Do we blame Mom and Pop?

Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (kdetal)
Date: 15 Nov 2004 00:13:19 GMT

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There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things that I
pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop citizen
for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.

This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part of
their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it were not
so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or personality
characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation, despite
the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and who's
god is the best.

As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
as the cat's instinct to catch mice.

If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
--
"It is the human situation that is basically tragic. Right and Left
revolutionaries cannot alter this basic dilemma....the most radical Left-wing
group has no program to overcome death. The entire Right-Left establishment is
still death oriented."


Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:22:05 -0800

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kdetal wrote:
>
> As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
> as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
> as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>
> If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?

Things are the way they are. We can feel any way we want to about it.


Correspondent:: IMBJR
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:41:11 +0000

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:22:05 -0800, in reply to nenslo
:

>kdetal wrote:
>>
>> As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
>> as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
>> as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>>
>> If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
>
>Things are the way they are. We can feel any way we want to about it.

Then I shall feel a mixture of horny and itchiness.


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:22 GMT

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In article ,
IMBJR wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:22:05 -0800, in reply to nenslo
> :
> >kdetal wrote:
> >>
> >> As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it
> >> perpetuates as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as
> >> fixed as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
> >>
> >> If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
> >
> >Things are the way they are. We can feel any way we want to about it.
>
> Then I shall feel a mixture of horny and itchiness.

Please set up a video camera and record what you do to alleviate that
problem. Inquiring scumbags like me wanna know.

--

HellPope Huey
I want for Donald Trump's prostate
to grow to the size of a weather balloon

"If you can't do business with the evil and the greedy,
then who CAN you do business with?"
- "Tripping the Rift"

Useful phrases for the next 4 years, part 3:
"I am a political refugee. The reason?
My former country has been overrun
with morons and rednecks."
<"Je suis un refugee politique. La raison?
Mon ancien pays a ete deborde
avec des morons et des cous rouges.">


Correspondent:: "Slack Master K.O.N."
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:21:53 -0500

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"kdetal" wrote in message
news:20041114191319.06675.00000506@mb-m15.aol.com...
> There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
> intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things
> that I
> pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop
> citizen
> for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.
>
> This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part
> of
> their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it
> were not
> so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or
> personality
> characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation,
> despite
> the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
> exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and
> who's
> god is the best.
>
> As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it
> perpetuates
> as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as
> fixed
> as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>
> If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?

Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
punished and tortured.
I say "blame everyone and let "Bob" sort them out".




Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:53:00 -0800

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:21:53 -0500, "Slack Master K.O.N."
wrote:

>I say "blame everyone and let "Bob" sort them out".

And you're the first person to say it, too!


--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Come to think of it,
there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters,
and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare."
- Blair Houghton



Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:59:43 -0800

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In article , "Slack Master K.O.N."
wrote:

> "kdetal" wrote in message
> news:20041114191319.06675.00000506@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
> > intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things
> > that I
> > pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop
> > citizen
> > for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.
> >
> > This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part
> > of
> > their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it
> > were not
> > so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or
> > personality
> > characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation,
> > despite
> > the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
> > exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and
> > who's
> > god is the best.
> >
> > As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it
> > perpetuates
> > as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as
> > fixed
> > as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
> >
> > If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
>
> Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
> punished and tortured.
> I say "blame everyone and let "Bob" sort them out".

I blame YOU.

pb


Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:41:49 GMT

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kdetal wrote:
>There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
>intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things that I
>pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop citizen
>for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.
>
>This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part of
>their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it were not
>so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or personality
>characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation, despite
>the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
>exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and who's
>god is the best.
>
>As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
>as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
>as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>
>If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
>--
>"It is the human situation that is basically tragic. Right and Left
>revolutionaries cannot alter this basic dilemma....the most radical Left-wing
>group has no program to overcome death. The entire Right-Left establishment is
>still death oriented."

Mister marvin middle class is really in a stew
Wond’rin’ what the younger generation’s coming to
And the taste of his martini doesn’t please his bitter tongue
Blame it on the rolling stones.

Blame it on the stones; blame it on the stones
You’ll feel so much better, knowing you don’t stand alone
Join the accusation; save the bleeding nation
Get it off your shoulders; blame it on the stones

Mother tells the ladies at the bridge club every day
Of the rising price of tranquilizers she must pay
And she wonders why the children never seem to stay at home
Blame it on the rolling stones.

Blame it on the stones; blame it on the stones
You’ll feel so much better, knowing you don’t stand alone
Join the accusation; save the bleeding nation
Get it off your shoulders; blame it on the stones

Father’s at the office, nightly working all the time
Trying to make the secretary change her little mind
And it bothers him to read about so many broken homes
Blame it on those rolling stones.

Blame it on the stones; blame it on the stones
You’ll feel so much better knowing you don’t stand alone
Join the accusation; same the bleeding nation
Get it off your shoulders; blame it on the stones

Blame it on the stones, blame it on the stones.





Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:22:04 -0800

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On 15 Nov 2004 00:13:19 GMT, kdetal@aol.com (kdetal) wrote:

>There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
>intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things that I
>pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop citizen
>for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.
>
>This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part of
>their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it were not
>so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or personality
>characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation, despite
>the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
>exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and who's
>god is the best.
>
>As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
>as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
>as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>
>If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?

Personally I don't hold it against people that they're stupid.

I don't know if I really believe in "stupid" at all, really. People
have areas of competence, which are related to one another and
strengthen each other where they are related. People develop a
competence in one area and "brightness" seems to be mostly the ability
to apply competence acquired in one area to another area.

What does bother me, and scare me, is people who know they have no
competence at all on a subject but think their opinion about it is
valid anyway. The thread the last couple of days where all these
morons have been holding forth about the nature of Islam has really
been a good example. They KNOW they haven't got a clue what they're
talking about, but really can't see why that might make their opinion
less valid.

It's an effect of Democracy. I really can't think of a better
alternative to democracy, but people come to BELIEVE that their
opinion is as valid as anbyody else's, because that's how democracy
works. They come to ACCEPT that even if they have no clue at all what
they are talking about, their opinion is still valid, as valid as that
of somebody who does know what they're talking about. They are
OFFENDED that anybody would argue otherwise. Isn't that what
democracy is all about? You can be COMPLETELY CLUELESS, but your
opinion still matters!

I posted to that thread blasting people for having a view of world
affiars on a level with comic books, and drew 4 or 5 very indignant
resposes (a large percentage of the people in the thread). Not one of
them tried to argue that they were, in fact, well informed. They were
just mad that I thought that MATTERED.

Every election people take to the streets, urging people to vote, to
make the democratic process work. To not be DISENFRANCHISED. Well I
think that people with no clue should STAY disenfranchised.


It goes beyond voting though. It's a belief system. People really
believe that their opinion is valid, because it's their opinion. They
grasp vaguely that there are people in the world who are
better-informed on a given issue than they are, but they don't think
that MATTERS. When you TAKE IT TO THE VOTE, the PEOPLE WILL SPEAK.

Which is true-but-unfortunate.

But as in so many things ... and it's the one really valuable lesson
in the occult ... what is real is what people believe to be real. We
have taught people that their opinion is not just worth an equal
number of votes to the opinion of somebody better-informed, but is AS
VALUABLE.

Now you and I and anybody who spend any time thinking about it know
that isn't the case.

And ASSUME that people in general will realize this. But people in
general do not think critically. People in general do not examine and
question their lives. People in general form a weltanschauung based
on what they are told is real.

The time has come to STOP enfranchising people. The time has come to
STOP being "up with people". The time has come to try to get across
to ignorant people that they are ignorant, and to get them to accept
this. To STOP thinking of themselves as important little American
citizens.




--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Nations do not have permanent alliances, they have permanent interests"



Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:18:47 GMT

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In article <45agp013qi8e8fei6ud6m26bue0h0c4kcg@4ax.com>,
Zapanaz wrote:

> I posted to that thread blasting people for having a view of world
> affiars on a level with comic books, and drew 4 or 5 very indignant
> resposes (a large percentage of the people in the thread). Not one of
> them tried to argue that they were, in fact, well informed. They were
> just mad that I thought that MATTERED.

Heh, if it was practical, I would offer you a small handful of comic
books that would almost surely change your mind about painting them with
so broad a brush. People like US often write and draw them and many are
well-read, politically-astute cats with real talent and laudable
discipline in their craft. There are varied strata in the field, as with
any other, but the good stuff is quite impressive. Fun and often
thought-provoking surprises abound therein.

Yes, its often oversimplified wish-fulfillment and teen-male power
fantasies, no question, but I appreciate Little Things that peep around
the edges of any venture, even some of the normally debased ones. So
while I agree with you in the fundamental intent of your comment in
context, don't think there aren't some wowser exceptions to be had.

> The time has come to STOP enfranchising people. The time has come to
> STOP being "up with people". The time has come to try to get across
> to ignorant people that they are ignorant, and to get them to accept
> this. To STOP thinking of themselves as important little American
> citizens.

I agree with that. I am sick of people quacking about their "rights,"
since those are often either real blessings that should preclude such
strident harping or misused as carte blanche to dispense with basic
manners that should be the hallmark of a level of civilization that
involves debate and consideration for others' feelings as part of the
entry fee. Not mincing, hand-wringing "liberal" pansyhood, but
Algonquin-Hotel-like interaction that allows for even strong
disagreement without losing sight of the fact that only a WORTHY
opponent makes the process worthwhile.

When someone acts like an asshole and then that "I have a right to..."
phrase pops up as an excuse, I want to clop 'em upside the head with a
frozen shank of beef and say "Based on WHAT, o seeker of psychic
ambrosia?" A little goddamned HUMILITY wouldn't hurt ya a bit. No one
knows it all and if they did, they'd be shitty company.

I once had a friend tell me she felt daunted by "the experts," at which
point I told her of my tenured, psychology-professor brother-in-law who
is well-regarded in his field, but who leaves the TV remote in the
fridge and can't get his socks to match. HAH!

Where I am good, I'm pretty darned good; where I am lacking, Katie bar
the door! In-between, I'm simply trying to do my best and learn as I go
so I can hopefully move up the line a notch further.

Never mind "up with people. That'd be much better served if the focus
was more on "down with hubris" and I say that as a Subgenius who is
BETTER than you, eieieieieie!!! You may now kiss my ring... my cock
ring.

--

HellPope Huey
I want for Donald Trump's prostate
to grow to the size of a weather balloon

"If you can't do business with the evil and the greedy,
then who CAN you do business with?"
- "Tripping the Rift"

Useful phrases for the next 4 years, part 3:
"I am a political refugee. The reason?
My former country has been overrun
with morons and rednecks."
<"Je suis un refugee politique. La raison?
Mon ancien pays a ete deborde
avec des morons et des cous rouges.">


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:04:15 -0800

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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:18:47 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:

>In article <45agp013qi8e8fei6ud6m26bue0h0c4kcg@4ax.com>,
> Zapanaz wrote:
>
>> I posted to that thread blasting people for having a view of world
>> affiars on a level with comic books, and drew 4 or 5 very indignant
>> resposes (a large percentage of the people in the thread). Not one of
>> them tried to argue that they were, in fact, well informed. They were
>> just mad that I thought that MATTERED.
>
> Heh, if it was practical, I would offer you a small handful of comic
>books that would almost surely change your mind about painting them with
>so broad a brush. People like US often write and draw them and many are
>well-read, politically-astute cats with real talent and laudable
>discipline in their craft. There are varied strata in the field, as with
>any other, but the good stuff is quite impressive. Fun and often
>thought-provoking surprises abound therein.
>

Well that's true enough. I guess I should have said "Donald Duck
comic books" or something.

If people got their comic-book view of the world from Alan Moore we
would be a little better off.

> Yes, its often oversimplified wish-fulfillment and teen-male power
>fantasies, no question, but I appreciate Little Things that peep around
>the edges of any venture, even some of the normally debased ones. So
>while I agree with you in the fundamental intent of your comment in
>context, don't think there aren't some wowser exceptions to be had.
>
>> The time has come to STOP enfranchising people. The time has come to
>> STOP being "up with people". The time has come to try to get across
>> to ignorant people that they are ignorant, and to get them to accept
>> this. To STOP thinking of themselves as important little American
>> citizens.
>
> I agree with that. I am sick of people quacking about their "rights,"
>since those are often either real blessings that should preclude such
>strident harping or misused as carte blanche to dispense with basic
>manners that should be the hallmark of a level of civilization that
>involves debate and consideration for others' feelings as part of the
>entry fee. Not mincing, hand-wringing "liberal" pansyhood, but
>Algonquin-Hotel-like interaction that allows for even strong
>disagreement without losing sight of the fact that only a WORTHY
>opponent makes the process worthwhile.
>
> When someone acts like an asshole and then that "I have a right to..."
>phrase pops up as an excuse, I want to clop 'em upside the head with a
>frozen shank of beef and say "Based on WHAT, o seeker of psychic
>ambrosia?" A little goddamned HUMILITY wouldn't hurt ya a bit. No one
>knows it all and if they did, they'd be shitty company.
>
> I once had a friend tell me she felt daunted by "the experts," at which
>point I told her of my tenured, psychology-professor brother-in-law who
>is well-regarded in his field, but who leaves the TV remote in the
>fridge and can't get his socks to match. HAH!
>
> Where I am good, I'm pretty darned good; where I am lacking, Katie bar
>the door! In-between, I'm simply trying to do my best and learn as I go
>so I can hopefully move up the line a notch further.
>
> Never mind "up with people. That'd be much better served if the focus
>was more on "down with hubris" and I say that as a Subgenius who is
>BETTER than you, eieieieieie!!! You may now kiss my ring... my cock
>ring.

There are rights that protect what people do in private, which I am
all in favor of. But then there are rights that protect what people
get in my face with ... which is different.

The latter is a form of power ... and power is never a good thing to
give an idiot.


--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"I just got sick of the bullshit"
- Howard Beale



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:27:10 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:18:47 GMT, HellPope Huey
> wrote:
>
>>In article <45agp013qi8e8fei6ud6m26bue0h0c4kcg@4ax.com>,
>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>>> I posted to that thread blasting people for having a view of world
>>> affiars on a level with comic books, and drew 4 or 5 very indignant
>>> resposes (a large percentage of the people in the thread). Not one of
>>> them tried to argue that they were, in fact, well informed. They were
>>> just mad that I thought that MATTERED.
>>
>> Heh, if it was practical, I would offer you a small handful of comic
>>books that would almost surely change your mind about painting them with
>>so broad a brush. People like US often write and draw them and many are
>>well-read, politically-astute cats with real talent and laudable
>>discipline in their craft. There are varied strata in the field, as with
>>any other, but the good stuff is quite impressive. Fun and often
>>thought-provoking surprises abound therein.
>>
>
>Well that's true enough. I guess I should have said "Donald Duck
>comic books" or something.
>
>If people got their comic-book view of the world from Alan Moore we
>would be a little better off.
>
>> Yes, its often oversimplified wish-fulfillment and teen-male power
>>fantasies, no question, but I appreciate Little Things that peep around
>>the edges of any venture, even some of the normally debased ones. So
>>while I agree with you in the fundamental intent of your comment in
>>context, don't think there aren't some wowser exceptions to be had.
>>
>>> The time has come to STOP enfranchising people. The time has come to
>>> STOP being "up with people". The time has come to try to get across
>>> to ignorant people that they are ignorant, and to get them to accept
>>> this. To STOP thinking of themselves as important little American
>>> citizens.
>>
>> I agree with that. I am sick of people quacking about their "rights,"
>>since those are often either real blessings that should preclude such
>>strident harping or misused as carte blanche to dispense with basic
>>manners that should be the hallmark of a level of civilization that
>>involves debate and consideration for others' feelings as part of the
>>entry fee. Not mincing, hand-wringing "liberal" pansyhood, but
>>Algonquin-Hotel-like interaction that allows for even strong
>>disagreement without losing sight of the fact that only a WORTHY
>>opponent makes the process worthwhile.
>>
>> When someone acts like an asshole and then that "I have a right to..."
>>phrase pops up as an excuse, I want to clop 'em upside the head with a
>>frozen shank of beef and say "Based on WHAT, o seeker of psychic
>>ambrosia?" A little goddamned HUMILITY wouldn't hurt ya a bit. No one
>>knows it all and if they did, they'd be shitty company.
>>
>> I once had a friend tell me she felt daunted by "the experts," at which
>>point I told her of my tenured, psychology-professor brother-in-law who
>>is well-regarded in his field, but who leaves the TV remote in the
>>fridge and can't get his socks to match. HAH!
>>
>> Where I am good, I'm pretty darned good; where I am lacking, Katie bar
>>the door! In-between, I'm simply trying to do my best and learn as I go
>>so I can hopefully move up the line a notch further.
>>
>> Never mind "up with people. That'd be much better served if the focus
>>was more on "down with hubris" and I say that as a Subgenius who is
>>BETTER than you, eieieieieie!!! You may now kiss my ring... my cock
>>ring.
>
>There are rights that protect what people do in private, which I am
>all in favor of. But then there are rights that protect what people
>get in my face with ... which is different.
>
>The latter is a form of power ... and power is never a good thing to
>give an idiot.

All power to the idiots!
I mean, all power to the people!

It's sort of like adding water to sea monkeys;
just add water, and watch the fun begin!





Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:42:24 GMT

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In article ,
Zapanaz wrote:

> If people got their comic-book view of the world from Alan Moore we
> would be a little better off.

Or mostly DEAD, which would make innumerable migrating Canadian geese
EVER so much happier. Plus the place would smell a LOT better within a
fortnight.

--

HellPope Huey
I want for Donald Trump's prostate
to grow to the size of a weather balloon

"If you can't do business with the evil and the greedy,
then who CAN you do business with?"
- "Tripping the Rift"

Useful phrases for the next 4 years, part 3:
"I am a political refugee. The reason?
My former country has been overrun
with morons and rednecks."
<"Je suis un refugee politique. La raison?
Mon ancien pays a ete deborde
avec des morons et des cous rouges.">


Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:54:08 GMT

--------
Zapanaz wrote:
>On 15 Nov 2004 00:13:19 GMT, kdetal@aol.com (kdetal) wrote:
>
>>There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
>>intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things that I
>>pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop citizen
>>for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.
>>
>>This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part of
>>their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it were not
>>so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or personality
>>characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation, despite
>>the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
>>exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and who's
>>god is the best.
>>
>>As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
>>as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
>>as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>>
>>If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
>
>Personally I don't hold it against people that they're stupid.
>
>I don't know if I really believe in "stupid" at all, really. People
>have areas of competence, which are related to one another and
>strengthen each other where they are related. People develop a
>competence in one area and "brightness" seems to be mostly the ability
>to apply competence acquired in one area to another area.
>
>What does bother me, and scare me, is people who know they have no
>competence at all on a subject but think their opinion about it is
>valid anyway. The thread the last couple of days where all these
>morons have been holding forth about the nature of Islam has really
>been a good example. They KNOW they haven't got a clue what they're
>talking about, but really can't see why that might make their opinion
>less valid.
>
>It's an effect of Democracy. I really can't think of a better
>alternative to democracy, but people come to BELIEVE that their
>opinion is as valid as anbyody else's, because that's how democracy
>works. They come to ACCEPT that even if they have no clue at all what
>they are talking about, their opinion is still valid, as valid as that
>of somebody who does know what they're talking about. They are
>OFFENDED that anybody would argue otherwise. Isn't that what
>democracy is all about? You can be COMPLETELY CLUELESS, but your
>opinion still matters!
>
>I posted to that thread blasting people for having a view of world
>affiars on a level with comic books, and drew 4 or 5 very indignant
>resposes (a large percentage of the people in the thread). Not one of
>them tried to argue that they were, in fact, well informed. They were
>just mad that I thought that MATTERED.
>
>Every election people take to the streets, urging people to vote, to
>make the democratic process work. To not be DISENFRANCHISED. Well I
>think that people with no clue should STAY disenfranchised.
>
>
>It goes beyond voting though. It's a belief system. People really
>believe that their opinion is valid, because it's their opinion. They
>grasp vaguely that there are people in the world who are
>better-informed on a given issue than they are, but they don't think
>that MATTERS. When you TAKE IT TO THE VOTE, the PEOPLE WILL SPEAK.
>
>Which is true-but-unfortunate.
>
>But as in so many things ... and it's the one really valuable lesson
>in the occult ... what is real is what people believe to be real. We
>have taught people that their opinion is not just worth an equal
>number of votes to the opinion of somebody better-informed, but is AS
>VALUABLE.
>
>Now you and I and anybody who spend any time thinking about it know
>that isn't the case.
>
>And ASSUME that people in general will realize this. But people in
>general do not think critically. People in general do not examine and
>question their lives. People in general form a weltanschauung based
>on what they are told is real.
>
>The time has come to STOP enfranchising people.

Top Domino's Franchisee Frank Meeks Dies

By Joe Holley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 15, 2004; Page B05

Frank Meeks, whose enthusiasm for pizza, politics and promotion garnered him an extra-large slice of the local pizza-delivery market and whose Domino's Pizza franchise, known as "Team Washington," often delivered to the White House, the Pentagon and Congress, died Nov. 9 of complications from pneumonia at Sibley Memorial Hospital. He was 48 and lived in Mount Vernon.

Mr. Meeks, who owned 60 Domino's Pizza operations in the area, was often in the public eye with his off-the-wall antics, political predictions and creative promotions. In December, for example, he announced that the Pizza Meter -- an unscientific poll that examines the relationship between pizza orders and public events -- found that the top fake name used that year by people ordering pizza was Paris Hilton, the hotel heiress.

The meter also found that the night of Saddam Hussein's capture was the biggest tipping night of the year and that the Washington Redskins order more pizza than any other NFL team.

"P.R. is not as important as the quality of pizza and the service, but it gets people's attention," Mr. Meeks told The Washington Post this year. "It's made Washington, D.C., one of the strongest markets for Domino's Pizza in the world."

Mr. Meeks enjoyed pointing out that his stores have delivered pizza to five U.S. presidents. He claimed that pizza delivery was something of a barometer for major political and military decisions, noting the short-term increases in deliveries to government offices on nights prior to the invasion of Grenada and the start of the Persian Gulf War.

During the first government shutdown in 1995, then-Senate Majority Whip Trent Lott, an old friend and fellow Mississippian, called Mr. Meeks late one night to say Republican senators were caucusing and had no place to eat. Mr. Meeks delivered the pizzas himself.

He did the same thing in 1997 when White House negotiators were working with Republican congressional leaders to craft a balanced budget. "Newt Gingrich said . . . he was going to break his diet," Mr. Meeks said sometime later.

Mr. Meeks, an ardent Republican, claimed that particular delivery precipitated the Monica Lewinsky affair. It was the White House intern who reported to President Clinton that the pizza had arrived.

Politics brought Mr. Meeks to Washington. Born in Hattiesburg, Miss., he grew up in Gulfport and graduated from the University of Southern Mississippi, where he majored in political science and English and was elected student body president. He planned to go to law school, but in 1979 he borrowed his mother's car and became a pizza deliveryman for Domino's in Biloxi to defray education costs. Soon after becoming a store manager, he decided that being "a pizza guy" was his future. His parents were "kind of horrified," he recalled in 1998.

In 1972, he had coordinated the youth vote for Lott, then an unknown attorney in Pascagoula, Miss., who was running for a congressional seat in his first try for public office. When Lott won, Mr. Meeks moved to Washington to work as his congressional aide.

After working in Lott's office from 1981 to 1983, Mr. Meeks returned full time to Domino's, a privately owned company based in Ann Arbor, Mich., and was awarded the franchise rights for Northern Virginia, Maryland and the District. He was 26.

Although area banks told him the District was too sophisticated to eat delivered pizza, he knew from his experience on Capitol Hill that there was a ready market in the area because of the many single people and households in which both parents worked.

He operated his business from his home and opened his first store in July 1983, on Duke Street in Alexandria. Four years later, he owned more Domino's locations than any other franchisee in the system.

Mr. Meeks ran his business with something of a rah-rah spirit reminiscent of his college days. Instead of regular weekly business meetings, he held pep rallies, followed by a 10K run with the company's managers.

A fitness buff, he once was asked why he made his living as a purveyor of what many consider junk food. His response was that pizza was one of the healthiest fast foods and that a pizza with meat and vegetables offered all four food groups.

In 1991, Mr. Meeks, then 34, tried to buy Domino's Pizza Inc., from its founder, Tom Monaghan, and move the company to the Washington area. Monaghan, who wanted $1.2 billion for the company, sold it in 1998 to a Boston-based equity investment firm.

In a 1998 interview with The Post, Monaghan described Mr. Meeks as "the greatest franchisee in the history of Domino's."

He was active in numerous philanthropic efforts, including the Children's National Medical Center, Food & Friends and local Little League, and awarded scholarships to his franchise's outstanding team members.

Mr. Meeks was active in Northern Virginia Republican politics. He was a strong financial supporter of J. Marshall Coleman when Coleman ran for governor in 1989 against L. Douglas Wilder, and there was talk among Republican Party leaders in the early 1990s that he might run for Congress. He told The Post in 1991 that he had put aside that dream. "I wouldn't take such a demotion," he said. "It's more profitable to be a pizza delivery boy than a congressman."

Survivors include his mother, Janice Meeks of Woodstock, Ga.; and a brother, Jimmy Meeks of Alexandria.

© 2004 The Washington Post Company



Correspondent:: "Slack Master K.O.N."
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:21:46 -0500

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MMM Domino's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My personal favourite (along with 7-11 chilli/cheese pumper dogs)
last year I ate domino's 5 days a week!
I even found a domino's in Greece! Not quite as good as the Canadian
Domino's but hey.




Correspondent:: drdark@37.com (DoktorDark)
Date: 15 Nov 2004 10:48:25 -0800

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Zapanaz wrote in message

> The time has come to STOP enfranchising people. The time has come to
> STOP being "up with people". The time has come to try to get across
> to ignorant people that they are ignorant, and to get them to accept
> this. To STOP thinking of themselves as important little American
> citizens.

That's right. And, ignorant or idiot savant, if properly seasoned,
they ALL make good stew.


Correspondent:: rlan538885@aol.comnobozos (RLan538885)
Date: 15 Nov 2004 20:09:24 GMT

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>That's right. And, ignorant or idiot savant, if properly seasoned,
>they ALL make good stew.
>

I disagree. Republicans tend to be somewhat bitter and gamey.


"100,000 lemmings can't be wrong."



Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:24:49 GMT

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In article <20041114191319.06675.00000506@mb-m15.aol.com>,
kdetal@aol.com (kdetal) wrote:

> As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it
> perpetuates as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as
> fixed as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
> > If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?

Its too late for such niceties. I've already made a grotesque marimba
from the dried skulls of 4 octaves' worth of them and I use nunchakus as
the mallets. Look for my float at the next Mardi Gras; I'll be throwing
people "beads" made from their kidney stones. Never let it be said that
the Subgenius is an underacheiver.

--

HellPope Huey
DobbsCo. Magic Magnifying Funhouse Mirror
("Makes things appear more Slackful than they really are.")

Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane.
Philip K. Dick, "Valis"

"The sky is falling; damage estimate to follow."
- "The West Wing"


Correspondent:: drdark@37.com (DoktorDark)
Date: 19 Nov 2004 13:11:03 -0800

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If Pop wouldn't have popped his rocks in Mom, there would be no Mon &
Pop to blame. So I guess that the fundies are right: ABSTAIN, NOT CUM
STAIN!