Kinsey
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:02:34 GMT
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Only once a month in the closet with the lights out with your
Church-sanctioned opposite-sex insignificant other.
or
"Why Don't We Do It in the Road"
No one will be watching us
Why don't we do it in the road?
washingtonpost.com
Conservative Christians Protest Movie on Kinsey
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 22, 2004; Page A03
Conservative Christian groups across the country are protesting a film
about the life of sex researcher Alfred C. Kinsey, calling it a
Hollywood whitewash of the man they hold largely responsible for the
sexual revolution and a panoply of related ills, from high divorce rates
to AIDS and child abuse.
Wary that too visible a controversy could help the film at the box
office, most of the groups are not calling for a boycott or picketing
outside theaters in Washington and a dozen other cities where "Kinsey,"
starring Liam Neeson in the title role, opened on Friday.
Instead, such groups as Focus on the Family and Concerned Women for
America are using more subtle, highbrow tactics against the third
Hollywood release in a year that has instantly become a cultural
dividing line, after Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" and
Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."
"For those who think of people of faith as poor, uneducated and easy to
command, I'm sure it would be amusing to see people praying outside of
theaters," said Focus on the Family spokeswoman Kristi Hamrick. "But we
want to have a serious intellectual conversation about who Kinsey was
and what he did."
Robert Knight, director of the conservative Culture and Family Institute
in Washington, said evangelical Christian and Roman Catholic groups also
want to bring to bear the political clout they demonstrated in the
presidential election.
"Just as Reagan was not content to contain communism but announced a
rollback, pro-family organizations are not content to protest the latest
outrage anymore, but will seek legislation and will punish sponsors of
lewd entertainment," he said.
Knight acknowledged, however, that some opponents of the Kinsey film may
be reluctant to try to punish its distributor, Fox Searchlight, owned by
conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch.
"Fox has a schizophrenic personality. Conservatives appreciate Fox news
channel for bringing balance, but the Fox entertainment network, on the
other hand, has clearly been the leader in driving TV into the sewer
with its non-stop sexual emphasis," he said.
Focus on the Family, the Colorado-based broadcasting empire of
psychologist James Dobson, has been working for nearly two years -- ever
since it learned that director Bill Condon was planning to make the film
-- to enlist scholars outside the evangelical Christian community to
help "debunk" Kinsey's research, Hamrick said.
Prominent among them is Judith Reisman, author of the 1991 book "Kinsey,
Sex and Fraud." Citing her work, Concerned Women for America, the
nation's largest women's group, has encouraged its members to go to
theaters and politely hand out leaflets that accuse Kinsey, who died in
1956, of committing child sexual abuse as well as scientific fraud.
Kinsey was a "massive criminal" who cooked his statistical data and
based many of his purported findings on interviews with convicted sex
offenders, Reisman said in an interview.
"He found pedophiles all over the country, sought them out and
encouraged them to engage in sex with children and report on it to him,"
she said.
Reisman noted that she had seen only the first 15 minutes of the film
because the producers cut off a private screening in Los Angeles as soon
as they learned she was in the audience. But she said she closely
followed the movie's filming and was certain it was "a coverup."
"The film effectively treats Kinsey as a tragic hero, a scientist -- a
wacko scientist, perhaps, but a scientist. Kinsey was never a
scientist," she said. "He was a change agent -- the most significant
agent of change in American cultural life in the 20th century. The
consequences of this sexual adventurism include AIDS, sexually
transmitted diseases, child sexual abuse, incest and pornography."
On the other side of the cultural barricades, the film's promoters have
lined up an array of opposing experts. Jennifer Bass, a spokeswoman for
the institute that Kinsey founded at Indiana University, said it is true
that he interviewed prisoners and prostitutes.
But he and his collaborators "also spoke to women's garden clubs and
parent-teacher organizations, church groups, nurses' groups, the
Salvation Army staff and travelers on trains" -- about 18,000 subjects
in all from 1938 to 1963, she said.
Biographer James H. Jones, whose "Alfred C. Kinsey: A Public/Private
Life" was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 1998, said that "in his
eagerness to learn everything he could about human sexuality, Kinsey was
a vacuum cleaner, and he had absolutely no standards about censorship or
passing moral judgment."
There is no denying, he added, that Kinsey's samples were imperfect. But
the Harvard-trained entomologist was "a rigorous scientist to his
fingertips," and there is no evidence that he was a pedophile or that he
knowingly cooked his books, Jones said.
"I do see him as a principal architect of the sexual revolution," Jones
said. "But as a historian, I also know that it is silly to put all of
this at his door. The times were changing, but Kinsey also helped to
change the times."
© 2004 The Washington Post Company
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT
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König Prüß wrote:
> Only once a month in the closet with the lights out with your
> Church-sanctioned opposite-sex insignificant other.
> or
> "Why Don't We Do It in the Road"
> No one will be watching us
> Why don't we do it in the road?
>
> washingtonpost.com
> Conservative Christians Protest Movie on Kinsey
>
> By Alan Cooperman
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Monday, November 22, 2004; Page A03
>
>
> Conservative Christian groups across the country are protesting a film
[snip]
You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
hardly news any more.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:15:05 GMT
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> König Prüß wrote:
> > Only once a month in the closet with the lights out with your
> > Church-sanctioned opposite-sex insignificant other.
> > or
> > "Why Don't We Do It in the Road"
> > No one will be watching us
> > Why don't we do it in the road?
> >
> > washingtonpost.com
> > Conservative Christians Protest Movie on Kinsey
> >
> > By Alan Cooperman
> > Washington Post Staff Writer
> > Monday, November 22, 2004; Page A03
> >
> >
> > Conservative Christian groups across the country are protesting a film
> [snip]
>
> You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
> hardly news any more.
From time to time, someone should explain what happened to the Shakers
to these bastards. Sure, fucking is nasty business! Eeeeeeeuuuuuwwwww!
It's evidently an acquired taste for some people, and if they ain't got a
taste
for what it takes to get the job done, they should just shut-up and play
bingo
and become extinct.
But shit! It galls the hell out of me that you can trot out some controversy
from years gone by, and flog a few more miles out of it, and make a few
more bucks. You know who's behind this? It's probably the "Strength
Through Joy" crowd, huh? Not!
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:08:23 -0800
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
>hardly news any more.
It's hardly even ironic any more.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 19,000 vacuum
tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only
1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps only weigh 1.5 tons.
- Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:15:59 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
>>hardly news any more.
>
> It's hardly even ironic any more.
If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:49:11 GMT
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> Zapanaz wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> > wrote:
> >
> >>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
> >>hardly news any more.
> >
> > It's hardly even ironic any more.
>
> If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
Well, OK then. I' tell the newspaper to stop publishing this
kind of non-news story. Sheesh! I didn't see it coming!
Kinsey is old news. Not as old as Hitler, but still gets
some response from the reactionaries, eh?
I mean, it won't get the reaction that Mel Gibson's
Jesus movie got, and I doubt that the churches will
hand out free tickets, although it couldn't hurt.
Such a deal!
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:58:39 GMT
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König Prüß wrote:
>
> Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>
>> Zapanaz wrote:
>> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
>> >>hardly news any more.
>> >
>> > It's hardly even ironic any more.
>>
>> If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
>
> Well, OK then. I' tell the newspaper to stop publishing this
> kind of non-news story. Sheesh! I didn't see it coming!
> Kinsey is old news. Not as old as Hitler, but still gets
> some response from the reactionaries, eh?
> I mean, it won't get the reaction that Mel Gibson's
> Jesus movie got, and I doubt that the churches will
> hand out free tickets, although it couldn't hurt.
> Such a deal!
I think the best way for us to honor Kinsey's memory is for each of us
to conduct our own independent and informal research in an attempt to
learn everything we personally can about human sexual response.
Semirelated trivia: Dr. Virginia Johnson, of Masters and Johnson fame,
was born and raised in my city.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:00:47 GMT
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> König Prüß wrote:
> >
> > Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> >
> >> Zapanaz wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
> >> >>hardly news any more.
> >> >
> >> > It's hardly even ironic any more.
> >>
> >> If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
> >
> > Well, OK then. I' tell the newspaper to stop publishing this
> > kind of non-news story. Sheesh! I didn't see it coming!
> > Kinsey is old news. Not as old as Hitler, but still gets
> > some response from the reactionaries, eh?
> > I mean, it won't get the reaction that Mel Gibson's
> > Jesus movie got, and I doubt that the churches will
> > hand out free tickets, although it couldn't hurt.
> > Such a deal!
>
> I think the best way for us to honor Kinsey's memory is for each of us
> to conduct our own independent and informal research in an attempt to
> learn everything we personally can about human sexual response.
>
> Semirelated trivia: Dr. Virginia Johnson, of Masters and Johnson fame,
> was born and raised in my city.
As a result of sex, no doubt.
Correspondent:: bobdiddley@aol.com (3D Bob Not Diddley)
Date: 23 Nov 2004 22:48:28 GMT
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>Zapanaz wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>> wrote:
>>
>>>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
>>>hardly news any more.
>>
>> It's hardly even ironic any more.
>
>If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
>
Fundamentalism is a misnomer - Trivialism would be more to the point - they
usually don't give a fig what Jesus or JHVH-1 said or did, they just latch onto
one passing detail, and try to work up some all-encompassing world domination
thing from that. Isn't THAT not ironic?
=========================================================
"Money talks, and bullshit sings the blues." Dobbs Biddley
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:51:19 -0800
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On 23 Nov 2004 22:48:28 GMT, bobdiddley@aol.com (3D Bob Not Diddley)
wrote:
>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
>>>>hardly news any more.
>>>
>>> It's hardly even ironic any more.
>>
>>If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
>>
>Fundamentalism is a misnomer - Trivialism would be more to the point - they
>usually don't give a fig what Jesus or JHVH-1 said or did, they just latch onto
>one passing detail, and try to work up some all-encompassing world domination
>thing from that. Isn't THAT not ironic?
You know at some point back in the stone age there were some people in
the tribe who said "OOK! Maybe it not matter if we throw virgin in
volcano. Maybe it not such a great idea. Running out of virgins".
And there were others in the tribe who were infuriated by that and
said "OOK OOK! IF THROWING VIRGINS INTO VOLCANO WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR
MY GRAN PAPPY, IT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!" And, more importantly, for
YOU.
What's the word for THAT.
That's what a fundamentalist is. The same mother fuckers who have
been trying to stop social change of any form since the dawn of man.
Whether it's a muslim who gets hysterical at the thought of a woman
without her veil or a European doctor in the 19th century proving
scientifically that if women are allowed to think their brains will
overheat and they will die.
They are the enemies of progress and improvement. It may sound
melodramatic but it's the simple truth. It's all they are and all
they amount to.
If we listened to them, we would still be throwing virgins into the
volcano and sacrificing eldest sons and burning bulls for the great
God Wahooby. They are always wrong and it is always wrong to give in
to them.
They are stupidity organized and personified. They are the
representation of mindless prejudice and superstition.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
We didn't MEAN to kill ANY of them.
- Semi-official Subgenius Motto (www.subgenius.com)
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:07:48 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2004 22:48:28 GMT, bobdiddley@aol.com (3D Bob Not Diddley)
> wrote:
>
>>>Zapanaz wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:05 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You know, conservative Christian groups protesting something idiotic is
>>>>>hardly news any more.
>>>>
>>>> It's hardly even ironic any more.
>>>
>>>If you share my views on fundamentalism, it never was.
>>>
>>Fundamentalism is a misnomer - Trivialism would be more to the point - they
>>usually don't give a fig what Jesus or JHVH-1 said or did, they just latch onto
>>one passing detail, and try to work up some all-encompassing world domination
>>thing from that. Isn't THAT not ironic?
>
> You know at some point back in the stone age there were some people in
> the tribe who said "OOK! Maybe it not matter if we throw virgin in
> volcano. Maybe it not such a great idea. Running out of virgins".
> And there were others in the tribe who were infuriated by that and
> said "OOK OOK! IF THROWING VIRGINS INTO VOLCANO WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR
> MY GRAN PAPPY, IT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!" And, more importantly, for
> YOU.
>
> What's the word for THAT.
"Conservative."
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:48:52 GMT
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In article <41A229B8.D5C1DD0B@ranunculus.org>,
König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
> Conservative Christian groups across the country are protesting a film
> about the life of sex researcher Alfred C. Kinsey, calling it a
> Hollywood whitewash of the man they hold largely responsible for the
> sexual revolution and a panoply of related ills, from high divorce rates
> to AIDS and child abuse.
The only thing those mufuggin' conservative Christian groups DO
(besides sit there with a walnut between their cheeks, trying to crack
it with the strength of Jebus' luv) is protest anything not dedicated to
the production of walnuts. They can hold my DONG while I pee in the
baptismal. That damned tank has caused more trouble than all the coke in
Peru.
--
HellPope Huey
In real life, I am a warm and playful companion
hampered only by being a telekinetic alcoholic.
I never have to pay for a drop.
"You haven't hit rock bottom
until you've fought off three other drunks
to suck on a Hungarian booby-pickle."
- "The Drew Carey Show"
"They'll let anyone foster a kid.
They'd let me and I'm 100 years old and a Communist to boot."
- Don Rickles, "The Wool Cap"
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:48:32 GMT
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HellPope Huey wrote:
> In article <41A229B8.D5C1DD0B@ranunculus.org>,
> König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
>
> > Conservative Christian groups across the country are protesting a film
> > about the life of sex researcher Alfred C. Kinsey, calling it a
> > Hollywood whitewash of the man they hold largely responsible for the
> > sexual revolution and a panoply of related ills, from high divorce rates
> > to AIDS and child abuse.
>
> The only thing those mufuggin' conservative Christian groups DO
> (besides sit there with a walnut between their cheeks, trying to crack
> it with the strength of Jebus' luv) is protest anything not dedicated to
> the production of walnuts. They can hold my DONG while I pee in the
> baptismal. That damned tank has caused more trouble than all the coke in
> Peru.
Goddammit! They ARE tight-asses!
I just had to watch Billy Graham cracker on TeeVee,
and if I had a shotgun, I would have rebuked and reviled
the Goddam tellievision just like Elvis did!
Since the X-tians are such tight-asses,
I am sorely tempted to bend them over
and give the what fer! With a goat dick.