Trinity's Death
Correspondent:: hexbodhi@lycos.com (Vladin)
Date: 29 Nov 2004 16:56:39 -0800
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I finally watched the Matrix Revolutions for the second time this
weekend.
Trinity did die.
Losing Trinity makes Neo understand on a fundamental level that
violence will only beget more violence, and that the way of all things
on this current path is towards death.
I didn't understand it at first, but now I do.
Why does Neo choose to disobey the Architect? Neo is the sixth One to
arise since the founding of the Matrix. Each previous One ultimately
caused the destruction of the Matrix and the rebooting of the entire
system, yet Neo managed to avert this disaster. What makes Neo
different from his predecessors? As the Architect explicitly states,
Neo differs from his precedessors because he feels a specific love for
Trinity instead of a general affinity for the entire human race. The
redemptive power of love is shown explicitly in the first two movies:
Trinity's love for Neo brings him back in the hallway, and Neo's love
for her brings her after she takes a bullet. The bond between them is
so strong, in fact, that I would argue that Trinity - or at least, the
love that Neo and Trinity share - is ultimately responsible for the
salvation of the Matrix.
The Chip Body(Smith) asks Neo why he continues to fight. Is it for
freedom? For purpose? For love? No, Neo tells him. It is because I
choose to fight. This line is key, but even more critical is its
counter-implication: that the freedom to choose to do something
implies the freedom to choose not to do it. Neo chooses to do
something that none of his predecessors did - could have done: he
chooses not to fight. And he is able to make this choice is because of
his love for Trinity.
Trinity's last words before dying in Reloaded were "I'm sorry"; then,
she didn't understand her actions or the reason for her death. Given a
second chance, however, she is able to understand her previous choice,
and thus willingly makes it again. In Revolutions, she places her life
in the hands of the Merovingian with full comprehension of the
consequences; when she dies at the Machine City, she dies in peace.
(Earlier, the Oracle tells Neo that she knows she's comfortable with
her choice because she's making the same one twice - Trinity's
repeated decision to sacrifice herself for Neo is similar.)
She was ready to sacrifice herself for Neo in their trip to Machine
City.
I would argue that Sati is Connie she made the sky and the sun for Bob
Just as Trinity flew over the sentinels (before she crashed and later
died being punctured by the wall's steel rods)
Trinity gave Neo wings of love (Seraph)
That is probably why you see Seraph at the end of the movie.
Anyway BOB I was just posting random stuff I don't think I gave enough
justice to this subject could you please elaborate on the significance
of Trinity's death?
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:04:51 -0800
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On 29 Nov 2004 16:56:39 -0800, hexbodhi@lycos.com (Vladin) wrote:
>I finally watched the Matrix Revolutions for the second time this
>weekend.
>
>
>Trinity did die.
>
>Losing Trinity makes Neo understand on a fundamental level that
>violence will only beget more violence, and that the way of all things
>on this current path is towards death.
>
>I didn't understand it at first, but now I do.
>
>Why does Neo choose to disobey the Architect? Neo is the sixth One to
>arise since the founding of the Matrix. Each previous One ultimately
>caused the destruction of the Matrix and the rebooting of the entire
>system, yet Neo managed to avert this disaster. What makes Neo
>different from his predecessors? As the Architect explicitly states,
>Neo differs from his precedessors because he feels a specific love for
>Trinity instead of a general affinity for the entire human race. The
>redemptive power of love is shown explicitly in the first two movies:
>Trinity's love for Neo brings him back in the hallway, and Neo's love
>for her brings her after she takes a bullet. The bond between them is
>so strong, in fact, that I would argue that Trinity - or at least, the
>love that Neo and Trinity share - is ultimately responsible for the
>salvation of the Matrix.
>
>The Chip Body(Smith) asks Neo why he continues to fight. Is it for
>freedom? For purpose? For love? No, Neo tells him. It is because I
>choose to fight. This line is key, but even more critical is its
>counter-implication: that the freedom to choose to do something
>implies the freedom to choose not to do it. Neo chooses to do
>something that none of his predecessors did - could have done: he
>chooses not to fight. And he is able to make this choice is because of
>his love for Trinity.
>
>Trinity's last words before dying in Reloaded were "I'm sorry"; then,
>she didn't understand her actions or the reason for her death. Given a
>second chance, however, she is able to understand her previous choice,
>and thus willingly makes it again. In Revolutions, she places her life
>in the hands of the Merovingian with full comprehension of the
>consequences; when she dies at the Machine City, she dies in peace.
>(Earlier, the Oracle tells Neo that she knows she's comfortable with
>her choice because she's making the same one twice - Trinity's
>repeated decision to sacrifice herself for Neo is similar.)
>
>
>She was ready to sacrifice herself for Neo in their trip to Machine
>City.
>
>
>I would argue that Sati is Connie she made the sky and the sun for Bob
>Just as Trinity flew over the sentinels (before she crashed and later
>died being punctured by the wall's steel rods)
>
>Trinity gave Neo wings of love (Seraph)
>
>
>That is probably why you see Seraph at the end of the movie.
>
>
>
>
>Anyway BOB I was just posting random stuff I don't think I gave enough
>justice to this subject could you please elaborate on the significance
>of Trinity's death?
It's just a movie, man.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
who are you and where are my pants?
Correspondent:: "iDRMRSR"
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:27:37 -0500
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If you have SO much time to think about a movie and then post your thesis
here, then you are NEGLECTING YOUR WANKING SKILLS!!!
No computer for you until you've filled that jar, young man.
And in case I am wrong at guessing your gender, then fill the jar however
you can. We'll wait.
[*]
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Correspondent:: "Kevin Cunningham"
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:07:32 GMT
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"Zapanaz" wrote in message
news:3phnq0h2kr5o7pvbr8ufih3vt094kbl6vq@4ax.com...
> On 29 Nov 2004 16:56:39 -0800, hexbodhi@lycos.com (Vladin) wrote:
>
>>I finally watched the Matrix Revolutions for the second time this
>>weekend.
>>
>>
>>Trinity did die.
>>
>>Losing Trinity makes Neo understand on a fundamental level that
>>violence will only beget more violence, and that the way of all things
>>on this current path is towards death.
>>
>>I didn't understand it at first, but now I do.
>>
>>Why does Neo choose to disobey the Architect? Neo is the sixth One to
>>arise since the founding of the Matrix. Each previous One ultimately
>>caused the destruction of the Matrix and the rebooting of the entire
>>system, yet Neo managed to avert this disaster. What makes Neo
>>different from his predecessors? As the Architect explicitly states,
>>Neo differs from his precedessors because he feels a specific love for
>>Trinity instead of a general affinity for the entire human race. The
>>redemptive power of love is shown explicitly in the first two movies:
>>Trinity's love for Neo brings him back in the hallway, and Neo's love
>>for her brings her after she takes a bullet. The bond between them is
>>so strong, in fact, that I would argue that Trinity - or at least, the
>>love that Neo and Trinity share - is ultimately responsible for the
>>salvation of the Matrix.
>>
>>The Chip Body(Smith) asks Neo why he continues to fight. Is it for
>>freedom? For purpose? For love? No, Neo tells him. It is because I
>>choose to fight. This line is key, but even more critical is its
>>counter-implication: that the freedom to choose to do something
>>implies the freedom to choose not to do it. Neo chooses to do
>>something that none of his predecessors did - could have done: he
>>chooses not to fight. And he is able to make this choice is because of
>>his love for Trinity.
>>
>>Trinity's last words before dying in Reloaded were "I'm sorry"; then,
>>she didn't understand her actions or the reason for her death. Given a
>>second chance, however, she is able to understand her previous choice,
>>and thus willingly makes it again. In Revolutions, she places her life
>>in the hands of the Merovingian with full comprehension of the
>>consequences; when she dies at the Machine City, she dies in peace.
>>(Earlier, the Oracle tells Neo that she knows she's comfortable with
>>her choice because she's making the same one twice - Trinity's
>>repeated decision to sacrifice herself for Neo is similar.)
>>
>>
>>She was ready to sacrifice herself for Neo in their trip to Machine
>>City.
>>
>>
>>I would argue that Sati is Connie she made the sky and the sun for Bob
>>Just as Trinity flew over the sentinels (before she crashed and later
>>died being punctured by the wall's steel rods)
>>
>>Trinity gave Neo wings of love (Seraph)
>>
>>
>>That is probably why you see Seraph at the end of the movie.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Anyway BOB I was just posting random stuff I don't think I gave enough
>>justice to this subject could you please elaborate on the significance
>>of Trinity's death?
>
> It's just a movie, man.
>
And not a very good one. In fact the whole series more than kinda' sucked.
Rev. Dr. Junior Mints
Anti-Pope of Atlanta
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:51:28 -0700
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Vladin wrote:
>
> Anyway BOB I was just posting random stuff I
> don't think I gave enough justice to this
> subject could you please elaborate on the
> significance of Trinity's death?
Trinity went out with a bang.
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/trinity/trinty1a.mov
--
"Mars was destroyed with weapons from the future.
There, does that make you feel any better?"
-- nu-monet
Correspondent:: "paco"
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:50:44 -0500
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> Anyway BOB I was just posting random stuff I don't think I gave enough
> justice to this subject could you please elaborate on the significance
> of Trinity's death?
Trinity's death is significant because she is now dead.
It's all a metaphor:
trinity is bambi's mother
neo is bambi
morphus is thumper
and agent smith is the hunter
'nothing like reading into hollywood's mindless stories.
How bout a discussion of the symbolism found in "White Chicks" or "Dawn of
the Dead" or "Dawn of the Dead White Chicks"
Correspondent:: Eddie Vroom
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:47:39 GMT
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paco wrote:
> 'nothing like reading into hollywood's mindless stories.
> How bout a discussion of the symbolism found in "White Chicks" or "Dawn of
> the Dead" or "Dawn of the Dead White Chicks"
I've been waiting for something like "The Mate Trix" to turn up on the
pay-per-view pr0n channels.
--
Art and Fashion for the New Conspiracy
http://www.cafepress.com/luciddragon
the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor Eddie Vroom
Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004
Correspondent:: beefjerkyisgood@hotmail.com (Paul Casino)
Date: 1 Dec 2004 14:46:04 -0800
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> 'nothing like reading into hollywood's mindless stories.
> How bout a discussion of the symbolism found in "White Chicks" or "Dawn of
> the Dead" or "Dawn of the Dead White Chicks"
Chiming in, "White Chicks" was the biggest insult to my intellegence
that Hollywood ever pumped out. Every time that someone mistook these
BEASTS for women, it was like they were rapping their dicks against my
forhead whilst screaming "NOTHING IS WRONG HERE! NOBODY IS DOING
ANYTHING TO YOU! YOU'LL BELIEVE WHATEVER WE SAY!" I coulnd't even
suspend my disbelief for a INSTANT.
On that note, while I'm hot, I just want to say that if people
endlessly point out tiny plot holes in films and say shit lke "Oh,
that's impossible because of physics, here's why, even though you
don't care, blah, blah, blah..." it should be illegal NOT to kill them
with a screwdriver.
Correspondent:: chaos_israel@antisocial.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
Date: 1 Dec 2004 19:19:22 -0800
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beefjerkyisgood@hotmail.com (Paul Casino) wrote in message news:...
> > 'nothing like reading into hollywood's mindless stories.
> > How bout a discussion of the symbolism found in "White Chicks" or "Dawn of
> > the Dead" or "Dawn of the Dead White Chicks"
>
> Chiming in, "White Chicks" was the biggest insult to my intellegence
> that Hollywood ever pumped out. Every time that someone mistook these
> BEASTS for women, it was like they were rapping their dicks against my
> forhead whilst screaming "NOTHING IS WRONG HERE! NOBODY IS DOING
> ANYTHING TO YOU! YOU'LL BELIEVE WHATEVER WE SAY!" I coulnd't even
> suspend my disbelief for a INSTANT.
>
> On that note, while I'm hot, I just want to say that if people
> endlessly point out tiny plot holes in films and say shit lke "Oh,
> that's impossible because of physics, here's why, even though you
> don't care, blah, blah, blah..." it should be illegal NOT to kill them
> with a screwdriver.
But there *weren't* any Elves at Helm's Deep.
Correspondent:: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Date: 1 Dec 2004 19:59:45 -0800
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> Chiming in, "White Chicks" was the biggest insult to my intellegence
> that Hollywood ever pumped out. Every time that someone mistook these
> BEASTS for women, it was like they were rapping their dicks against my
> forhead whilst screaming "NOTHING IS WRONG HERE! NOBODY IS DOING
> ANYTHING TO YOU! YOU'LL BELIEVE WHATEVER WE SAY!" I coulnd't even
> suspend my disbelief for a INSTANT.
The biggest insult to your intelligence is the fact that you paid time
and possibly money to see that garbage in the first place.