Quantum Quandary

Correspondent:: "iDRMRSR"
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:07:06 -0500

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The speed of light is a constant.

The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???

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Correspondent:: "Rev. Beergoggles"
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:27:38 -0600

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iDRMRSR did pass the time by typing:
> The speed of light is a constant.
>
> The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???

Up till it isn't, silly.

--
rbg




Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0700

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iDRMRSR wrote:
>
> The speed of light is a constant.
>
> The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???
>

For as long as you are relative to it.

Speed is a function of space-time. If you
alter space then time adjusts to that
alteration. If you are within the altered
space, the speed of light would seem to
remain constant. If you are outside of the
altered space, the speed of light would seem
to be faster or slower than normal.

This raises a question. A tachyon is a
hypothetical form of energy that is defined
as going faster than the speed of light. If
energy cannot go faster than the speed of
light, then tachyons do not exist. But if
they just *seem*, relativistically, to go
faster than the speed of light, technically
they do not violate that limitation. They
are not *really* tachyons, even though they
look like tachyons.

So here's the question: if energy appears
to go faster than the speed of light, because
it is in an altered space-time, what does it
look like to someone in normal space-time?

What does a faux-tachyon look like?


--
Herring communicate with each other
via a high-pitched, "raspberry"-like
sound emitted from their anuses.
These noises are not produced by
digestive gases.
-- from 'The New Scientist'


Correspondent:: "c-bee1"
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 03:57:08 GMT

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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
news:41A01072.66F0@succeeds.com...
> iDRMRSR wrote:
> >
> > The speed of light is a constant.
> >
> > The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???
> >
>
> For as long as you are relative to it.
>
> Speed is a function of space-time. If you
> alter space then time adjusts to that
> alteration. If you are within the altered
> space, the speed of light would seem to
> remain constant. If you are outside of the
> altered space, the speed of light would seem
> to be faster or slower than normal.
>
> This raises a question. A tachyon is a
> hypothetical form of energy that is defined
> as going faster than the speed of light. If
> energy cannot go faster than the speed of
> light, then tachyons do not exist. But if
> they just *seem*, relativistically, to go
> faster than the speed of light, technically
> they do not violate that limitation. They
> are not *really* tachyons, even though they
> look like tachyons.
>
> So here's the question: if energy appears
> to go faster than the speed of light, because
> it is in an altered space-time, what does it
> look like to someone in normal space-time?

Early.




Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:36:41 -0800

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:

>This raises a question. A tachyon is a
>hypothetical form of energy that is defined
>as going faster than the speed of light. If
>energy cannot go faster than the speed of
>light, then tachyons do not exist. But if
>they just *seem*, relativistically, to go
>faster than the speed of light, technically
>they do not violate that limitation. They
>are not *really* tachyons, even though they
>look like tachyons.
>

But it's simple. It goes backwards in time.

Time is what yuou measure with a clock. to measure anything wiht a
clock, you have to look at it. To look at it, light has to move from
it to you. Therefore nothing can go faster than light.

That's the beauty of Einstein. It's completely insane but it works.


>So here's the question: if energy appears
>to go faster than the speed of light, because
>it is in an altered space-time, what does it
>look like to someone in normal space-time?
>
>What does a faux-tachyon look like?

What does it TASTE like?

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.
- Emo



Correspondent:: Don Radford
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:18:38 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
> wrote:
>
>>What does a faux-tachyon look like?
>
>
> What does it TASTE like?

Chicken.

--
Art and Fashion for the New Conspiracy

http://www.cafepress.com/luciddragon

the Mystical RevvedErrand Rockin' Don Radford
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:31:46 GMT

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In article <4n60q01ns581499frimkjt11bedkf8vppb@4ax.com>,
Zapanaz wrote:

> That's the beauty of Einstein. It's completely insane but it works.

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about my brain. I keep
expecting it to explode like an outtake from "Scanners" any day now, but
so far, its still churning and sparking as usual. I smell ozone a lot,
but I'm used to that part. I just have to be careful when I am filling
my gas tank or BOOM BOOM, out go the lights.

--

HellPope Huey
If we could just get everyone to close his eyes for an hour
and imagine world peace,
think of how serene and quiet it would be
until the looting started.

"I don't need matches to burn stuff down.
All I need is these two hands
and a lack of adult supervision."
- "That 70s Show"

Setting a good example for children
takes all the fun out of middle age.
- William Feather


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:32:49 -0800

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:31:46 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:

>In article <4n60q01ns581499frimkjt11bedkf8vppb@4ax.com>,
> Zapanaz wrote:
>
>> That's the beauty of Einstein. It's completely insane but it works.
>
> Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about my brain. I keep
>expecting it to explode like an outtake from "Scanners" any day now, but
>so far, its still churning and sparking as usual. I smell ozone a lot,
>but I'm used to that part. I just have to be careful when I am filling
>my gas tank or BOOM BOOM, out go the lights.

It could be worse. You could be Einstein. -You- just -think- you're
insane. But you kind of wonder if you have a kind of hyper-sanity of
your own, too. But Einstein PROVED it. And he not only proved that
HE was insane, he proved that the UNIVERSE was too.

So they gave him a Nobel prize.

See, until light reaches your brain, maybe you are insane, but WHEN
are you insane? If you can just avoid looking at clocks you'll be
fine.

http://joecosby.com/pic/wingclock.png



--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"If people psychically WILL us to beat their ass, I don't see how
that's OUR fault."
- apostate Saint Janor Hypercleets



Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (kdetal)
Date: 21 Nov 2004 16:41:33 GMT

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>On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:50:10 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
> wrote:
>
>>This raises a question. A tachyon is a
>>hypothetical form of energy that is defined
>>as going faster than the speed of light. If
>>energy cannot go faster than the speed of
>>light, then tachyons do not exist. But if
>>they just *seem*, relativistically, to go
>>faster than the speed of light, technically
>>they do not violate that limitation. They
>>are not *really* tachyons, even though they
>>look like tachyons.
>>So here's the question: if energy appears
>>to go faster than the speed of light, because
>>it is in an altered space-time, what does it
>>look like to someone in normal space-time?

I bet someone smarter than me could take this tangentally related info from
Wikipedia and it to your question in such a way as to give some sort of
answer.


"Near a black hole, the time dilation increases to a large degree. From the
point of view of an external observer, it appears to take an infinite amount of
time for an object to approach the event horizon, at which point the light
coming from it is infinitely red-shifted. To the distant observer, it appears
that that the object, falling more and more slowly, approaches but never
reaches the event horizon (i.e., takes an infinite amount of time to reach it).
From the point of view of the infalling object itself, however, it will take a
finite time to cross the event horizon and reach the singularity.


The singularity
At the center of the event horizon is a singularity, a place where general
relativity predicts that spacetime becomes infinitely curved (i.e., where
gravity becomes infinitely strong). Spacetime inside the event horizon is
peculiar in that the singularity is literally the only possible future, so all
particles within the event horizon must move inexorably towards it (Penrose and
Hawking)"
--
"I AM Evil!
"No, your boring, which is worse."



Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:38:16 GMT

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In article <20041121114133.16189.00001095@mb-m02.aol.com>,
kdetal@aol.com (kdetal) wrote:

> I bet someone smarter than me could take this tangentally related info from
> Wikipedia and it to your question in such a way as to give some sort of
> answer.
> >
> "Near a black hole, the time dilation increases to a large degree. From the
> point of view of an external observer, it appears to take an infinite amount
> of time for an object to approach the event horizon, at which point the light
> coming from it is infinitely red-shifted. To the distant observer, it appears
> that that the object, falling more and more slowly, approaches but never
> reaches the event horizon (i.e., takes an infinite amount of time to reach
> it). From the point of view of the infalling object itself, however, it will take
> a finite time to cross the event horizon and reach the singularity.

Moral: stay the hell away from black holes, because being sucked is
vastly superior to being sucked IN.

--

HellPope Huey
Give me the strength to change the things I can change,
to accept the things I cannot
and a great big bag of money.

It is no measure of health
to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
- Krishnamurti

"Like a midget at a urinal,
I was gonna have to stay on my toes."
- "Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult"


Correspondent:: "Anachron"
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:50:13 GMT

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> So here's the question: if energy appears
> to go faster than the speed of light, because
> it is in an altered space-time, what does it
> look like to someone in normal space-time?
>
> What does a faux-tachyon look like?
>


First you see it go by, then it actually goes by. The effect preceeds the
cause. Thats it.

--
Rev. Anachron




Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:33:50 -0800

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:07:06 -0500, "iDRMRSR"
wrote:

>The speed of light is a constant.
>
>The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???
>
>[*]
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>

I'M A DOCTOR NOT A QUANTUM MECHANIC DAMMIT JIM

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer?"
---Steven Wright.



Correspondent:: the_nu42@yahoo.com (The_NU42)
Date: 21 Nov 2004 08:23:38 -0800

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Zapanaz wrote in message news:...

>
> I'M A DOCTOR NOT A QUANTUM MECHANIC DAMMIT JIM
>

You're not a doctor either, Joe. You're an unemployed
("self-employed") fucking Class-A loser who stays at home 24x7, rarely
bathing, who thinks that interacting with people on Usenet is an
acceptable substitute for interacting with them in REAL LIFE.

I'm glad you've at least admitted you know NOTHING of Quantum Theory.
But please, Joe, you're not a doctor either. Or a lawyer. Or an
engineer. Or a scientist. Or a professor. Or anything else of any
relative importance on ANY socio-economic charting of this planet's
professional workforce.

Accept your fate. You're just a "Joe Cosby" - OL' RECKLESS JOE! And
that's pretty much about it.

HA!


Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:35:43 GMT

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In article ,
the_nu42@yahoo.com (The_NU42) wrote:
> Zapanaz wrote in message
> news:...
>
> > I'M A DOCTOR NOT A QUANTUM MECHANIC DAMMIT JIM
> >
> You're not a doctor either, Joe. You're an unemployed
> ("self-employed") fucking Class-A loser who stays at home 24x7, rarely
> bathing, who thinks that interacting with people on Usenet is an
> acceptable substitute for interacting with them in REAL LIFE.
> I'm glad you've at least admitted you know NOTHING of Quantum Theory.
> But please, Joe, you're not a doctor either. Or a lawyer. Or an
> engineer. Or a scientist. Or a professor. Or anything else of any
> relative importance on ANY socio-economic charting of this planet's
> professional workforce.
> Accept your fate. You're just a "Joe Cosby" - OL' RECKLESS JOE! And
> that's pretty much about it.
> HA!

Yeah, but you're a petty attack poodle and even being a wino with his
zipper at half-mast trumps THAT. Besides, you said "you're not a doctor
either" twice, so you must have a snootful of ether. You need to stand
further back from the cyclotron; the RAYS are getting you in the
subgenual cortex.

IIRC from the BotSG (and I'm sure I have dropped a few bytes, thereby
recalling it INcorrectly in spots), "One happy idiot beats a dozen,
miserable A-bomb-building geniuses." Being a "loser" is relative to what
one HAS, what one suffers to get it and what one "loses."

Therefore, you are a scowling, (theoretically) degreed bipedal
sphincter with an impaction and Joe is a happy fool with a dirty song in
his heart and a goofy grin on his face. Ipso Slacko, Joe wins. Not that
he was SEEKING to per se, which is why your jab automatically makes him
a default demigod and YOU a vial of Hitler's toe jam. YES!!! MY KIND
SHALL something something!!!

--

HellPope Huey
Give me the strength to change the things I can change,
to accept the things I cannot
and a great big bag of money.

It is no measure of health
to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
- Krishnamurti

"Like a midget at a urinal,
I was gonna have to stay on my toes."
- "Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult"


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:43:29 -0800

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:35:43 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:

>MY KIND
>SHALL something something!!!

killfile his kind, actually.

God I don't believe that psycho is still posting. He posts under a
dozen different names now because he is so desperate for attention.

The loons never seem to see the irony in that they first call me or
whoever else a PATHETIC, INSIGNIFICANT LOSER, and then show themselves
to be completely incapable of ceasing to seek their/my attention.

If I'm a pathetic loser, what's the word for somebody who devotes his
life to a pathetic loser?


--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
And this...
(((
:>(
(((
...might mean you're unhappy because you have gills.

iggy topo



Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:48:10 +1100

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> If I'm a pathetic loser, what's the word for somebody who devotes his
> life to a pathetic loser?


a postmodernist in some kind of hormonal-imbalance-induced frenzy,
running amok and framing things left, right and center.



Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:08:37 -0600

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:48:10 +1100, nikolai kingsley
wrote:

>
>> If I'm a pathetic loser, what's the word for somebody who devotes his
>> life to a pathetic loser?
>
>
>a postmodernist in some kind of hormonal-imbalance-induced frenzy,
>running amok and framing things left, right and center.

Hey! Take back that vicious postmodernist slur, NOW.
Have you no decency, man?

Most SubGeniuses proudly consider themselves PrePostNeolithic
Revivalists.

Salacia



Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (kdetal)
Date: 21 Nov 2004 22:47:09 GMT

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> If I'm a pathetic loser, what's the word for somebody who devotes his
>> life to a pathetic loser?
>
>
>a postmodernist in some kind of hormonal-imbalance-induced frenzy,
>running amok and framing things left, right and center.


Ooooooh, I like this definition.


--
"I AM Evil!
"No, your boring, which is worse."



Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:51:19 GMT

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In article ,
Zapanaz wrote:

> If I'm a pathetic loser, what's the word for somebody who devotes his
> life to a pathetic loser?

Laura Bush? I was going to say "Bob Dean," but Stang is not a loser,
just the most sterling psycho in a cluster of psychos.

--

HellPope Huey
Give me the strength to change the things I can change,
to accept the things I cannot
and a great big bag of money.

It is no measure of health
to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
- Krishnamurti

"Like a midget at a urinal,
I was gonna have to stay on my toes."
- "Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult"


Correspondent:: the_nu42@yahoo.com (The_NU42)
Date: 23 Nov 2004 12:10:36 -0800

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Zapanaz wrote in message news:...

>
> If I'm a pathetic loser, what's the word for somebody who devotes his
> life to a pathetic loser?
>

IF??? Ha!!!

Joe - no one has devoted their entire LIFE to you in a very, very long
time. You know that. It's pretty much the ROOT CAUSE for what's making
you so fucking lonely. And angry. And jealous.

SEEK HELP NOW!

Or continue to rot away from within...


Correspondent:: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Date: 23 Nov 2004 23:24:24 -0800

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Zapanaz wrote in message news:...
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:35:43 GMT, HellPope Huey
> wrote:
>
> >MY KIND
> >SHALL something something!!!
>
> killfile his kind, actually.
>
> God I don't believe that psycho is still posting. He posts under a
> dozen different names now because he is so desperate for attention.

Including my friend the Slackmaster who despite not sounding anything
like THENU at all, shares with him a disgust for you and your crappy
website, so that's enough evidence for you???

If that's the extent of your skill in this regard, I'm not too worried
about your evil hallucinations of me so much......... or wait, you
don't think I'M j"lahn AS WELL as KON, do you????


Correspondent:: Frere Jean Bleu
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:37:11 +1100

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On 21 Nov 2004 08:23:38 -0800, the_nu42@yahoo.com (The_NU42) wrote:

>Zapanaz wrote in message news:...
>
>>
>> I'M A DOCTOR NOT A QUANTUM MECHANIC DAMMIT JIM
>>
>
>You're not a doctor either, Joe. You're an unemployed
>("self-employed") fucking Class-A loser who stays at home 24x7, rarely
>bathing, who thinks that interacting with people on Usenet is an
>acceptable substitute for interacting with them in REAL LIFE.
>
>I'm glad you've at least admitted you know NOTHING of Quantum Theory.
>But please, Joe, you're not a doctor either. Or a lawyer. Or an
>engineer. Or a scientist. Or a professor. Or anything else of any
>relative importance on ANY socio-economic charting of this planet's
>professional workforce.
>
>Accept your fate. You're just a "Joe Cosby" - OL' RECKLESS JOE! And
>that's pretty much about it.
>
>HA!

What kinda "cut and paste from the closest website degree syllabus"
mathematician are you?

Don't you understand a Star Trek joke about Quantum Mechanics?

Fr J B



Correspondent:: the_nu42@yahoo.com (The_NU42)
Date: 23 Nov 2004 11:53:46 -0800

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Frere Jean Bleu wrote in message news:<9pl1q0t7pebbesr1gaqbh96c0cfpmivrjo@4ax.com>...

>
> Don't you understand a Star Trek joke about Quantum Mechanics?
>

You've GOT to be kidding! TOS is certainly not my favorite, but
please. Of course I fucking understood it, you fucking idiot! I'm the
quintessential Star Trek fan! DIDN'T YOU KNOW??? And, of course, the
best Trek had to be DS9. That should tell you a thing or two. And,
aside from the completely INAPPROPRIATE and crappy suck-ass lame theme
song, ST:ENT totally rules. But TOS? Primitive. OK, primitive yes, but
I do have a handful of faves that I bought on tape years ago and I
still love them to this very day. In no particular order:

City on the Edge of Forever
Mirror, Mirror
Bread and Circuses
The Omega Glory
Patterns of Force
Assignment: Earth
The Deadly Years
All Our Yesterdays
Wink of an Eye
Tomorrow is Yesterday
The Doomsday Machine
A Piece of the Action


Other background for you:

Here are some "Wow, the ST:ENT Theme Song Really Sucks GOAT COCK"
threads that I was an active participant in.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=the_nu42+%22theme+song%22

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=williamfoster1953+%22theme+song%22

Anyway... getting back to Ol' Reckless Joe. I would guess he's one of
those LAME ASSES that stopped watching Trek after TOS. He couldn't
handle the depth of the storylines that followed once TNG kicked into
gear (Season 3?). Especially difficult for him to enjoy must have been
DS9. Except for possibly when they created that time travel episode
where they spliced in the silly TOS "Trouble with Tribbles" episode.
Quite an improvement over the TOS version, I must say. And
technically, I must say, a masterpiece.

And from the heart, I must also say this: FUCK OFF AND DIE! Ummm...
Soon? Thanks much!


Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 21 Nov 2004 19:59:51 GMT

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>The speed of light is a constant.
>
>The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???
>

Untill it has to pull over to a Rest Area to pee.


MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man

"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"

Charles E. Montague


Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:24:51 -0800

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In article , "iDRMRSR"
wrote:

> The speed of light is a constant.

SEZ WHO?

pb


Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:58:11 -0500

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:07:06 -0500, iDRMRSR wrote:

> The speed of light is a constant.
>
> The only question is, FOR HOW LONG???

See my follow-up from last year.