Food

Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 7:59 PM

From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

primate in orbit <primate@inorbit.com> wrote:

> Yeah I wrote this book I was guessing WWW.TRAFFORD.COM is my best bet
> at cheap availability - $1000 to get on charts. It is the best site I
> found so far; Let me know if you know a better way PLEASE. I guess
> SUBGENIUS stuff is self published but I hear it is expensive to self
> publish - PLEASE let me in on some info you SUBGENIUS MASTERS on how
> to get a book copyrighted and publicly available.
>
> PRIMATE@INORBIT.COM

In 1980 I sent the first SubG pamphlet to 150 publishers, almost all
the POSSIBLE ones in the US. I got 100 rejection slips and nothing
else. Until a young newly hire editor at McGraw Hill in NYC was on a
PICNIC with my SISTER IN LAW, and found a pamphlet in the mud on the
floor of the backset of the car.

He made us an offer AND TOLD US TO GET AN AGENT BEFORE WE TOOK HIS
OFFER! (For he was an Honest SubGenius, the late St. Tim McGinnis.) We
got an agent (easy if you already have an offer) and shopped it around
more publishers. 2 others "bid" on it but our friend won.

So McGraw Hill published it in 1983 and it was a total flop.

Then Tim got laid off and hired by Simon & Schuster. He bought the book
from McGraw Hill for $1 (seriously) and reprinted it with the current
bluish cloud cover. It was a success, low but long range sales over
many years.

Then Tim died of cancer suddenly, and it was never the same, never
anywhere NEAR the same. After that it was a fight to get anything to
happen, and finally the Internet came along, which has been a much
friendlier environment for us than gigantic Conspiracy publishing
firms.

We're thinking about iUniverse for reprints of our out of print stuff.

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P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
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From: "palimpsest" <angorw@temple.com.plex>

All hail and praise St. Tim McGinniss - INDEED!!!

Twas McG-Hill's, not St. Tim's fault the tome tombed at the time, yes? Bob
did all he could and more, too. What was it, anyway, one lousy poster for
promotion, sent to 12 Walden'sBooks in Peoria, Yakima, Edina, Younaimanotha,
etc.?

wassup, old-school homies?

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

> Twas McG-Hill's, not St. Tim's fault the tome tombed at the time, yes? Bob
> did all he could and more, too. What was it, anyway, one lousy poster for
> promotion, sent to 12 Walden'sBooks in Peoria, Yakima, Edina, Younaimanotha,
> etc.?

Well, it was that up until that year, McGraw Hill had only published
textbooks.

With THE BOOK OF THE SUBGENIUS, McGraw Hill took their first step into
commercial book publishing as opposed to cranking out textbooks for a
captive audience.

They were about as good at schmoozing show biz Pinks as we were. Not
very good.

Also, in any given office there's somebody who HATES everything they
think the SubGenius stands for, and so there's probably been a small
amount of saboutage committed by do-gooders.

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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>

primate in orbit <primate@inorbit.com> wrote:

The first secret to self-publishing is self-editing. Good luck.

Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

> Also, in any given office there's somebody who HATES everything they
> think the SubGenius stands for, and so there's probably been a small
> amount of saboutage committed by do-gooders.

My theory is that certain Pinks have an almost allergic reaction to the
Dobbshead. They can't tell you why, but it makes them very, very
nervous, and they react badly. We explored this on IRC the other day,
when one of the regulars mentioned having to do computer consulting,
and used a Dobbshead as a test graphic. The guy's client asked why he
HAD to use THAT graphic; he said it was one he knew how to grab easily
enough. Then she said, "I don't like that "Bob" with the pipe" and
refused to say anything else on the matter.

As an experiment, take a piece of blank paper and the 8.5x11 Dobbshead
poster that comes with the membership package. Cover up the left half
and stare at the Dobbshead until you get a firm impression of what
thoughts and emotions it evokes. Then cover the right half and do the
same.

The first time I did this, years ago, I got REALLY CREEPED OUT.

Her Ladyship Lilith

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