Subject: Islam

From: "IMBJR" <you@know.where>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 5:10 PM
Message-ID: <oYNq7.22304$uM2.2546931@monolith.news.easynet.net>

Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?

Xiatians I know, Judaism ... mmm, come to think of it - where did they
spring from too?

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Subject: Re: Islam
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 5:40 PM
Message-ID: <3babb2b8.32775765@News.CIS.DFN.DE>

"IMBJR" <you@know.where> hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "IMBJR" <you@know.where> laughed madly, then wrote:

>Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?
>
>Xiatians I know, Judaism ... mmm, come to think of it - where did they
>spring from too?

Judaism just goes way way back into history and myth. Probably at an
earlier point in their history they practiced typical polytheistic
pagan religions and those were slowly superceded by the monotheistic
Yahweh religion. There are still traces of the mixture in the bible.

Islam evolved largely out of Judaic and Christian influences. They
are inbred cousins sort of. Islam became a separate religion of the
Arab world with the coming of Muhammed the prophet, I think in the 6th
century (AD) I might be remembering wrong though.

Muhammed was an epileptic camel driver who had visions that the
Archangel Raphael visited him and stuff, so the Koran is basically a
channeled work. The Koran essentially defines Islam as the Christian
bible essentially defines Christianity.

I still want to see something with the dome of the rock though. Best
place to start if you want some serious islamic blasphemy.

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Subject: Re: Islam
From: "IMBJR" <you@know.where>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 5:38 PM
Message-ID: <omOq7.22306$uM2.2550952@monolith.news.easynet.net>

Cheers. I shoulda stopped drinking for a mo to realise that Muhammed was
gonna be the answer.

However, I did find this rather rosy-tinted view of Islam:

http://www.discoverislam.com

Seems that like many other beliefs, the corruptors always win. I wonder when
our faith in "Bob" will lead us this way?

Joe Cosby wrote in message <3babb2b8.32775765@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
>"IMBJR" <you@know.where> hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>thunder crashed, "IMBJR" <you@know.where> laughed madly, then wrote:
>
>>Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?
>>
>>Xiatians I know, Judaism ... mmm, come to think of it - where did they
>>spring from too?
>
>Judaism just goes way way back into history and myth. Probably at an
>earlier point in their history they practiced typical polytheistic
>pagan religions and those were slowly superceded by the monotheistic
>Yahweh religion. There are still traces of the mixture in the bible.
>
>Islam evolved largely out of Judaic and Christian influences. They
>are inbred cousins sort of. Islam became a separate religion of the
>Arab world with the coming of Muhammed the prophet, I think in the 6th
>century (AD) I might be remembering wrong though.
>
>Muhammed was an epileptic camel driver who had visions that the
>Archangel Raphael visited him and stuff, so the Koran is basically a
>channeled work. The Koran essentially defines Islam as the Christian
>bible essentially defines Christianity.
>
>I still want to see something with the dome of the rock though. Best
>place to start if you want some serious islamic blasphemy.
>
>--
>Joe Cosby
>http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
>
>Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.
>- Nietzsche
>
>
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 6:01 PM
Message-ID: <3babb8bc.34315495@News.CIS.DFN.DE>

"IMBJR" <you@know.where> hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "IMBJR" <you@know.where> laughed madly, then wrote:

>Cheers. I shoulda stopped drinking for a mo to realise that Muhammed was
>gonna be the answer.
>
>However, I did find this rather rosy-tinted view of Islam:
>
>http://www.discoverislam.com
>
>Seems that like many other beliefs, the corruptors always win. I wonder when
>our faith in "Bob" will lead us this way?

I'm just waiting for Stang to let his gaurd down.

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no oral sex."
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: "Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 6:37 PM
Message-ID: <llPq7.583$N67.528834@news.uswest.net>

"IMBJR" wrote
> Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang
from?

"when a mama islam and a daddy islam love each other very much they want
to show it in a very special way,,,,,,,,"
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: friday@fridayjones.com (Friday Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.friday
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 7:21 PM
Message-ID: <friday-ya02408000R2109011921240001@news.us.inter.net>

An article that sheds some interesting light on the particularly rabid
fundamentalist brand of Islam that has just come exploding into the public
view:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old&section=current&issue=2001-
09-22&id=1104

I also like the analogy that, even though the kamikaze fighters of WWII
were from a Buddhist nation, they were not exactly the best image of a
Buddhist the judge the rest by.

--
"Bunch together a group of people deliberately chosen for strong
religious feelings, and you have a practical guarantee of dark
morbidities expressed in crime, perversion, and insanity."

--HP Lovecraft, letter to Robert E. Howard 10/4/30
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: "IMBJR" <you@know.where>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 6:58 PM
Message-ID: <7CPq7.22318$uM2.2564859@monolith.news.easynet.net>

Blackout wrote in message ...
>
>"IMBJR" wrote
>> Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang
>from?
>
>"when a mama islam and a daddy islam love each other very much they want
>to show it in a very special way,,,,,,,,"

Can I have this in pictures?

>
>
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 6:57 PM
Message-ID: <u8hnqtoueqp3psk8sa43sc6p6jh9beo1d5@4ax.com>

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:10:01 +0100, "IMBJR" <you@know.where> wrote:
>Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?

A really charismatic guy named Mohammed, who went around spouting,
"There is no God but God, and I'm his prophet!" After being kicked
out of Mecca, he eventually got enough believers to come back and take
over the city. They've kept it ever since, and it kept on spreading.

Oh, and there's a bunch of stuff about Mohammed dictating the words of
the Koran to his followers as he was being stricken with seizures, or
rather the word of God. He was illiterate, so he never wrote them
down himself. His followers wrote it, and passed it on. Unless the
Koran has been edited over time like the Bible has (which is
possible), it does have one advantage over the Bible in that it was
apparently written down very soon after it spouted from Mohammed's
lips. The Bible was a bunch of folks tales passed from one
storyteller to another over the course of several decades (or
centuries, as some historians argue) before being gathered into the
Big Book.

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Subject: Re: Islam
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.friday
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 8:19 PM
Message-ID: <3babd804.42324679@News.CIS.DFN.DE>

friday@fridayjones.com (Friday Jones) hunched over a computer, typing
feverishly;
thunder crashed, friday@fridayjones.com (Friday Jones) laughed madly,
then wrote:

>An article that sheds some interesting light on the particularly rabid
>fundamentalist brand of Islam that has just come exploding into the public
>view:
>
>http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old&section=current&issue=2001-
>09-22&id=1104
>
>I also like the analogy that, even though the kamikaze fighters of WWII
>were from a Buddhist nation, they were not exactly the best image of a
>Buddhist the judge the rest by.
>

<<But the Wahhabis have two weaknesses of which the West is largely
unaware; an Achilles' heel on each foot, so to speak. The first is
that the vast majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful people who
would prefer the installation of Western democracy in their own
countries. They loathe Wahhabism for the same reason any patriarchal
culture rejects a violent break with tradition. >>

This is an overall impression I've been getting.

One of the film crews in Afghanistan was showing a barber in the act
of giving a customer a 'western-style' haircut; which is explicitly
prohibited by the Taliban. The barber laughed about it and claimed
he'd been jailed twice for this, but kept doing it anyway.

Later when the news guy was talking to a Taliban representative, he
asked him about minor infractions like this barber (and specifically
mentioned that they had actually seen this happening). The Taliban
dude just looked at him straight faced and level and said "No, nothing
like that happens in Afghanistan".

The news guy didn't pursue it beyond that.

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Subject: Re: Islam
From: "Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 8:34 PM
Message-ID: <n3Rq7.1130$N67.610628@news.uswest.net>

"IMBJR" wrote

> >> Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang
> >from?
> >
> >"when a mama islam and a daddy islam love each other very much they
want
> >to show it in a very special way,,,,,,,,"
>
> Can I have this in pictures?

yes. please post them to ABS when you are done making them. thank you.
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001 12:06 AM
Message-ID: <F4B4E2512228F01B.2C6CEFCCA3C8F763.4E682A86D40EEB09@lp.airnews.net>

In article <oYNq7.22304$uM2.2546931@monolith.news.easynet.net>,
IMBJR <you@know.where> wrote:
>Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?

It was the brain fart of a false prophet named Mohammed.

I'd suggest a standard text on the history of Islam,
such as the Oxford Press "History of Islam".

Look around on the net for the biography of Mohammed
by Ibn Ishaq, an Arab writer writing some 100 years
after Mohammed. Its the standard primary source
for Mohammed, his life, the founding of his religion.
It incorporates some writings of earlier writers, many
lost except for extracts from Ishaq and others.

You'd have to understand the Arabia of Mohammed's time
to understand the roots of Islam. For example, Mecca
was already a religous center and Allah was just one god
worshipped there, one of 300 or so idols to be found there.
Already the major god, Mohammed elevated him to supreme
godhead, synchrestically emulating the monotheistic Jews, abandoned
the other gods (excpet briefly Allah's three daughters)
and later had all idols at Mecca burnt or destroyed.

Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001 12:17 AM
Message-ID: <763BC6628FCC8700.49EF1B717541A571.5B222EBEE8DF4C60@lp.airnews.net>

In article <u8hnqtoueqp3psk8sa43sc6p6jh9beo1d5@4ax.com>,
Modemac <modemac@modemac.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:10:01 +0100, "IMBJR" <you@know.where> wrote:
>>Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?
>
>A really charismatic guy named Mohammed, who went around spouting,
>"There is no God but God, and I'm his prophet!" After being kicked
>out of Mecca, he eventually got enough believers to come back and take
>over the city. They've kept it ever since, and it kept on spreading.
>
>Oh, and there's a bunch of stuff about Mohammed dictating the words of
>the Koran to his followers as he was being stricken with seizures, or
>rather the word of God. He was illiterate, so he never wrote them
>down himself. His followers wrote it, and passed it on. Unless the
>Koran has been edited over time like the Bible has (which is
>possible), it does have one advantage over the Bible in that it was
>apparently written down very soon after it spouted from Mohammed's
>lips. The Bible was a bunch of folks tales passed from one
>storyteller to another over the course of several decades (or
>centuries, as some historians argue) before being gathered into the
>Big Book.

In the later days of his career, he had a secretary who wrote
down most of his discourses. Earlier speeches were sometimes written
down on camel shoulder blades and palm fronds by others.
After his death, several varying versions were in circulation.
The secretary who had taken down his later pronouncments
was appointed by Uthman, an early caliph who succeeded
Mohammed, to gather all known materials, including the
memorized versions of suras by Mohammed's closest followers,
create a standard version of the Quran, and once this was done,
this version was pronounced the true version and all other
variant manuscripts were ordered gathered and destroyed.

A few very early variant manuscripts are known from Yemen.

Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: Hulkturds@crappagammabrick.ouch (HellPope Huey)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001 1:16 AM
Message-ID: <Hulkturds-2109012316350001@208-135-242-133.dial-up.ipa.net>

In article <omOq7.22306$uM2.2550952@monolith.news.easynet.net>, "IMBJR"
<you@know.where> wrote:

> Cheers. I shoulda stopped drinking for a mo to realise that Muhammed was
> gonna be the answer.
> > However, I did find this rather rosy-tinted view of Islam:
> > http://www.discoverislam.com
> > Seems that like many other beliefs, the corruptors always win. I wonder when
> our faith in "Bob" will lead us this way?

Whaddaya mean WHEN? Our glory is our basic HONESTY: we cut out the
gizzard of the Pink middleman and based our doctrine on the CORRUPTION
from the OUTSET. Chevalier, ehhh?

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
Actual Excerpts From Student Science Exam Papers:
"The moon is a planet just like the Earth,
only it is even deader."
Especially on Saturday night in Arkansas.

"Place the mask over your face and breathe normally."
Well, no problem there. I always breathe normally
when I'm in an uncontrolled,
600-mile-an-hour vertical dive.
I also s**t normally. Directly into my pants.
- George Carlin

"Art is dangerous. It is one of the attractions:
when it ceases to be dangerous you don't want it."
- Anthony Burgess

"Its not that I don't know how to use it;
I just haven't learned yet."
- "The West Wing"
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Subject: Re: Islam
From: Artemia Salina <y2k@sheayright.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001 1:51 AM
Message-ID: <3BAC26DD.2B2DF483@sheayright.com>

Joe Cosby wrote:
>
> "IMBJR" <you@know.where> hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> thunder crashed, "IMBJR" <you@know.where> laughed madly, then wrote:
>
> >Before I go to Google, can someone explain from where Islam sprang from?
> >
> >Xiatians I know, Judaism ... mmm, come to think of it - where did they
> >spring from too?
>
> Judaism just goes way way back into history and myth. Probably at an
> earlier point in their history they practiced typical polytheistic
> pagan religions and those were slowly superceded by the monotheistic
> Yahweh religion. There are still traces of the mixture in the bible.
>
> Islam evolved largely out of Judaic and Christian influences. They
> are inbred cousins sort of. Islam became a separate religion of the
> Arab world with the coming of Muhammed the prophet, I think in the 6th
> century (AD) I might be remembering wrong though.
>
> Muhammed was an epileptic camel driver who had visions that the
> Archangel Raphael visited him and stuff, so the Koran is basically a
> channeled work. The Koran essentially defines Islam as the Christian
> bible essentially defines Christianity.

It was Gabriel, not Raphael.

Muhammad did indeed believe in Jesus as Messiah. Islam is very much
into forgiveness, charity, and tolerance of other religions. Another
plus is that there is no equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses in the muslim
world; they don't feel compelled to proselytize.

In theory these should be extremely cool people. But as it is with Christians,
there are many who pervert and twist a peaceful, civilizing set of ideas
into something grotesquely cruel and judgmental. Not to mention suicidal.

> I still want to see something with the dome of the rock though. Best
> place to start if you want some serious islamic blasphemy.

The best place to start with Islamic blasphemy is with bin Laden and his
merry band of suicide bombers and the Taliban. It amazes me that so many
muslims think these guys are the good guys.

Try here for more on Islam:

http://www.ummah.org.uk/learning/islam&muslims/page1.html

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Subject: Re: Islam
From: Artemia Salina <y2k@sheayright.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001 1:59 AM
Message-ID: <3BAC28D5.715571BA@sheayright.com>

Artemia Salina wrote:

> Muhammad did indeed believe in Jesus as Messiah. Islam is very much
> into forgiveness, charity, and tolerance of other religions. Another
> plus is that there is no equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses in the muslim
> world; they don't feel compelled to proselytize.

Uh, I SHOULD say the BULK of the muslim world.

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