Subject: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...

From: "Doktor Lumpen" <NOSPAMlumpen@bigfoot.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 8:15 AM
Message-ID: <7fn7fm$ic4$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>

Did anyone else giggle in disblief upon hearing Clinton's sppech
yesterday on the newest school shooting? I happened to catch the end of it
on CNN, and Bill uttered the following hypocrisy: He beseeched parents to
``ask what else they can do to shield our children from violent images and
experiences that warp young perceptions and obscure the consequences of
violence - to show our children by the power of our own example how to
resolve conflicts peacefully.'' And then he said, "We have to take this
opportunity to hammer home this point for our children -- Violence... is...
wrong." Then he called for a "moment of silence in prayer" during which he
obviously closed his eyes and counted to 10 (no time to pray, I'm workin!).
But during this whole thing all I could think of was the pictures I'd seen
of the chopped-in-half ethnic Albanians strewed around the convoy we bombed.

What a fucker!

Who's responsible for just about ALL the real, true-life
non-special-effects "violent images" we see? The government! Take your
pick: Waco, Yugoslavia, Iraq, your friendly neighborhood drug war, all
brought to you by the United States Government. Violent movies and
videogames are just make-believe. Kids can sort fantasy from reality. But
the reality is PLENTY. American students are out there conditioned by the
Conspriracy to bloodthirstily support insertions of ground troops in
Yugoslavia and bombings of Sudanese pharmaceutical plants. What is the
lesson taught to young students studiously studying UN Peacekeeping Forces?
In Ingsoc Newspeak (the new esperanto?): WAR IS PEACE. Is it any wonder
that the "School Shooting" meme is running wild?

And Clinton has the gall to remind the kiddies that "violence... is...
wrong" while he asks congress for at least SIX BILLION "Bob"-damn dollars to
illegally attack a sovereign nation half way across the world. There are
(WERE) only 24 million people in Yugoslavia. That's $250 Ameribucks spent
on each and every Yugoslavian, and $22 bucks extorted from every American
citizen. What a rip-off! I assure you that if I had those $22 dollars back
I would NOT be interested in purchasing bridge rubble with a side of
corpses, thank you. But the scary thing is... I think most Good American
High School Students WOULD buy all the war they could. Some will even
donate some to their high school.

-Doktor Lumpen

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I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked,
...angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the
starry dynamo in the machinery of night...
-Allen Ginsburg, "Howl"
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 9:25 AM
Message-ID: <371F315E.1779EB1@succeeds.com>

Doktor Lumpen wrote:
>

Two points:

1) Bill Clinton is *exactly* wrong: it is not the "exposure to
violence" that makes children violent. When children are raised
*in* a violent situation, they tend to become violent; but when
they are "exposed" to violence objectively, LIKE IN SCHOOL, they
tend to *avoid* it.
However, THE CULT OF NICE, which comprises most of the school
districts and teachers in the U.S., are for sterilizing anything
NOT NICE from the curriculum. The students see and understand
that THEY ARE BEING LIED TO, by omission, and this bugs the HELL
out of them.
The weakest minds are the ones who buy into it. The mediocre
minds freak out and become obsessed with morbidity (like Goths),
and only those with strong minds TRANSCEND it to find out the
truth on their own. This also tends to make the hate and despise
such doublespeakers as Clinton.

2) As to the use of force. It is the prerogative of the U.S.
to use force against any wog (read: East of Gibralter) who
pisses us off. There is never any "good" reason to go to war,
only a "good enough" reason for us to kick seven bells out of
any wog individually or in groups.
And that should be the only criteria for going to war.

PREPARING to go to war, and what to do WHEN we are at war,
is the second part of the equation.
Firstly, "Diplomacy is war through other means." This means
that if your diplomacy is good enough, you should be able to
achieve all or more of the goals you desire without killing
wogs. Read this as: Our foreign policy was fucked up, so
we are now sending our soldiers to kill and die. Blame them,
not us.
Secondly, War is for warriors. Sending non-warriors to fight
is a furtive and useless exercise. IT IS FAR WORSE, HOWEVER,
WHEN YOU HAVE NON-WARRIORS DIRECTING A WAR.
As Lyndon Johnson learned, and as Bill Clinton will learn,
politics and war do not mix. Either the politics win and you
lose the war, or you lose both. Already, the commanding General
of U.S. forces is chafing beneath the command of 17 or more
political wonks in the White House who want to tell him how
to do his job.

In conclusion, don't sweat it. Humans are the worlds #1 expendable
item. Every 100 years--all new people. There are always more
where they came from. They are nothing but 115 pound sacks of
blood and shit. Don't worry, be happy, drop the bomb, kill them all.

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Expending Humans as cannon fodder since 1995:

The Phoenix SubGenius Clench #1

http://elohim.dogma.org/~phxclench/

"War is Hell. But peace is a Motherfucker!"
--Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: "König PreuBe, GmbH" <bbombere@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 9:49 AM
Message-ID: <371F3700.F605A4ED@erols.com>

Doktor Lumpen wrote:

> Did anyone else giggle in disblief upon hearing Clinton's sppech
> yesterday on the newest school shooting?

Yuh, Clinton's kind of a nimrod, he reminds me of a cross
between JFK and Jimmy Carter, if you too the worst of both.

On the other hand, he did get everyone sniggering (can I say that)
about bj's.

Hey! Wait a minute! You mean they can blast the dookie out
of Yugoslavia for only $22 bucks each? Well, you'd think that with $30
each, the CoSg could at least blow up New Jersey or something!?!?

C'mon , yous guys!
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: "Doktor Lumpen" <NOSPAMlumpen@bigfoot.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 10:34 AM
Message-ID: <7fnfka$iri$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>

nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote in message
news:371F315E.1779EB1@succeeds.com...

> Two points:
>
> 1) Bill Clinton is *exactly* wrong: it is not the "exposure to
> violence" that makes children violent. When children are raised
> *in* a violent situation, they tend to become violent; but when
> they are "exposed" to violence objectively, LIKE IN SCHOOL, they
> tend to *avoid* it.

Oh my my, oh hell yes. Your points are right on.

Clinton's full of shit in saying that shielding our children from
"violent images" (Quake, Natural Born Killers, etc.) would help stop school
shootings. But the real knee-slapper is that even if he BELIEVES that
sociological bullshit, he's a hypocrite for waging an illegal,
ill-conceived, "face-saving" war simply because all attempts to bully
Milosevic politically failed. And if he DOESN'T believe what he's saying,
he may not be a hypocrite in his heart, but that would make him a lying
asshole using merehume tradgedy to spout politically correct mush that gets
the housewives nodding gravely. My vote is that he's both.

> However, THE CULT OF NICE, which comprises most of the school
> districts and teachers in the U.S., are for sterilizing anything
> NOT NICE from the curriculum. The students see and understand
> that THEY ARE BEING LIED TO, by omission, and this bugs the HELL
> out of them.

And this, I think, is the real force behind things like the school
shootings. Sure, some of these kids are just good ol' dyed in the wool
Po'buckers, but the Trenchcoat Mafia strikes me as being smart enough to
realize that they're being lied to, too smart to block it out and play along
(like the jocks they hated), and yet too stupid to fight back slackfully.
The Con today is tough on kids. They are made paranoid by a system
where the authority figures are constantly on the lookout for "weird" kids
who might go nuts. The metal detectors at the school doors may make them
feel like inmates (safe inmates, maybe). The War on Drugs makes the drug
users feel like criminals, and confuses and angers them as they realize from
personal experience that their DARE education was pure viscious propaganda
(not to say the Trenchcoat Mafia used any drugs. I actually doubt that
highly). Of course kids in today's system lose respect for the authority
figures who lie to them (by omission or otherwaise). Of course they tend to
reject everything they're taught, including the little bit of sane
common-sense morality that squeezes in. Of course many of them want to
escape, through suicide, and take with them their tormentor and the adults
who lie to them and force them into the situation with them. Obviously
these kids never found the word of "Bob".
I think a lot of us here understand the urge to kill everyone in their
high school. That's part of the reason we can joke about it. We made it
out of that heart of darkness, and only succumbed to the GOOD kind of
madness. I know that my dogeared copy of Revelation X helped me through the
last few years of high school.
Far more effective than "shielding" out children from nasty thoughts and
images would be to distribute Subgenius literature to outcasts and put
copies in the high school libraries... Nothing brings catharsis to the yeti
geek like the knowledge that the WORST punishment you can give to your pink
tormentors is LET THEM LIVE. Maybe we should start an outreach program.
Maybe we could get federal funding (har har). Children of America don't
need the point to be "hammered" home that "violence... is... wrong," they
need to embrace the mantra, "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke."

-- Doktor Lumpen
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I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked,
...angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the
starry dynamo in the machinery of night...
-Allen Ginsburg, "Howl"
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: temujin9@io.com (Reverend Imposter Eliot)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 10:37 AM
Message-ID: <37213f32.6698827@localhost>

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:15:58 -0500, "Doktor Lumpen"
<NOSPAMlumpen@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>In Ingsoc Newspeak (the new esperanto?): WAR IS PEACE. Is it any wonder
>that the "School Shooting" meme is running wild?

I doubt that's the reason for the School Shooting meme. My personal
bet is that its a end product of the "everybody is super-duper-
awesome-good" meme that parents and teachers like to drill into kids,
in an attempt to raise self esteem without actually improving the kids
themselves[1]. Stupider kids buy it, and when their belief that they
deserve everything runs aground of the stupidity and nastiness of the
world, they snap.

> And Clinton has the gall to remind the kiddies that "violence... is...
>wrong" while he asks congress for at least SIX BILLION "Bob"-damn dollars to
>illegally attack a sovereign nation half way across the world. There are
>(WERE) only 24 million people in Yugoslavia. That's $250 Ameribucks spent
>on each and every Yugoslavian, and $22 bucks extorted from every American
>citizen. What a rip-off! I assure you that if I had those $22 dollars back
>I would NOT be interested in purchasing bridge rubble with a side of
>corpses, thank you.

Agreed. Clintoon is a hypocritical asswipe...just like most of
America, and indeed probably the world. Or did you forget that almost
all of the participants claim to believe in a man who espoused total
non-violence[2]?

temujin9
1) You want to give kids self esteem, you teach them how to do stuff
well. Trust me, years of self-esteem crap from my teachers didn't
hold a lighted fart to the boost that I got from scoring a 4 (best
possible score) on the AP Calculus test.
2) Actually, I'm not sure of this; aren't there Muslims on one side of
this thing? At least their religion is a little more honest about
the warmongering side of their culture.
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: <hellpie@dillinger.io.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 10:52 AM
Message-ID: <7fngjs$qvm$1@hiram.io.com>

König PreuBe, GmbH <bbombere@erols.com> done quothed up:
> Hey! Wait a minute! You mean they can blast the dookie out
> of Yugoslavia for only $22 bucks each? Well, you'd think that with $30
> each, the CoSg could at least blow up New Jersey or something!?!?

[cue sally struthers:]
"for only pennies a day you can help clothe and maintain this poor
starving cruise missile. your generous contribution can change the
existence of a lonely (weep), starving tactical weapon in a distant
foreign land, who might not otherwise have any hope of someday tearing a
new one into a hospital or power plant...."
[cut; return sally to the soylent buffet table]

-- the blessed revdoc hellpie | proud sponsor of the international
< h!ellp!ie[yat]i?o[daat]c?o?m > | zionist conspiracy olympic team
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: geoff.bronner@dartmouth.edu (Geoffrey V. Bronner)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 11:04 AM
Message-ID: <geoff.bronner-ya02408000R2204991204180001@news.dartmouth.edu>

In article <37213f32.6698827@localhost>, temujin9@io.com (Reverend Imposter
Eliot) wrote:
>
>I doubt that's the reason for the School Shooting meme. My personal
>bet is that its a end product of the "everybody is super-duper-
>awesome-good" meme that parents and teachers like to drill into kids,
>in an attempt to raise self esteem without actually improving the kids
>themselves[1]. Stupider kids buy it, and when their belief that they
>deserve everything runs aground of the stupidity and nastiness of the
>world, they snap.
>

Exactly... if you have a bunch of kids who feel entitled to the world on a
silver platter and with no ability to achieve anything you're gonna have a
real mess when they find out the truth.

Life sucks (until you find "Bob" anyway). Duh.

-G
--
<http://www.dartmouth.edu/~geoffb/>
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: mbaranczak@FUCK.SPAM.earthlink.net (Mike Baranczak)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Apr 22, 1999 1:04 PM
Message-ID: <mbaranczak-ya02408000R2204991304460001@news.earthlink.net>

In article <7fnfka$iri$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, "Doktor Lumpen"
<NOSPAMlumpen@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> I think a lot of us here understand the urge to kill everyone in their
> high school. That's part of the reason we can joke about it.

"I'm gonna do it soon, if I could only get my hands on one I know I could
slip it out of my bag and make Swiss cheese out of this place. I mean my
English class at school, my first class in the morning.. didn't I talk
about it before, my fantasy that always creeps on my back when I'm sitting
there each morning... just wanting to whip out a tommy gun and blast away
(Nothing less will do, no pistols, nothing else besides rat-a-tat-tat,
dig?)" - Jim Carroll, "Basketball Diaries"

Remember the other school massacre a few months back? I just read that
the parents of one of the victims are sueing a whole bunch of people,
including the company that put out the movie version of the "Diaries".
They're saying it inspired the kid... Well, what the fuck does that mean?
Maybe the kid saw the movie and it somehow resonated with him - but the
real question is, what brought him to that mental state in the first place?
High school is a fucked up place, and most Normal adults are unwilling to
face this. Then they wonder why the kids are acting crazy, and they blame
heavy metal.

- MB

______________________________________
>> The Wallwrestling Institute <<
http://home.earthlink.net/~mbaranczak/
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: David Tanstaafl <David@tanstaafl.cc>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: David@tanstaafl.cc
Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 1:22 AM
Message-ID: <372011A6.31E0@tanstaafl.cc>

>
> In conclusion, don't sweat it. Humans are the worlds #1 expendable
> item. Every 100 years--all new people. There are always more
> where they came from. They are nothing but 115 pound sacks of
> blood and shit. Don't worry, be happy, drop the bomb, kill them all.

Good points, but we're in Yugoslavia for one reason. It is what we owed
the EU for their support against Iraq. Good trade, we got cheap oil for
being stuck in an interminable morass of religious/ethnic strife.
Rev. Moxie
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: David Tanstaafl <David@tanstaafl.cc>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: David@tanstaafl.cc
Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 1:24 AM
Message-ID: <37201235.6532@tanstaafl.cc>

Mike Baranczak wrote:
> "I'm gonna do it soon, if I could only get my hands on one I know I could
> slip it out of my bag and make Swiss cheese out of this place. I mean my
> English class at school, my first class in the morning.. didn't I talk
> about it before, my fantasy that always creeps on my back when I'm sitting
> there each morning... just wanting to whip out a tommy gun and blast away
> (Nothing less will do, no pistols, nothing else besides rat-a-tat-tat,
> dig?)" - Jim Carroll, "Basketball Diaries"
>
> Remember the other school massacre a few months back? I just read that
> the parents of one of the victims are sueing a whole bunch of people,
> including the company that put out the movie version of the "Diaries".
> They're saying it inspired the kid... Well, what the fuck does that mean?
> Maybe the kid saw the movie and it somehow resonated with him - but the
> real question is, what brought him to that mental state in the first place?
> High school is a fucked up place, and most Normal adults are unwilling to
> face this. Then they wonder why the kids are acting crazy, and they blame
> heavy metal.

It was Ozzy and Black Sabbath, then Dungeons and Dragons, now Doom and
Marilyn Manson. All in all just excuses for people who can't accept
personal responsibility.
Rev. Moxie
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: "Curtis R. Anderson" <gleepy@intelligencia.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 12:40 AM
Message-ID: <372007BC.1E0F4863@intelligencia.com>

Thank you for saying that.

Whatever happened to accepting responsibility for your own actions? Oh,
yeah, we have President Blow Job in the White House who sure doesn't
seem to accept responsibility for letting Monica suck on the ol' knob a
bit.

Of course, I fear now for folks like me. The silent, studious,
introspective thinker types who were terrified of gym class in their
elementary and middle school days. At the rate we are going, being a
quiet loner will be classed as a mental illness, all because folks like
me don't want to talk about things that aren't that important, and just
want to get back to playing with the computer, studying or whatever we
were doing.

The child is asked by some wannabe counselor, overimpressed with his/her
own importance, if there is something they want to talk about. The child
just wants to be left alone, then goes on a tirade of expletives
guaranteed to make a Marine wince or a veteran SubGenius proud.
--
Curtis R. Anderson, Co-creator of "Gleepy the Hen", SP 2.5?, KoX
http://www.servtech.com/~cra/ | Western New York: as Canadian
ftp://ftp.servtech.com/pub/users/cra/ | as you can get in the States
mailto:gleepy@intelligencia.com | UTM: PS 7036 7315, zone 17
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: David Tanstaafl <David@tanstaafl.cc>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: David@tanstaafl.cc
Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 9:03 AM
Message-ID: <37207DBC.59C7@tanstaafl.cc>

Sort of like Daria' first day on her own show. When she was judged to
have low self esteem, she answered, "No I just have low esteem for
everyone else"
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: hellpope_huey@my-dejanews.com
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 11:46 AM
Message-ID: <7fq85o$52l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>

In article <geoff.bronner-ya02408000R2204991204180001@news.dartmouth.edu>,
geoff.bronner@dartmouth.edu (Geoffrey V. Bronner) wrote:
> In article <37213f32.6698827@localhost>, temujin9@io.com (Reverend Imposter
> Eliot) wrote:
> >
> >I doubt that's the reason for the School Shooting meme. My personal
> >bet is that its a end product of the "everybody is super-duper-
> >awesome-good" meme that parents and teachers like to drill into kids,
> >in an attempt to raise self esteem without actually improving the kids
> >themselves[1]. Stupider kids buy it, and when their belief that they
> >deserve everything runs aground of the stupidity and nastiness of the
> >world, they snap.
> >
> Exactly... if you have a bunch of kids who feel entitled to the world on a
> silver platter and with no ability to achieve anything you're gonna have a
> real mess when they find out the truth.
> Life sucks (until you find "Bob" anyway). Duh.
> -G

I'd like to add this: our educational system is destructively neurotic
about making everyone "well-rounded." There's little accomodation for
those who excel in THIS area but not in THAT one. All are shoved down
the same pipe by force. Many talents and potentially productive
proclevities are wasted in the process. Pisses ya off, too. Hard to
build any legitimate self-esteem when your being pulled away from that
which first latches on to your real self, such as, in my case, music.

I finally blew off college because they wanted to force me into several
expensive years of "basic" credits when I KNEW my talents were in music,
writing and graphic arts. I wouldn't even be ALLOWED to take a music
course until I'd satisfied the system's arbitrary terms. This is crap.
Surely a concurrent program would have sufficed.

I need to speak another language about as much as I need a band saw for
a cock ring and I have to look at my hand to tell you how many fingers I
have at any given moment, so poor are my math skills. Oh, I can handle
enough to use my PC & synthesizers, but calculus? Sorry, no.

By the way, I failed logic, EIEIEIII!!! Just couldn't figure out how to
apply mathematical strictures to what I always saw as abstractions. And
that made me a "failure," right? Eeh, don't think so! Just different.

When you create that kind of frustration and needless internal friction,
you're doing a young person the most sinister kind of disservice. No
wonder that the already-simmering YAARRGGHHHH that makes up much of the
teen years turns violent.

In short, Mom & Dad often DO suck and authority figures SHOULDN'T be
trusted beyond a minimal point because they prove time and again that
they don't know which hole to shit out of, so they emit from ALL of 'em.

"Son, never listen to a priest or a policeman; the only thing they have
the key to is the shithouse." William Burroughs

HellPope Huey, Radio Doktor, SynthMeister
& Dobbster since 1981
"aS CrAzY aS yOu & tWiCe aS dAnGeRoUS wItHouT MeDiCaTioN"

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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: geoff.bronner@dartmouth.edu (Geoffrey V. Bronner)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 12:24 PM
Message-ID: <geoff.bronner-ya02408000R2304991324160001@news.dartmouth.edu>

In article <372011A6.31E0@tanstaafl.cc>, David@tanstaafl.cc wrote:
>
>Good points, but we're in Yugoslavia for one reason. It is what we owed
>the EU for their support against Iraq. Good trade, we got cheap oil for
>being stuck in an interminable morass of religious/ethnic strife.

Well this economy isn't going to roar along like this forever... the must
figure that a boost in defense spending can't hurt. That budget surplus was
just sitting there anyway.

-G
--
<http://www.dartmouth.edu/~geoffb/>
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: temujin9@io.com (Reverend Imposter Eliot)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999 1:47 AM
Message-ID: <3722600a.3305385@localhost>

On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:46:49 GMT, hellpope_huey@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> I'd like to add this: our educational system is destructively neurotic
> about making everyone "well-rounded." There's little accomodation for
> those who excel in THIS area but not in THAT one. All are shoved down
> the same pipe by force. Many talents and potentially productive
> proclevities are wasted in the process. Pisses ya off, too. Hard to
> build any legitimate self-esteem when your being pulled away from that
> which first latches on to your real self, such as, in my case, music.

Or in mine, computers, math, and science. Though to be honest, I
liked almost any subject as long as I was learning something, which is
why I hated school up until high school junior year, when math started
getting tough and english classes started separating into the "care"
and "don't care" classes.

But your point is dead on. Schools love to crow about "reaching your
potential", but as soon as they get a kid with any, their reaction is
to sand him down so he'll fit in the pegs like all the others.

> In short, Mom & Dad often DO suck and authority figures SHOULDN'T be
> trusted beyond a minimal point because they prove time and again that
> they don't know which hole to shit out of, so they emit from ALL of 'em.

You're now officially worth reading. You have the three things so
lacking in most posters: a verifiable life outside of USENET, the
ability to listen to good advice, and, most importantly, a POINT.

Tarla, P-Lil, and kevbob still have you beat, though, so don't go
getting too cocky.

--
Nathaniel Eliot THE Reverend Imposter Eliot
temujin9@io.com (AUTOEXCOMMUNICATED)
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: "König PreuBe, GmbH" <bbombere@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999 6:10 AM
Message-ID: <3721A6C0.EC56B661@erols.com>

Reverend Imposter Eliot wrote:

> Tarla, P-Lil, and kevbob still have you beat, though, so don't go
> getting too cocky.

Hah! If you think that Tarla is worth reading,
you should read her posts to nz.general!

She's trying to Okiefy New Zealand!
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: monsterwax@aol.com (Monsterwax)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Apr 27, 1999 7:59 PM
Message-ID: <19990427205938.18130.00000321@ng123.aol.com>

Why can't people just leave that nice president alone? He's trying to save a
nation from violence the best way he knows how. But some people are just
jealous that he's President and they are not. They'll say anything, even lie
about him fooling around on the First Lady.

I never listen to such gossip, and you shouldn't either.

Same goes for any other criticism of our elected leaders. I say America, love
it or leave it!
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: CDAAAH <cdaaah@bellsouth.net>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: cdaaah@bellsouth.net
Date: Tue, Apr 27, 1999 9:10 PM
Message-ID: <37266E3C.8DE75FA7@bellsouth.net>

Monsterwax wrote:

> Why can't people just leave that nice president alone? He's trying to save a
> nation from violence the best way he knows how. But some people are just
> jealous that he's President and they are not. They'll say anything, even lie
> about him fooling around on the First Lady.
>
> I never listen to such gossip, and you shouldn't either.
>
> Same goes for any other criticism of our elected leaders. I say America, love
> it or leave it!

...Or knock it a new assoul.
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Subject: Re: Trenchcoat Mafia - It's just their way...
From: HellPope Huey/my-dejanews.com <hellpope_huey@my-dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Apr 27, 1999 11:15 PM
Message-ID: <7g6219$6vd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>

In article <3722600a.3305385@localhost>,
temujin9@io.com (Reverend Imposter Eliot) wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:46:49 GMT, hellpope_huey@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > I'd like to add this: our educational system is destructively neurotic
> > about making everyone "well-rounded." There's little accomodation for
> > those who excel in THIS area but not in THAT one. All are shoved down
> > the same pipe by force. Many talents and potentially productive
> > proclevities are wasted in the process. Pisses ya off, too. Hard to
> > build any legitimate self-esteem when your being pulled away from that
> > which first latches on to your real self, such as, in my case, music.
>
> Or in mine, computers, math, and science. Though to be honest, I
> liked almost any subject as long as I was learning something, which is
> why I hated school up until high school junior year, when math started
> getting tough and english classes started separating into the "care"
> and "don't care" classes.
>
> But your point is dead on. Schools love to crow about "reaching your
> potential", but as soon as they get a kid with any, their reaction is
> to sand him down so he'll fit in the pegs like all the others.
>
> > In short, Mom & Dad often DO suck and authority figures SHOULDN'T be
> > trusted beyond a minimal point because they prove time and again that
> > they don't know which hole to shit out of, so they emit from ALL of 'em.
>
> You're now officially worth reading. You have the three things so
> lacking in most posters: a verifiable life outside of USENET, the
> ability to listen to good advice, and, most importantly, a POINT.
> Tarla, P-Lil, and kevbob still have you beat, though, so don't go
> getting too cocky.
>
> Nathaniel Eliot THE Reverend Imposter Eliot
> temujin9@io.com (AUTOEXCOMMUNICATED)

WEIRD! I don't worry about being "beat," actually. Its the DobbsWay to
spew despite all comers, especially the ones who get their gleet on the
furniture. "Success" is relative.

Besides, a lot of posters are worth reading to varying degrees; some
just hit the mark more often than not. And yeah, them 3 dangerous
varmints keep MY interest, too! Those sick fuckers...they're my clan,
alright!

I see "good advice" and a "point" as being pretty close cousins. I mean,
watching "Homicide" ain't exactly the highest order of human endeavor,
but it sure makes ya THINK at times, so I appreciate brain lube.
Likewise even some of the more whacked-out stuff herein.

Looks like ANGER is a big seller around here and I have a collapsed
star's worth of THAT on tap, "Bob"-damnit!; I'll try to be more bilious,
but less pissy. Thanks for the props!

HellPope Huey, Radio Doktor, SynthMeister,
'Righter, Frop-Tester, Blushing With Misplaced Sexual Desires
& Dobbster since 1981
"aS CrAzY aS yOu & tWiCe aS dAnGeRoUS wItHouT MeDiCaTioN"

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