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Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 GMT

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Or something.

It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.

http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm


Correspondent:: Grandmaster D
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:10:29 +0000

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 +0000, Cardinal Vertigo wrote:

>
> Or something.
>
> It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
> candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>
> http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
I find it difficult to believe that the *average* IQ in missippi (or any
geographic area, for that matter) is 85. Isn't 85 around the point that
tieing shoelaces might pose problems? Wouldn't forrest gump be around an
85?

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"keeping it real
since august 2000"

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Correspondent:: "Rev. Beergoggles"
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:28:09 -0600

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Grandmaster D did pass the time by typing:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 +0000, Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>
>>
>> Or something.
>>
>> It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
>> candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>>
>> http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
> I find it difficult to believe that the *average* IQ in missippi (or any
> geographic area, for that matter) is 85. Isn't 85 around the point that
> tieing shoelaces might pose problems? Wouldn't forrest gump be around an
> 85?

Depends on the scale being used.
However, being in Oklaholema I'd believe 90 is about right.
Especially if you see the way folks drive.. if you call what they
do driving. More like bumpercars without bumpers.

--
rbg




Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:15:45 -0800

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:10:29 +0000, Grandmaster D
wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 +0000, Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>
>>
>> Or something.
>>
>> It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
>> candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>>
>> http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
>I find it difficult to believe that the *average* IQ in missippi (or any
>geographic area, for that matter) is 85. Isn't 85 around the point that
>tieing shoelaces might pose problems? Wouldn't forrest gump be around an
>85?

I found this site:

http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm

Which says the numbers are a hoax.

The correlation did seem a little overboard.

On the other hand, I then took the hoax numbers, the correct numbers,
and a series of random numbers; and the bush/kerry breakdown, and
measured the correlations.

I assigned Kerry votes a value of 1 and Bush votes a value of 0.

The correlation with IQ and vote for the hoax numbers is 0.80, which
is very high. For comparison, I took a column of random values, then
a second column which was first column * 2, and the correlation of
that is 1.00, the highest possibility, so 0.80 is a very strong
correlation. Correlating with random ones and zeroes gives a
correlation around 0, in other words, no relation. (Just to check my
math).

Then I took the correct IQ figures and did the same thing.

Despite being the "EXPOSE THE HOAX!" numbers, they give a correlation
of IQ to voting against Chimp-boy at 0.426 ... which, actually, is
stil a pretty strong correlation.

So yes, the IQ figures are exaggerated ... but the basic point
actually appears to be true, despite that.





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do not cease to be insipid."
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Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:29:22 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:10:29 +0000, Grandmaster D
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 +0000, Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Or something.
>>>
>>> It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
>>> candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>>>
>>> http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
>>I find it difficult to believe that the *average* IQ in missippi (or any
>>geographic area, for that matter) is 85. Isn't 85 around the point that
>>tieing shoelaces might pose problems? Wouldn't forrest gump be around an
>>85?
>
> I found this site:
>
> http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm
>
> Which says the numbers are a hoax.
>
> The correlation did seem a little overboard.
>
> On the other hand, I then took the hoax numbers, the correct numbers,
> and a series of random numbers; and the bush/kerry breakdown, and
> measured the correlations.
>
> I assigned Kerry votes a value of 1 and Bush votes a value of 0.
>
> The correlation with IQ and vote for the hoax numbers is 0.80, which
> is very high. For comparison, I took a column of random values, then
> a second column which was first column * 2, and the correlation of
> that is 1.00, the highest possibility, so 0.80 is a very strong
> correlation. Correlating with random ones and zeroes gives a
> correlation around 0, in other words, no relation. (Just to check my
> math).
>
> Then I took the correct IQ figures and did the same thing.

Well that was cool as shit.

> Despite being the "EXPOSE THE HOAX!" numbers, they give a correlation
> of IQ to voting against Chimp-boy at 0.426 ... which, actually, is
> stil a pretty strong correlation.
[snip]

Way over the threshold of significance, if you're talking sloppy social
science (and we are).


Correspondent:: Grandmaster D
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:38:43 +0000

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:15:45 -0800, Zapanaz wrote:

> On the other hand, I then took the hoax numbers, the correct numbers,
> and a series of random numbers; and the bush/kerry breakdown, and
> measured the correlations.

Holy crap! Are you a statistician, or someone with *alot* of time on their
hands?!?

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Grandmaster D
"keeping it real
since august 2000"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:26:03 GMT

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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:

> Or something.
>
> It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
> candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>
> http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm

I like demographics! What does it mean?
People don't want to vote for someone smarter than themselves?
The Xtian Right is retarded? People on the downside of <100 are
paralized?
All of the dumb people live in the middle of the country?
For the answers to these and other questions, tune-in next week!





Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:43:02 -0800

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>Or something.
>
>It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
>candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>
>http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm

Server down. Thank God, they shut down those freedom-hating
canadians!

If you have a copy of it in your browser cache still, post it to ABS
would you?


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Plus on est de fous, plus on rit.



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:04:38 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>Or something.
>>
>>It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
>>candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
>>
>>http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
>
> Server down. Thank God, they shut down those freedom-hating
> canadians!
>
> If you have a copy of it in your browser cache still, post it to ABS
> would you?

Well, it's an HTML table, not an image, so that'd be a bitch, and
besides the server's back up.


Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:05:41 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:11:30 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
> >Or something.
> >
> >It's a list of states sorted by average IQ, and colored by which
> >candidate carried them in Tuesday's election. Cute, I thought.
> >
> >http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
>
> Server down. Thank God, they shut down those freedom-hating
> canadians!
>
> If you have a copy of it in your browser cache still, post it to ABS
> would you?
>
> --

Try it again, I just got it again on a different browser,
so it's not a stashed copy--