Greys vs. MJ12 vs. Earth

From: "John F. Winston" <>

Here is some information that has come my way that sort of ties
things together. Some people think that Mr. Lear is a disinformation
agent but I think he puts out some good stuff.


From: R C
Subject: Greys
John Lear
1414 Hollywood Blvd
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
December 13, 1987
Dear Steven:

It was nice talking to you last night. I have enclosed the Dulce
papers for your information. Also enclosed is a transcript of the
McCampbell conversation with Paul Bennewitz and project Beta. Also
the Gary Stollman statement. What follows is my current hypothesis
formed after my 2 week trip through Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona
talking to various individuals, some Air Force, some Sandia and some
MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a deal with the EBE's
(extra- terrestrial biological entities) or "Greys" around the
period of 1969- 1970-1971. The "deal" was in exchange for technology
that they would provide to us we would ignore the abductions that
were going on. The EBE's assured us that these abductions were
merely ongoing monitoring of developing civilizations: (in fact
these abductions have been for at least 3 purposes: (1) insertion
of a tiny probe about 3 millimeters in size into the brain for
monitoring and programming purposes; (2) post hypnotic suggestion
concerning an important event that will occur in the next 2 to 5
years and giving the subject someplace to go and something to perform
at that time; under our best hypnotic techniques we were unable to
find out when or where or what this event is, and (3) genetic
crossbreeding between the EBE's and humans. In many of the abductee
hypnotic regressions of women with unusual terminated pregnancies
they have been shown these "crossbreeds", usually frail tiny beings
with comparatively large heads, thin skin, very thin arms and legs.
Since we weren't aware of these facts we went along with the
agreement but insisted on a list of the abductees to be submitted
periodically to the National Security Council and MJ-12.

The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is
atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved
in some type of nuclear war or possibly on the back side of a genetic
curve. In order to sustain themselves they use an enzyme or hormonal
secretion obtained from the tongues and throats of cows or humans.
(Note: cows and humans are genetically similar. In event of a
national disaster cow blood can be used by humans). This secretion is
mixed with H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) and another substance and is
either spread on the skin, or the hands are dipped in the solution.
The body then absorbs the mixture and excretes the waste back through
the skin.
The cattle mutilations that were prevalent throughout the period from
1973 to 1983 and publicly noted through newspaper and magazine
stories and included a documentary produced by Linda Howe for the
Denver CBS affiliate were for the collection of these secretions and
other items. The mutilations included genitals taken, rectums cored
out to the colon, eyes missing and the tongue and throat cut with
extreme surgical precision. The incisions were made cutting between
the cells, actually separating molecular structure. This is why no
blood was found at all, yet there was no vascular collapse. This has
also been true in human mutilations, one of the first ones of which
was Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette at the White Sands Missile Test Range
in 1956, who was found three days after an Air Force Major had
witnessed the abduction of Sgt. Louette by a "disk shaped" object
about 0200 one morning. His genitals had been removed, rectum cored
out in a surgically precise "plug" up to the colon, eyes removed and
no blood remaining, with no vascular collapse. From some of the
evidence it is apparent that this surgery is accomplished in most
cases while the victim, animal or human, is still alive. The various
parts are taken to various underground laboratories, one of which is
known to be 2-1/2 miles northwest of the small New Mexico town of
Dulce, 1 Km deep inside the Archuletta Mesa. This jointly occupied
(CIA-Alien) facility has been described as enormous, with huge
tiled halls that "go on forever". Several ink drawings of photos
taken inside the facility were recently released as the "Dulce
Papers". The photos show large vats with pale meat being agitated in
solution. An abductee in regression recalled "large test tubes with
humans in them. I saw a baby in another".
After the initial agreement between MJ-12 and the aliens, Groom
Lake, one of this nation's most secret test centers in Nevada was
closed for a period of 2 years (1972-1973) and a huge underground
facility was constructed for and with the help of the EBE's. The
bargained-for technology was set in place but could only be
operated by the EBE's themselves. Needless to say, the advanced
technology could not be used against the EBE's in case of need.
During the period of 1979 through 1983 it became increasingly obvious
to MJ-12 that things were not going as planned. It became known that
many more people (in the thousands) were being abducted than were
listed on the official abduction list being supplied to the National
Security Council and MJ-12 and that the abductions included much more
that the "simple monitoring of an advancing civilization". In
addition, it became obvious that some, not all, but some of the
nation's missing children had been used for secretions and other
parts required by the aliens.
In 1979, there was an altercation of sorts at the Archuletta
laboratory. Delta Force was called in to try and free a number of
people trapped in the facility who had become aware of what was really
going on. 66 of the soldiers were killed in the effort and our people
were not freed.
By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror of the mistake they had
made in dealing with the EBE's. They had subtly promoted "Close
Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to
"odd-looking" aliens that were compassionate, benevolent, and very
much our "space brothers".
They "sold" the EBE's to the public and were now faced with the fact
that quite the opposite was true. In addition, a plan started in
1968-1969 to make the public aware of the existance of aliens on
Earth over the next 20 years, to be culminated with several
documentaries to be released during the 1985-1987 period of time.
These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the
EBE's. The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans,
hopes, wishes, and dreams of MJ-12 into complete confusion and panic.
Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf
course and lavish sleeping and working quarters built by and
exclusively for the members of MJ-12, it was a factional fight of what
to do now. Part of MJ-12 wanted to confess the whole scheme and
shambles it had become to the public, beg their forgiveness, and ask
for their support. The other half of MJ-12 argued there was no way
they could do that, that the situation was untenable and there was
no use in exciting the public with the "horrible truth" and the best
plan was to continue the development of a weapon that could be used
against the EBE's under the guise of "SDI", the Strategic Defense
Initiative, which had nothing whatever to do with a defense from
Russian nuclear missiles. As these words are being written, Dr.
Teller "father of the H-bomb", is in the test tunnels of the Nevada
Test Site driving his workers and associates in the words of one,
"like a man possessed". And well he should for Dr. Teller was a
member of MJ-12, along with Dr. Kissinger, Bobby Inman and possibly
Admiral Poindexter, to name a few of the current MJ-12.
Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to the
meticulous plan of metered release of information to the public,
several documentaries and videotapes were made. William Moore, a
Burbank, California-based UFO researcher came into possession of a
videotape through his contacts with MJ-12 who had taken a great
interest in Mr. Moore's book, "The Roswell Incident", published in
1980. The book detailed the crash, recovery, and subsequent coverup
of a UFO with 4 alien bodies. They decided to use Moore as one of
several conduits to help in the gradual release of the existance of
aliens to the public. The video Mr. Moore had was an interview by
2 well known newsmen of a military officer associated with MJ-12.
In the interview the military officer answers questions relating to
the history of MJ-12 and the coverup, the recovery of a number of
flying saucers, the existance of a live alien (one of three living
aliens, designated or named EBE1, EBE2, and EBE3) being held in a
facility designated as YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico. The only
other facility of this type is at Edwards Air Force Base in Mojave,
California. The officer named names as previously mentioned plus a
few others: Harold Brown, Richard Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters, and
Von Karmon. The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim
to have created Christ. The EBE's have some sort of recording device
that has recorded all of the Earth's history and can display it in
the form of a hologram. This hologram can be filmed but because of
the way holograms work, it does not come out clearly. The
crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives has allegedly been put
on film to show to the public. The EBE's claim to have created
Christ in view of the "Grand Deception" could be an effort to
disrupt traditional values for undetermined reasons.

John Winston.

Subject: Background Information And Gary Stollman. Dec. 4, 1996.


Another videotape alleged to be in existence is an interview with an
EBE. Since EBE's communicate telepathically, an Air Force Colonel
serves as an interpreter. Just before the recent stock market crash,
several newsmen including Bill Moore had been invited to Los Alamos
to personally film and distribute to the public a similar type
interview. Apparently, because of the market crash, it was felt that
the timing was not propitious.
Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, the first few
pages of which leaked out several years ago and detailed a
supersecret NSA project which has been denied by them until just
recently. The Aquarius Project was the communication with aliens,
specifically the EBE's.
Within the Aquarius Project was Project Snowbird, a project to test
fly a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada.
Moore feels that MJ-12 has been stringing him along, promising to go
public with some of the information on the extraterrestrials for too
long a time. He has made the decision that if MJ-12 does not come
forward with the information and release it publicly by the end of
1987 then he, Moore, will go with "what he's got", i.e. the
videotapes, remainder of the Aquarius documents, and additional
Certain of Moore's statements leads one to believe that Moore himself
is a government agent working for MJ-12, not being strung along,
but stringing along ever hopeful ufologists that the truth is just
around the corner.
1. Moore states emphatically that he is not a government agent,
although when Les Graham (a Southern California-based ufologist) was
investigated by the DIS for documents in his possession received from
Moore, Moore himself was not.
2. Moore states emphatically that the cattle mutilations were a
hoax by Linda Howe to create publicity for herself. He cites the
unobtainable book "Mute Evidence" as the bottom line on the hoax.
3. Moore states that the U.S.A.F. Academy physics book
"Introductory Space Science" Volumn II Chapter 13 titled Unidentified
Flying Objects and describes four of the most commonly seen aliens
(one of which was an EBE) was written by a Lt. Col. and Major who
did not know what they were talking about and were merely citing
"crackpots". He says the book was withdrawn to exise the chapter.
If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the
existence of aliens on Earth because of overwhelming mounting
evidence and taking into consideration the "Grand Deception" and
obvious hostile intentions of the EBE's it might be expedient for
MJ-12 to admit to EBE's but conceal information of the mutilations
and abductions.
If MJ-12 and Moore were in some kind of agreement then it would be
benificial to toe the party line. For example " are some more
genuine documents but remember...don't discuss the mutilations or
abductions". If Moore was indeed working as an agent for MJ-12 he
would follow the party line anyway...pooh poohing the mutilations
and abductions.
Time will tell. It is possible that Moore will go ahead and release
the video interview with the military officer around the first of
the new year.
From MJ-12's point of view the public would be exposed to the
information without really having to believe it because Moore is
not as credible a source as, say, the President of the United
States. After a few months of digestion and discussion a more
credible source could emerge with a statement that yes, in fact,
the interview was essentially fact. This would cushion somewhat
the blow to the public.
If, however, Moore does not release the tape by, say, February 1, but
comes instead with a story similar to: "MJ-12 has informed me they
are definitly planning a total release of all information by
October 1988. I have seen the plan and have seen the guarantees that
this will happen. So I have decided to withhold the issuance of my
videotape at this time as it may cause problems", this would, in
effect, buy more time for MJ-12, and time is what they desperatly
The rest of us have to wonder what the big picture is anyway. Are
the EBE's having done a hundred thousand or more abductions and
built an untold number of underground bases (Groom Lake, Sunspot,
Datil, Pietown, Northern Nevada, Roswell, just to name a few alien
underground bases) getting ready to go back to where they came from?
Or from the obvious preparation are we to assume they are getting
ready for some big move? Or, the most sinister and most probable
situation is that the invasion is essentially complete and
everything is over but the screaming.
A well-planned invasion of Earth for its resources and benefits
would not start with mass landings and a lot of rayguns. A properly
planned and executed invasion by a civilization thousands and
probably hundreds of thousands of years in advance of us would be
complete before only a handful, 12 for instance, would even know.
No muss, no fuss. Here is a list of some of the probable visitors to
Earth from outer space.
The only known home of these visitors is that of the EBE's and which
is Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2, a binary star system visible from the
Southern Hemisphere approximatly 38 light years away with a spectral
class of G2, identical to our Sun.
Three Types of EBE's (Greys)
Grey-1: 3-1/2 ft. tall, large head, large slanted eyes. Worship
technology. Don't give a d--- about mankind.
Grey-2: Same type, different finger arrangement, slightly differ-
ent face. More sophistocated than Grey-1, use common sense, passive.
May not need secretions.
Grey-3: Same basic type. Lips thinner, more subservient to other
two greys.
Blonds, Swedes, Nordics
Known by any of these monikers. Similar to Humans. Blond hair, blue
eyes. Will not break universal law of "non-interference" to help us.
They could only intervene if any Grey activity would have adverse
effect in another part of universe.
Entity that can assume various shapes. Peaceful nature.
Hairy Dwarfs
4 ft. tall, 35 lbs. Extremely strong. Hairy, neutral. Don't try to
hurt intelligent life.
Very Tall Race
Look like humans but 7 or 8 ft. tall. Unit with Blonds.
Humans Appearing Similar to Blonds (seen with Greys)
Drones created by Greys. Child-like mentality.
Men in black. Wear all black. Sunglasses. Very pale skin. Do not
conform to normally accepted patterns. Extremely sensitive to light.
May be a holographic image.
That's all I have for you now except to tell you that Moore has shown
the videotape to 5 well known persons to judge reactions. One of
those persons was Paul Harvey, well known news commentator and
personal friend. Paul says he has seen the evidence but rejects the
content. I talked with him briefly over the telephone the other day
to tell him that the video was essentially true but there was some
very important information that he should be aware of known as the
Grand Deception. I told him that one thing, the story that the EBE's
invented Christ, was probably not true. He said he didn't believe
that part anyway. I told him it was important that he know "the rest
of the story" and that I would be in Chicago in a few weeks to brief
him. He said that I was certainly welcome.
A word about channeling and channelors. Pure, unadulterated c---.
The Greys have created this "Space Brother" nonsense to appeal to a
certain segment of the population who might otherwise dig for real
information. (JW I disagree with that statement.) Steve, I want to
wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and
hope this letter finds everybody in good health.
Best Regards,
(Signed John Lear)
John Lear is William Lear's son (Lear Jets) and works with the
Department of Defense and flys for the CIA from time to time.
Posted by: RIC CARTER <>

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JW Well it appears that they didn't say much about Gary Stollman.

John Winston.

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