Worship Jesus, go straight to Hell

Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:48:13 -0700

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WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING?

I know you were brought up by good Christian parents, only hoping to
do what was best for you, both here and in the realm beyond time and
mortality. But have you been ASLEEP all your lives? Have you turned
a blind eye to the HATE, HYPOCRISY, VENALITY AND PURE WRONGNESS of
your Chrsitian leaders?

HATE towards homosexuals, HATE towards muslims, HATE towards OTHER
CHRISTIANS who are just one hair's breadth different, CHILD
MOLESTATION, SUICIDAL CULTS (or have we forgotten Jim Jones or David
Koresh already?), -TERRORISM- (or have we forgotten Oklahoma
already?), FORNICATION (or have we forgotten EVERY GOD DAMNED
TELEVANGELIST IN THE LAST TWO DECADES already?), CORRUPTION, DECEPTION
and a deep attraction to POLITICS which SHOULD, if you were AWAKE,
really DISTURB you?

I know YOU are a good Christian. But are you BLIND? -EVERY MAJOR
CHRISTIAN LEADER- is guilty on ALL POINTS above!

So you want to think "oh well, there have been some FAILURES, but the
FAILURES are the exception to what is essentially a GOOD rule"

BULLSHIT

LOOK AROUND. They are ALL up to their noses in the INHERENTLY corrupt
morass of TEMPORAL POLITICS. (Have we forgotten "render unto Ceasar"
already?) They are ALL corrupt.

Do you not BELIEVE in the book of Revelations? Do you not SEE how
neatly it all fits?

The greatest trick that SATAN ever pulled, his GREATEST TRIUMPH, the
triumph UNAMBIGUOUSLY PREDICTED in Revelations, is to take over the
CHURCH ITSELF!

YOU WERE WARNED. If you are a Christian, you HAVE read the book of
Revelations. They TOLD YOU that this would happen. But you WOULDN'T
LISTEN.

Is this the message of the gentle Jesus? The Jesus who went out of
his way to teach the REJECTED, the HATED, the DISENFRANCHISED?

Or is the HATE and AVARICE which rules modern Christianity the work of
THE BEAST?

WHAT FITS? WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE?

If you worship the Jesus which THEY present you with, you are in truth
worshipping SATAN HIMSELF.

It's time to WAKE THE HELL UP, BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

It's time to ORGANIZE. It's time to QUIETLY RESIST. It's time to
MAKE CLEAR that where your self-anointed LEADERS reject the true
spiritual message of Christianity, that you will NO LONGER SUPPORT
THEM.

IT HAS ALREADY STARTED. WE are already separating ourselves from the
loathsome, nauseating HYPOCRITICAL MORASS which is modern Christianity
and forming a NEW CHURCH.

ONE MAN opened my eyes to the truth. I say nothing but that HE speaks
through me. If any of what I have said has had any meaning to you, it
is because HE speaks through me.

No, not Jesus, but HE who has come to prepare the way. The only one
who has seen the truth. I am just a small man, HE has shown me the
way.

Yes "Bob" Dobbs can help you. Only he can lead us through these, the
end times, and out the other side with our souls intact.

JOIN US. Help us. You just cannot live but to choose a side in the
battle to come. And only through what "BOB" DOBBS makes clear can you
hope to see the subtle but terrible truth.

The "end times" are not coming, brothers and sisters. The "end times"
are HERE NOW.

It is TOO LATE. Only "BOB" has seen the truth, so you need to GET
WITH "BOB" NOW, you need to SEE THE TRUTH.

Let those who have ears to hear, listen.



--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"We used up all the sick days; so we called in dead"
--WEBN DJs--



Correspondent:: NeoSadist
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000

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Zapanaz wrote:

>
> WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING?
>
> I know you were brought up by good Christian parents, only hoping to
> do what was best for you, both here and in the realm beyond time and
> mortality. But have you been ASLEEP all your lives? Have you turned
> a blind eye to the HATE, HYPOCRISY, VENALITY AND PURE WRONGNESS of
> your Chrsitian leaders?
>
> HATE towards homosexuals, HATE towards muslims, HATE towards OTHER
> CHRISTIANS who are just one hair's breadth different, CHILD
> MOLESTATION, SUICIDAL CULTS (or have we forgotten Jim Jones or David
> Koresh already?), -TERRORISM- (or have we forgotten Oklahoma
> already?), FORNICATION (or have we forgotten EVERY GOD DAMNED
> TELEVANGELIST IN THE LAST TWO DECADES already?), CORRUPTION, DECEPTION
> and a deep attraction to POLITICS which SHOULD, if you were AWAKE,
> really DISTURB you?

Why are you trying to generalize and stereotype all Christians as being like
this? You are the one that sounds full of hatred here. Even then, does
not Romans 3 and 6 say that all are sinners?

> I know YOU are a good Christian. But are you BLIND? -EVERY MAJOR
> CHRISTIAN LEADER- is guilty on ALL POINTS above!
>
> So you want to think "oh well, there have been some FAILURES, but the
> FAILURES are the exception to what is essentially a GOOD rule"
>
> BULLSHIT

So cussing makes you a better Christian than they, or better than us?
Whatever, keep dreaming.

> LOOK AROUND. They are ALL up to their noses in the INHERENTLY corrupt
> morass of TEMPORAL POLITICS. (Have we forgotten "render unto Ceasar"
> already?) They are ALL corrupt.
>
> Do you not BELIEVE in the book of Revelations? Do you not SEE how
> neatly it all fits?
>
> The greatest trick that SATAN ever pulled, his GREATEST TRIUMPH, the
> triumph UNAMBIGUOUSLY PREDICTED in Revelations, is to take over the
> CHURCH ITSELF!
>
> YOU WERE WARNED. If you are a Christian, you HAVE read the book of
> Revelations. They TOLD YOU that this would happen. But you WOULDN'T
> LISTEN.
>
> Is this the message of the gentle Jesus? The Jesus who went out of
> his way to teach the REJECTED, the HATED, the DISENFRANCHISED?

Jesus never preached hatred, but He did have some harsh words for those who
did not want to admit that they aren't perfect. You are starting to sound
like one of those pharisees that Jesus preached against (but He also never
preached hatred). Jesus called them blind because they said "we see".
Jesus also called them white-washed tombs, indicating that they were trying
to be good on their own strength, yet were still sinners. Read Romans:
Paul also hinted on what the issue was: they didn't seek the righteousness
that comes from God, but their own.

> Or is the HATE and AVARICE which rules modern Christianity the work of
> THE BEAST?
>
> WHAT FITS? WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE?
>
> If you worship the Jesus which THEY present you with, you are in truth
> worshipping SATAN HIMSELF.
>
> It's time to WAKE THE HELL UP, BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that while
your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all becomes
meaningless when you cuss?

--
"It's not Camelot, but it's not Cleveland, either."
-- Kevin White, mayor of Boston



Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:13:23 -0700

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
wrote:

>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that while
>your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all becomes
>meaningless when you cuss?

I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"There are many kinds of 'truths' and consequently there is no truth"
- Nietzsche



Correspondent:: NeoSadist
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:59:35 +0000

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Zapanaz wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
> wrote:
>
>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>
> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.

No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
killfile, troll.

--
"Protozoa are small, and bacteria are small, but viruses are smaller
than the both put together."



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:18:58 GMT

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NeoSadist wrote:
> Zapanaz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>>
>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>
> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
> killfile, troll.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)

"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:55:53 -0700

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:18:58 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:

>"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)

"OW! I'VE GOT A FUCKING LOG IN MY EYE!"

(TheeStoogeiotmectomies -1:0)


--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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"the opposite of gravity is levity. if it weren't for that,
the universe would only suck." -- Unit 4



Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:07:42 GMT

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"Zapanaz" wrote in message
news:5jadm0dtki781bmdek9gpv4ud9ebumc2lg@4ax.com...
>
> "OW! I'VE GOT A NYUK IN MY EYE!"
>

Yeah? So?





Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 10 Oct 2004 18:07:53 -0700

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Cardinal Vertigo wrote in message news:...

> "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
> you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
> you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>
> "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
> notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)

I complained that I had no Saucer
until I met a guy who had only a Yugo.
I complained because I had no turbine
until I met a man who had no landing gear.
I complained that I had no vaginer
until I met a woman who had no peenuss.
I complained that I had no CD-Rs
until I met a guy who had only an Atari 1040ST.
I complained about reruns of "Dark Shadows"
until I met someone who actually liked "Who's the Boss?"
I complained because I had no flamethrower
until I met a man who had no blunt meat cleaver.
I complained that I had no hovercraft
until I met people who had no "Bob."
- HellPopians 2:1-7

--

HellPope Huey
Welcome to Tourette's practice.
Today we begin with the letter "F."

"Who are these Swine ? These flag-sucking half-wits
who get fleeced and fooled
by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?
..... They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious
in the American character....
I piss down the throats of these Nazis.
And I am too old to worry about
whether they like it or not. Fuck Them."
- Hunter S. Thompson, "Kingdom of Fear"

FOR SHITS SAKE WILL YOU FUCKING SPELLCHECK
YOU STUPID GOD DAMN SON OF A BITCH.
- Nenslo


Correspondent:: christian@velocitus.net
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:06:55 -0600

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Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>NeoSadist wrote:
>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>>>
>>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>>
>> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
>> killfile, troll.
>
>"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
>you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
>you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>
>"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)

Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
him his fault between you and him alone. If he
hears you, you have gained your brother.
16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
the mouth of two or three witnesses
every word may be established.'
17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
refuses even to hear the church, let him
be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
for Christians.

So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
APPROPRIATE.

Christian.

BTW What is the ESV translation?



Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:04:32 -0700

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:06:55 -0600, christian@velocitus.net wrote:

> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
>you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>NeoSadist wrote:
>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>>>>
>>>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>>>
>>> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>>> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
>>> killfile, troll.
>>
>>"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
>>you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
>>you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>>
>>"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>>notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)
>
>Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
>him his fault between you and him alone. If he
>hears you, you have gained your brother.
> 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
>the mouth of two or three witnesses
>every word may be established.'
> 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
>refuses even to hear the church, let him
>be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
>
>We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
>that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
>for Christians.
>
>So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
>considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
>APPROPRIATE.
>
>Christian.
>
>BTW What is the ESV translation?

More to the point, anything which implies that your accepted idea of
what Christianity is, is inevitably rejected.

The only "vile hatred" shown was for existing hypocricy and venality
disguised as piety. In fact that was clear enough in what I said,
there was nothing ambiguous about it.

But Christians have been well-trained to reject anything which
questions existing authority; extremely ironic, in that Christianity
was founded on the willingness to reject authority when that authority
was clearly contrary to spiritual reality.

More ironic yet that you would be quoting scripture which recommends
that you respond to what you consider to be wrong actions by speaking
out against them, but you are doing so to justify simply stopping up
your ears and ignoring something you don't want to hear.

Not even to mention the irony inherent in playing "duelling scripture
quotes" in order to decide who is right; again, in a religion which
is, in theory, based on the willingness to THINK FOR YOURSELF, even
when the contradicts established authority.

Nor to mention the futility in my posting this at all, when you have
already made clear that you have stopped your ears and won't listen to
anything which you think is icky or might disturb the status quo.

You have been well trained by very powerful, very rich, very corrupt
men into shutting down like robots when -their- authority is
questioned in any way.

And calling it "piety" when you do so.



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-- Gene "spaf" Spafford (1992)



Correspondent:: christian@velocitus.net
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:23:37 -0600

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Hello Zapanaz ,
you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:06:55 -0600, christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>
>> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
>>you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>>NeoSadist wrote:
>>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>>>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>>>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>>>>
>>>> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>>>> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
>>>> killfile, troll.
>>>
>>>"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
>>>you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
>>>you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>>>
>>>"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>>>notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)
>>
>>Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
>>him his fault between you and him alone. If he
>>hears you, you have gained your brother.
>> 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
>>the mouth of two or three witnesses
>>every word may be established.'
>> 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
>>refuses even to hear the church, let him
>>be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
>>
>>We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
>>that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
>>for Christians.
>>
>>So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
>>considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
>>APPROPRIATE.
>>
>>Christian.
>>
>>BTW What is the ESV translation?
>
>More to the point, anything which implies that your accepted idea of
>what Christianity is, is inevitably rejected.

?? Anythng which implies that my accepted idea of wht Christianity is
WHAT? Wrong? Only if your "anything" contradicts what the Bible
says.
>
>The only "vile hatred" shown was for existing hypocricy and venality
>disguised as piety. In fact that was clear enough in what I said,
>there was nothing ambiguous about it.

And that was done in a generalized manner that implied that everyone
who calls themselves Christian are that way. That is dishonest.
>
>But Christians have been well-trained to reject anything which
>questions existing authority; extremely ironic, in that Christianity
>was founded on the willingness to reject authority when that authority
>was clearly contrary to spiritual reality.

More blanket statements that are blatantly false about real
Christianity. You are dishonest. You might be right if you narrowed
your field down to the Arian Nations, or the other white supremecists,
or some other group of pseudo-Christians, but instead you ignorantly
lump everyone who claims to be Christian together, despite the fact
that in the real world we are NOT as you claim.

We Christians accept the BIBLE as "authority," and that BIBLE is
clearly NOT "contrary to spiritual reality." Unless you can
demonstrate that it is, then you are WAY out in the woods in your
claim.
>
>More ironic yet that you would be quoting scripture which recommends
>that you respond to what you consider to be wrong actions by speaking
>out against them, but you are doing so to justify simply stopping up
>your ears and ignoring something you don't want to hear.

I am? No, I am pointing out SCRIPTURE to you that shows your thesis
is wrong. If you are delusional and want to claim you know my motives
better than I do, I cannot stop you. But be aware that your reasoning
does not connect with the reality of what my motives are.
>
>Not even to mention the irony inherent in playing "duelling scripture
>quotes" in order to decide who is right; again, in a religion which
>is, in theory, based on the willingness to THINK FOR YOURSELF, even
>when the contradicts established authority.

It is an easy "cop-out" to claim that a person who disagrees with you
must be somehow not be "thinking for themselves."
>
>Nor to mention the futility in my posting this at all, when you have
>already made clear that you have stopped your ears and won't listen to
>anything which you think is icky or might disturb the status quo.

Disagreeing with you, seeing the error in your use of a blanket
statement that does not apply in real life, means to you that I must
think it is "icky or might disturb the status quo?" Only in your
mind. Not in reality.

Pointing out that you are wrong, and pointing out that such blanket
statements are false is not "stopping my ears." It is simply logical
discourse. If you cannot handle logical discourse, I am sorry for
you.
>
>You have been well trained by very powerful, very rich, very corrupt
>men into shutting down like robots when -their- authority is
>questioned in any way.

You have no clue at all who my leaders or friends are, or where my
training comes from. For you to LIE and claim that my friends are
"very powerful, very, rich, very corrupt men" makes you a LIAR and
completely undermines your credibility.

I have studied the Bible independently for over 40 years. While I do
examine what others have found in their studies, I do so in the same
manner as I read posts in this ng, examining the scriptures closely to
see if what they claim is true. If what they say is NOT true, I
reject them.

Perhaps if you actually READ THE BOOK and GOT TO KNOW THE PEOPLE who
live by the Bible, you would not make such blind and completely false
statements about us.
>
>And calling it "piety" when you do so.

The only one using that term in this post has been YOU.
Why is that? Think about it. . .

in Christ Jesus,
Christian



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:28:37 GMT

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christian@velocitus.net wrote:
> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>NeoSadist wrote:
>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>>>>
>>>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>>>
>>> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>>> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
>>> killfile, troll.
>>
>>"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
>>you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
>>you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>>
>>"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>>notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)
>
> Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
> him his fault between you and him alone. If he
> hears you, you have gained your brother.
> 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
> the mouth of two or three witnesses
> every word may be established.'
> 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
> refuses even to hear the church, let him
> be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
>
> We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
> that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
> for Christians.

Who's sinned against you here? (Nobody, as far as I can tell, but never
mind that.) Did you go and talk with him "between you and him alone"
first? That failing, did you then try talking with him with a couple
other people around to keep things real?

Or did you just pass judgment on him and throw him in your killfile
without a second thought?

Ironic that you posted, as a defense, a step-by-step guide that, with a
little creativity, is quite applicable to modern life and which you
might have been better off to have paid attention to and followed
instead of just copying and pasting.

> So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
> considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
> APPROPRIATE.

Christ and his disciples partied with whores and tax collectors (Matthew
9:10).

> Christian.

Is that really your "Christian name?"

> BTW What is the ESV translation?

English Standard Version. Far from perfect but better than most: more
literal than the NIV, less pedantic than the NRSV, and more scholarly
than the NASB. It's a pretty new translation but I think all the
megachain booksellers are stocking it now, which is good because it used
to be a real pain in the ass to find a copy.


Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:44:43 GMT

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PLOY? PLOY? PLOY!


Gee DUHbya Is Sooooooooooo
FUCKING OUTTA HERE!

Buh Bye Boosh!

Three More Weeks!





Correspondent:: christian@velocitus.net
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:58:33 -0600

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Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
>> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>>NeoSadist wrote:
>>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>>>>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>>>>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>>>>
>>>> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>>>> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
>>>> killfile, troll.
>>>
>>>"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
>>>you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
>>>you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>>>
>>>"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>>>notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)
>>
>> Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
>> him his fault between you and him alone. If he
>> hears you, you have gained your brother.
>> 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
>> the mouth of two or three witnesses
>> every word may be established.'
>> 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
>> refuses even to hear the church, let him
>> be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
>>
>> We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
>> that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
>> for Christians.
>
>Who's sinned against you here? (Nobody, as far as I can tell, but never
>mind that.)

Last I heard, lying is a sin. And it doesn't say "against you." It
just says, if your brother sins.

>Did you go and talk with him "between you and him alone"
>first? That failing, did you then try talking with him with a couple
>other people around to keep things real?

The only place I know to reach him is here, so I have no choice in the
matter.
>
>Or did you just pass judgment on him and throw him in your killfile
>without a second thought?

Since he is not in my killfile, but someone else's, the question is
wasted.
>
>Ironic that you posted, as a defense, a step-by-step guide that, with a
>little creativity, is quite applicable to modern life and which you
>might have been better off to have paid attention to and followed
>instead of just copying and pasting.

It is much easier to copy and paste scripture passages than to type
them by hand. It is also more accurate.
>
>> So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
>> considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
>> APPROPRIATE.
>
>Christ and his disciples partied with whores and tax collectors (Matthew
>9:10).

Try again. No party there. . .

Matt 9:9-13
As Jesus passed on from there, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at
the tax office. And He said to him, "Follow Me." So he arose and
followed Him.

10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that
behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and
His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His
disciples, "Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and
sinners?"

12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, "Those who are well have no
need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what
this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.' For I did not come to
call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."
NKJV

Inviting a person to eat with you is not "partying."

I do that with street people who are hungry.

>> Christian.
>
>Is that really your "Christian name?"

No, but when I used to give the name my parents gave in these
newsgroups, I began to receive tons of virus emails, as many as 150
per day.

I still get 40 or so, but I don't use my real name any more and rely
instead on a "handle." Christian is appropriate.
>
>> BTW What is the ESV translation?
>
>English Standard Version. Far from perfect but better than most: more
>literal than the NIV, less pedantic than the NRSV, and more scholarly
>than the NASB. It's a pretty new translation but I think all the
>megachain booksellers are stocking it now, which is good because it used
>to be a real pain in the ass to find a copy.

It must not be very popular. I have PC Study Bible, Quickverse, and
Hermeneutica (Bible Works) and none of them have the ESV available in
them.

I would find it difficult to believe it is more scholarly than the
NASB. Perhaps you could illustrate to me why you believe that.

Christian



Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:38:53 GMT

--------
OIL WELLS!

just figured we can get that one out of the way right / left quick her FIRST
FIST!


YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES!

EVERY ONE OF YOU HAS ONE!


GREASE IT UP!

Hell Pope Huey Has Q Word 7 EWE!


May I inter DEUCE,

HELL POPE HUEY!


TA DUH!



never mind.

HPH is actually on a BUTT Licking Vacation This Evening.


As ARE WE ALL!



Has Ever?

Has Every One>

Has EACH & EVERYONE...

Denounced SATAN tonight?

So many Fear Fillled ONES each & every one...

half-axed

CUT DUH CAROTID!




spelling ERRORS included here, hear?


YOU Phoooooo Kin Moor Roons,.,.,.m,has,hakhkaww....

YEAH?

WHATEVER!


I have ALL OF EWE!



Your stank pussssssssssy.

Your wooly arms of math destrukshun!


Your (and my by DEFAULT)

PATHS!


FAVOR DEAFNESS!

A rather faint smell . . .

A wave of fingering a fondness.

A slightly cold chill FEEL!

AGHAST!

A Wandering Aroma.

Some sort of meandering SNEER!











Gimme a lick S. D.!




Most Assuredly a pleasure DOME bloweth forth...

Mt. St. Helens ...

might I, in my infinitesimal demi-SALE educationACT-On_ALL blwoth . . .

REMIND alt.slack (among uddddddders, sheared a clear path)


CLASS DEATH!


pushoozooonovski


QWacakerslam


continued next issue


or not


yu phoo kin moor roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos

a wall of bees has more intel ACTIONAL braising "BOB"



whatever...







Correspondent:: "ArWeGod"
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:15:45 GMT

--------
wrote in message
news:gq0mm0hn5rdmt7lsfrom5aqj6eosj2j0vf@4ax.com...
> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
> >NeoSadist wrote:
> >> Zapanaz wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist

> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize
that
> >>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred),
it all
> >>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
> >>>
> >>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
> >>
> >> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to
give
> >> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
> >> killfile, troll.
> >
> >"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you
pronounce
> >you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured
to
> >you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)

Who, me? Oh, thank you very much!

> >
> >"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
> >notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)
>
> Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
> him his fault between you and him alone. If he
> hears you, you have gained your brother.
> 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
> the mouth of two or three witnesses
> every word may be established.'
> 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
> refuses even to hear the church, let him
> be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

So you don't pay taxes? And your church of the jewish carpenter doesn't
pay taxes. So quit driving on my roads and sending your mind corrupted
zombie children to my schools, you DEADBEAT.

>
> We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
> that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
> for Christians.

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

>
> So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
> considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
> APPROPRIATE.
>

"Bob" will kill you to protect you!

--
ArWeTheCussin'Jesus




Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:02:47 GMT

--------
ArWeGod wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:gq0mm0hn5rdmt7lsfrom5aqj6eosj2j0vf@4ax.com...
>> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
>> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>> >NeoSadist wrote:
>> >> Zapanaz wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:32:44 +0000, NeoSadist
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Again, some Christian you are if you cuss. Do you not recognize that
>> >>>>while your argument seems valid (even though filled with hatred), it all
>> >>>>becomes meaningless when you cuss?
>> >>>
>> >>> I guess I missed the "Thou shalt not cuss" commandment.
>> >>
>> >> No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>> >> account for "every idle word". You have no excuse. Welcome to my
>> >> killfile, troll.
>> >
>> >"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
>> >you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
>> >you." (Matthew 7:1-2 ESV)
>
> Who, me? Oh, thank you very much!

Look at Christ's directive not so much as an absolute law of the
universe, but more as a principle by which someone could live a fairly
decent life if they were inclined to follow it as best they could, using
their own (God-given, if you like) judgment when principles seem to
conflict.

Christianity's a lot like Zen Buddhism in that a lot of its truths are
really, really hard to communicate. One way for a spiritual
intellectual to look at the Christian Bible is as a collection of
writings which do a halfway decent job of communicating those Zenlike
truths, which is why they're traditionally compiled in one volume for
convenience.

The Old Testament is necessary for context: the story of Christ's life
would make a lot less sense had the writings of the Old Testament not
been preserved. Christianity owes Judaism an eternal debt of gratitude
just for that alone. And there are a lot of spiritual truths which are
still useful today buried in all the Old Testament's carnage, if you
bother to look and think hard enough to find them.

Unfortunately Christianity is roughly fifteen million times easier to
twist to promote violence and hatred than Zen is, but that doesn't
really diminish the value of those underlying truths.

One thing Buddhists and Christians have in common is that any of them
worth their salt will never claim to fully understand all their
religion's greatest truths.

>> >"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
>> >notice the log that is in your own eye?" (Luke 6:41 ESV)
>>
>> Matthew 18:15 " Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell
>> him his fault between you and him alone. If he
>> hears you, you have gained your brother.
>> 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by
>> the mouth of two or three witnesses
>> every word may be established.'
>> 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he
>> refuses even to hear the church, let him
>> be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
>
> So you don't pay taxes? And your church of the jewish carpenter doesn't
> pay taxes. So quit driving on my roads and sending your mind corrupted
> zombie children to my schools, you DEADBEAT.

Skeptics in Christ's day made the same argument. Fortunately his
response to them was recorded for posterity in several surviving documents.

The business about taxes in Matthew 18:17 was almost certainly from the
Sermon on the Mount. Word of it got back to the governmental
authorities who feared the threat to their power that Christ
represented. You know how these crazy revolutionaries are: today
they're talking about not paying taxes, tomorrow they're talking about
armed rebellion. After all, anyone who can gather a crowd for a sermon
can gather a mob to storm a government building.

These authorities weren't as rash as they're often made out to be. They
sent spies to question Christ, "who pretended to be sincere, that they
might catch him in something he said, so as to deliver him up to the
authority and jurisdiction of the governor."

Sure, it's Luke the Evangelist writing here, and he was a product of his
time and was understandably pissed for life about his crazy peacenik
mentor getting executed by his government. His slightly accusatory tone
has been used to justify millenia of anti-Semitism; personally, I wish
he'd been a little more conscious of the fact he was writing for
posterity, but I can definitely empathize with being pissed at the
government.

But considering they were faced with a crazy guy who may or may not have
been representing a threat to their power, those authorities' reaction
was actually fairly enlightened. It was the backwater of the Empire and
they easily could have just made Christ disappear, but they didn't.
They sent a couple guys to talk with Christ a bit to figure out what he
was all about. What his deal was, as we might say.

The conversation between Christ and the so-called spies is related in
Luke 20, Matthew 22, and Mark 12, but Luke was the best writer of the
three. Since he also happened to be a better writer than I am, I'll paste:

"So they asked him, 'Teacher, we know that you speak and teach rightly,
and show no partiality, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful for
us to give tribute to Caesar, or not?' But he perceived their
craftiness, and said to them, 'Show me a denarius. Whose likeness and
inscription does it have?' They said, 'Caesar's.'"

"He said to them, 'Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's,
and to God the things that are God's.' And they were not able in the
presence of the people to catch him in what he said, but marveling at
his answer they became silent."

Luke 20:20-26 ESV. I imagine the word "harmless" appeared at least once
in the spies' reports.

>> We ARE to judge sin. If you bothered to read this guy's entire post
>> that preceded this one, you would find it LOADED with a vile hatred
>> for Christians.
>
> You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Only when it's outside the context of the Church of the SubGenius.

>> So his being entered into a killfile (to be ignored and not
>> considered, as a tax-collector of old was to be treated) in ENTIRELY
>> APPROPRIATE.
>
> "Bob" will kill you to protect you!

Praze "Bob," brother!


Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:44:54 GMT

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PLOY? PLOY? PLOY!


Gee DUHbya Is Sooooooooooo
FUCKING OUTTA HERE!

Buh Bye Boosh!

Three More Weeks!





Correspondent:: shaft@postmark.net (you)
Date: 11 Oct 2004 21:45:16 -0700

--------
>
> BTW What is the ESV translation?

it's the English as a Second language Version.


Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:44:10 -0700

--------
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:59:35 +0000, NeoSadist
wrote:

>No, but even those who are lost know that a Christian will have to give
>account for "every idle word".

I guess you'll be up there years trying to explain that .sig then.

>--
>"Protozoa are small, and bacteria are small, but viruses are smaller
>than the both put together."

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
raping your women, eating your livestock, and burning
down your village was just an over-enthusiastic way of saying,
"Howdy."



Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 07 Oct 2004 23:14:36 GMT

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Zapanaz wrote:

>"There are many kinds of 'truths' and consequently there is no truth"
>- Nietzsche

Pyrrho said it first.
--
IT ALL BECOMES MEANINGLESS IF YOU CUSS!


Correspondent:: shaft@postmark.net (you)
Date: 9 Oct 2004 17:08:30 -0700

--------
kdetal@aol.com (KD et al) wrote in message news:<20041007191436.08579.00001704@mb-m12.aol.com>...
> Zapanaz wrote:
>
> >"There are many kinds of 'truths' and consequently there is no truth"
> >- Nietzsche
>
> Pyrrho said it first.

it all becomes meaningless if you cuss?
FUCKIN' EH! i'm all about meaningless as the anti-enviroment to meaning.
is hell good?


Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:59:52 GMT

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YIPPEE! YEE HAW! YAHOOIE!



FOUR MORE YEARS
OF MAKING FUN
OF THE MONKEY
IN DUH WIPE OUTS!


Ride 'Em Plow Boy!



"you" wrote in message
news:38fe8ba2.0410091608.35f296b4@posting.google.com...
> kdetal@aol.com (KD et al) wrote in message
> news:<20041007191436.08579.00001704@mb-m12.aol.com>...
>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>
>> >"There are many kinds of 'truths' and consequently there is no truth"
>> >- Nietzsche
>>
>> Pyrrho said it first.
>
> it all becomes meaningless if you cuss?
> FUCKIN' EH! i'm all about meaningless as the anti-enviroment to meaning.
> is hell good?




Correspondent:: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:50:29 GMT

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I got stuck at FOO, again...


"Zapanaz" wrote in message
news:e2s9m0pi9qet3pf7cnk7un6hh9coq233iv@4ax.com...
>
> WHO DO YOU THINK YOUR FOO





Correspondent:: christian@velocitus.net
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:02:43 -0600

--------
Hello Zapanaz ,
you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>
>WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING?

Nobody at all! Who do YOU think YOU are fooling? ;-)
>
>I know you were brought up by good Christian parents, only hoping to
>do what was best for you, both here and in the realm beyond time and
>mortality.

No I wasn't. I became a Christian as an adult, knowing what it was
about. You assume too much about too many people.

>But have you been ASLEEP all your lives? Have you turned
>a blind eye to the HATE, HYPOCRISY, VENALITY AND PURE WRONGNESS of
>your Chrsitian leaders?

You may speak for YOUR leaders, but don't even try to pretend to speak
for mine. I KNOW mine, and they are none of those things at all.
SORRY ABOUT YOURS.
>
>HATE towards homosexuals,

We Christians don't hate homosexuals. We hate sinful behavior, and
encourage homosexuals not to commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus
Christ for healing of their hearts.

>HATE towards muslims,

Where are you getting all of this "hate stuff." It looks more like a
reflection of your own heart than anything real.

I don't know ANY Christians who "hate" muslims. We pray for them,
share Jesus Christ with them, encourage them to open their minds and
hearts and look at the Truth, but we certainaly do NOT "hate" them at
all. Our Savior died for them, just as He died for us.

>HATE towards OTHER
>CHRISTIANS who are just one hair's breadth different,

Pure and utter nonsense! You are either brainwashed by people who have
no first-hand of Christianity at all, or you have just been "smoking
the wrong stuff" in your ignorance.

Naah, we Christians don't "hate" each other, muslims, OR homosexuals.

>CHILD
>MOLESTATION, SUICIDAL CULTS (or have we forgotten Jim Jones or David
>Koresh already?), -TERRORISM- (or have we forgotten Oklahoma
>already?), FORNICATION (or have we forgotten EVERY GOD DAMNED
>TELEVANGELIST IN THE LAST TWO DECADES already?), CORRUPTION, DECEPTION
>and a deep attraction to POLITICS which SHOULD, if you were AWAKE,
>really DISTURB you?

Do you REALLY think that child molesters, suicidal cults, terrorism,
fornication, can be honestly connected to Christianity?

You are pathetic!
>
>I know YOU are a good Christian. But are you BLIND? -EVERY MAJOR
>CHRISTIAN LEADER- is guilty on ALL POINTS above!

Now you are lying outright! You seem to be intent upon spreading that
"hatred" you seem to be espousing onto every Christian you can, but it
is smply a lie from you. I am sorry you are so perverse.
>
>So you want to think "oh well, there have been some FAILURES, but the
>FAILURES are the exception to what is essentially a GOOD rule"

I'm glad you believe you can read my mind, but YOUR presuppositions
are NOT what I think; YOUR presuppositions come ENTIRELY FROM
YOURSELF.
>
>BULLSHIT

How do YOU know its gender? Been sniffing that stuff too long?
>
>LOOK AROUND. They are ALL up to their noses in the INHERENTLY corrupt
>morass of TEMPORAL POLITICS. (Have we forgotten "render unto Ceasar"
>already?) They are ALL corrupt.

Not according to MY Bible. Not according to God. Only according to
YOU, and frankly, YOU DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH AS ANYONE TO BE BELIEVED.
>
>Do you not BELIEVE in the book of Revelations? Do you not SEE how
>neatly it all fits?

It is ONE revelation, not more than one, and I DO see how it all fits.
Jesus is alive and well in His Body, the church. We Christians are
NOTHING AT ALL like you are claiming we are.
>
>The greatest trick that SATAN ever pulled, his GREATEST TRIUMPH, the
>triumph UNAMBIGUOUSLY PREDICTED in Revelations, is to take over the
>CHURCH ITSELF!

And EXACTLY WHERE in Revelation (the ONE revelation) does it EVER SAY
that satan would EVER take over Christ's church? SHOW ME CHAPTER AND
VERSE, or admit that you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>
>YOU WERE WARNED. If you are a Christian, you HAVE read the book of
>Revelations. They TOLD YOU that this would happen. But you WOULDN'T
>LISTEN.

ONE revelation, and who is this "THEY" that you are talking about???

SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE that says what you claim, or ADMIT THAT YOU
DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>
>Is this the message of the gentle Jesus? The Jesus who went out of
>his way to teach the REJECTED, the HATED, the DISENFRANCHISED?

The same "gentle Jesus" who drove the money-lenders out of the Temple?
Hmmm. You don't KNOW HIM VERY WELL, DO YOU?
>
>Or is the HATE and AVARICE which rules modern Christianity the work of
>THE BEAST?

I don't know where YOU ARE, but Christianity has no hate OR avorice in
it today.
>
>WHAT FITS? WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE?

To those of us who ACTUALLY STUDY AND KNOW the Bible, your whole rant
is baseless and mindless.
>
>If you worship the Jesus which THEY present you with, you are in truth
>worshipping SATAN HIMSELF.

Who is this "they" you keep referring to? Christians follow the
BIBLICAL JESUS, nobody else. From your post here, from the mindset
you seem to have, YOU seem to be following someone other than the God
of the Bible.
>
>It's time to WAKE THE HELL UP, BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

Swearing doesn't make a case for you, and I doubt very much that you
are my brother or sister. Your language betrays you, your false
claims about Christianity show us a lot about where you are
spiritually, and your obvious ignorance of what the Bible SAYS makes
your claims sound completely stupid.
>
>It's time to ORGANIZE. It's time to QUIETLY RESIST. It's time to
>MAKE CLEAR that where your self-anointed LEADERS reject the true
>spiritual message of Christianity, that you will NO LONGER SUPPORT
>THEM.

I don't know about YOURS, but my leaders are FAR from
"self-appointed." And because they are good and Godly men, we
certainly WILL continue to support them!
>
>IT HAS ALREADY STARTED. WE are already separating ourselves from the
>loathsome, nauseating HYPOCRITICAL MORASS which is modern Christianity
>and forming a NEW CHURCH.

I can see that you might do that. You sound like someone who
disagrees with everyone, is nasty, rude, ignorant of scripture, and
even dishonest, so you would feel MUCH BETTER if you didn't have to
have anything to do with Godly, Christian people. It is much easier
for you to leave and hide in your own self-righteousness than to have
to face the reality that you are way out in left field, totally wrong,
and in need of being changed by God.
>
>ONE MAN opened my eyes to the truth. I say nothing but that HE speaks
>through me. If any of what I have said has had any meaning to you, it
>is because HE speaks through me.

One man speaks through YOU? Yes, I can see that. YOU speak through
you. YOU are delusional.
>
>No, not Jesus, but HE who has come to prepare the way. The only one
>who has seen the truth. I am just a small man, HE has shown me the
>way.
>
>Yes "Bob" Dobbs can help you. Only he can lead us through these, the
>end times, and out the other side with our souls intact.
>
>JOIN US. Help us. You just cannot live but to choose a side in the
>battle to come. And only through what "BOB" DOBBS makes clear can you
>hope to see the subtle but terrible truth.

He must be related to Jim Jones, from Jonestown.

>
>The "end times" are not coming, brothers and sisters. The "end times"
>are HERE NOW.
>
>It is TOO LATE. Only "BOB" has seen the truth, so you need to GET
>WITH "BOB" NOW, you need to SEE THE TRUTH.
>
>Let those who have ears to hear, listen.

We Christians have SEEN the Truth, and we have been following Him for
about 2,000 years now.

But your "Bobby" is not Jesus.

in the Name of Jesus,
Christian



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:33:18 GMT

--------
christian@velocitus.net wrote:
> We Christians don't hate homosexuals. We hate sinful behavior, and
> encourage homosexuals not to commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus
> Christ for healing of their hearts.

Please don't presume to speak for all Christians. Thanks.


Correspondent:: christian@velocitus.net
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:34:35 -0600

--------
Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>> We Christians don't hate homosexuals. We hate sinful behavior, and
>> encourage homosexuals not to commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus
>> Christ for healing of their hearts.
>
>Please don't presume to speak for all Christians. Thanks.

I don't. I do speak for the Christians I have heard discuss the topic
(and the subject has come up often enough that this includes many
Christians in many conversations over the years), and this is the
overwhelming consensus.

Sorry if your belief is not in the mainstream.

Christian



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:06:59 GMT

--------
christian@velocitus.net wrote:
> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>>> We Christians don't hate homosexuals. We hate sinful behavior, and
>>> encourage homosexuals not to commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus
>>> Christ for healing of their hearts.
>>
>>Please don't presume to speak for all Christians. Thanks.
>
> I don't. I do speak for the Christians I have heard discuss the topic
> (and the subject has come up often enough that this includes many
> Christians in many conversations over the years), and this is the
> overwhelming consensus.
>
> Sorry if your belief is not in the mainstream.

Refresh my memory. What belief am I espousing? I don't recall ever
stating one.


Correspondent:: christian@velocitus.net
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:17:01 -0600

--------
Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
>> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>>>> We Christians don't hate homosexuals. We hate sinful behavior, and
>>>> encourage homosexuals not to commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus
>>>> Christ for healing of their hearts.
>>>
>>>Please don't presume to speak for all Christians. Thanks.
>>
>> I don't. I do speak for the Christians I have heard discuss the topic
>> (and the subject has come up often enough that this includes many
>> Christians in many conversations over the years), and this is the
>> overwhelming consensus.
>>
>> Sorry if your belief is not in the mainstream.
>
>Refresh my memory. What belief am I espousing? I don't recall ever
>stating one.

I didn't say you did. I said I am sorry IF your belief (regardless
what it is) is not in the mainstream.

You DID afterall, object to my statement concerning the fact we don't
hate homosexuals.

Christian



Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:06:11 GMT

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christian@velocitus.net wrote:
> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>>> Hello Cardinal Vertigo ,
>>> you posted in alt.religion.christianity :
>>>>christian@velocitus.net wrote:
>>>>> We Christians don't hate homosexuals. We hate sinful behavior, and
>>>>> encourage homosexuals not to commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus
>>>>> Christ for healing of their hearts.
>>>>
>>>>Please don't presume to speak for all Christians. Thanks.
>>>
>>> I don't. I do speak for the Christians I have heard discuss the topic
>>> (and the subject has come up often enough that this includes many
>>> Christians in many conversations over the years), and this is the
>>> overwhelming consensus.
>>>
>>> Sorry if your belief is not in the mainstream.
>>
>>Refresh my memory. What belief am I espousing? I don't recall ever
>>stating one.
>
> I didn't say you did. I said I am sorry IF your belief (regardless
> what it is) is not in the mainstream.
>
> You DID afterall, object to my statement concerning the fact we don't
> hate homosexuals.

For the record, I objected more to your "encouraging homosexuals not to
commit sinful acts, and to turn to Jesus Christ for healing of their
hearts" statement than your "we Christians don't hate homosexuals"
statement.


Correspondent:: rlan538885@aol.comnobozos (RLan538885)
Date: 15 Oct 2004 10:24:07 GMT

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Christians are a hoot and a half. They know nothing of history and seem to
think their religion was created in a vacuum, as if the entire world consisted
of a few of people in the desert and nobody else.

Face it. Mary got laid.


"100,000 lemmings can't be wrong."



Correspondent:: shaft@postmark.net (you)
Date: 11 Oct 2004 21:51:24 -0700

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> But your "Bobby" is not Jesus.
>
> in the Name of Jesus,
> Christian

how do you know that 'jesus' wouldn't use the name 'bob dobbs' when
HE returns, christian/bobian? do you think HE will call himself
JESUS, THE MESSIAH?
that's a one way ticket to fantasy island via the cookie truck, if you
know what i mean.


Correspondent:: "Dave Gordon"
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:39 +0000 (UTC)

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You are confusing a religion with humans - some humans are bad - not just
Christians but from all wlaks of life - teachers, doctors, politicians, and
even children... but that does not make Education, Medicine, Politics, and
Childhood evil or even the cause of such evils.

"Zapanaz" wrote in message
news:e2s9m0pi9qet3pf7cnk7un6hh9coq233iv@4ax.com...
>
> WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING?
>
> I know you were brought up by good Christian parents, only hoping to
> do what was best for you, both here and in the realm beyond time and
> mortality. But have you been ASLEEP all your lives? Have you turned
> a blind eye to the HATE, HYPOCRISY, VENALITY AND PURE WRONGNESS of
> your Chrsitian leaders?
>
> HATE towards homosexuals, HATE towards muslims, HATE towards OTHER
> CHRISTIANS who are just one hair's breadth different, CHILD
> MOLESTATION, SUICIDAL CULTS (or have we forgotten Jim Jones or David
> Koresh already?), -TERRORISM- (or have we forgotten Oklahoma
> already?), FORNICATION (or have we forgotten EVERY GOD DAMNED
> TELEVANGELIST IN THE LAST TWO DECADES already?), CORRUPTION, DECEPTION
> and a deep attraction to POLITICS which SHOULD, if you were AWAKE,
> really DISTURB you?
>
> I know YOU are a good Christian. But are you BLIND? -EVERY MAJOR
> CHRISTIAN LEADER- is guilty on ALL POINTS above!
>
> So you want to think "oh well, there have been some FAILURES, but the
> FAILURES are the exception to what is essentially a GOOD rule"
>
> BULLSHIT
>
> LOOK AROUND. They are ALL up to their noses in the INHERENTLY corrupt
> morass of TEMPORAL POLITICS. (Have we forgotten "render unto Ceasar"
> already?) They are ALL corrupt.
>
> Do you not BELIEVE in the book of Revelations? Do you not SEE how
> neatly it all fits?
>
> The greatest trick that SATAN ever pulled, his GREATEST TRIUMPH, the
> triumph UNAMBIGUOUSLY PREDICTED in Revelations, is to take over the
> CHURCH ITSELF!
>
> YOU WERE WARNED. If you are a Christian, you HAVE read the book of
> Revelations. They TOLD YOU that this would happen. But you WOULDN'T
> LISTEN.
>
> Is this the message of the gentle Jesus? The Jesus who went out of
> his way to teach the REJECTED, the HATED, the DISENFRANCHISED?
>
> Or is the HATE and AVARICE which rules modern Christianity the work of
> THE BEAST?
>
> WHAT FITS? WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE?
>
> If you worship the Jesus which THEY present you with, you are in truth
> worshipping SATAN HIMSELF.
>
> It's time to WAKE THE HELL UP, BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
>
> It's time to ORGANIZE. It's time to QUIETLY RESIST. It's time to
> MAKE CLEAR that where your self-anointed LEADERS reject the true
> spiritual message of Christianity, that you will NO LONGER SUPPORT
> THEM.
>
> IT HAS ALREADY STARTED. WE are already separating ourselves from the
> loathsome, nauseating HYPOCRITICAL MORASS which is modern Christianity
> and forming a NEW CHURCH.
>
> ONE MAN opened my eyes to the truth. I say nothing but that HE speaks
> through me. If any of what I have said has had any meaning to you, it
> is because HE speaks through me.
>
> No, not Jesus, but HE who has come to prepare the way. The only one
> who has seen the truth. I am just a small man, HE has shown me the
> way.
>
> Yes "Bob" Dobbs can help you. Only he can lead us through these, the
> end times, and out the other side with our souls intact.
>
> JOIN US. Help us. You just cannot live but to choose a side in the
> battle to come. And only through what "BOB" DOBBS makes clear can you
> hope to see the subtle but terrible truth.
>
> The "end times" are not coming, brothers and sisters. The "end times"
> are HERE NOW.
>
> It is TOO LATE. Only "BOB" has seen the truth, so you need to GET
> WITH "BOB" NOW, you need to SEE THE TRUTH.
>
> Let those who have ears to hear, listen.
>
>
>
> --
> Zapanaz
> International Satanic Conspiracy
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> --WEBN DJs--
>