Perversion

From: mgt@cruzio.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995
Newsgroups: alt.flame.fucking.faggots,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,sci.psychology,alt.slack

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only outlaws will shoot their kids by accident

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: mao@ripco.com (Chairman Mao)

mgt@cruzio.com wrote:
: If guns are outlawed
: only outlaws will shoot their kids by accident

Nononono...

Guns don't kill kids. KIDS kill kids.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: nenslo@teleport.com (NENSLO)

Nenslo informs you:
NO. GOD kills people. You got a complaint about it, START
PRAYING. See what good it does you.

Now shut up all of you and if you're going to post to alt.slack
please try not to be so LAME. We have higher standards than the rest of
the net and do not bear fools gladly. Hell, we do not bear fools AT ALL.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com (Richard Griffith II)

Yes my fellow CongressPersons,

It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4% of
the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.

Why, the Internet is the last free sanctuary for true Democracy.
You only have to look at this thread to see that the Liberal Elite is
constantly hard at work, trying to solve the dire problems which face
this great nation.

Yes, your tax dollars are being well spent.

and from the Right, I'm

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Griffith.Richard@gene.Com told All:

GRC> Yes my fellow CongressPersons,
>
> It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4%
> of the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.

Yeah, ain't it a shame? Kinda like the safety buoys all up and down the
coasts to keep all those poor people forced to live on their yachts part
of the year from running aground. Of course, far be it from the ameriKKKan
gummint from making the ones that use it pay for it.

Run along before reality runs over your head. It's already in dire danger
of collapse.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 People who think they know it all annoy those of us who do.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)

Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com (Richard Griffith II) wrote:
>
> Yes my fellow CongressPersons,
>
> It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4% of
> the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.

So, doesn't that tell you that we should be trying to get the other 96%
online? You're on; why should you be part of the elite?

> Why, the Internet is the last free sanctuary for true Democracy.

Probably true at this point.

> You only have to look at this thread to see that the Liberal Elite is
> constantly hard at work, trying to solve the dire problems which face
> this great nation.

Who exactly is this "Liberal Elite" that you and your dittohead pals
constantly talk about? And while we're at it, I have a few questions
for you:

- The Federal Reserve is actively trying to maintain a 6.2% unemployment
rate, ostensibly to ward off inflation (even though inflation has been
very low the past several year). The unemployment rate is currently
somewhere below 6.2%: the last I heard, it was at 5.4%. So according
to the FR, *too many* people are working, and still more need to be
put out of work.

Now, how do you square that with the Conservative view that the only
reason people are out of work is because they're lazy and immoral?

- If the Right is for reinstating family values, explain how putting
children in an orphanage will strengthen the family.

- Dig up your 1994, 1993, and 1992 tax 1040 tax booklets. Then dig up
your W-2's for one year -- which year isn't important. Now run through
the tax calculations for each year, using the same wages /
withholdings / etc. for each year. You will see that your taxes
went markedly *down* after Clinton took office.

Reconcile this very factual observation with the conservative / media
myth that Clinton raised your taxes. You *are* being lied to by
the 'Pubs, Rush, and the media. And they know it.

- The papers consistently, every single time, take the side of big
business over the good of the people. (For example, they talk about
"Clinton's Tax Plan" because *big business* got its taxes increased,
even if 99% of peoples' taxes went down.) So given that the papers
do indeed take the conservative side every time, explain to me how
the media is so allegedly "liberal".

- Why do they talk about "Liberal Intellectuals" but not "Conservative
Intellectuals"? Any do conservatives look upon "intellectualism"
as a character flaw? Could it be that conservative policies don't
stand up to intelligent scrutiny?

> and from the Right, I'm

... no doubt preparing a well-thought-out response to these simple
questions. These are the big questions I have that make me distrust
Conservatives. Put my fears to rest and you'll have a convert.

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and that one word is 'to be prepared'."

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: jvanhage@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (john demma van hagen)

Richard Griffith II <Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com> wrote:

> Why, the Internet is the last free sanctuary for true Democracy.
> You only have to look at this thread to see that the Liberal Elite is
> constantly hard at work, trying to solve the dire problems which face
> this great nation.

The Liberal Elite???!!!!!! Stop hunting witches my friend, that
excuse faded with the PBS debacle. The internet is the last free realm of
communication. Just look at this newsgroup. We are a community of people
arguing the policies of this nation.
SOUNDS LIKE A LIBERAL PLOT TO ME!!!!
J.D. Van Hagen
sig. deleted...cause it's friday...

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: MONTYKINS@news.delphi.com (MONTYKINS@DELPHI.COM)

nenslo@teleport.com (NENSLO) writes:

>Nenslo informs you:
> NO. GOD kills people. You got a complaint about it, START
>PRAYING. See what good it does you.

Actually, there's a school of thought that says that if God doesn't
respond, you're allowed to beat the crap out of the nearest minister.

> Now shut up all of you and if you're going to post to alt.slack
>please try not to be so LAME. We have higher standards than the rest of
>the net and do not bear fools gladly. Hell, we do not bear fools AT ALL.

Is this what Jesus had to put up with before he <dramatic pause> HEALED
THE LAME?

Ha! Boy, I kill me.

-Monty

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: koehler1@a1gw.gene.com (fred koehler)

Blah, blah, blah......

I don't think I've heard Greenspan talking about too many people working.

I do think that his primary concern is keeping inflation (hear me you
peanut farmers) low.

Explain how promoting illegitimacy is good for the U.S. ?

Explain how our taxes could have gone DOWN, when Willie has had the single
largest tax increase instituted in the history of the U.S. ?

Explain why all the papers carried ad nauseum Quayle's blunder but none
of
them carry anything on Whitewater? Even now that there are a large number
of indictments and jail sentences?

--

fred koehler

"Just Tao It"

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: jarcher@crl.com (John D. Archer)

fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:

: Blah, blah, blah......

: I don't think I've heard Greenspan talking about too many people working.

: I do think that his primary concern is keeping inflation (hear me you
: peanut farmers) low.

Fred, or however you may be at Genie, I must say that vapidity of
your observations really makes them appear to be a waste of disk space. Of
course Greenspan is worried about inflation. Inflation hurts the captalists,
not those who sell their labor for wages. Greenspan's allegiance is to Wall
Street investors, not to the common good. If you doubt this, check out his
writings as one of the inner circle of Objectivism, Aynn Rand's pedantric
restatement of social darwinism. Along that line, it is in the interest of
the captalist to have a large enough pool of unemployed to exert downward
pressure on wages. Conservative management of the Fed is at the heart of
why real increases in wages have amounted to practically 0% since the Reagan
administration. Actually I think that what would best advantage all us
wage slaves is the elimination of the Fed and replacement of it with a true
central bank that is politically accountable to the people.
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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: mao@ripco.com (Chairman Mao)

Richard Griffith II (Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com) wrote:

: Yes my fellow CongressPersons,
:
: It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4% of
: the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.

Guess you don't know how Nenslo is? Bob? Church of the Subgenius? Send me a
buck and I'll tell you (you pink bastard :)

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: eraserhead@iglou.iglou.com (David Lynch)
X-To: fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:

I will be happy to answer these well-thought out, reasoned questions of
yours, once you do the Pope of all Berea the courtesy of addressing his
concerns about conservativism. To date, the only rebuttal you have made
to his points is:
: Blah, blah, blah......
While I have no doubts about the truth of this statement, I think you
should elucidate more for the benefit of us draft-dodging flag-burning
peanut farmers.
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Member, 1st Church of the Overinflated Head of L. Ron Hubbard
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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: nenslo@teleport.com (NENSLO)

MONTYKINS@DELPHI.COM (MONTYKINS@news.delphi.com) wrote:
: Is this what Jesus had to put up with before he <dramatic pause> HEALED
: THE LAME?

: Ha! Boy, I kill me.

Nenslo gripes: 1) Yeah, where is the guy when we need him. He said he
was coming back, and he was quoted as saying behold I come quickly, and
where the hell is he? He said this generation shall not pass away befor
I come again, and he NEVER DID come back. I think he just forgot or blew
it off or something. If he was here he'd heal eighty percent of the
internet right away.
2)Didn't you read what I said? I said GOD kills you. Damn it,
if you weren't the same Montykins who said "As above, so kill me" I just
might take you up on it.
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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Sun. Apr 23, 1995, koehler1@a1gw.gene.com told All:

kgc> Blah, blah, blah......

Great start. Too bad you didn't stick with it.

kgc> I don't think I've heard Greenspan talking about too many people
> working.

You don't think. You knee-jerk.

kgc> I do think that his primary concern is keeping inflation (hear me
> you peanut farmers) low.

No you DON'T think. You puke reruns of the entertainment industry branch
called "news."

kgc> Explain how promoting illegitimacy is good for the U.S. ?

Poor people out fucking rich people will create enough poor people to kill
and eat the rich. Then we can have a peaceful downslide into chaos. I'm
sick of the whining noise coming from television "educated"
rich-people-wanna-be's. All that kicking and crying is annoying.

kgc> Explain how our taxes could have gone DOWN, when Willie has had
> the single largest tax increase instituted in the history of the
> U.S. ?

They couldn't. They never do. They never have. The entire history of the
soft little hairless apes has been one of constantly increasing theft from
each other, and nothing else.

kgc> Explain why all the papers carried ad nauseum Quayle's blunder
> but none of
> them carry anything on Whitewater? Even now that there are a
> large number of indictments and jail sentences?

Because of all the shitslime to spew from War-shington, his was the
funniest. Since everyone really knows what's going on, we needed the laugh
to soften the blow when we hit the bottom of the collective 6 foot hole.

You see, you're all dying fast enough, but you're just too damn NOISY.

Now shut the fuck up and lay down.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Stupidity is the basic building block of the universe.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)

koehler1@a1gw.gene.com (fred koehler) wrote:

> ' Who exactly is this "Liberal Elite" that you and your dittohead pals
> ' constantly talk about?

I notice you weren't able to answer this question ...

> ' And while we're at it, I have a few questions for you:
> '
> ' - The Federal Reserve is actively trying to maintain a 6.2% unemployment
> ' rate, ostensibly to ward off inflation (even though inflation has been
> ' very low the past several year). The unemployment rate is currently
> ' somewhere below 6.2%: the last I heard, it was at 5.4%. So according
> ' to the FR, *too many* people are working, and still more need to be
> ' put out of work.
> '
> ' Now, how do you square that with the Conservative view that the only
> ' reason people are out of work is because they're lazy and immoral?

> I don't think I've heard Greenspan talking about too many people working.
>
> I do think that his primary concern is keeping inflation (hear me you
> peanut farmers) low.

Inflation has been low without his efforts. Inflation is down to like
2% per year ... about half of what it has been all this century. Note
that Greenspan doesn't use actual inflation as the measure of when to
raise interest rates, but unemployment. Perhaps "inflation" isn't the
real issue here, at least in the price of goods and services? Perhaps
it's really a matter of the price of workers? If jobs are scarce, then
workers are less likely to make demands of their employers. "A *raise*?
You're lucky to have a job at all!"

> ' - If the Right is for reinstating family values, explain how putting
> ' children in an orphanage will strengthen the family.

> Explain how promoting illegitimacy is good for the U.S. ?

You make the assumption that people on welfare get on welfare to make
money (a ludicrous point: babies cost way way more than welfare covers).
You further fail to answer the question I asked. Please, if you are
going to defend your side, at least answer the questions asked.

> ' - Dig up your 1994, 1993, and 1992 tax 1040 tax booklets. Then dig up
> ' your W-2's for one year -- which year isn't important. Now run through
> ' the tax calculations for each year, using the same wages /
> ' withholdings / etc. for each year. You will see that your taxes
> ' went markedly *down* after Clinton took office.
> '
> ' Reconcile this very factual observation with the conservative / media
> ' myth that Clinton raised your taxes. You *are* being lied to by
> ' the 'Pubs, Rush, and the media. And they know it.

> Explain how our taxes could have gone DOWN, when Willie has had the single
> largest tax increase instituted in the history of the U.S. ?

Taxes on the rich went UP. Taxes on everyone else went DOWN. Have you
done the paperwork, like I asked? Or do you just want to assume that
Rush is telling you the truth? Since Rush makes 18 Megs a year, you
don't suppose he has a vested interest in making people mad about Clinton's
tax realignment, do you?

> ' - The papers consistently, every single time, take the side of big
> ' business over the good of the people. (For example, they talk about
> ' "Clinton's Tax Plan" because *big business* got its taxes increased,
> ' even if 99% of peoples' taxes went down.) So given that the papers
> ' do indeed take the conservative side every time, explain to me how
> ' the media is so allegedly "liberal".

> Explain why all the papers carried ad nauseum Quayle's blunder but
>none of
> them carry anything on Whitewater? Even now that there are a large number
> of indictments and jail sentences?

Explain why the papers dismissed the Walsh Report as "mean-spirited
partisan politics" even before reading it. Explain why the papers
lied to you about who got their taxes raised under Clinton. Explain
why the papers back NAFTA every time, when the figures don't match
up properly. (Case in point: they talk about how NAFTA has resulted
in more American cars being purchased in Mexico, and thus NAFTA is
better for America than it is for Mexico. But they neglect to mention
that Mexican car exports to the U.S. have gone up even more, which would
mean that NAFTA is costing Americans business.)

> ' - Why do they talk about "Liberal Intellectuals" but not "Conservative
> ' Intellectuals"? Any do conservatives look upon "intellectualism"
> ' as a character flaw? Could it be that conservative policies don't
> ' stand up to intelligent scrutiny?

No answer given to this one either. Hmmm ...

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has to be us."

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: centrnv@netcom.com (Centurion 5)

koehler1@a1gw.gene.com wrote:
: Talk about vapidity, what a dork.
: #1 Ask your parents (or anyone else you know who has a job) what happens
: when there is inflation, the consumer's dollor is devalued, and thus has
: less spending power. Maybe even people with mortgages and loans.

You are one "dork" of an economist - and you probably think that
"trickle down economics" worked for America too, huh.

: Also, most of Wall Street effectivly (usually) protect themselves from
: inflation by the use of Derivatives and other market instruments.

Which are wholely run and manufactured by Conservatives & Republicans -
and remember this: Anyone who is making less than 50k per annum (ie.
like you) and who subscribes to the fiscal/budget policies of the
Reps./Consv. is truly a moron. You sir, are an idiot.

: Greenspan's allegiance is to Wall

Greenspan was appointed by Nixon.

: #2 No, not really. It is only those who are living in a fantasy world who
: believe that service jobs such as McDonalds or at the mall should be paid
: enough to buy a house and new cars every year. If the job requires minimal
: skills, then you must expect minimal pay.

Yeah, you would know about working in a menial and subservient capacity.

: Go ahead, give the burger flippers $5,6,7 dollars an hour.
: Then see your value meal cost rise to $5,6 dollars. See how competetive
: you are then. Yep, perfect way to keep the company in the black and give
: it the ability to hire more workers, right?

That is business, but you couldn't fathom it with that pea-sized brain
of yours.

: #3 Great. Bill can raid the S&L in Arkansas and cover it up as Governer
: and President, and you want to give him (or any politician Dem or Rep)
: complete control over the economy.

I hear George's son Neil is going after the TX gubernatorial nomination
soon...oh yeah, whatta about Lt. Col. North, (ret.-arded)? ;)

: 3 strikes and you're out.
: Another fine example of what the liberal education system can produce.
: Talk about vapid, looks like someone has found the f3 Thesaurous function.

"Thesaurous?" Is that something like what you are? An Ignoramous? :)
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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: jarcher@crl.com (John D. Archer)

fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:

: #1 Ask your parents (or anyone else you know who has a job) what happens
: when there is inflation, the consumer's dollor is devalued, and thus has
: less spending power. Maybe even people with mortgages and loans.

Actually freddie boy, I was working when inflation was 18-20% during the 70's.
I have to say that it caused me no pain, everytime prices went up, my wages
went up. The people who were squealing were the bankers and investor's with
fixed rates of interest. Your observations are still a waste of disk space.

: #2 No, not really. It is only those who are living in a fantasy world who
: believe that service jobs such as McDonalds or at the mall should be paid
: enough to buy a house and new cars every year. If the job requires minimal
: skills, then you must expect minimal pay.
: Go ahead, give the burger flippers $5,6,7 dollars an hour.
: Then see your value meal cost rise to $5,6 dollars. See how competetive
: you are then. Yep, perfect way to keep the company in the black and give
: it the ability to hire more workers, right?

Well now, the minimum wage prior to the "Reagan Revolution" was about about
$7 dollars an hour in today's dollars. Currently the minimium wage is $10
an hour in Germany and $12 an hour in Sweden. Apparently you think that
minimum wage = non livable wage is fine just so you and your hero blimpbutt
can wolf down an extra big mac. Don't you have the basic humanity to feel
at least a twinge of conscience at your ready willingness to oppress the
poor so your can die of arteriosceorses? The fact is you presented nothing
that even resembles an adequate contridiction of what I purported to be the
case. Captalist do profit off unemployment by using it to keep wages low.
Your hypothetical example of the bugger flippers overlooks the fact that
their employer driving his bimmer to his suburbian 4 bedroom home is
doing so at the expense of the burger flippers. I maintain this guy is a
leach living off the labor of his workers. Sure he contributes his time
and effort to the business, but the value of his time and effort when
compared in terms of income, is wildly disportionate to the income of his
workers, who, after all are as necessary to the survival of the business
as he is. Moreover, our present government assists, through various
market mechanisms such as the Fed, the captilist in maintaining low wages so
that he can make a larger profit from his employees labor.

: Actually I think that what would best advantage all us
: ' wage slaves is the elimination of the Fed and replacement of it with a true
: ' central bank that is politically accountable to the people.

: #3 Great. Bill can raid the S&L in Arkansas and cover it up as Governer
: and President, and you want to give him (or any politician Dem or Rep)
: complete control over the economy.

First off, I haven't heard of any definitive evidence of Bill raiding an S&L
anywhere, although the evidence is *in* for George's son. Most industrial
nations -even England- have full central banks that are accountable to the
political process. I'm sure there are periodic banking scandals that arise
in these countries, but at present, I really can't recall one in the last
5-10 years. Remember the S&L scandal was the result of deregulation,
something near and dear to blimpass and his ditto heads. The fact is that
the economy, in my estimation, needs more control. Captalists need to be
emphatically told that they are welcome to a piece of the pie, not the
whole damn thing. Businesses need to be disabused of the notion that somehow
their contribution entitles them to have the major say in policy making,
there are other interests in society that should be heard from.

: 3 strikes and you're out.
: Another fine example of what the liberal education system can produce.
: Talk about vapid, looks like someone has found the f3 Thesaurous function.

You still haven't made much sense about anything freddy. Your posts appear
to be a product of great American tradition of the uneducated, know-nothing
conservative who is simply intrested in defending the status quo instead of
doing something about its inadequacies. Grow up, get some education, and
come back when you have something substantive to say. Somewhere along the
way, I hope that you discover that glib rejoinders are no substitute for well
considered statements. In other words, your comments are still vapid.
: Your sig says it all.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com (Richard Griffith II)

dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski) wrote:

> On Sun. Apr 23, 1995, koehler1@a1gw.gene.com told All:
>
> kgc> Blah, blah, blah......
>
> Great start. Too bad you didn't stick with it.

Duh, great start yourself.

>
> kgc> I don't think I've heard Greenspan talking about too many people
> > working.
>
> You don't think. You knee-jerk.

Great, right on topic, standard Liberal response.

>
> kgc> I do think that his primary concern is keeping inflation (hear me
> > you peanut farmers) low.
>
> No you DON'T think. You puke reruns of the entertainment industry branch
> called "news."

Duh, ok Beavis.

>
> kgc> Explain how promoting illegitimacy is good for the U.S. ?
>
> Poor people out fucking rich people will create enough poor people to kill
> and eat the rich. Then we can have a peaceful downslide into chaos. I'm
> sick of the whining noise coming from television "educated"
> rich-people-wanna-be's. All that kicking and crying is annoying.
>

You'll be the first little nerdboy that gets killed and eaten, once you
take your face away from your stained monitor.

> kgc> Explain how our taxes could have gone DOWN, when Willie has had
> > the single largest tax increase instituted in the history of the
> > U.S. ?
>
> They couldn't. They never do. They never have. The entire history of the
> soft little hairless apes has been one of constantly increasing theft from
> each other, and nothing else.
>

Yep, and you're not? Who's footing the bill for this net?
Your poor, minimum wage slaves who can't even afford a computer.

> * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Stupidity is the basic building block of the universe.

You must be Alpha 1 block.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Sun. Apr 23, 1995, koehler1@a1gw.gene.com told All:

kgc> Talk about vapidity, what a dork.

Braggart.

> #1 Ask your parents (or anyone else you know who has a job) what

No, you ask YOUR parents why they left their computer unprotected, and why
they didn't make sure you actually got ON the little school bus today.

> from inflation by the use of Derivatives and other market
kgc> Greenspan's allegiance is to Wall
> check out his ' writings as one of the inner circle of Objectivism,
> line, it is in the interest of ' the captalist to have a large
> Conservative management of the Fed is at the heart of ' why real
> ' administration.
> #2 No, not really. It is only those who are living in a fantasy
> should be paid enough to buy a house and new cars every year. If the
> Go ahead, give the burger flippers $5,6,7 dollars an hour.
> competetive you are then. Yep, perfect way to keep the company in
kgc> Actually I think that what would best advantage all us
> with a true ' central bank that is politically accountable to the

Useless mind fucked garbage. Complete loss of identity in favor of
preprogrammed instruction. There's two social programs being installed in
simple brains, and you've contracted one of them. Both are equally and
identically systematic cognitive circuit destruction. While the bleating
of the sheep heading up the slaughter chute is entertaining, the sheeps'
insistence that it carries any meaning is merely an embarassment.

kgc> 3 strikes and you're out.

Three neurons and you're able to do nothing in life except amateur
politics.

kgc> Your sig says it all.

Thank you.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * System halted. There is NOTHING you can do.

Thank you for keeping alt.slack in your follow-ups.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Sun. Apr 23, 1995, ljduchez@en.com told All:

> You further fail to answer the question I asked. Please, if
> you are going to defend your side, at least answer the questions
> asked.

Here I am trying to clean up all the identical turds left by the lefties
and righties, and you're encouraging them. You dragged them in here,
didn't you?

Why don't we just PAINT THE PLACE PINK AND HANG A VOTING BOOTH CURTAIN IN
FRONT OF THE LOADING RAMP TO THE SAUCERS. Tiny minds racing in the little
circles going from left to right and back TAKE AWAY SLACK. Political
thought is TRYING TO FUCK WITH A LIMP DICK.

And don't tell me about kill files. I tried it. It didn't work. They're
still there.

I WILL be ENTERTAINED or I will remove the offensive and offending parties
spinal cords and fuck their brains by ramming my Homo erectus up their
hollow hunchbacked spinal columns. And I am NOT ENTERTAINED by pitting two
identical opponents against each other so they can each prove themselves
MORE WRONG THAN THE OTHER.

Sure, they're pink but THEIR MONEY IS GREEN. So get the fucking cash and
nail the hides up to dry. It says nothing about KEEPING PINK PETS, and I'm
getting damn tired of stepping in PINK SHIT.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * You will be the victim of a bizarre joke. I promise.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Mon. Apr 24, 1995, Griffith.Richard@gene.Com told All:

GRC> Duh, great start yourself.

I can help with that speech impediment. First, you don't have to type all
those strange noises you make when you talk.

GRC> Great, right on topic, standard Liberal response.

What a fucking blinded, minimal synpase, instilled paradigm entrained
response. (Come on, catch up.) You can feel free to suck the droplets
of your obsessive thoughts of political "knowledge" that have clung to
your multipurpose orifice. (No, I won't hold your hand through this. I'm
not wearing rubber gloves.)

The only thing I prefer about "liberal" over "conservative" is it wastes
less space when I type it.

GRC> Duh, ok Beavis.

I swear, I can't understand why parents can't be held responsible for
their childrens' action. Some behavior is pretty indicative that a
monolithic 18 year age of majority should be repealed in favor of a
minimal capability test. I guess we don't want them to have to spend their
social security retirement checks keeping you in special classes though,
do we?

GRC> You'll be the first little nerdboy that gets killed and eaten,
> once you take your face away from your stained monitor.

How typical of courageous anonymity. The meat of the American Male.
Quit trying to steal peoples' testosternone. If you can't make your own,
you don't get any.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * If you can't be offensive WHY BOTHER?

Thank you for keeping alt.slack in your follow-ups.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: David H Dennis <david@amazing.cinenet.net>

ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez) wrote as follows:
[snip!]

> Who exactly is this "Liberal Elite" that you and your dittohead pals
> constantly talk about? And while we're at it, I have a few questions
> for you:

Unfortunately, I have insufficient data to answer most of them. I'm not
as familiar with the Federal Reserve as I should be, and I'm too
disorganized to dig up old tax returns. (I think if you look at the
total tax burden, including Social InSecurity, you'd find that taxes
have been going up for years, and that the "cuts" we had are largely
illusory).

> - If the Right is for reinstating family values, explain how putting
> children in an orphanage will strengthen the family.

What do you do about families that have fallen apart, about poor mothers who
care about nothing in their lives but drugs, drugs and their welfare
check (used to buy drugs, of course)? I know such people exist because
I fell in love with one once, and it was a disaster. :-(

I think that putting children in a orphanage would be far preferable
than their current position. Sure, taking them out of a healthy family
and putting them into an orphanage wouldn't make any sense; but that
idea's not on the table. Taking kids out of a sick, destructive family
and putting them elsewhere strikes me as a reasonable proposition, one
worthy of a hearing.

We might be able to strengthen the family by using the threat of
orphanages to try and talk some sense into these parents. Some of them
might care enough about their kids to shape up.

> - The papers consistently, every single time, take the side of big
> business over the good of the people. (For example, they talk about
> "Clinton's Tax Plan" because *big business* got its taxes increased,
> even if 99% of peoples' taxes went down.) So given that the papers
> do indeed take the conservative side every time, explain to me how
> the media is so allegedly "liberal".

What is the "good of the people"?

Our nation is so diverse that there are few government programs that
don't help some and hurt others. I don't think there's any such thing
as the good of the people as an aggregate. As a result, I think
government should keep its nose out of our lives. The only exceptions
are basic infastructure (roads and such), and enforcement of criminal
laws and civil disputes.

The good of the people is best left to individual people to decide.

> - Why do they talk about "Liberal Intellectuals" but not "Conservative
> Intellectuals"? Any do conservatives look upon "intellectualism"
> as a character flaw? Could it be that conservative policies don't
> stand up to intelligent scrutiny?

If you're smart and a liberal, you'll become a liberal intellectual.

If you're smart and conservative, you'll become a businessman.
Conservative docterine says that being rich is a frightfully good idea;
nobody gets rich as a politician -- or an intellectual.

Hope this has been helpful, although I'm afraid it's not a frightfully
good topic for alt.slack. :-(

D

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)

dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski) wrote:
> On Sun. Apr 23, 1995, ljduchez@en.com told All:
>
> > You further fail to answer the question I asked. Please, if
> > you are going to defend your side, at least answer the questions
> > asked.
>
> Here I am trying to clean up all the identical turds left by the lefties
> and righties, and you're encouraging them. You dragged them in here,
> didn't you?

Did not! Did not! Perversion-Lad posted, Nenslo replied, P-L countered,
and then the Pope of all Berea didst holler ENOUGH! And my turds are
quite superior. At least I'm tracing them back to the anii what laid 'em.

> Why don't we just PAINT THE PLACE PINK AND HANG A VOTING BOOTH CURTAIN IN
> FRONT OF THE LOADING RAMP TO THE SAUCERS. Tiny minds racing in the little
> circles going from left to right and back TAKE AWAY SLACK. Political
> thought is TRYING TO FUCK WITH A LIMP DICK.

That's as may be, but bear in mind that we still have to deal with
these ninnies until the escape saucers come. We still have to cope
with Newt and the boys bleeding us white until X-Day, and we still
need to fight back. If they confiscate your ticket on July 4 1998
because it's "not an appropriate article to be carrying on Independence
Day", where will you be 7:00 the next morning? Not on the saucers,
I assure you. Not even Wally Warhead will be able to save you then.
This is to say nothing of the possibilities of becoming a casualty in
the slow-motion race riot that the powers-that-be are instigating.

As futile as the effort is, it still falls to some of us Yetinsyn to try
to educate the Hyoo-Mons. They still vote. They are the ones
responsible for the mess we're in. But thanks to those eternally-horny
Yeti, there's at least a smidgen of Yeti blood in nearly everyone ...
perhaps all it takes is the right voice to awaken it.

Will you help, brother? Will you howl the war-cry of the Yeti? Willst
thou make thine voice like unto the sacred Gjallarhorn?

> I WILL be ENTERTAINED or I will remove the offensive and offending parties
> spinal cords and fuck their brains by ramming my Homo erectus up their
> hollow hunchbacked spinal columns. And I am NOT ENTERTAINED by pitting two
> identical opponents against each other so they can each prove themselves
> MORE WRONG THAN THE OTHER.

Praise Dynasoar! Even in thine pokes against him who is Me, art thou
entertaining and neither offensive nor offending. (Hint: if you want
to get under my skin, the number "6.2%" will do it.)

> Sure, they're pink but THEIR MONEY IS GREEN. So get the fucking cash and
> nail the hides up to dry. It says nothing about KEEPING PINK PETS, and I'm
> getting damn tired of stepping in PINK SHIT.

Me too. But I'm mad enough about all the real-world shit to yell and
holler about it. I post as I do for the same reasons you post about
Leonard Peltier: because it's about real injustices that offend our
Yeti cores, and perhaps we can awaken those same sleeping instincts
in others. In my own case, I'm not really partisan, so much as the
'Crats are, very nearly across the board, the lesser of the two evils.
Perhaps we'll reach a day when that's no longer the case (hopefully
because the competition will have improved), and then I will change my
tune.

And really ... "nail the hides up"? Mere rhetoric! At least I'm
trying to *do* something, even if it is only exchanging information ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I say we just bomb a few strategic spots in the midwest. I mean, so
what if it kills a few innocent civilians? We'll teach 'em a lesson right?
They won't go bombing federal buildings no more ..."

-- Somebody or other, on how to deal with the Oklahoma City bombers
(espousing the same tactics so freely wished upon foreigners)

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Mon. Apr 24, 1995, ljduchez@en.com told All:

> Here I am trying to clean up all the identical turds left by the lefties
> and righties, and you're encouraging them. You dragged them in here,
> didn't you?

lc> Did not! Did not! Perversion-Lad posted, Nenslo replied, P-L
> countered, and then the Pope of all Berea didst holler ENOUGH! And
> my turds are quite superior. At least I'm tracing them back to the
> anii what laid 'em.

Oh. Sorry. Well, SOMEONE needs to taste boot. Bring them to me dressed as
Marsha Brady. Or else that other one, the one with the dane bramage.

>If they confiscate your ticket on July 4 1998
> because it's "not an appropriate article to be carrying on
> Independence Day", where will you be 7:00 the next morning?

Dead in the field as I should be if I let them squishy pink things take my
stuff. At least it'd be honorably.

lc> Will you help, brother? Will you howl the war-cry of the Yeti?
> Willst thou make thine voice like unto the sacred Gjallarhorn?

I hear you. And I concur. But it is precisely the howling that I wish for
them to hear and respond to. Certainly not the application of their
identical "logic" to their identical "arguments." That's for the networks.

lc> Praise Dynasoar! Even in thine pokes against him who is Me, art
> thou entertaining and neither offensive nor offending. (Hint: if you
> want to get under my skin, the number "6.2%" will do it.)

Aw, shucks, and now you go and make me feel all the worse by being
gracious about it. 'Sokay, I can handle it. *sniff*

lc> And really ... "nail the hides up"? Mere rhetoric! At least I'm
> trying to *do* something, even if it is only exchanging information

Rhetoric, being the skillful use of language, is not 'mere'. If it's
'mere', it's not rhetoric. 'Mere' is a common CON induced misconception
about the word, created because it is language itself which is most
dangerous to them. They use it as a substitute for consciousness; that's
not just a cute quote from a story in _Three Fisted Tales_, it's a
provable fact. Just overload one with too much language and they, well,
they turn into couch potatoes. They slip into alpha and pretty soon start
developing sleep spikes. We, however, that correctly assume control of
consciousness instead of depending on programmed input for it, are
dangerous because we can use their own weapon against them. So you use
rhetoric too, unless you're going to try to tell me that the above wasn't
skillful use. Careful, I used to get paid to make that judgement.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Complex problems have easy to understand wrong answers.

--
dynasor@infi.net The Doctor is on.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: mrjuicy@rain.org ()

David H Dennis (david@amazing.cinenet.net) wrote:
: We might be able to strengthen the family by using the threat of
: orphanages to try and talk some sense into these parents. Some of them
: might care enough about their kids to shape up.

we might be able to strengthen the family by putting snipers on every
rooftop...

now where's my gun?
--

<<>>the Reverand Doktor Mr. Juicy speaks don't listen don't think<<>>
<<>> for a good time call alt.alien.vampire.womp.womp.womp <<>>
<<>> Send Yer Keys To Clavis <<>>
<<>> MHM 10x5x2 <<>>

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)

Before launching into this, I will note that you understand conservative
economic policy very well. What I don't understand, is how you can
understand it and still SUPPORT it.

ricky@usenet.nerdc.ufl.edu (St. Ain-Soph) wrote:

> The average American is a net debtor, so an inflationary period reduces
> the debt of the individual.
.
.

> So inflation hurts the people who are net creditors and helps people
> who are net debtors. It's the role of the Federal Reserve to protect
> the banking system and the Federal Reserve reacts to inflation by
> attempting to deminish lending activity by raising interest rates.

So it really is US vs. THEM, just like we've been saying! And the
FR is against US and for THEM. Unless you're one of THEM ...

But you missed an important point: the FR isn't reacting to inflation;
it's reacting to UNEMPLOYMENT. Inflation has not much reared its
ugly head in a while, so a cynic (or realist) must ask himself why
the FR is REALLY doing as it does.

> Yes, it IS neccessary to have a pool of unemployed people to prevent
> wage inflation. If a lot of fast food restuarants open up then they
> all must compete for the same labor. Ironically, if an inner-city
> teenager has a job at the Burger Buddy (what was the name of the fast
> food resturant in the movie Falling Down?) then that's good for him but
> bad for the economy. The ideal fast food worker is a college graduate.

Translation: we must actively sacrifice a percentage of our population
to appease "the Economy". We laugh at "primitives" for throwing virgins
into volcanos, and yet you are advocating *the same thing*. Who benefits
from this practice? Well, the rich do directly. How about 99% of the
people reading this? Oh, we are promised that this ritual will drive
away the demon of Inflation, but since El Diablo wasn't lurking to
begin with, I think it's going to be bad medicine for the rest of us.

Let us further consider that no one is really sure exactly what
percentage is best for "The Economy" (our tribal god, if you will).
So that makes it exactly as brutal and illogical as those "primitive"
priests tossing people into the lava.

Really, why do you think it's better to have people with NO money than
it is to have a lot of people WITH money? Why do you think it's bad
that employers would have to consider raising wages or benefits? Yes,
there's the potential of them losing money and having to raise prices;
but since they don't typically CUT prices when they turn greater
profits, I see it as mostly crying "wolf".

Bottom line again: it's US vs. THEM. What I can't understand, is why
you side with THEM. Yes, there's a risk of inflation, but that's
a bad side effect to a good thing (increased wages/benefits). Certainly
better than settling for a good side effect of a bad thing (forced
unemployment).

> The Fed HAS to do
> things that no politician would do: start recessions.

And for whose benefit exactly? The rich. Any benefit for the common
man is a matter of trickle-down ... or more like, trickle-upon.

It's US vs. THEM. You've said so yourself. If you side with THEM,
either you're one of THEM, or else you don't comprehend the situation.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Even in an increasingly technological society, there must always be a
priest class; and the simpleminded will always view the complexities of
life as if they were supernatural.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: ricky@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu (St. Ain-Soph)

ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez) wrote:

: So it really is US vs. THEM, just like we've been saying! And the
: FR is against US and for THEM. Unless you're one of THEM ...

Relax Lou, I'm one of THEM and one of US. Thanks to my Con-Dupe
wife, I am a Net Creditor. On my own, I probably wouldn't qualify
for a loan.

Factoid about the middle class: The middle class is the proletariat.
People like my mother, my father-in-law, my aunts and uncles are
capitalists in ONE sense only -- they have enough wealth stored up
that they DON'T HAVE TO WORK. Our household (wife & I) have a nest-egg
but WE HAVE TO WORK.

The REAL CAPITALIST is a business owner. He owns appartment buildings,
shopping malls, factories, rail-roads, oil wells, and mainframe computers.
The BOURGEOISIE are the managers, lawyers, shop keepers, and all others
who CONTROL but do not OWN capital property. The PROLETARIAT is pure
and simple *labor*... Thus the high-paid engineers and technicians are
still proletariat because they are *employees*.

Of course the distinction can blur when you look at a truck driver who
is in debt for his rig. In fact, the REAL CAPITALIST is both OWNER
and DEBTOR. So what you hear the Wall Street people talk about if
that they want LOW INTEREST rates amd HIGH unemployment. The way
they hope to accomplish these goals is through DECREASED PUBLIC
SPENDING. Thus, the poor people shouldn't get food stamps.
And the minimum wage should be ONE DOLLAR a day.

I myself am SOCIAL DEMOCRAT who believes that society's wealth
SHOULD NOT be concentrated in the hands of a TINY MINORITY. I
believe that society's wealth should be re-distributed from the
rich to the poor. I believe that doctors and engineers and other
SKILLED and SCARCE labor should be rewarded with the highest income,
but not so much that the doctor can retire after one successful
brain surgery. Now in the case of a BILL GATES, I'd take almost
ALL HIS money. If he didn't want the government to take his money
through taxes, then he could give his stock to his employees.

: But you missed an important point: the FR isn't reacting to inflation;
: it's reacting to UNEMPLOYMENT. Inflation has not much reared its
: ugly head in a while, so a cynic (or realist) must ask himself why
: the FR is REALLY doing as it does.

The Federal Open Market Committee looks at a lot of things when it
makes determinations about whether to raise the Fed funds target
interest rate. On one hand they try to do whatever will result
in the GREATEST SUSTAINABLE REAL GDP GROWTH RATE. The economy
should expand with little or no inflation. On the other hand,
they will do whatever is BEST FOR THE BANKING SYSTEM. They want
to preserve the "value" of that::::::

EFFETE UGLY FALLING DOWN AMERICAN DOLLAR

Fortunately, the price of a burger hasn't gone up yet but the price
of a Datsun and a Hyundai is going to go up. So will the price of
a TV set and a VCR. But if the price of oil goes up, then all prices
will go up. So the FOMC is always trying to "get ahead of the curve"
and it looks at commodity prices and gold prices and factory utilization
levels and book-to-bill ratio's and all other such things.

I've always said: It's like sitting in the pilot's seat of a 747 with
ALL THOSE DIALS and GAUGES and METERS and READOUTS. And all they can
do is push the plane up or down and run the engines fasters or slower.
So much input and so little control.

: > Yes, it IS neccessary to have a pool of unemployed people to prevent
: > wage inflation. If a lot of fast food restuarants open up then they
: > all must compete for the same labor. Ironically, if an inner-city
: > teenager has a job at the Burger Buddy (what was the name of the fast
: > food resturant in the movie Falling Down?) then that's good for him but
: > bad for the economy. The ideal fast food worker is a college graduate.
:
: Translation: we must actively sacrifice a percentage of our population
: to appease "the Economy". We laugh at "primitives" for throwing virgins
: into volcanos, and yet you are advocating *the same thing*. Who benefits
: from this practice? Well, the rich do directly. How about 99% of the
: people reading this? Oh, we are promised that this ritual will drive
: away the demon of Inflation, but since El Diablo wasn't lurking to
: begin with, I think it's going to be bad medicine for the rest of us.

I wasn't ADVOCATING this hideous economic system, I was just describing
how I understood it and what I thought the motives of the MUCK-A-MUCK-A's
who run it are.

What was that thing what Wimpy says::::

I WILL GLADLY PAY YOU TUESDAY FOR A HAMBURGER TODAY.

Paper money is merely a token. Maybe all the SubG Media-Provocateurs
will accept NENSLO-Script instead of UGLY EFFETE AMERICAN dollars.
But until we can establish a Sub-Commune PAZ, we'll still need the
Con-Dollar. And the Federal Reserve tries to mantain the real or
illusory value of that Con-Dollar.

: Let us further consider that no one is really sure exactly what
: percentage is best for "The Economy" (our tribal god, if you will).
: So that makes it exactly as brutal and illogical as those "primitive"
: priests tossing people into the lava.
:
: Really, why do you think it's better to have people with NO money than
: it is to have a lot of people WITH money? Why do you think it's bad
: that employers would have to consider raising wages or benefits? Yes,
: there's the potential of them losing money and having to raise prices;
: but since they don't typically CUT prices when they turn greater
: profits, I see it as mostly crying "wolf".

Forget the word "money" for a moment. What we're all trying to do
is to COMMAND the DISTRIBUTION of GOODS and SERVICES. I'll be getting
a hair-cut this afternoon for the price of two lunches. I'd rather
just walk into the barber shot and DEMAND a haircut. Actually,
the idea is not so absurd as it sounds. How do you think PRIMATIVE
society's function? Everyone performs their customary duties.

Ahh... I'm going CROATIAN! Nyes!

: Bottom line again: it's US vs. THEM. What I can't understand, is why
: you side with THEM. Yes, there's a risk of inflation, but that's
: a bad side effect to a good thing (increased wages/benefits). Certainly
: better than settling for a good side effect of a bad thing (forced
: unemployment).

I'm not siding with ANYBODY but MYSELF. I like money. I want money.
I'd rather live in a highly socialized society like just about ANY
European country, but I don't speak Swedish so here I am.

I DO remember what it was like back during the days of 1980-81
when I FELT LIKE A MIME RUNNING AGAINST THE WIND. Inflation
provides the thrill of BIG PAY RAISES but it also forces you
to spend your whole paycheck as soon as possible. Under a
LOW INFLATION environment, I can save money and feel like it
will be worth maybe as much in a year as when I stashed it in
the bank.

: > The Fed HAS to do
: > things that no politician would do: start recessions.
:
: And for whose benefit exactly? The rich. Any benefit for the common
: man is a matter of trickle-down ... or more like, trickle-upon.
:
: It's US vs. THEM. You've said so yourself. If you side with THEM,
: either you're one of THEM, or else you don't comprehend the situation.

If you've got an INTERNET connection then YOU'RE one of THEM. Have
you seen any REALLY POOR PEOPLE lately?

:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Even in an increasingly technological society, there must always be a
: priest class; and the simpleminded will always view the complexities of
: life as if they were supernatural.

....................TEAR.ALONG.THE.DOTTED.LINE.....................
Epopt of the Exploding Head of JFK. Licensed to blaspheme the Gods
My skull is bigger on the inside than the outside!
Send $1 to SubGenius Foundation, P.O. Box 140306, Dallas TX 75214

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: clavis@phantom.com (Grand Clavister)

: fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:

: : I don't think I've heard Greenspan talking about too many people working.

Greenspan's 'job' isn't to get people jobs, just like the job of the USAF
isn't to feed the hungry. SOME people seem to think that an organization
that exists for purely humanitarian (or, perhaps, dolpinarian) purposes
is a "liberal, goody-two-shoes welfare-breaks charity" worthy of scorn.

: : Explain how promoting illegitimacy is good for the U.S. ?

I know you won't believe this, but I happen to be in favor of LESS
government. That includes shutting down welfare. IT ALSO INCLUDES
SHUTTING DOWN SOCIAL SECURITY. PERIOD. In my opinion, just about everything
the government does 'for us' would be better done... not by the STATE
government... not by the LOCAL government... but by the COMMUNITY!!! Back
in 'the good old days', if a person's house burned down, he knew he could
always stay with a neighbor, NOT in a YMCA!!!

Anyhoo, to answer your hate-baiting by implying that ANYONE is really
"promoting illegitimacy". People should be free to make their own
decisions. I don't think that includes children, because kids have to
learn, from their parents AND from other positive role-models and
influences in their neighborhood, how to handle living in this incredibly
convoluted thing we call society.

Believe me, Mr. "Republican", I am in favor of MUCH less government
"help" than even YOU!

: : Explain how our taxes could have gone DOWN, when Willie has had the
single
: : largest tax increase instituted in the history of the U.S. ?

Please, don't EITHER 'side' start yapping about whether taxes have gone
up or down. The current financial system is so monumentally twisted and
full of loopholes, backtracks and addendums that NO one can claim that
ANYTHING concrete has happened to "taxes" in the last 20 years. Every
time a new law is passed regulating commerce, people IMMEDIATELY start
looking for ways around it. Usually, the first ones to find those
loopholes are professional money-handlers; accountants; Merrill-Lynch
types; sometimes we end up with something called a "scandal", in which a
lot of individuals make a LOT of money, and it ends up costing someone
ELSE a whopper of money.

Financial regulation rarely works, but it usually seems to be noble in
original purpose. Let's not pretend to believe that ANYONE in government
is raising or lowering anything for the purpose of "punishing" us, the
taxpayers.

: : Explain why all the papers carried ad nauseum Quayle's blunder but none
: : of
: : them carry anything on Whitewater? Even now that there are a large
number
: : of indictments and jail sentences?

Because Dan Quayle was unique and funny: he was elected vice-president of
our country, and therefore was, as they say, a "heartbeat away from the
Presidency", and yet, time and time again, he would do, say, or write
something that was widely considered to be somehow inappropriate or "less
than efficient". That is classic "dumb-dumb joke" material.

On the other hand, "Whitewater" is one of a gazillion identical "rich
people in positions of power use their authority to attempt to become a
little richer by exploiting the leeway that OTHER high-end people will
give them and by exploiting the loopholes in the system(s)". BORING!!!
We've been having "scandals" like this since the dawn of time, honestly.
Yes, it's a scandal, and at this point, given the public nature of the
'defendants', trying to get an honest answer from ANYONE about ANYTING,
on EITHER side, would be well-nigh impossible. Do you think OJ is guilty?
Do you think his guilt is even an ISSUE at this point? Let's not start
talking about the legal system.

And while we're on the subject of "Rep/Dec Lib/Con" debates, let's just
put out a call for someone to even TRY and tell me that they can really
blame anything on "The liberal democrats", and so on! What the hell is a
"liberal Democrat"? I find it sickening that this country HAS "political
parties", and that most of the people blindy re-elect people 'in their
party', and really have no fucking clue what any actual INDIVIDUAL plans
to do after they get elected!

Weren't we taught in school that "anyone could be elected President"?
Well, I hate to break it to you, but that really isn't the case! You have
to become friends with a large number of "power-brokers" in EITHER
political party, and kiss their asses and play their games for decades,
and by the time you get enough support, NOT from the American people (who
are supposedly the ones VOTING), but from the OTHER Rich Fucks in that
party, that you have a chance at it, you've been playing those stupid
games for so long that you're lucky if you have enough "honest good
intentions" left in your head to pat your dog at night!

WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE PARTY CAUCASES? WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE almost
ALWAYS ONLY TWO PEOPLE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT? Why do we always worry
about voting for "the lesser of TWO evils"?

Anyone reading this and pegging me as a "liberal" OR "conservative" and
shove that peg RIGHT up their ass, because "pegging" is just another way
to not have to THINK! I say that the ONLY things the Federal Government
should be doing is protecting us from enemies too big for us to defear
ourselves! What does that mean?

It means National Defense! That's obvious!

It ALSO means laws preventing multi-conglomerate corporations from taking
over the goddamn country!! Am I against "corporations"? I think they have
their purposes... I ALSO think that, as a system, they are being
thoroughly exploited by Rich Fucks who use them to (sometimes literally)
get away with murder!!

Also consider the fact that, the moment a government gives APPROVAL of
the concept of "a legal entity" (a corporation), it is basically
permitting a group of people to join together, PROVIDED THEY HAVE LOTS
OF MONEY, into, literally, an unstoppable "superperson": a juggernaut of
"legal mumbo-jumbo". Is this "liberal talk"? No. It's the talk of a free
citizen who wants to be able to live a free, decent life. One might wonder
how, for instance, a Park might be protected. The individuals in a community
want to be able to walk their dogs and play ball with their kids, right?
A very Norman Rockwell scenario. Nothing political about it! It's a PARK!

THEN, let's say, AssCo, a corporation that buys and sells land, shows up.
It has gotten a bid from a factory-building company. THEY WANT THAT PARK!
So the corporation offers to buy the land from the government. No
palm-greasing, just a lot of legal wrangling. All perfectly "legal". But,
horror of horrors, the meddling townspeople find out! They decide to fill
a petition with signatures to FIGHT the destruction of their park. Well,
they don't get as many signatures as they want, because most people
"don't care to get involved", but they get quite a few, and they take
this petition to the local government. The assemblymen, comptrollers,
councilmen and other ineffectual politicos agree to "look into it". By
this time, there are already bulldozers parked in the park. Meanwhile, an
election is rolling up! The underdog candidate makes a visible issue of
the park! HE WILL FIGHT IF ELECTED!! Meanwhile, the incumbent (whose
administration, you may remember, approved the park's demise), not only
promises that the factory will provide jobs for the community, but also
promises tax cuts et al!

ELECTION DAY! THE INCUMBENT WINS! THE PARK IS DESTROYED! TAXES DO NOT GO
DOWN! THE FACTORY IS FILLED WITH MACHINES AND IMMIGRANT CHILD LABOR!
THINGS GO ON AS USUAL!!

Sounds like a fairy tale? Not really.

There are a lot of woes in this country that could be solved by "family
values". THAT I agree with.

"Family values", as they exist today, STINK. That I also agree with..

People today spend more time at work and with their co-workers than they
do with their spouses and/or kids. That's insanity. Television is a poor
baby-sitter, as I think we've all realized by now. Anyone who tries to
even IMPLY that spending 8 hours at work is worth not even knowing your
kids, no matter HOW much money you're making, is talking out their ass,
and is HELPING to destroy this country.

Don't give me any bullshit about work being "part of the system". America
has only been around for 200 years. Revolution and CATACLYSMIC change is
part of our Declaration and our Constitution. If you consider yourself an
American, then maybe you should stop playing all these name-calling games
and stand up for the rights of EVERY American. FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY!

Is money evil? No. Money is a convenient method of commerce. THAT's IT!
You want to know what makes me angry? Health insurance. Mortgages. The
idea that "buying-and-selling" is too simple and too efficient for
society today.

Do I pay for medicine when I'm sick? NO. YOU COULD NEVER AFFORD TODAY'S
DOCTOR BILLS. WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA. YOU PAY US EVERY MONTH, FOR NOTHING.
THEN, IF YOU DO GET SICK, AND NEED A $50,000 OPERATION, WE'LL PAY FOR
MOST OF IT. EFFICIENT, EH?

Do I own my own home? NO. YOU COULD NEVER AFFORD THE HOUSE, LET ALONE
LAND TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, ETC. WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA. THE BANK WILL BUY
THE HOUSE FOR YOU, AND YOU WILL SLOWLY PAY THE BANK BACK, OVER A SPAN OF
DECADES, PLUS A CERTAIN EXTRA AMOUNT. IF YOU MISS A PAYMENT, WE PUT YOU
ON THE STREET. OR,

What if I can't get the bank to agree to that? WELL, YOU DON'T NEED TO
OWN YOUR OWN HOME! IF YOU LIKE, YOU CAN LIVE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BUILDING.
THEY DON'T NEED OR WANT TO LIVE THERE, THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE MONEY. SO
YOU CAN LIVE THERE INSTEAD, AND PAY THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY,
FOREVER. EFFICIENT, EH?

One of the BIGGEST problems with this country today, in BOTH "parties",
is that way too much is TAKEN FOR GRANTED. Anyone who says "that's just
the way it is" gets smacked. Nothing is 'just the way it is'. Things
change. Paying my life savings to keep from dying of a disease makes
sense, eh? I live across the street from a Catholic private school. They
have a HUUUUUGE track and field. It's well-kept and very pretty. The kids
who live in apartments nearby hang a basketball hoop on the fence
surrounding the field, and play "sidewalk basketball". WHY don't the kids
play on the field?

BECUASE IT IS _PRIVATE_ _PROPERTY_. The government says that someone,
becuase he/she/it (in the likely case of a corporate holding) has "dibbs"
on the land. They get to do whatever they want with it. And unless they
say so, you can't even TOUCH it.

It's a GODDAMN piece of DIRT! It's grass and trees and dirt! How can I
possibly take it for granted that 99.9% of the land in this country, (or
at least in NY) is "owned" by someone! I am TRAPPED!!! We're all
prisoners! We can't turn around or scratch our asses without asking
SOMEONE's PERMISSION!

This is supposed to be the land of the free. It CAN be. But it isn't.

Not yet.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher William Niemitz)

Nononono...

Guns don't kill kids. KIDS kill kids.
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nonono

semantics kill kids

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From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)
Newsgroups: alt.slack

clavis@phantom.com (Grand Clavister) wrote:

[ del ]

> Anyone reading this and pegging me as a "liberal" OR "conservative" and
> shove that peg RIGHT up their ass, because "pegging" is just another way
> to not have to THINK!

[ mo' del ]

Great rant, mein Herr! You hit it on the head: the goal is not to
decide which of the two supplied alternatives is the "right" one,
but rather to come up with better alternatives than either.

Incidentally, this was my secret strategy, taking on these doofuses
in political debate: to get my Yeti brethren and sistren so sick of
it all that they'd get a-ranting. Really, um, I had it all worked out!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I say we just bomb a few strategic spots in the midwest. I mean, so
what if it kills a few innocent civilians? We'll teach 'em a lesson right?
They won't go bombing federal buildings no more ..."

-- Somebody or other, on how to deal with the Oklahoma City bombers
(espousing the same tactics so freely wished upon foreigners)

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: iceknife@ashram.com (ICEKNIFE)

L@> Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com (Richard Griffith II) mewled:

> Yes my fellow CongressPersons,
> It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4% of
> the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.

L@> So, doesn't that tell you that we should be trying to get the other
L@> 96% online? You're on; why should you be part of the elite?

yup, nevermind what percentage of that is those darn liberal universities...

> You only have to look at this thread to see that the Liberal Elite is
> constantly hard at work, trying to solve the dire problems which face
> this great nation.

how would this wad know? He's had his head up his ass so long he hasn't
seen anything except is own prostate since the Truman administration!

L@> Who exactly is this "Liberal Elite" that you and your dittohead pals
L@> constantly talk about?

Me, Harry Kipper, and Tommy Chong, and no, you CAN'T join! We's ELITE!

L@> So according to the FR, *too many* people are working, and
L@> still more need to be put out of work.
L@> Now, how do you square that with the Conservative view that the only
L@> reason people are out of work is because they're lazy and immoral?

If we WEREN'T lazy immoral FUCKCHUNKS these evil rat bastards might not
appear to be WINNING! Seems to me we have a mandate to overturn any
goverment which engages in excesses beyond the ability of the people to
endure - like a personal tax burden over TWICE that impossed by Mad George!
We not only are too lazy to rise up, we're too goddamn ignorant to know
we're getting cash raped. My confusion stem from this: WHY are they trying
to steal all our SLACK??? Shitfire, it ain't like they'd know what to DO
with it!!! I blame a lot of it on Philo and that ROSWELL shit... ranching
food-humans indeed! How can you respect aliens who eat people without even
marinating??? DISUSTING! Meanwhile back in America less than 2% of the
population controls over 80% of the nation's liquid and semi-liquid assets,
because we're too damn lazy and immoral to get educated and VOTE!

L@> - If the Right is for reinstating family values, explain how putting
L@> children in an orphanage will strengthen the family.

By increasing the number of angry, hungry, directionless but driven,
disassociated young people in the nation, we create a permanent drone class
from which to draw a cheap labor pool and an ignorant voting block; we
also get a HUGE "criminal" class, which scares middle class america into
stay locked in their houses with their families! See?

L@> Reconcile this very factual observation with the conservative /
L@> media myth that Clinton raised your taxes. You *are* being lied to
L@> by the 'Pubs, Rush, and the media. And they know it.

We need a class action suit for criminal fraud!

L@> - The papers consistently, every single time, take the side of big
L@> business over the good of the people. (For example, they talk about
L@> "Clinton's Tax Plan" because *big business* got its taxes increased,
L@> even if 99% of peoples' taxes went down.) So given that the papers
L@> do indeed take the conservative side every time, explain to me how
L@> the media is so allegedly "liberal".

In 1976 over 250 companies controlled the major media outlets, including
the major publishing houses and periodicals, radio, tv, daily papers, etc.;
by 1995 that number has dwindled to 23. Interlockingg directorships and
media "deregulation" have virtually silenced the people everywhere except
here and in the voting booth.

L@> - Why do they talk about "Liberal Intellectuals" but not "Conservative
L@> Intellectuals"? Any do conservatives look upon "intellectualism"
L@> as a character flaw? Could it be that conservative policies don't
L@> stand up to intelligent scrutiny?

"In a sane and rational world, O.J.Simpson would already have been hung"

Wm.F.Buckley

"In a sane and rational world, Wm.F.Buckley's friends could call him
Bunny in PUBLIC"
ICEKNIFE

and...

"Only when we cease to persecute the homosexuals in our society will they
stop entering the political arena and sticking it to the nation, instead of
the hot manbutt they truly crave... Ah, J.Edgar, and poor Clive, to suffer
so for a love that dare not squeak it's name!"
ICEKNIFE

Why is it the overdogs would rather be emperors among idiots than princes
among heros?

ICEKNIFE

... CHOCOLATE OF THE GODS : SASE & $1 to P.O.BOX 140306 DALLAS TX 75214

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: jarcher@crl.com (John D. Archer)

koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:

: "Conservative Intellectuals"?

: There are and they do. To locate them just call 411 and ask for
: Stanford, NYU, Harvard, Columbia etc.

: Its just that the Liberal entrenchment in the Media industry does
: not agree with them, and can't 'waste' their time giving them or
: their ideas equal coverage.
: They believe their time is better spent helping Bill and Hillary
: with acting lessons before they start filming their 'Indepth'
: news programs.

Yah, there are lots of conservative intellectuals. Even in the organizations
mentioned above, but what "freddie" forgets to mention it that by and large,
they're conected with the B school or Department of Economics. In other words
when they start talking about political institutions, actions, and
philosophies they are outside the area of their specialization. Oh yeah,
some of these intellectuals are also found in the Department of Engineering.

Liberal entrenchment in the Media? Yeah, the first time I remember this
complaint surfacing from the subterrainian sewers of the conservative
culture was when Spiro T. Agnew (remember him?) launched his attacks on the
effete intellectual snobs of the Media and Eastern Liberal Establishment.
Hey folks, wake up! Rush is part of the Media too. Just like George Will,
Pat Buchanan, Bill Buckley, George Knovak, Thomas Sowell, William Safire, ad
nauseum. The steady whine of conservatives that the Media is sooooo unfair
to them is just another myth created so that they can feel justified in
dismissing any criticism of their largely self-serving, anti-social agenda
as being motivated by prejudice. Interestingly enough, I hear the liberal
Media quoting the opinions of such "think tanks" (the quotes are indicative
of my skepticism about the quality of their thinking) as the Hertiage
Foundation. I seem to remember William Randolf Hearst III endorsing Bush
'92. Yeah, the Media in this country are really the home of left wing
sympathizers.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: mao@ripco.com (Chairman Mao)

fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:
: Ricky@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu wrote:

: (Much relevant material snipped)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, Praise the Lord, Tammy Faye!!! He got the message!

--
"I saw a sixty foot Jesus in the desert. He told me to collect $6 million in
his name"
Hey, don't bogart the Smokes, preacher dude!

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: heretic@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Damion Schubert)

chappell@Walden.MO.NET (James A. Chappell) says:
>fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:

>: Explain why all the papers carried ad nauseum Quayle's blunder but none
>: of
>: them carry anything on Whitewater? Even now that there are a large
>number
>: of indictments and jail sentences?

>I've seen many articles about Whitewater in the so called liberal press.
>Which papers do you read?

Really. I live in Austin, a very liberal town, and even here, we get
about an article a day on Whitewater. My general feeling? That even
if it's true, it's small potatores compared to HUD, Iran-Contra, S&L
Deregulation, and a host of other things that Reagan and Bush got
nailed on.

{{{{{-------------------------------
Damion Schubert
heretic@tramp.cc.utexas.edu * http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~heretic/tcmag.html
"Christ died for our sins -- dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by
not committing them?" --- Jules Feiffer

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

On Wed. Apr 26, 1995, mao@ripco.com told All:

mc> Lou Duchez (ljduchez@en.com) wrote:
> : Before launching into this, I will note that you understand
> conservative : economic policy very well. What I don't understand,
> is how you can : understand it and still SUPPORT it.

mc> Its called "The Art of Greed".

Very few of those that pretend to the throne of money grubbing qualify.
It's more "The Art of Wannabe", evidence of a successful brainwashing
campaign. Fortunately for them, they'll be too stupid to notice when the
economic dildo gets rammed firmly up their wallet, just like it will the
rest of us. Envy them, for they will enjoy it.

* 2qwk! 1.26b3 * The man who dies with the most toys is dead..

--
dynasor@infi.net The Doctor is on.

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: gilmore@en.com (Gilmore)

TarlaStar (bmyers@ionet.net) wrote:

: I think that MOST if not ALL SubG's are at heart, anarchists. I mean,
: the whole fucking reason that we ARE SubGenii is because we recognise
: that it's all a CON. Please don't get me started...it's really
: frightening to see the things that a combo of, Ayn Rand, Heinlein,
: Firesign Theatre, Phillip Dick, and much much frop, did to the
: interior of my cranium.

Reminds me of what my parents used to tell me. "Boy, you keep smokin'
that frop and readin' all that sci-fi bullshit, yer gonna kill all yer
goddamn brain cells!"

And "Bob"damn it, they were RIGHT! And thank "Bob" for it! In
retrospect it's pretty obvious I'm better off without 'em.

Now I can throw away that damn tinfoil hat.

--
\\\ _ / Gilmore Web Designer
\\\ // i r t u a l gilmore@vv.com "The world won't stand still..."
\\// / http://www.en.com/users/gilmore/gilmore.html
\/ \/ i S i o N s --------------- http://www.vv.com ----------------

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: aloomis@whale.st.usm.edu (Austin George Loomis)

The following advice, posted by ICEKNIFE (iceknife@ashram.com) to alt.slack
only (perhaps due to a newsreader procedure) is hereby crossposted to all the
newsgroups the original thread was in (except the one that didn't seem very
relevant). I apologize for not flaming fucking faggots, but I think they can
flame/defend themselves, and I'm supportive of their side anyway.

Everything below this .sig is from ICEKNIFE, not me. You have been warned.
--
Austin George Loomis, aloomis@whale.st.usm.edu, is just zis guy, ya know?
No .sig today. .Sig tomorrow, there's always a .sig tomorrow.
(Apologies to Mikey "Dreamy" Inglis, and to EarthForce CDR Susan Ivanova)
Somebody's got to have some perspective around here. Sooner or later, .sig!
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>From iceknife@ashram.com Fri Apr 28 14:28:27 CDT 1995
Article: 15852 of alt.slack
Path: nntp.usm.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!
+ mojo.eng.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!world!uunet!hodes.
+ com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!ashram!iceknife
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Message-ID: <6034@ashram.com>
Reply-To: iceknife@ashram.com (ICEKNIFE)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:29:26
Subject: Re: Perversion
From: iceknife@ashram.com (ICEKNIFE)
Lines: 62

Guess what, sweetiepie...

YOU ARE LOCKED INSIDE A CHUNJGA BOOTH, AND WILL NEVER EVER ESCAPE!
I SWITCHED LABELS ON SPERM DONOR VIALS AND MANY BLACK BABIES WILL
SPILL FROM PINK VAJEENAS BECAUSE I'M HERE TO HELP YOU! BEND OVER AND
SQUEAL LIKE A MANDRIL FOR YOUR SALVATION; YOUR PERVERSION IS SHOWING
THROUGH, ALONG WITH THE "EVERYBODY'S JUST LIKE ME, BUT THE TV PEOPLE
ALL LIE ABOUT IT" WHINE, THE "MY PINK BUTT IS THE BEST PINK BUTT" GRUNT,
AND ALL THE OTHER PITIFULL AND SEEMINGLY ENDLESS SYMPTOMS OF YOUR CONTROL
MANIA. EAT MORE BRAN. I AM SMOKING DRUGS AND DOING SEXNUGGOS WITH YOUR
LITTLE SISTER WHILE I TYPE THIS AND SHE'S SCREAMING "YES, FUCK ME SENSIBLE,
IT CAN BE DONE, YESSS, I'M CUMMING AND CUMMING AND CUMMMMMMIIINNNNGGGG!"
AND NOW YER JEALOUS BECAUSE THE STUCK UP BITCH WAS TOO GOOD TO FUCK HER OWN
KIN, HUH YA FUCKING INBRED BOTTOM FEEDER! YOU ARE A MEDIA DRONE.

where exactly did you learn that phrase, "liberal media"?

FROM THE LYING FUCKING MEDIA, DUMBSHIT!!!

THE DEMOCRATS ARE SECRET NAZIS...

THE REPUBLICANS ARE HELLCRITTERS LOOKING FOR SOULS TO SQUEEZE!

YOU ARE A SERVANT OF BOTH! WISE UP, RISE UP, AND STOP GETTING WITH THE
PROGRAM, CHOADBURGER! LOOSE YOUR MIND - IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT HELPING YOU
ANYWAY!!!

==========================

Self Esteem Exercise:

1.Have a crown, sceptre, orb, and throne made

2.Wear the crown, hold the orb and sceptre, and sit in the throne while
in your garage, or study.

3.Practice issuing idiotic and arbitrary judgements (you should have a leg
up on this part due to your rather extensive experience in this area).

4.Move the whole show into the living room; practice on hapless unfortunate
desperate unhappy people who happen to be related to you.

5.Take it out on the front lawn. Buy a purple robe. Wave like the queen you
are.

6.PULL YER HEAD OUTTA NEWT'S ASS AN FIGURE SOME SHIT OUT FOR YOURSELF!
STOP FOLLOWING 'ANYONE', YOU QUARTER-WIT DIP-SHIT CON-CLONE!

==========================

Don't bother posting to alt.slack again until you've followed ALL 6 STEPS
at LEAST 30 or 40 thousand times and died!

I'm the only friend you've ever had, or ever will have. You can trust me
because I'm here to HELP you.

ICEKNIFE

... TOUCH A CABBAGE THE SPECIAL WAY : SASE & $1 to P.O.BOX 140306 DALLAS TX
75214

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: s009aeh@discover.wright.edu (ANDREW HERMETZ)

fred koehler (koehler1@a1gw.gene.com) wrote:
> ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez) wrote:
> ' Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com (Richard Griffith II) wrote:
> ' >
> ' > Yes my fellow CongressPersons,
> ' >
> ' > It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4% of
> ' > the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.
> '
> ' So, doesn't that tell you that we should be trying to get the other 96%
> ' online? You're on; why should you be part of the elite?
> '
> ' > Why, the Internet is the last free sanctuary for true Democracy.
> '
> ' Probably true at this point.

'Scuse me for butting in, but last I heard: the Federal gov't was in
the process of cutting funding to the Internet -- which was no big deal
since it was less than 5% of the total budget. So, the US gov't is
getting out (or is already out) of the Info-<insert favorite
transportation analogy here> business.
Besides, it matters very little, once the National Information
Infrastructure is up and running, we'll all be under Al Gore's thumb
anyway (just imagine the kind of shitty decorating Tipper's gonna wanna
do -- eeeuuuhhh!).
So sit back, relax, and await the arrival of your friendly goverment
Infomation Officer to come authorize you access...

"Just Say KNOW to NII, Clipper, SkipJack, & BATF/DEA/CIA/FBI"

Andy "OverMan-In-Training" Hermetz
<Lover/Thinker/Student/Sex-Slack Fiend>

> fred koehler
> "Just Tao It"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^>>>>>That's a good one! I like that!

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Subject: Re: Perversion
From: ac118@lafn.org (Matthew Carey)

In a previous article, ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez) says:

>Griffith.Richard@Gene.Com (Richard Griffith II) wrote:
>>
>> Yes my fellow CongressPersons,
>>
>> It is vital that we keep the Internet publicly funded, so that 4% of
>> the public has access to what 100% of the public pays for.
>
>So, doesn't that tell you that we should be trying to get the other 96%
>online? You're on; why should you be part of the elite?
>

That would be good, as far as I'm concerned, to have every damned
individual in the known Yumaverse in on this medium.

Meanwhile, I'm concerned with this use of the word "elite" as if it were
some sort of naughty thing or something. I'm elite, and I'm damn proud
of it. I'm in the top .00005 percent of the world's population where
intelligence is concerned. Not by virtue of any "standardized"
intelligence test. I'm so brilliant, I WROTE MY OWN TEST. And aced it.

Not only that, but I have access to the internet, and not by virtue of
any "expensive technology" but by virtue of psychokinesis and other Mental
Powers. I not only read minds, I WRITE THEM. Damn right I'm an elitist,
because I'm *way* up there.

But do you think I was born this way. I *wasn't*. I was born plain,
just like most everyone else. Sure, I was lucky enough to be born
without any prenatal environmentally attributable brain damage, but who
isn't?

It's just that one day I saw the light. THE HOT WHITE CLEAR LIGHT. I
saw it, I bought it -- and I threw out the instruction manual. I'm an
elitist all right, because if not me, then *who*? You? Okay fine! Now
we have a club.

--
Rev. Matthew A. Carey Rips \ on Vision Temple--Tarzana, CA
18653 Ventura Blvd., Suite #379 ]\[ "We are not an occult."
Tarzana, Calif. 91356 Rips \ off mnbvc
ac118@lafn.org ]\[

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