as we get older and older, our sense of who we are
solidifies, and it becomes harder and harder, more and more
disturbing, to do things that don't fit what we think of as our
"pattern". And eventually you are ruled by that sense of your self.

People are easy to rule because they can be ruled by fear.

I don't think you can really be a human being unless you can get past
that fear. Not what I would think of as a human being, really alive.

--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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A cat will blink when struck with a hammer.
- George Carlin



Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (kdetal)
Date: 25 Nov 2004 02:15:32 GMT

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Vertigo wrote:

>Then again, I'm younger than you are so I still have that bulletproof
>feeling which they say fades with age. I'm not staring Death in his
>waxen face, so maybe it's easier for me to be cavalier about fucking
>with him.

Yeah. You can go a long time like that.

Then life can throw things at you that really suck the spirit out.

If you survive, at least with me, then it becomes not so much that I am no
longer brazen about Death, but that I am now very brazen about Life.



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" 'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -RAW



Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:08:50 GMT

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Well I, for one, welcome our carnivorous insectoid overlords.
Gentlemen, our flavor really comes to the fore when we are dipped in a
red creole sauce. Don't pass on the alfredo sauce, but start with the
creole, then the white wine and cream of mushroom soup dip, then the
Brown Recluse pate. Mighty fine eatin'.

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HellPope Huey
The abject beauty of the blah blah blah
is directly and inversely proportional
to the grinding horror of the ungh urgh argh.

For every human problem,
there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong
- H. L. Mencken

"I like my sex the way I like my basketball:
one-on-one and with as little rimming as possible."
- "Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult"


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:01:23 -0800

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:01:34 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>> Who knows. Maybe that will be the thing that finally snaps and the
>> shit hits the fan. Somebody dies for semantics.
>>
>> Really though, if it came down to it I would do it. Maybe I haven't
>> done a very good job of getting the distinction between the two words
>> down or maybe I have overkilled it.
>
>...it won't come down to it.

Most of the things that have come down in the last four years, I would
have said wouldn't come down four years ago..

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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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wow that was a lot extraneous bullshit trying to prove some point no one
gives a fuck about.



Correspondent:: Unclaimed Mysteries
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:54:29 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:01:34 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Who knows. Maybe that will be the thing that finally snaps and the
>>>shit hits the fan. Somebody dies for semantics.
>>>
>>>Really though, if it came down to it I would do it. Maybe I haven't
>>>done a very good job of getting the distinction between the two words
>>>down or maybe I have overkilled it.
>>
>>...it won't come down to it.
>
>
> Most of the things that have come down in the last four years, I would
> have said wouldn't come down four years ago..
>

We're soaking in it!

--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net



Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 23 Nov 2004 23:21:24 GMT

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>>"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>>president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>>Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>>
>>http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>
>I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>Führer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>if they did.

They know exactly what they are doing.

MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man

"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"

Charles E. Montague


Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:45:24 -0800

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"Rev. Richard Skull" wrote:
>
> >>"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
> >>president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
> >>Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
> >>
> >>http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
> >
> >I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
> >FÃ*hrer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
> >if they did.
>
> They know exactly what they are doing.
>

PRAISE TO THE LEADER!


Correspondent:: asscoassc@aol.comsucks (AssCo Assc)
Date: 24 Nov 2004 15:57:47 GMT

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Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:20:02 -0500

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:45:24 -0800, nenslo wrote:

> "Rev. Richard Skull" wrote:
>>
>> >>"The first thing I thought was, when was the last time I have seen a
>> >>president on a billboard?" wrote resident Dianna Lawson. "Didn’t Saddam
>> >>Hussein have his picture up everywhere? What next, a statue?"
>> >>
>> >>http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=442
>> >
>> >I wonder if they knew that "Our Leader" means the same thing as "Der
>> >FÃ*hrer" in German. I wonder if they would have phrased it differently
>> >if they did.
>>
>> They know exactly what they are doing.
>>
>
> PRAISE TO THE LEADER!

You people make me sick, and just before Thanksgiving, too. You all FREAK OUT
at the least provocation!

IT'S JUST A STUPID SIGN!!!


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