In article <nmcnelly-2805951354440001@ppp-82-28.bu.edu>,
nmcnelly@acs.bu.edu (N.A.F. McNelly) wrote:
>
> As for bigger brains, that really doesn't mean too much in terms of
> intelligence. It's the brain size / body size ratio that counts - a
> a large brain is required just to run the motor functions of a
> large body.
Hmm. Then how do you explain dinosaurs? Or General Motors?
> Neanderthals were considerably more robust than present
> day humankind.
Actually, Neanderthals never existed. All the alleged "evidence" of
this supposed predecessor of modern humanity was manufactured by
Con "scientists". The *real* Yeti predecessor was Piltdown Man.
The Con would have you believe that Piltdown Man is the hoax and
Neanderthal Man is real, but it's THE OTHER WAY AROUND!
But what I want to know is, why do they call it "pasteurized
processed cheese food"? I leave it in my refrigerator, and
the cheese never touches the stuff.
--PSW
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Subject: Re: Neanderthal brain size
From: bmyers@ionet.net (TarlaStar)
royalsam@studentr.msu.edu (Bozo Texino) wrote:
>>:that genetic material continues today?
>>
>>Actually, it would be a better argument for us to have some
>>Neanderthal genes if they weren't a completely separate species.
>Oh, let's just say that a superiour bunch of humans branched off but
>looped back early on...
>>
>>If they truly were a separate species, it's unlikely that their genes
>>are present in homo sapiens - one of the defining factors that make two
>>species different is an inability to cross-reproduce sucessfully (I
>>throw in the "sucessfully" because you can get two-species hybrids,
>>like mules, but the hybrids themselves are sterile).
>every time? always?
As far as we know.
>>
>>As for bigger brains, that really doesn't mean too much in terms of
>>intelligence. It's the brain size / body size ratio that counts - a
>>a large brain is required just to run the motor functions of a
>>large body. Neanderthals were considerably more robust than present
>>day humankind.
The average cranial capacity of Neanderthals was around 1600cc's The
average cranial capacity of Sapiens sapiens is around 1300cc's. This
is only the average. There are plenty of living humans with 1600cc
heads and I'm sure there were plenty of 1300cc headed Neanderthals.
Cranial capacity is not necessarily an indicator of intellectual
ability.
>I am afraid that this is incorrect. I say that the Neanderthal was robust
>and mentally superiour.
I'm afraid I believe that if he had been intellectually superior, he
would still be extant.
--
Reverend Mutha Tarla, Little Sisters of the Perpetually Juicy,
A Proud Jism Schism of the Church of the SubGenius, Worshipping
"Connie" Dobbs and Juicy Retardo since 1986
http://www.ionet.net/~bmyers/homepage.html
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From: froggy@praline.no.NeoSoft.com (Carlos May)
Rev. TarlaStar (bmyers@ionet.net) wrote:
: I'm afraid I believe that if he had been intellectually superior, he
: would still be extant.
Pardon? Are you arguing that being intellectually superior is
an evolutionary advantage? ...Perhaps eons ago it might have
been, but since the establishment of the conspiracy, the most
successfull breeders seem to be the "average" or "normal"
ones.
NeanderFrog
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From: nmcnelly@acs.bu.edu (N.A.F. McNelly)
I don't quite understand what you're saying here - If it's that
Neanderthals branched off but were never diverged enough to constitute a
completely separate species, then we could easily have genes that
originated in Neanderthals (in fact we'd be part Neanderthal). I don't
have any problem with this, but it's a source of contention for some
folks at the moment.
:>If they truly were a separate species, it's unlikely that their genes
:>are present in homo sapiens - one of the defining factors that make two
:>species different is an inability to cross-reproduce sucessfully (I
:>throw in the "sucessfully" because you can get two-species hybrids,
:>like mules, but the hybrids themselves are sterile).
:
:every time? always?
The execptions are cases where the hybrid mutates, doubles the number of its
chromsomes and becomes quadraploid (this results in a fertile hybrid for
reasons I won't go into here). At least one new species of grass formed
in this way - there may be a lot of other instances yet undiscovered.
But Homo sapiens isn't quadraploid. (Again, if Neanderthals were never
a distinct species, the problem evaporates).
Nancy
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