Some jerk calling themselves "Rev Legume (revlegume@aol.com)" spewed:
: The parable of the old woman and the snake:
This bullshit is in very poor taste, and is not funny.
Now in addition to the pathetic troll about "Oh Legume is really
alive", we have some puke of a forger trying to claim to BE the
late Legume.
Hey, you pathetic "aol" forger: Drop Dead!!
-- Frater Frogalogus
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Date: 29 Oct 1995 19:58:07 -0500
From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)
( Rev. Nickie) wrote:
> Who was supposedly hurt by this? Kid Ginsu? Notice that he hasn't said
> anything about this. Maybe y'all should ask HIM what HE thinks.
I did, the day after the memorial I think. He felt pretty rotten about
not being in on the "joke", and THAT is what got me mad about all this.
Consult his post with the subject, "Don't even ask": this prompted me to
ask him whether he had known Legume was alive and he told me he hadn't,
and it sure seemed like he felt pretty fucked over about it. But praise
Ginsu, he's managed to get some Slack out of it in the end. I don't know
how the lad does it -- it's like squeezing water out of rocks in the
desert -- but he seems to be more or less jake with matters now. I
suspect he has a stronger connection to "Bob" than any of us had guessed.
Before I found out that Ginsu had been left in the dark, I thought it
was simply a more-or-less tasteless joke that had hurt some feelings on
alt.slack. After finding out about Ginsu, I could only wonder at the
depths of malice at work.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When in doubt, throw a chair."
-- Zoogz Rift
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:34:26 GMT
From: Dode <dode@dolmen.demon.co.uk>
Some Dead Guy Wrote:
> When you see us hanging from the gallows you'll know it's time to burn
> your membership card.
Don't you mean dance about in your shadows laughing?
BTW - You have had this -problem- diagnosed haven't you. I know that
CON medicine is all bollocks but at least they would give it a nice
impressive name, they may even give you a nice badge. (I wear it with
pride)
Dode.
--
'Madam you have a very penetrating whisper'
Mr Ivor Cutler.
__ __
|| dode@dolmen.demon.co.uk ||
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Date: 30 Oct 1995 06:18:48 GMT
From: Bob (Not Rob) (Rob (Not Bob))
nickie@mars.superlink.net says...
>It's a bit like cutting off the gangrenous leg of a
>soldier in the field, even though no anaesthetic is available, with
^^^^^^^^^^^
>perhaps only some rotgut whiskey as an antiseptic to sterilize the saw.
Goddamn, don't even *talk* like this to me unless you mean it!
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From: pkitty@netcom.com (Pee Kitty)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:31:42 GMT
John Blackmer (blackmer@course1.harvard.edu) wrote:
: I suppose you think he's "sick" or that "that's going too far". Isn't
: that what the Normals think about you? You sound like my grandmother, and
: she's DEAD. When are you going to realize that NO ONE IS SAFE ever ever
: ever ever?
No, I don't see ANYONE saying he's "sick" and few saying he's "going too
far". What I've seen a lot of is people simply saying, "That wasn't
funny, or helpful, so what the fuck was the point?" What happened was
Legume faked his death for no real reason, and now is yelling at us
because we're not laughing at it. Why would we laugh? There's no
punchline. Nickie is ranting against all the anti-Legumers right now, but
she's not LAUGHING, she's just high and mighty because she says she "got
it". That's what this has turned into...those who fell for it vs. those
who didn't. (The ones who never gave a damn, still don't.) It was a good
troll--there's no shame in falling for it. But neither side is laughing.
The most you can say is, "Well, Legume sure pulled one over one us." But
you can't get away from the one big question..."What was the POINT?"
AFAICT, there is none. It was just a very realistic troll, which caused a
lot of upset to those who fell for it. I've never been a big fan of those
kinds of pranks, even since someone did it to me and my friends back on a
Prodigy underground. Brian came on and told us that our friend Bobby, who
we'd known for years and talked to both online and phone all the time,
was killed in a car accident. Of course we "bought it"...why the hell
wouldn't we? And we grieved...we all loved Bobby. Losing him was a big
deal. What do you say when someone tells you a close friend just died?
Less than a day later, I got a call. From Brian, and Bobby, both upset at
what they'd done. Apparently, they thought it would be funny somehow.
Half of me wanted to kill them, while the other half was just glad Bobby
was still alive. I never understood why they thought it would be funny;
no one thought it was, not even them (after they'd done it).
Deja view...I get to see K'taden Legume pull the same stunt on his
friends. Funny? No, not at all. Not even to me, who never knew the guy,
and never even heard his rants. "Too far"? Maybe...you'd have to ask his
friends. I know the only thing that prevented me from hating Brian and
Bobby was the fact that they admitted that they'd fucked up royally and
apologized.
K'taden says, "You knew I was a snake." I have to wonder if his friends
really DID know that he didn't mind causing them that much pain and loss,
that he would lie about his death, watch them suffer, and laugh about it.
If they knew that, and still were his friends, then they deserved what
they got. Personally, if I knew a snake like that, I'd make boots out of
it.
"If you don't have a sense of humor, don't try to be funny."
- 8th rule of the Church of the SubGenius
--
Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian
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Subject: Re: ***Legume says "Bite me."***
From: petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Peter Hipwell)
Munch. Munch. Munch.
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Date: 3 Nov 1995 05:42:51 GMT
From: chope@escape.com (Charles Hope)
Pee Kitty (pkitty@netcom.com) wrote:
: No, I don't see ANYONE saying he's "sick" and few saying he's "going too
: far". What I've seen a lot of is people simply saying, "That wasn't
: funny, or helpful, so what the fuck was the point?" What happened was
: Legume faked his death for no real reason, and now is yelling at us
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That this point concerns you is the whole issue.
It's time to give evil Mr. Reality-Constructer the heave-ho, dude!
Some of you should ignore me when I advise you to put down the Revelation
X for a week, realize how hoary and gory the Quest for Slack is, realize
that a lot of old geezers in distant places trod it before you did, and
read their shit. Those that take this advice didn't need it anyway.
I was taking my evening constitutional today when something moving caught
my eye in the gutter. I looked down and saw a cat on its back. Inspecting
further I realized that it was bloody, heaving, and that its head was
somewhat squooshed, with one amber eye somewhat protruding. True story.
Those that get the joke didn't need the lesson. Keep seeking.
"Bob" is not slack.
_____________________________________
Time for Chinese food and Dr. Pepper.
Charles
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From: ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez)
Subject: Re: NEW HOUR OF SLACK STATION!!!
Date: 26 Oct 1995 08:07:20 -0400
In article <46mrb1$rfj@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
dv363@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Will O. Dobbs) wrote:
> ps. To those still upset (and there seem to be more than a few)
> about the Legume thing... Well, did you forget what organization
> you were dealing with here?
Not at all! Which is why, the more I think about it, the more it
pisses me off. Legume is a Slack Vampire, pure and simple: apparently,
he needs to deprive others of their Slack to get some for himself. You're
right, it's perfectly possible that everything said on alt.slack is
a lie. But that doesn't mean that everything said on alt.slack SHOULD
be taken as such, especially when it's something important.
Proof positive: you and Stang tell "Bob"'s honest truth every time
when you say that you want people to send money in. This is a point
you don't want dismissed as a "joke", do you? So don't tell me not
to take any of it seriously.
It would be one thing if the only people deceived were the teeming
masses on alt.slack, who might mourn for a day or two and then go
on with their lives. That would be bad enough ... but actual *friends*
of Legume were left deceived on the whole matter. How do you defend
that aspect of it, Will? Yes, we're all SubGenii and a bunch of wacky
guys, but our own faith condemns senseless cruelty to our own kind. To
put it in religious terms: it takes away Slack and reduces our ability to
stand up to the Con. To put it in secular humanist terms: there is no
moral justification for it and it wasn't funny enough to stand on its
own merits. (Was it funny at all? For the life of me, I can't see how
there was any humor in it for anyone. Except maybe Legume and his
co-conspirators, but even then it's a type of humor I can't understand.)
To put it in terms of creativity: faked deaths are nothing new and as
such are unworthy of our efforts. "Well, did you forget what organization
you were dealing with here?" That's no excuse.
For what it's worth, I believe Stang when he says that he didn't know
it was a hoax at first, and I bet we can identify the day he found out
by finding the first post where he slammed Legume. So I see Stang's
point: by that point, most of us finished mourning and there's nothing
left to do but make Legume's "resurrection" an affair to remember.
But to keep Legume's friends in the dark? That's dead wrong, baby.
Ginsu should have been told (and I bet he's not the only one). That's
the bottom line.
As I said, I'm glad Legume is alive. He does rant like a mutant born,
and I'm glad his talents are still with us. But I can't believe he's
the juggernaut of Slack we're told he is: I've seen him get his crude
yuks at his friends' expense, like a lowly Hyoo-Mon. He jabs at good
mutants with a pointed stick and I'm supposed to respect him for it?
Slack, Will. If it doesn't bring Slack it cannot be a Slackful thing,
and thus of no use to "Bob". How did this affair introduce any Slack
into the system?
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