Not In the News News

From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Sun, Oct 7, 2001 7:16 PM

China Moves Forces into Afghanistan

6 October: Before even the launching of the major US
military offensive in Afghanistan, long Chinese convoys
were carrying armed Chinese Muslim servicemen through
northwest China into Afghanistan, according to
intelligence experts.

They were sent in to fight alongside the ruling Taliban
and Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda. Their number is estimated
roughly between 5000 and 15,000. Sources report another
three convoys are behind the first 3000, who crossed the
frontier Friday, October 5.

They are entering Afghanistan along the ancient Krakoram
Road to the Afghan-Pakistani border, through the Kulik
Pass of Little Pamir, which is situated in one of the
highest and most remote regions of the world.

Beijing is deploying this force in two places:

A. Whakyir, the Kirgyz tribal encampment near the
Little Pamir-Tadjik frontier, opposite the swelling
concentration of US and Russian Special Forces and air
strength. The Chinese have brought with them Kirgyz
fundamentalist militants from the Ferghana Valley of
Central Asia, as interpreters.
From Whakyir, the Chinese generals believe, with Bin
Laden's and the Taliban's tacticians, they will be
able to block off the movement of the US-led force
from its rallying point in Dzhartygumbez, Tadjikistan,
no more than 35 miles from Little Pamir, into the
mountains of Hindu Kush.

B. Jalalabad in north Afghanistan, at the foot of the
Hindu Kush range. Chinese sources reveal that,
immediately after the terrorist strikes in the United
States on September 11, the Chinese intelligence
service, MSS, handed in to the defense ministry in
Beijing their estimation that the United States would
go to war to overthrow the Taliban regime, for the sake
of which it would sign a pact with Russia. The Chinese
leadership viewed this eventuality as the most significant
shift in the global balance since the 1962 Chinese-Russian
feud, with dangerous implications for China's world
standing and its interests in Central and Southwest Asia.
They decided it must be counteracted.

The only satisfactory outcome of the Bin Laden crisis in
Chinese eyes is the redeployment of Japanese-based US
troops to the Persian Gulf, when the Kitty Hawk carrier
moved the 3rd Marines Division out of Okinawa last week.

Chinese intelligence did not miss the absence of fighters
and reconnaissance craft on her decks. The planes stayed
behind, but the very fact that the Kitty Hawk is no longer
within operational range of the Straits of Taiwan leaves
the disputed island with diminished protection.

Beijing also took note of additional US military movements,
including the Army's 10th Mountain Division based at Fort
Drum, New York and that of another formerly Pacific-based
unit, the 25th Infantry Division, out of Hawaii to the
Persian Gulf.

According to Far East experts, the removal of substantial
US military strength from the Pacific Rim opened the way
for Chinese intervention in Afghanistan and its effort
to slow down the US-Russian advance.
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Subject: Not In the News News
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Sun, Oct 7, 2001 7:16 PM
Message-ID: <3BC0E269.7E30@succeeds.com>

China Moves Forces into Afghanistan

Beijing is deploying this force in two places:

Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Sun, Oct 7, 2001 11:18 PM
Message-ID: <3BC11B22.5C0C@succeeds.com>

Kevan Smith wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:16:57 -0700, nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
> wrote:
>
> >China Moves Forces into Afghanistan
>
> <snip>
>
> Cite the source, please.
>

http://www.debka.com/

I have been tracking them for a while, and for those stories
that are confirmed through other sources, Debka has about a
three day lead time.

Personally, I suspect they are a mouthpiece for MOSSAD (Israeli
Intelligence); but at the same time, I'm not sure that calls
into question their veracity.

For instance, in the aforementioned story, I can see why the
US would not want to mention a Chinese involvement--it would
complicate things horribly, from our point of view--and yet,
why the Israelis would want the story to get out anyway (it
would either drive a wedge between the Chinese and the Moslems,
by forcing the Chinese to disavow the whole thing; or, if the
Chinese went with the Moslems, to muss up relations between
the Chinese and the US.)

Plus, the motive for the Chinese poking their nose in might be
far more complex then what was mentioned. One must keep a
Byzantine attitude in these affairs. From their point of view,
Taiwan becomes very vulnerable the more US resources are sent
elsewhere.

Oh, and when you visit the Debka page, check out the "Caucasus"
section. Some interesting tidbits there.

--
"A woman's shrill, piercing scream. Her hair in
absolute disarray. She growls and bares her teeth
animal-like. Tensing her fingers so her hands look
more like claws, she pounces forward with an
earsplitting war cry as she grabs at her opponent's
nipples and gives them a mighty twist."
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Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Sun, Oct 7, 2001 11:34 PM
Message-ID: <3BC11D08.753A@succeeds.com>

Rev. Enki wrote:
>
> Ditto.
>
> It was my understanding that the Chinese were
> themselves having troubles on their border with
> Islamic extremists, who have been inflaming things
> within the western provinces of China a la Kashmir
> in India. I'd not be surprised if they "encouraged"
> some of the troublemakers to go fight the Americans,
> et al, in order to be rid of them, but I'd be very
> surprised if it was they themselves getting in on
> the fun.
>

They are having problems--just recently I posted here
about how they executed a bunch of Islamic troublemakers
in their heavily Moslem province. And your point is
also good about them sending away their problems. But
I would also suspect several other schemes on their part,
including a possible play for Taiwan, some dirty tricks
to play in the India/Pakistan/ (and within the last day)
Bangladesh vicintity, and maybe even trying to mess up
friendly relations between the US and Russia. Also in
Malaysia, Indonesia, the South China Sea Islands, Japan
and maybe the Koreas.

Whatever it is that they are about, rest assured that
it will involve great loss of life, for which they are
indifferent; and win, lose or draw they will still be
smug bastards, thinking that they will win in the long
run, even if it takes 200 years.

Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Sun, Oct 7, 2001 11:46 PM
Message-ID: <3BC1218E.7599@succeeds.com>

HellPope Huey wrote:
>
> Certainly causes one to wax nostalgic over the
> days when 1/4 of our posts concerned where someone
> thought they last saw "Bob," doesn't it?

Just goes to show what happens to those Bobbies who
think that this religion IS JUST SOME KIND OF A JOKE,
when the bullet hits the boner, the Xist ships start
a-hoverin', and the Bush babies turn into that licorice
flavored play-doh as seen in the "Black Hole Sun" video.

How many, I ask you, HOW MANY, are willing to hunker
down in the bunker with "Bob" as their co-pilot, and
smoke Lucky Strikes like crazy waiting for the Nazi
Gorillas from Inner Earth to make their last final,
desperate push to butt-suck the Slack right out of
'em? HUH? Something or other.

Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: thereheis99@hotmail.com (Rev. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Oct 8, 2001 1:44 PM
Message-ID: <129b702.0110080944.18db2248@posting.google.com>

nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote in message news:<3BC11B22.5C0C@succeeds.com>...
> http://www.debka.com/
>
> I have been tracking them for a while, and for those stories
> that are confirmed through other sources, Debka has about a
> three day lead time.
>
> Personally, I suspect they are a mouthpiece for MOSSAD (Israeli
> Intelligence); but at the same time, I'm not sure that calls
> into question their veracity.
>
> For instance, in the aforementioned story, I can see why the
> US would not want to mention a Chinese involvement--it would
> complicate things horribly, from our point of view--and yet,
> why the Israelis would want the story to get out anyway (it
> would either drive a wedge between the Chinese and the Moslems,
> by forcing the Chinese to disavow the whole thing; or, if the
> Chinese went with the Moslems, to muss up relations between
> the Chinese and the US.)
>
> Plus, the motive for the Chinese poking their nose in might be
> far more complex then what was mentioned. One must keep a
> Byzantine attitude in these affairs. From their point of view,
> Taiwan becomes very vulnerable the more US resources are sent
> elsewhere.

In a recent column, George Will (whose political views I detest, yet
who has the irritating tendency to correctly predict political
shizzit) warned that the Chinese would take advantage of the attention
on Afghanistan to invade Taiwan. The use of tactical nuclear weapons
was mentioned, as well. This story would seem to bolster that
argument, as well. Another proxy war with the Yellow Peril, a la
Korea? Could be, gang. It's not as if the Conspiracy is all that
coheseive; most of the major armed conflicts have largely been the
result of Conspiracy infighting over who gets the neatest Toys. Loads
o' fun for the entire family.

YFNR

Rev. Crawford
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Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: Reverend DJ Epoch <nunyabiz@noway.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Oct 8, 2001 2:11 PM
Message-ID: <Xns913490345A402nunyabiznowaycom@198.99.146.10>

rlan538885@aol.comnobozos (RLan538885) lost his train of thought and
instead came up with this ....

> Not to answer for the original author, but an Israeli source is indeed
> reporting that China has moved Muslim troops into Afghanistan.
>
> It makes a degree of sense. The U.S. and Russia have troops deployed in
> the region and it is only logical that China would see it as the biggest
> threat to their security since the early 60's.
>
>
>
> "100,000 lemmings can't be wrong"

It does? I see a few things wrong with this:

1. China has been attempting to 'normalize' relations with the US to increase
import and export trade. They have no real love for us but want to increase
cashflow to their economy. They have even less love for Islamic extremists due
to the Kashmir conflicts. As Afghanistan isn't even a communist state they
have no common ground with them and would be just as happy to see them go
away.

2. China and Russia have been improving their ties with each other...also in
hopes of maximising trade and cashflow into their countries. They've finally
made the mental connection that money=power and if they can improve trade
relations they can build wealth. Russia maintains contact with China and I'm
sure have kept them up-to-date on their activities via-a-vis co-operation
with the US. As Russia has direct borders with China they have more of a
vested interest in keeping good relations with them.

3.(And what I believe might be the best argument) As previously mentioned,
China has been having problems of it's own with Islamic fundies. The movement
of troops may be actually more of a "containment" action along it's borders to
prevent Afghanies encroaching into their territory. This way they can
"assist" in the operations without actually taking an active part in those
operations under the guise of "We're insuring unsavory elements of this
conflict do not cross into our country". It helps the US and Russia by
removing one escape route, and keeps them in good favor with the UN, which
they have played like a harp from hell on numerous occasions.

But if I see this confirmed by BBC News then all bets are off and I'm grabbing
my radiation encounter suit. (I heard that Russia and the US have agreed to
the use of tactical neutron weapons should the terrorists use biological
warefare agents.)

BTW....the second strike wave has begun..
--
Rev. DJ Epoch

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Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: speaker616@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Oct 8, 2001 3:41 PM
Message-ID: <b3372e53.0110081141.4a7a2909@posting.google.com>

nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote in message news:<3BC0E269.7E30@succeeds.com>...
> China Moves Forces into Afghanistan
>
> 6 October: Before even the launching of the major US
> military offensive in Afghanistan, long Chinese convoys
> were carrying armed Chinese Muslim servicemen through
> northwest China into Afghanistan, according to
> intelligence experts.
>
> They were sent in to fight alongside the ruling Taliban
> and Osama Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda. Their number is estimated
> roughly between 5000 and 15,000. Sources report another
> three convoys are behind the first 3000, who crossed the
> frontier Friday, October 5.
>
> They are entering Afghanistan along the ancient Krakoram
> Road to the Afghan-Pakistani border, through the Kulik
> Pass of Little Pamir, which is situated in one of the
> highest and most remote regions of the world.
>

OK, chief, that's Northern Alliance counrty they're moving troops
into. Our ally this week.

Either that, or I'm reading it wrong and they're moving troops *thru*
Pakistan, also our ally this week.

A) Shooting war with Pakistan and N. Afghanistan, and therefore us.
China not that stupid.

B) Assiting the U.S. coalition.
Not very fucking likely.

C) Sneaking troops into Talibanistan under the noses of distracted or
suitably paid off Paki officials.
Maybe.

> Chinese sources reveal that,
> immediately after the terrorist strikes in the United
> States on September 11, the Chinese intelligence
> service, MSS, handed in to the defense ministry in
> Beijing their estimation that the United States would
> go to war to overthrow the Taliban regime, for the sake
> of which it would sign a pact with Russia. The Chinese
> leadership viewed this eventuality as the most significant
> shift in the global balance since the 1962 Chinese-Russian
> feud, with dangerous implications for China’s world
> standing and its interests in Central and Southwest Asia.
> They decided it must be counteracted.

Ivan's been more or less in our camp since Yeltsin.

>
> The only satisfactory outcome of the Bin Laden crisis in
> Chinese eyes is the redeployment of Japanese-based US
> troops to the Persian Gulf, when the Kitty Hawk carrier
> moved the 3rd Marines Division out of Okinawa last week.

No wonder Ft. Lewis is in grand mal seizure right now.
>
> Chinese intelligence did not miss the absence of fighters
> and reconnaissance craft on her decks. The planes stayed
> behind, but the very fact that the Kitty Hawk is no longer
> within operational range of the Straits of Taiwan leaves
> the disputed island with diminished protection.

Until the next carrier makes it in from Pearl Harbor or Bremerton.

>
> Beijing also took note of additional US military movements,
> including the Army’s 10th Mountain Division based at Fort
> Drum, New York and that of another formerly Pacific-based
> unit, the 25th Infantry Division, out of Hawaii to the
> Persian Gulf.

Doutbless the 2nd. Marines at Camp Pendelton will pick up the slack.

>
> According to Far East experts, the removal of substantial
> US military strength from the Pacific Rim opened the way
> for Chinese intervention in Afghanistan and its effort
> to slow down the US-Russian advance.

Advance?
So far all I se is pyrotechnics. Anyone know when the ground war
starts?
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Subject: Re: Not In the News News
From: arbane@home.com (Arbane the Terrible)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Oct 9, 2001 3:10 AM
Message-ID: <3bc2a118.6001804@news>

On 08 Oct 2001 03:22:33 GMT, rlan538885@aol.comnobozos (RLan538885)
wrote:

>Here, pasted in, is the story I saw.
>
>CHINA MOVES FORCES INTO AFGHANISTAN
>6 October: Before even the launching of the major US military offensive in
>Afghanistan, long Chinese convoys were carrying armed Chinese Muslim servicemen
>through northwest China into Afghanistan, according to DEBKAfileâ*.s
>intelligence experts.
>
> They were sent in to fight alongside the ruling Taliban and Osama Bin
>Ladenâ*.s Al Qaeda. Their number is estimated roughly between 5000 and 15,000.
>Our sources report another three convoys are behind the first 3000, who crossed
>the frontier Friday, October 5.

Great. Now I'm getting Vietnam flashbacks, and I was about five years
old then...

Remember, the plural of 'moron' is 'focus group'.
-- James A. Wolf

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